I Got Rejected By A 22-Year Old CEO
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2020
- Alexandr Wang, Scale AI's CEO on Bloomberg: • Scale AI's 22-Year Old...
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Sorry for ghosting
Lucy Guo so do you have any updates on my application? Let me know if there’s any action items for me. Best, Joma.
@@jomakaze Quit and start a company instead and maybe I'll fund it ;)
@@jomakaze Are you Gay?
@@jomakaze hahaha Lucy finally replied :-p
So, is that a no on the coffee?
joma's tinder message 😂
Joma is funny as hell!
Jobs before relationship very ncc
dude you're everywhere lol
elliot alderson?
Very smooth message
It is pretty lame how companies can make you do free work for them, make you sit through a cringy interview answering their stupid brainteasers, and then ghost you.
Exactly.
Only because people are willing to go through it. We are our own worst enemy in pretty much every context or setting.
If a company asks you to make a project for them before you are hired, I would tell them to fuck off!
They should either ask you to write code for a generic problem or ask you to read through code and describe what the code does.
Damn, it was what happened to Joma.
It has never happened to me but It must suck
SoKool lo
This is why I would never work for a startup. "Many hats" is codeword for we need someone we can take advantage of doing work equivalent to multiple roles while paying them like they only work one.
Hello fellow yeagerist
@@gabriellsh 3.hours a day. That's nice ? Or is it
that's how it is in the beginning until they grow and hire more people. I love working for a startup. The benefits can't be beat.
@@ericmharper Agree 100%.
Why are people bashing so much against startups & companies under this video? It's a bit sad
And that's how you lose your chance to be an unique and independent personality. You will never be recognised for your work again and everything you work on will go to the credits of a nicely paying company.
“I’ll try to remember something I learned from one of Joma’s videos during the final”
My mind during the final:
“Baby cow, Baby cow, Baby cow, Mama cow”
hahahaahhaha
Same to you😂
Huh?
😂 😂
"My Bias"
"Even his name sounds like a startup." 😂
it's actually a famous fashion brand haha
alexandr wang ... sounds like a fancy fashion brand
Made me choke ngl
@@lubeckable funny thing is.... Alexander Wang the fashion designer is also from San Francisco
That's the top comment of the bloomberg video from five months ago, joma stole it
We are delighted to see our cheat sheet included in your preparation strategy.
Aye intellipaat!
U r here too 😅...
Big fan of you!😎
what is the timestamp?
NEVER EVER send code of the interview project to a potential employer, unless it's snippets of code u done before... Some companies actually take your code and ghost u, if they are that interested in seeing your solution ask for a zoom call and u can demonstrate it, if they get bitchy about it, u ghost them and watch how quickly they wanna get back to u as u probably can do the code
So in a nutshell they're kinda like Thomas Edison?
It happened with me i shared my code later they kick me out and paid nthg
It's better to not give such an interview altogether and avoid working for such a bad organization, because if you do then you'll probably regret after being hired as well
Will keep in mind! Thank you.
Completely illegal btw though they usually get away with it since sueing over it is rarely worth it.
Guys I’m not salty, I’m sweet :3
But for real, I think this company is super promising. Most FANG company have their own in-house system for hiring labelers, and I know that it’s extremely valuable for any ML team. Getting trusted, reliable and cost effective labeled data is not easy for smaller companies. I actually feel honored that I even got to interview for them in the super early stages.
did techlead applied for it too?
Is this video another attempt... 😉
I like your McDonald's hat, seems like you've made it pretty far. Also, can I have one Big Mac and a large coke?
Sweat
so wait? so what's the real china? america or china? so chinese american writes software? and chinese chinese writes software? whose the real chinese? LOLs.
Honestly in shock you still have... everything.
shocking 😱
Joma prefers MEN
MEN Stack, I mean
Hey Jona, you don't need Lucy Guo. You got us. :)
Lmao Scale AI is useless this is common thing in China, data farms.
Applied for a job at UPS a while back and at least they were kind enough to reject me with an email. Small companies, It’s not hard to email 5 words to candidates
“The position has been filled”
It definitely seems like they were fishing for free sample implementations of their basic framework to see different technical directions it could go. Cool approach, but you should be paying people to do that. Asking people to do it for free leads me to to believe you might treat future ethical matters with a total lack of ethics. This is a red flag especially in a machine learning company outsourcing labor, lots of ethical areas where you can violate privacy and take advantage of workers. The founders have shown questionable ethics from the start, so I certainly won't be choosing their service now.
Well. a lot of companies organize so called hackathons... :/
@@h3xandcoffee993 Yep, ABC, Always Be Cynical
geez man take a chill pill
@@gcg8187 no.
unfortunately, a lot of people does choose them, now he's a billionaire🥲😮💨
Leaving him without the respond was disrespectful. This shows how the company treats people, makes me sick of them. It`s not all about money, afterall don`t forget the courtesy.
Companies are looking to hire stacks of employees. Yes, they could respond on every one of them, and that is often proven to do more harm than good. People often start asking questions "Why wasn't I hired" and demand the company to hire them or even sue them because they think they didnt hire them for other unfair reasons. By just ghosting them, its just less effort from every side. Dont look it from just one perspective. A company is made out of humans too and they too have their concerns and they also like to look nice, but sometimes being nice is just not worth the shit you'll eat.
apostolis anastasiou hope you are not Alexandr lol
@@longphan9194yeuem hehe. Nah I've been ghosted from a dozens of companies too :P Its frustrating, but nothing is perfect. Everything comes with a cost.
@@exapsy My main studies are psychology. And I once read a book writen by a couple of US doctors, The book was titlted Snakes in Suits : When Psychopaths go to work. Its a book about corporate mentality. Nowadays that is called sociopathy by researchers and ghosting is a prevalent method/tactic they used by sociopaths with the rise of internet communications and social media. I am not in the mood for details but you guys are better off not working for people like these.
@@hungrygrimalkin5610 I can agree. But since you're studying psychology you must also know that sociopathy is not something all people dont have. We all have it at times, we all behave sociopathically especially at people we dont know.
Best example is TV Shows that show non-actors and people start wishing their death without them even trying to empathize with them and see how they feel. Another example is politicians or rich people. We never try to empathize with rich people or with politicians, and we always wish the worst for them. Or the worst to people we hate. This is by definition sociopathic behavior. It's not something new, its not a mental disorder that only "dangerous people" have. We're all dangerous in our own ways. Just saying "they're sociopathic stay away from them" is a dangerous unprofessional way to behave as a student in psychology who'll sometime become a professional. It's not a logical argument, it's an emotional one.
The ghosting by employers... It really shows a lack of maturity. Seems pretty rampant in the industry, also.
Companies don't have to go into specifics and incur liability, but getting back to candidates in a timely manner should happen every time.
Ghosting is a dimension of sociopathy. Be happy they do not want you. It would get worse after hiring.
@@silentgrove7670 Yes , he better not lose his time with people who can't even respond to a message because they did not want to hire you .
Companies don't really care about you even after they hire you, can't expect they do before 🤷🏼♀️
Don't employers always ghost.
The industry is having its time. Eventually human EQ will have to be used as they become obsolete and has beens.
Joma you were solicited for work,it wasn’t a test,this happens a lot,the point of tests is to asses someone’s ability,the reason they said in the beginning not to share with anyone is so that they don’t get caught publicly with this.Dont beat up yourself over it.It was messed up of them.
Reminds me of an interview I had with a company that was in downtown San Francisco. They said we are working with the public, and they are not out there for profit first. Basically trying to justify paying their employees less (I saw the starting salary..about 30% than others were giving for a similar starting position). So they don't want to give competitive salaries, but they want their building to be in San Francisco, and their employees to live in the bay area. Talk about disaster; they probably have to rehire all the time because I'm sure people aren't staying with them for very long.
I feel identified with you. I had an interview that they sent me to carry out a project, the application works well and passed the tests, I never had a feedback and they didn't say thank you, that experience taught me not to carry out more projects for startups or any small business anymore. joma you are awesome guy, thank you for sharing your experience
You just worked for them, for free.
Would you say this only applies to small businesses and start ups? Are carry out projects more reliable when you do it for big companies?
@@xaznranmarux "Are carry out projects more reliable when you do it for big companies?" in my experience, yes
@@khai96x I saw that they had the same number of employees on linkedin when they did the process and then, I think they didn't hire anyone or not
yeah, never do work like this for an interview . just shows whoever you are going to work for doesn't know what they're doing if they think this is a good way to hire people
Now this is the content for which I subscribed. You are a fantastic software engineer. This episode truly has the charm to bring your views closer to you. Keep up the good work, Joma!
Scale AI didn't even interview me and straight up sent me a rejection email after I applied lol.
Wow! So sorry about that. It's good to know with this kind of stuff. Bless your heart.
My takeaway from this video:
Baby cow
Baby cow
Baby cow
Mama cow
There are no baby cows, those r calves
Nani
@@nisonatic I was going to type it
i honestly love the way he says "Cow" XDDD
lmao
They probably wanted to set you as an unpaid intern... usually when someone presents two options and one is clearly the unfavorable one that is the option they wanted you to take.
ughghhhhh
What about that hard leetcode question though? That is seriously a wtf.. a tiny start-up asking hard leetcode questions together with a take home project is a no gone zone for me
@@theenigma1109 Can I ask what is so hard about that leetcode question? Because to me it seems like a pretty simple exercise. It's one thing to be asked to implement it in the most efficient manner, but that was just asking to implement it.
@@KingGorrinoIt felt ridiculous bc they need a software engineer, and he literally just implemented part of the software for them, if that doesn't pass the qualification, then it felt like a setup where they don't want to pay you for the full price, and just have you do part of the job for free.
I love your humbleness!!! (to the extent that you're making it public being rejected by a startup and making some fun out of it) man... if you got rejected i have no chance at all xD .. you're great n_n
Just recently read an article of companies getting annoyed that applicants they hired don't even show up on the first day of work. A company quoted "They ghosted us for a better opportunity." Karma is sweet.
Just kidding. He was 19 when he interviewed me 😂😂
Lol
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats."
Ah yeah so that means we are cheap and lazy, you have to do everything but we won't pay you more money for it.
dang
You’d get pretty good equity and stock options though, and they pay above market for Bay Area tech I believe
Lol no, it means there is limited budget and the first few employees are going to need to cover multiple roles.
Your comment applies to larger companies using that statement, in start ups it’s a very real situation
@@sbdxaric most startup fail so you get equity and stock options on something that doesn't have value... it's like playing poker. In the Bay Area they pay above market because a room rents for 2k a month...
Yeah but it also means your job isn't gay and boring
"It was a great interview. Very nice. We will call you latter"
It passed 30 years from that day...
I bet they didn't thought it would be a story on youtube with 2 million + views.
Must be really proud of themselves, able to snatch a free code on top of a hundreds of million funding, Thanks for the share Joma, now we know.
Damn this should be your new series. Rejections from start-ups that made it. :)
"As a startup, we look for someone who can wear many hats."
Very poor choice of words in a community that deals with coding and programming. Do you mean you want to hire someone who can wear White, Grey, and Black hats and switch said hats when it's convenient?
Someone who can code, cook, clean the dishes, do some 3-D design, SFX editor, able to repair the clogged toilet, drive the CEO's kids back to home and clean his feet
@@stabberandomcontent6691
I know you're joking, but I wonder how many unfortunate bastards actually have to do all that stuff.
Yes... suspicious
@@stabberandomcontent6691 you forget coffee...
a green hat obviously c;(search the meaning!)
Leak their code unless you agreed to not do it. Actually that's an interesting thing to look out for they didn't want you to share the code with anybody which shows that it might actually be confidential information directly related to what they are building
had me in tears dude well done, you're funny as hell
This was an amazing flex, and I'm a bigger Joma fan now.
Love the content and editing for this one video. One of the best I’ve seen from you ;)
"They wanted me to use the MEAN stack, but I ended up using the MEN stack instead 😂
Scale is going to have to pivot soon given that their entire business model is based on providing data sets for training models. A study out of Waterloo about LO-shot learning is gonna change the game.
This is HILARIOUS! Only seen your interviews before, and this is comedy gold.
you probably just solved their problem and end up not needing you for their own benefits lol
Well he was also interviewed so
Yep, just use people for free labor.
@@triton62674 lol so what call you in for an interview doesn't mean 100% hire rate
Yup that tend to happen
Bro never realised he was talking to future billionaire😂
That "day in the life of a startup employee" was hilarious.
"Are you gay ?lmao"
Joma:"Im single"
Dude this video is epic! I was laughing my ass off! I have a friend that worked at scale so this hits close to home.
@@yguc9342 cause he made funny jokes throughout.
wrrr
"even his name sound like a start-up" bombaclaat that killed me bro🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I was expecting that at the end you found out that they used your solution for this coding challenge in their production :)
She probably did.
Can you do more of this? Really help us prepare the interview.
You are funny Joma. Keep up the great content!
I started to follow this channel to learn coding and I continue for laughing. Amazing humor!
Anyone who watched this video completely could never go without liking it. Its lit af.
When you realize there are people who are younger than you but more powerful than you
"Even his name looks like a start up" lol
2:05 when he wore a different hat to fit the reference I just lost it
I was about to say.. "No ones going to talk about him wearing the McDonalds hat"? lol
just wanted to drop in and say I love your channel. thanks for making tech humorous
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, you're awesome! I was coding something when i found your YTchannel. You got a new sub! Cheers from México :D
His name is probably spelled like that because his parents thought: "AlexanDoctor"
lmfao
Joma: Prefers MEN stack instead of MEAN
The Question: Are you gay?
why are you gue?
Joma: *Agrees in silence* I'm single... *not answering the question*
@@rodrickee the pasta is watching
Yes, he is.
I just love his sense of Humor!! Too good!
1:37 that screen and wallpaper is amazing
The Editor AMVs a true weeb :)
@@dontcallmedzun3425 I didn't feel much watching the movie, but visuals were stunning.
The only time I had a hole in the heart was after "your lie in April"
@@user-vi3pi9rf7w give "A Silent Voice" a watch. It will leave a hole forever
@@vik4975 I was literally going to mention that in my previous comment but thought - it's fine, I don't need tell how much of baby I am. But I really felt that movie to the bones, every single scene such as when he runs through hospital confused only to meet her on the bridge and kinda confession, man that shit is crazy
"I want to eat your pancreas" also has some shitty plot.
"Are you gay?"
Joma: *clicks broken* I'm single..
BRUH 😂
"what's popping guys?! This is day in a life of a startup employee. And there is me coding,
heheheheh"
bro that was so funny hahahahahahahhahahahaa u got the whole squad laughing omg
I've done more than 200 job interviews. I've held more than 500 job interviews. Cool engineer or not, 19 year olds rarely know shit about shit. On the strength of what I have seen you complete here in terms of coding know-how, sense of humour, creativity, work ethic and digital marketing success, I would offer you a job without an interview if I had a suitable position. Furthermore, all over the world, HR tends to be irrational low IQ resource wasting shit, its just that nobody appears to have noticed yet.
I totally agree with you. Sometimes I think after the initial screening steps candidate selection is almost random.
Most of the HRs that interview me aren't even qualified to be my employee. For that matter, 99% of the people in the corporate sector are big babies with nothing to show for decades of their work experience
That 19 year old is pretty damn impressive tho. He's 25 now and his company worth 7 billion.
@@buingocthientan7479 so? It doesn't mean that he is good at HR, or that he is polite, or that every singe decision is a good one. Wealth is one measure. He is filthy rich? Great. Congrats. He is a genius at AI and that is an area which is extremely valuable. My statement that "19 year olds rarely know shit about shit" is a harsh but reasonable statement. The entire IT approach to recruitment is amateurish, inconsistent, and ironically considering the industry, largely illogical. Hard work and intelligence are essential but there is still all of the erratic factors such as location, time, connections, and random other factors. You can understand this even better than me. From your name you have a Viet heritage? My experience of Vietnamese students is that they are among the hardest working, and most brilliant I have ever met.
And to think that some HR LinkedIn think that their job is really important.
If I can mention the most useless dept I would definitely said HR.
I always laughed when interviewer gave me some task to do at home ;) These times the recuritment tasks requires many hours to resolve due to their complexity. No one pays you for your time plus even if done correctly, you do not have quarantee to get hired. I got situation once when the company gave me feedback "the solution does not satisfy us". When I tried to get more detailed explanation they simply cut off the entire communcation ^^. I consulted that task with a few friends including senior software engineers and each of them said that task definately had been done correctly. Neverthless tasks do not show the value of candidate.
As someone who's part of the other side of the interview process, I've read dozens of homework assignments that took anywhere from 2h to 2-3 days. The thing is that my company does the real interview only after the home assignment is reviewed, which is super weird. I protested many times to this approach, because it asks candidates for a lot of their time, when it's not yet clear that they'd be even a close fit to the role. I've reviewed pretty shit code that seems to have been written by someone who did literally their 2nd project ever, and we require someone who can program robots from scratch.
But all my protests fell on deaf ears, and I got snarky attitudes like "if the candidate is serious about joining, they'll spend that time, it's a filter". I'm like WTF do you think you are? There are a myriad of companies out there. This entitlement is killing me.
Anyway, I'm lining up for a few offers elsewhere, so I'll probably quit within the next few days. It has been quite a toxic experience, and a good learning experience - learning what things are actually red flags to watch out for next time.
@@napillnik
Good luck! 👌
@@napillnik I hope you found better place now Donnie. As a job-seeker, it is very frustrating too have to complete test left alone test that only had 24 hours to complete or second test "just to make sure" from the bigger boss. And I'm stuck in that situation now. But knowing that some recruiter do care like you, make me feel better!
Yeah, they should pay for the interview time. Especially when the amount of work required for the interview takes that's long.
The "Are you gay ? " question exists.
Me: I'm straight.
Joma: I'm single.
Why is this even a question? So stupid.
I watched this before becoming a computer science student, and now 3 years later, watching this for the second time, this is gold.
I am a new sub. I absolutely ❤ your humor in your videos
The title should be more like "how I got ghosted by a 19 year old"
😂😂😂
Love you Joma 💙
That's the plot twist haha
I’m 27 and this CEO makes me feel bad
He was probably pushed by his parrents to commit to it. We all live different lives, feeling imposter about it just makes things worse. Focus on things you can change, not what you can't change and you'll feel much happier. Love
@@Adam-cn5ib Naw don't forget our parents are asian. Mine cut me off lol.
@@guoforit so where does the money initially comes from?
@@Adam-cn5ib That's not correct. His parents were against this.
@@guoforit Do you have a blog? i'm curious about your journey
1:30 , "Even his name looks like a startup " got me laughing my ass off )
Joma was desperate for job at the time lol. She sent him an email at 11:00, Joma replied at 11:01.
I dont think so...Joma looks like an exciteable type of guy ...an A type personality ....a lets get it done now type of guy...he comes across like a guy who will respond your emails and messages....like he got the ettiqute protocol on point ....big ups to him...
Damn that is the ultimate insult you can receive as a developer!
that sounds like one of the classic question out of 'cracking the code interview' book. Don't remember it exactly how to do it, probably need something like a min-heap and a max-heap. It has been quite a while since I had to practice any interview questions. Feeling pretty rusty
That's exactly how you do it, did it for my algorithm class two years ago.
Hey Joma, I really like your videos, finally I'm gonna subscribe😅
I think what they wanted was to you build an object detection model using OpenCV or YOLO, which automatically draws boxes around cows or anything else in picture.
Sounds like they wanted him to work for them for free.
True i hate it
Plot twist:
Alexandr took TechLead
How many lines of code was that project of yours? I’m not a frontend guy myself so it looked fairly advanced, seemed significant for a take-home interview assignment
ghosting feels worse than just rejection, this shit makes you go through all stages of denial and it's exhausting af
"No hard feelings, I'd ghost myself too."
Same, man
Cmon, go ALL IN on Porndora, it's a guaranteed multi BILLION DOLLAR startup.
www.indiegogo.com/projects/porndora-the-pandora-of-porn#/
true breh.
0:27, that desktop background, Kimi no na wa :D
The permission file is called "key-to-her-heart" xD
How are you single and still got the "keys-to-her-heart"? You better get over it my dude.
Thank you Joma for introducing me to Blackpink 3 weeks ago. When I first saw the picture at 4:44 I immediately noticed Jisoo and was blown away by her beauty.
OMG why did you turn me into a Jisoo simp? It's been a few months and I'm still suffering from her beauty. Holy shit!
@@gevorghunanyan3515 Lmao Same here bro, Now I listen to their songs too.
@@siddhantsinghnegi9608 I'm their biggest fan already
This might be your best video, love it.
5:27 Legend says waldo hasn't been found yet
Funny thing, i was rejected from a full time interview too, not gonna lie was a big hit to my confidence,
then got freelancing jobs which pays me double the amount in lesser and flexible time.
Lucy Guo: "Great work on the take home."
Also Lucy Guo: "your code looks more intern than full-time worthy"
*Ouch
Well, I've got a dozen of insincere answers from companies I've applied when I was younger and only some have actually answered sincerely in a follow-up when I specifically asked for more feedback. Those kind of answers may hurt but they are worth a lot.
wrgg, nos uch thing as ouch or judge or intern or worth or etc, cepuxuax, outx any nmw s perfx
Love you Joma keep it up ✌🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
thanks man, your videos help me in my tough time
That Jarvis Impression was spot on and everyone missed it.
when?
2:04 I love the little touch with the macdonald's hat =)
Saying yes is powerful but sometimes Saying no is more powerful
Startups use experienced engineers to do their jobs via interviews, I got tricked few times.
They literally made him create an entire product which they then used to build their company. This is appalling.
This guy has mastered the zen of doing petty things in funny ways. love it!
Thanks for your videos man. you're funny and inspiring at the same time. lol
I find it rude when a potential employer does not give the result of the interview and you have to guess from the silence. It would take them a minute to just write a short email saying the application was not successful. Even more so after you spent some time on their assignment.
Your web app looks smart and I love it!!
We did too!
@@guoforit Then why did you ghost him? Still no explanation... So lame
Update : this guys is the youngest billionaire now
You can now charge the company some market Ad fee😂 I haven’t heard of the company
You are so good at coding I wish my brain can understand something about it :)
Mr. Andrew Wang just became a 25 year old billionare. These people are super amazing and I want to work with them very soon.
a billionare with tons of super underpaid workers :)