A New Practical Miniature in The Mandalorian!
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- The Mandalorian continues the tradition of using classic Star Wars techniques to bring its world to life. This time, the show introduced a new practical starship, raising the bar from the practical Razor Crest last season!
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Confirmed! This was a model, and a five foot long one at that.
is there any photos of the model?
@@NahsFX yes watch Disney's Gallery season 2 episode 1.
Holyshit thats long
@@ChupeTTe Eh these filming models tend to be pretty large. For some examples from Star Trek, the original Enterprise model from TOS was 11 feet long, while the version used for movies 1-6 was 8 feet long. The larger of the two Enterprise-D models for TNG was 6 feet long, which is about the same as the Reliant from Wrath of Khan. The Enterprise-E from First Contact went way up to 10.5 feet, while the larger of the two Bird-of-Prey models was 3 feet long and 3.3 feet wide.
That thing’s almost as long as I am tall!
*Ok, but no-one can deny that THIS Cruiser...*
*This Cruiser is a BEAUTY*
100% agree. The Imperial Arquitens is just such a simple and solid design, sort of a mixture between brutalism and utilitarianism.
It and the Gozanti are my favorite canon imperial ships, and to see them in live action with all the detail that entails is amazing.
It's no surprise that Thrawn would revere the Arquitens ; it was a solid design from Kuat, even way back during the Clone Wars, and fits right into his Doctrine of smaller, more versatile & efficient ships.
Plus... YEAH, SHE'S A BEAUT'.
At first I thought the ship was meh at most seeing it in action only in the clone wars and rebels. It just got dwarfed by a lot of things it's a bit pathetic even. But here, they really put things to scale
@@rightsideup6304 tbh The Clone Wars is a cartoon, far from a realistic depiction of all of the ships' capabilities or armament. I mean, who knew the Arquitens had Orbital turbolasers ? TCW was mostly written to have cartoon-episode beats, to build tension by destroying small ships first, while the Venators suffered some damage but soldiered through the space battles. Here, though, in The Mandalorian, this cruiser is one of the biggest, meanest things we've seen - and it punches.
I would love to see it become Mando's new clan home, start the process towards taking back Mandalore.
The crane walkers in Chapter 15 were stop-motion.
thats awesome
That's so cool
I thought some of this stuff looked stop-motion
God that makes me so happy
@@evolvedturtleproductions7600 same
This has to be the first time where Arquitens cruiser looks intimidating, because in other stories (such as Rebels) Arquitens cruiser is depicted more as a "cannon fodder" imperial ship.
RIGHT?! The first thing I said when I saw this light cruiser was "holy shit...that looks wayyy scarier than the explosion-prone ship we saw in rebels"
They did the same thing to AT-STs, TIE Fighters, and Stormtroopers, which is a detail I absolutely appreciate.
I feel like this is a larger variant of the Arquitens. Similar design, scaled up.
@@millenniumf1138 Stormtroopers ehhh, they do tend to get mowed down everywhere
@@darkswords4 They do, but whereas in the original films I felt no real threat to the protagonists, especially by Return of the Jedi, in Mandalorian I feel that there's a good chance for these guys to potentially hurt the good guys.
Lmao i saw the shots of the cruiser and thought “damn, that’s good cgi.” We’ve gone full circle.
Exactly what I thought. Nice that not everything is cgi. I like how they use real models instead of cgi models for the ships
@@spidey8761 scrap walker crane was stop motion !
Seriously? You thought for a second that obvious model was CGI? I love the use of models, but hate it when it's too obvious that it is a scaled model like in this case. I just don't buy I'mlooking at a huge ship. I'd rather have a well done CGI model for this specific case (like the stardestroyers from Rogue One, that mimic the lighting of classic models).
We haven't come full circle yet ... they still capture real actors on screen instead of photoreal digital people.
@@pwnmeisterage
Isn't that what motion capture is?
Imagine if maybe, just maybe, we get the Chimera done in this treatment.
CG or model this is just as impressive either way.
They made an Arquitens Class look buff. Damn.
I just noticed you can see TIEs in the hanger between the prongs
Thats not a tie hangar??
@@lol-un6nl It is, on this one anyways. We’ve always known Arquitens could carry TIEs between the prongs
@@sirboomsalot4902 I know arquitens could dock a shuttle, but I've never heard of them carrying ties
@@lol-un6nl czcams.com/video/z5XI1FOLb4k/video.html Here’s a scene showing an Arquetines deploying three TIE Intercepters
@@sirboomsalot4902 interceptors are a lot smaller than regular ties, and they too were docked inside the fork, there is no actual real time hangar on a light cruiser, just docking ports
As a wise director said. “Oh it’s Beautiful.”
As a weird texan engineer said. " *YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE* "
@@NexusDex why am I seeing so many TF2 references in Star Wars videos lately? xD
@@ssssssssssssssssss50 Dunno but the tf2 fanbase is as crazy as the star wars fanbase! And i Take it that you know Dr.Lalve?!
@@NexusDex first I've heard if him/her. What's up with that Doc?
@@revolverswitch He/she has be initiated!
Okay, now you have to do an in-depth breakdown on this new Arquitens variant. It's clearly not a typical Arquitens, with the three distinct internal hangar spaces, revised armament, extra engines and seemingly more spacious bridge structure. This ship deserves a full breakdown. For now let's call it an Arquitens-II or Thunderwasp type. We don't know much about the Thunderwasp other than it had internal hangar spaces, but this comes at the cost of cargo transport at the very least. I think Moff Gideon's flagship might be a bit bigger than a typical Arquitens, or at least the bridge structure is roomier.
The Mandalorian is a gift that keeps on giving.
*EC Henry uploads a star wars video*
Padmé Amidala: Something wonderful has happened. Ani, EC Henry uploaded a new star wars video.
Anakin Skywalker: That's... That's wonderful.
It’s kind of ironic that perfect things looks less real than imperfect things do
Perfection is in the imperfections.
Maybe, but it’s all about how real objects are never quite perfect, there’s always a tiny dent, a bit of gunk, or a seam line somewhere.
Living near a large shipyard I see a lot of finished and half-finished ships passing less than 50 feet from my house, and I can confirm that even the most expensive luxury yachts (like Steve Jobs' "Venus" which was built here) aren't perfectly straight up close up.
Makes me think of what Agent Smith tells Morpheous about humans rejecting a version of the matrix that was too perfect.
@@BLAZE084 until the uncanny valley kicks in.
The Arquitens is my favorite Star Wars ship of all time... I was so happy to see it on-screen!
Me too!
It’s definitely in my top 10 list.
Same with the relatively new Gonzanti class.
@@lucajohnen6719 Fun fact, the Gozanti first appeared in The Phantom Menace. Look in the background of the shot when Qui-Gon, Padme, and Jar Jar enter Mos Espa for the first time (yes, the infamous stepping in shit scene) and you'll see an older-style Gozanti taking off. Doesn't have the "wing" that the Imperial model has, but it's a Gozanti all the same.
@@VegetaLF7 Wtf, I would have never noticed. Was it already named back then or did somebody just create an unnamed background ship and it got later turned into the Gozanti?
Only EC Henry could have noticed this so quickly.
EC Henry "the imperfections....the beautiful, beautiful imperfections!!"
You can’t just sum up EC Henry and yet you did
not even 3 full min, and yet this is still by far my favorite youtube channel. I drop everything to watch these just like an episode of the Mandalorian.
It's the camera angle and engine lights that convince me. Looks very much like a Red Dwarf exterior shot from the first few seasons.
Yeah. The camera never pushes flat against the hull or twists and turns like you can with camera angles on CG models. Also, the lighting on the model is very... pinpoint-sourced? IDK the term, but it's not nearly as diffuse like lighting on most CG models.
Doesn't mean it's actually a model, but all the same techniques used for physical models were used in this shot.
I suspect it's both. Build a practical model and then use a combination of LIDAR scanning and photogrammetry to digitalise it.
That way you get the directoral flexibility of a digital model with the hand-crafting and texture of a physical one.
Ridiculous. There's no LIDAR/photogrammetry that's going to capture a part of the ship slightly suspended by glue - even if they could digitize the model perfectly, it would be incredibly pointless to waste money on building a practical model to make a digital model that looks real, when it would be cheaper, easier and quicker to add imperfections to a digital model or just use the practical model.
0:15 - To be fair, it's pretty easy to get that "real" look in CG, they just don't do it because it's not the style of current SciFi. We saw it in Rogue One with those star destroyers. The thing here is that they haven't gotten the contrast right since it's using studio lights instead of- well- the sun (or a light in digital space with a magnitude like that of the sun). It gives it a very soft and "touchable" look, similar to shooting log and not correcting the contrast there. (These are all good things for this look and I'm not saying they messed anything up)
Edit: my point in this is that most of what sells the realism of how something looks is the lighting. The shader you would use to make this in CG would be so basic, you could almost use the default clay shaders used in most editors.
AND using real models is only good if the rest of your visual style fits with real assets. You don't want everything to look clean and scale and then have one spaceship somehow have giant finger prints and dust particles on the glass because the real model is 3 feet long. Star Wars is fantastic because it's built on physical models so all of this stuff looks incredible!
Thankyou! I appreciate the use of a miniature, but to say that can't be done in CGI is disingenuous. Adding in flaws and imperfections is a key part of good CGI, it just isn't always done so well.
@@zeealpal I agree entirely. I don’t think any one tool is best when it comes to this stuff. I could create that shot from scratch in a day in CG. The best tool is the one that lets you express the story and art-style you intend to. Star Wars using models is just plane cool because it’s an homage to the originals. If we see the imperfections of physical models and get our immersion ruined a little, it’s not going to take away from the story because it’s freaking Star Wars! That’s the visual style! I just got the impression that this video was trying to say that real models are inherently better for film making- like it would be worse quality if they didn’t use models- which is disagree with.
I feel you.
Now what _I_ would like to see is a frickin' *blu-ray* release of The Mandalorian - *_and_* the final season of the Clone Wars! Damn you to hell, Disney+!
🙏 Plus, a release of the Mandalorian OST!
'making of' video of the aquitens on the blu-ray, now that would be a reason to buy one~
Yeah, I'm not paying for Disney+ but I'll buy the Mandalorian.
I'm a CGI artist and if this is a CG model, someone has put more effort in it to make it look like a perfect representation of a practical model, than it is to simply build it with styrene and 3d printed parts. Love it.
Confirmed!
You absolutely nailed it Sir!
We will surely find out when Season 2 of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian releases on Christmas Day.
ILM just showed photos of the model on Twitter
Glad that physical models are not dead. They’re just resting for another time to show up.
I'm surprised that practical effects haven't enjoyed a renaissance lately, especially when you consider how inexpensive rapid prototyping and 3d printing has become.
My first thought, too, when I saw the light Cruiser. A practical effect. 100% sure!
You got your wish, they showed so many details in the Mando BTS for season 2
Great! Now I want a scale model of that cruiser.
Well well well look old skool skills shows you can’t beat the old ways
Well done honestly we need to return to this
I saw something awhile back that said when Feloni and Favaro got the go ahead for the Mandalorian, they went to ILM and told them they practical models for the main ships, just like the original trilogy, and they wanted a range of them to choose from. Whoever was telling the story said that most people got EXTREMELY excited and, in his words “many a home workshop was dusted off to make prototype ships, as people would work one some at work, then go home and worked to create ones for other ideas.
Can’t remember where I read or saw this
I see that Gideon's ship is larger than the standard Arquintens, cause this one has a hanger bay.
Maybe just modded? Had insides gutted out for hangar. There did exist light cruisers with little hangars (the command cruiser variant, i think)
It would be so awesome if you did a language video on the tusken raiders. They are so fascinating!
I’d just love a miniature to have on my desk. Seriously the light cruiser has been among my favourite Star Wars ships since I first saw it in the clone wars and I feel that it’s so underrated.
Whee! Arquitens-class is now part of the live action Imperial Starfleet!
My respect for the show just jumped up a notch
Seeing these models gives me some movie vibes of EP. 4, 5, and 6!!!
MOST DEFINITELY enjoyed watching this one.
Your video’s are my favourite to see in my subscription box.
They show the model on the Disney Gallery behind the scenes for making of season 2, it's on Disney+
first, practical modeling should be recognized worldwide as true craftmanship and an form of art. its a shame most of the movie props collect dust in some cardboard box, and not being displayed in some museum of movie art.
I am a new subscriber, and LOVE all your work EC Henry. Many cudo’s and congrats and thanks for your hard work and attention to detail! I look forward to seeing more and more of your videos and short movies. Keep up the excellent work! You have a dedicated fan in me!
The Orville are using miniatures and the sense of "realism" really does shine through when its a physical object.
two things I could remember in Mandalorian that broke immersion a little too much was the Mon Calamari hands and the frog baby in the bowl.
you can tell the teams working on this show have a deep love and care for star wars. really hope the movies can get to this point again
I think what really gives this away is that second camera angle; it's very akin to the opening Star Destroyer in Return of the Jedi and shots of the Nostromo from Alien, it was shot like an actual suspended object.
As someone who models in plastic, that's not paint clumping at the corners, that's what happens when you slice styrene with an eXacto knife! I can't believe I didn't notice this, lol. Thanks for pointing it out!
You, sir, have an amazing eye for details!
Yes I knew it! Especially that shot at the end of the latest episode. This is the way 👌
That I assumed this was CG, that this model is rivalled by CG shots in the show, proves how good the CG is, if anything.
I didn’t even notice, just incredible how it looks, it’s amazing
Confirmed in The Gallery season 2 it is a miniature.
A lot of CGI can look great in this show, but a good practical model will just seriously hit that sweet spot of looks for me 😊
I knew it! In that first scene I was like, wait a minute, CGI is good in this show but this looks like a miniature!
It made me so happy. Nice white classic studio model!
Me too - that first shot coming in under the ship's belly have me Episode 4 vibes
It's interesting that Star Destroyers and such look grey but the models are actually white a lot of times.
EXACTLY MY THOUGHT! A PRACTICAL MODEL!!!
It makes extra sense that it's a real model that is imperfect because, in-universe, an Arquintens in this time period would be fairly old ship. They were some of the only "medium" sized ships used by both the Republic and the Empire. As such, it's basically impossible that this Arquintens hasn't seen combat which makes the imperfect lines, clumped "patch" paint, and weathering effects on the model all the more awesome.
That’s awesome! I love the Arquitens class
The CG models are also hand made, just in an intangible medium.
Thats why it looked so good
That explains why it looks so good.
It looks beautiful.
It's great and all, and I do appreciate practical effects whenever it's used, but personally it makes it look tiny because it actually is.
The Cruiser is great. However, it is perfectly possible to build this in digital form. Look at the awesome work of Howard Day here on CZcams.
It's funny - I also got the impression it was a practical effect, but mostly because the closeup gave the impression that it was a high-quality toy. The imperfections you pointed out here are on a scale that you'd see in a miniature model, not a vessel the size that model is meant to represent. It had a great classic feel to it, but we've definitely reached the point where CGI can go head to head with practical effects in terms of quality
ILM are really laying the gauntlet down in The Mandalorian!
I was looking for confirmation on youtube on this! I just saw the episode and taught, damn this thing is definitly NOT CGI. This show is crazy!!
I think, to my eyes, it's probably the lighting and resplution that make it look (like a) miniature. It kinda feels like a small scale model blown up for that
the ore truck looked real too
You could also use this info as tips to add while modelling/rendering to achieve more realistic results, such as making your model slightly wavy instead of perfectly straight. Will be trying this in blender!
It would be cool to see a comparison of the design of the outland tie to the other tie types you did a video about.
EC Henry has proved his prowess with 3D modeling, but I’d like to see a video of him doing some real-life kitbashing, especially if he’s not as good at it as he is on the computer. Seeing an artist out of their element is an interesting experience, plus I’d love to see what he comes up with
Hey Henry, great job with the video!
I would really, really love to see you do you amazing 3D modelling come back again in a video with you making a custom frigate for the rebellion.
I just love that we got a arquetins in live action.
0:15 My man! My thoughts exactly, in fact I was thinking... "wait a minute, something is wrong here, this is way too realistic"
I use the light cruiser a lot in Thron's Revenge
This is an art form I want to continue in Star Wars
I want it. Arquitens are my favorite ships in the franchise. I was squealing like a little girl when it first showed up.
Same bro, quite a few people have been referring to this ship as an Arquitens II due to its restoration of the side Concussion missile launchers from the republic era & both a Frontal small TIE hangar & centre bottom hull medium-sized hanger that looks to be able to fit a squadron in it... Not to mention the enlarged bridge.
Literally the most versatile capital ship now lol, especially now that it can still dock a Sential dropship on the front still
the shadows on miniatures are always going to look better
Pleasant surprise
If this is really a miniature model, I would love a scale model of it. The arquitens class is just the perfect ship that the Empire should have mass produced more than the Imperial class. You can build 38 arquitens class with the same resources it takes to build a single Imperial class, you can man it with tiny fraction of Imperial class crew, and it is still strong enough to withstand the average Rebel cell. I would also love to see an upgraded arquitens class with a stronger focus on ship-to-ship combat and anti fighter role.
and by doing this they increase the meaning of what would otherwise just be "a small ship"
Making of season 2 is out xmas day on disney. Sure there will be a section on the studio models.
I was wondering about that too, whether it was CGI made to look like a physical model or an actual model. What triggered me was the depth of field in the shot, but combined with the details you describe and what we know of how they shot the Razor Crest a physical model seems very likely. I wouldn't be surprised however if they also had made a very high detailed 3d scan of the model for CGI work.
It would be funny if this ended up being CGI. This would become the ultimate video to send "practical is better" people to. "See, even a CGI whiz was fooled!"
It's that water scene where the Razorcrest gets dumped on the dock I really want to see a breakdown for. That shot was incredible and *I* am convinced that there had to have been a lot of practical work in it!
perfection through imperfection ...
Their is a mystery ship in the seen of the fleet to the battle of endor, just left too the mystery mon cal cruiser, it's a little spott just under the edge of the ship!!
I would love to see you make a 3D model of an X-83 Twin Tail. It’s a well known and well rounded New Resistance Starfighter but there’s a surprising lack of high-quality images and models.
Maaan I really love your videos, I always get inspired when I see these illustrations of 3d ships. Is there a discord group to join for people who likes to 3d model star wars ships? I myself am working on a corellian designed heavily modified J-type diplomatic barge but I'm struggling to catch and nail the design language of corellian ships and I would love to find a group to discuss my ideas with and learn more about this 😊
Damn, Iwanna buy that model
Cannot wait for the finish Episode I believe we’ll see the New Republic jump in to save the Mandalorian along with the Jedi who sensed Grogu’s message maybe even an appearance of the seventh fleet led by “unknown admiral”.
Wowowow. Too soon dude. Watch the spoils
@@TheKenji2221 Don't worry, I doubt that's the case. I imagine they're saving the unknown admiral for something much larger. Plus, he never had any loyalty to the Empire, just Palpatine, who is RIP.
Not to be sure but I don't think the new republic would save mando, for i think its a final battlel where cara dune, boba fett, greef carga, fennic shand, and possibly Bo katan krayze and her followers, and ahsoka. Etc. I don't have any expectations on the new republic intervening in the battle cause its clone wars republic corruption all over again. Well we could find out that jedi and possibly that new republic fighter pilot we saw talking last time to cara dune but again I have low expectations on the new republic in the mandalorian
And also they were hunting down the razor crest and din djarin from several systems after his attack on a new republic prison ship so its a no
Ok it's spoil fest then
Can you do a video analyzing the scene from the last episode where we say the heroes inside Slave 1 in what seemed like a rotating compartment? Was this just an illusion with the exterior fins rotating? Was this space on Slave 1 something we'd seen in previous models or cross sections? Does it really make sense to have a rotating inner compartment above a ship like Slave 1?
Thanks for all your videos!
iirc, most designs for Slave 1 (Star Wars incredible cross sections?) have a gyroscopic pilot/copilot seat. But the Mandalorian makes it look more like an entire "deck" that can rotate between level and perpendicular flight.
Watch in the previous episode when the Slave 1 comes in to land, it has to do a complex 270° twist, which would be very weird for a pilot to have to deal with inside a planet's atmosphere, so it needs some kind of gyroscopic compensation for its cargo bay and cockpit. It was always something the fans were curious about, and though we got hints of it in _Attack Of The Clones,_ we'd never seen it properly. Until now. It's touches like this that prove the creative team are dedicated nerdy Star Wars fans, the fact that they thought of how to do this, and also knew we all wanted to see it, makes me happy.
The cost of getting a digital artist to come up with the griebling of that entire ship is probably several times more than making a practical model and using existing Skywalker Ranch equipment to just practically shoot it.
Its nice they did this instead of using CGI. Tokusatsu shows like the Ultraman series still use practical miniatures even now and its still good...
This is a real model, but saying it couldn't be done in CG is a MASSIVE underestimation of the power of the craft. And let me tell you, CGI is no less lovingly crafted than any practical effect.
If there is a practical model then i need to pull of a heist to steal that for myself because damn it looks good
now that season 3 has finished I think a small "problem" i have with it was the look of the N-1 and the Arquitens were (If I am not remembering incorrectly) always CGI instead of practical models which meant that these kind of small details felt missing. Still loved S3, can't wait for S4
Hey Henry, could you maybe make a ATTE Empire upgraded version, that would be awesome.
So many people say the Empire should have never phased out the ATTE to the AT AT.
It would be nice to see an empire style AT TE.
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In CGI the artist works to make a illusion look "not fake".
In practical modelling the artist works to make something real look "fantastic".