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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
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Good I'm happy to watching your videos thank you I'm from Morocco
Great idea!!
This might give you a giggle...out of curiosity I wanted to know what my tables were like...(keep in mind it's almost 10:30 at night and nobody else knows I'm watching this) I get up from the couch, pulled out a kitchen chair and crawled under muttering to myself...lol...my son was watching me. He's like "ummm what are you doing?" I've been getting back to woodworking for my Dusty wood adventures...I'm like "Just checking out my table construction "...Apparently my kitchen table has a veneer on top of plywood which I didn't know. Mine is attached with straight up blocks and no movement. Thanks for your knowledge!
The dowel button is pretty clever. It is interesting how woodworking at its core is just variants of the same principles. For the most part, it's all just different ways of doing mortise and tenons. Some ways are stronger, some are cheaper, some look prettier. Even hardware and fasteners are still, in principle, simply mortise and tenons (even pocket holes :D).
Yup! Once you understand the “why” the “how-to” can be figured out in many different ways
I like the dowel button because it seems to give more wood movement and that seems to be the point of the whole video
Finally!! Someone clearly explained the interaction of wood movement and fasteners. I’m new to woodworking and was torturing myself over the need for an anchor point with these types of fasteners, but wasn’t sure if that would eventually lead to other problems. You explained it perfectly. Thank you!! Wood dowel buttons are a great idea BTW. I wish that Domino took wasn’t so ridiculously expensive. It looks very handy.
I think the dowel buttons are a great idea. And I'm always impressed by workflow tips like drilling holes first then cutting.
Glad you appreciate it!
Your channel has the clearest and most thorough videos that I’ve found for a beginner like me. You’re a great teacher. Thank you :-)
Wow, thank you!
So glad you clarified about the pocket hole table top issue! Also the buttons are great because you can make them in a pinch and you dont have to wait for shipping or running to the store. Great ideas as always! Thank you! If practical, I might suggest warmer lighting in the new shop for filming.
You are the prettiest carpenter on CZcams not to mention lots of very smart idea. Also you would make a great teacher as well. Thank you for the good work you are doing.
Thanx
I have watch your videos from when you started, your knowledge level and abilities to research are extremely impressive. However what really sets you apart is your clear and exact explanation of what you are doing. When I go to build something you have made it seems to always good without hitches.
I never thought about wood movement and luckily it hasn't been an issue for projects I've done, 😬. Thanks, very informative!
I'm the same. I use very dry wood and the humidity doesn't change much where I am BUT I'm thinking I should start taking the expansion into account because I might accidentally get some not so dry timber and a customer or myself might change location. (And the know-it-alls will have to destructively criticise something else).
@@Goalsplus I am in WI so humidity is all over the place. I think I've just gotten lucky with the types of projects and dryness of wood.
Love the dowel idea. Looking forward to seeing how you've laid out your new shop.
Glad you like it!
That dowel button is BRILLIANT! I almost didn't watch this video because I figured this was just a list of everything I was already familiar with. But I watch all of your videos, and I am SO glad I didn't skip this one. Thank you!
Thank s for taking the time to explain why I need to attach the top a particular way. The expansion in multiple directions is not some thing that I had thought of before. Great, humble teaching style.
These videos are very informative. I've been learning from them for the last three years now. Much Love from Kenya...
The dowel idea is worth a million bucks. I really like to watch your experiments and tricks and tips. Please keep them coming.
The best woodworking channel on CZcams. Always instructional and inspirational . Thank you Tamar!
Awesome to hear!
1000% agree
This lady is an amazing teacher. Thanks for show me what to do these past few months.
Thanks Tamar for the thorough explanation behind the need to account for wood movement in this application. As always, I appreciate your focus on various options available and your outside the box thinking. The button/dowel solution was brilliant!
Smart lady.
Thanks for making my life better, used your dealt tablesaw to fine tune works better than ever😊😊😊😊😊 so I was looking thru my wood pile and found a very old piece of Douglas fir it is 25” wide, was in an old Victorian house built in mid 1800’s, when I look closer at the grain there were very tight rings. I believe it came from an old growth tree that likely was over 400 years old. I was struggling on how to keep it from warping and here is Tamar with many solutions.
Thank you so much. I have watched several videos on this subject and was leaning towards the mortise button. I was thinking to custom shape the buttons for use in my biscuit jointing machined slot. After being exposed to at least 10 different methods by 4 different men, yours was the last video watched. You have sold me on the "Skinny Fit Dowel" technique. I needed this for my current build. You seriously need to name this method!!
Wow, almost 700k subs, and you are taking the time to comment / like as many comments as you can. I hope people realize how much work that must be. Thanks for staying grounded, while becoming YT famous, all at the same time.
Tamar, I really enjoy your posts not only for the content, but that you talk and explain what you are doing. There are other creators that could learn from you. thank you for not just playing repetitive music. Again I really enjoy your work.
Glad you appreciate it
You truly have the soul of an educator. Thanks
Brilliant idea to use dowels. I have learnt so much from you over the past couple of years, thank you for sharing your work. Respect and Regards from Pakistan
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This video just popped up at the right time. I'm building a chest like coffee table and wasn't thinking about the wood shrinking and expanding. Thank you for saving my behind!!!
Awesome
I like the comparison you give. We don’t have to masters to make things. I really like that you give options for skills, and tools.
Thanks
Love the dowel butttons, been working with wood for 60 years & never thought of what you did. Great idea. Love ur show & I'm 80
So glad you like it! I thought it was cool
I've done some table top work, and being sort of a snob about using hardware, came up with the idea of using wooden buttons with a side slot, but instead of using a screw to attach it, use a wedged tenon into the top. You could go all the way through the top, so you can see the work, or you could just bury the tenon using a wedge or just glue, I suppose, but I'd hate to rely on glue to hold it together. I love the idea of just using a dovetail, but on a wide table, your joinery had better be perfect or you'd never get it together. I suspect that is why you don't see it too often. If you pare down your dovetails to make the fit easier, the joint will be too loose. Thanks for the vid!
Can’t believe the perfect timing on this. I have to attach a desktop to a frame this weekend.
Thanks!
Awesome
The dowel idea is ingenious! It's one of those head smacking "WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT! "
Hah glad you think so!
I really like the dowles. Practical, cheap but still fulfils the need.
Again you open up a topic and discuss different options, commercial and workshop. Thank you
So glad you like the dowel idea! I thought it was pretty cool
I could not wrap my head around doing this without messing the wood up. Honestly the first method is what I will do because it’s easy and cheap. Great content.
Dowel buttons, yes. More amazing thoughtful woodcraft that is completely inspiring. Thanks, Tamar.
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Holy crap your brain must be huge to be thinking of all these ways to secure a top to legs. Those all all awesome ideas!!!! Thanks for putting out your ideas!!!! Dave
This is what I like about your video you take your time and explain step by step everything no love music playing in the background to distract The Listener this way anybody can learn something from you and that's why I love your channel I can learn something from you because you take your time and explain it
You are a great woodworker! Keep up the great content. I've watched hundreds of woodworking CZcams videos and your channel is simply one of the best. Probably top 3 for me. Thank you!
That’s awesome to hear! Thanks!
Thank you for your hard work.♥ This is a great demonstration of all options available. This makes a great reference point / video to refer back to when building my next table. Imho the oversized holes with or without the slotted stretchers makes the most sense. However the other options are just as viable.
Tamar, you are such an excellent instructor. Thanks for this video.
Well done my favorite is the dove tail joint now thats cool
Dowel buttons and all those fixtures are good. For smaller projects like top of the wooden chair, old craftsmen in my country used something similar to non-dowel buttons, from hardwood, but slot in apron/stretcher was more like made by bisquit jointer, slightly anled like to uphil on one side, and button was pivoting on thicker bolt locking the top to frame, allowing wood movement. And such joint could have been disassembled in no time, just by turning all those nobs away from their slots in frame.
Awesome tip! Wish I knew this when I made my dinning table 😀 I make these adjustments when I refinish it.
Dowel buttons are awesome and super clever, as expected of tamar!
I've been looking forward to a new video from you, and this one delivers wonderfully. Right now, sadly, I'm doing more of the carpentry (my garage needs a *lot* of work) than finer woodworking, but this is great for me to see and have available to me for when the garage/workshop is ready. Thank you!
Have fun setting it up. I know the drill ha
@@3x3CustomTamar Yeah, but that's part of the fun. Well, a little bit, anyway. At some point, it's more fun to make stuff in the workshop than it is to make the workshop itself :)
I really appreciate someone offering solutions to this problem rather just scolding people and telling them not to do it
Glad you appreciate it
Tamar always makes the newbie feel like we can do it. Great channel awesome mom and instructor. Thank you
Awesome to hear
I am currently in the middle of a build and was thinking of the best way I wanted to attach the top. This video popped up at the perfect time! Thank you!
Awesome
Huge thanks! I've learned a lot from you over the last few years. Attaching my raw wood table top today.
Glad to help!
The idea for the button with a dowel is a hit! Well done!
Dowel buttons are exactly what i needed. Thank you.
love the 'dowel button' idea... 👍i have been following your channel for a while now and am impressed by your knowledge and on camera presence; you know your woodworking stuff...! 👍 also, thank x3 for NOT letting youtube interrupt your videos with their annoying mid-roll ads...! your sponsor ads you do are acceptable because they relate (and support!) what your videos are about...! thank you again for great videos and congratulations on your new shop... looking forward to your future videos...! 👍😉😁🌷
Love the dowel Button, would definitely seal them and wax the holes. As you know dowels are wood and can expand and contact. Great instructional video. Very nice to have you back. Thank you.
Your dowel button idea looks like a winner. If I was to make a single table, instead of producing them, I'd give it a try. The metal versions that need a slot in the rail are likely a better time-for-cost trade. It's a good story overall, too.
So good to have you back, Tamar. Looking forward to more of your work.
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I like your creativity and emphasis on "options". The dowel button is a great example of that. It made me think of another option that might be quicker. Make little blocks as you did with the dowel button, but instead of a dowel, pre-drill a small hole, pound a stout nail in, then clip off the head of the nail with a bolt cutter. Use the shaft of the nail similar to the dowel button. Does that make sense? Seems like it would work. Thanks for super videos. I'm learning a lot from you.
Such a detailed video. We'll done, you saved my table top!
Great to hear!
I've been thinking of making a cherry table/desk as my next woodworking project, and I get the feeling I'll be watching this video several more times when I do. Thank you!
Haha glad it’s helpful!
Always double check the first one!
My mom made a nice table and measured her screws, but she made the mistake of not taking the countersink into consideration and she sunk about 8 screws before she went to adjust the table to reach the other side and cut her finger on screws sticking through her top.
She was upset but she got lucky because her plan was to wrap the table in comic pages anyway for a client… but it was an easy mistake to make, she held the screws up, made sure it was okay, but just forgot about countersinking which added about 1/4in so the screws just poked through, the screws barely did anything, the actual problem was the wood! The fibers lifted and tore really badly. The actual screw holes themselves were tiny because it was just the very tip.. the wood just self destructed!
I rode up to the store and got the right screws and we spent the night filling and sanding and refinishing the top.
Don’t make the same mistake! Account for everything and leave a bit of wiggle room!
Yup. I always test on a scrap 👍
This couldn’t have come at a better time! I’ve just cut up everything to make a reclaimed wood table and I was trying to work out how to attach the base to the legs (I’m a metal worker so don’t have many woodworking tools)
I’m going to steal the dowel buttons as I have the dowel and some scrap wood. I’ll be sure to tag thank you on Instagram when I make it!! Thank you so much for this!
I love the dowel buttons!
Thank you Tamar for sharing all of these joints. Really interesting.
Your ingenuity always amazes me, Tamar. The dowel button is another great idea. Another great video!
Glad you liked it!
Great stuff! I really like the dowel button idea. Seems sturdy & very easy to batch out. Once again, you always impress with the innovation you bring to the craft!
Glad you like it!
They all look good. But the dowel button looks like the easiest and yet admirable way of doing it. Thank you for sharing all of these ideas.
I thought it seems pretty easy too!
Video is okay...but I personally love cracks in my pieces and get excited when I constantly have to repair my work so it's never done. I deem it "perpetual perfection". This channel is full of ideas to tear my dreams apart.....
Great video by the way. Thanks for the tips and education. I also LOVE your new shop.
😂😂 that would drive me nuts. Glad you like it!
I used the dowel buttons on a project. Works perfectly. The top has seen more than 2 years of all the season changes. Top is as flat and clean as day 1
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Aaannnnd Tamar is back doing what she does best! Just at a point when I was building up my mental strength to make a table. Thank you
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Haha awesome
Brilliant as always! Lovin your dowel button thingymajig! Thanks for posting, take care
Glad you like it!
I love to see tricks and tips for woodworking. Thanks for this informative video ☺️
Glad you liked it!
I am not a wood worker, but still I like to watch your video because I love your work!
Ha. Nice!
The dowels are a great idea but I really love the sliding dovetails. That would make some really awesome serving trays, box feet, foot stools, or any smaller items like that! You're a fantastic woodworker and I love your brainstorming and creative ideas. Keep up the great work!
Thanks so much! I love a sliding Dovetail too
Great summary! Clear, concise and complete.
Love the dowel idea! doing that now
Huh the dowel button is an awesome idea. This is such a great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Thanks for the video, it explains the options well. I am just starting design of a table, and htis gives some ideas. I did find some washers at Lee Valley that are elongated, and can be milled into the skirts to provide motion. It would depend on the skirt width though. I like the dowel idea, nice and simple.
Glad it was helpful!
I bought z-clips to use in a kerf slot similar to the button, but this gave an idea to perhaps glue/fix in the clip at the center of the small ends, ir use an angle bracket there instead.
I really like the new graphics. They're great to help make the point.
You also have a very nice channel & you teach me a lot. Thx
Thanks for the video.
I like the dowel version the best cheap easy and gets the job done. If you do not glue it together and the dowel breaks you can pull out broken dowel and replace. Take a snack sized plastic bag and put a few spares, that way after a move or other rough use of the table and a few break you do not have to go and find them, and if you make the table for someone else they will thank you for spares.
Great tips! Dowels are nice and easy. The square buttons are my choice and not hard to make with hand tools
The dowel buttons are a great idea, good thinking. What I do often is to put two or three pocket holes about 1 1/2" apart in the center of the end rails. This holds the top securely and helps resist pulling the top off when lifting the table and keeps the top centered. If you want one side pinned down, put the pocket holes along that side. Then use one of the floating methods everywhere else.
Yup!
I have not seen a dowel button before, all the best ideas are nice and simple; I would use a dowel point to mark the apron, dragging it along will make a nice line then drill 0.5mm higher or just place a thin shim under the button so the line is where you want to drill the slot.
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Tamar,your dowels are an ingenius breakthrough! Go girl go!
Oops,omitted the "o"..... oh sorry
Thanks for giving all these options! I knew the method using buttons (the dowel version is genius!) but I’m about to put some seats onto triangular stool bases, and the oversized hole seems the best for that. I had been wondering how to install them for a while - thanks for posting this vid just in time for me :-)
Glad it was helpful!
I’m going to refer to this video repeatedly; thanks for the great reference! Side note: wonderful and consistent Lund quality in the new shop.
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I vote for the dowel buttons! Thanks for sharing and giving us more options to think about.
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Cool ideas. I have seen the dowel in slots before but never the button idea. I never realized why it was done but knew my kitchen table is assembled with screws through oversized holes.
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Good tips.
I have a large table I rescued from the dumpster that uses pocket holes to attach the apron to the top.
It didn't act like MDF when I repaired a pocket hole in one of the aprons.
It hasn't split, but even though it didn't act like MDF when I put the screws back into it, it could have a laminate on the top to make it look like hardwood.
Maybe. I had a table split when I used pocket holes
I haven’t tried the dowel buttons yet but I really like the idea
A method to possibly add to your list. Back in the old days (early in the Norm Dynasty), I was taught (I don't remember from where) to use 2 washers in the same way as the figure-8s that are available now. The washers are larger and have to overlap. One is screwed to the rail. The second is screwed in position on the top to overlap the first. It's the friction of the overlap that keeps the top on the base. Shallow mortising on the rail helps to hide, just like the figure-8s. I just always assumed that the figure-8s were a gadget based on this method. PROs: 1) Cheap! ...especially in quantity. 2) Works for both grain directions. CON: Takes a some fiddling and experimentation in the beginning to figure out the best way to mount them. Fender washers can make it easier since there is more area, but have to be cut/filed down to not be visible on the outside of the rails.
Sounds cool
Super wood connection idea, very simple but with a good effect. Thanks for the video Tamar
Glad you liked it!
You are fantastic! How simple and clear way of revealing the topic. Thank you, your video was so helpful
Making buttons on the CNC is the way to go! Those angle brackets looked pretty interesting, I might try those on a small night stand or dresser sometime. The dowel was a clever idea and probably faster if you didn't have the jig you showed for the table saw.
Awesome!! This video is awesome! The dowel tabletop holder is awesome!! Your awesome!! Lol thanks for another great video as usual! Take care, until next time!.
Haha so glad you liked it! Thanks!
Clear and complete, tip of the hat to you.
Even more inspiration to (finally) set up my router table to cut sliding dovetails! I'll even make my shop cabinets with sliding dovetails!
Awesome. Have fun! Just remember. Practice on scrap 👍
Definitely gonna try that dowel button
Great video and knowledge
I’ve seen a method to make the buttons that is basically making two at once. Fingers crossed I can describe it. It starts with a rectangle of wood about as long as two of the short dimensions but only one of the long. The two pieces will be cut nestled together. Basically it makes two with no waste. To start, cross cuts are made about 1/3 in on opposite and opposing sides. Drill the holes, then hit it the middle with a chisel to separate the two long pieces.
Well, I did a horrible job with that explanation, but maybe it makes sense. Enjoyed the video!
Thanks! I ordered some of the "expansion" brackets. I didn't know they existed. I'm in the process of making a small table and was planning on going to the hardware and finding some off-the-shelf L brackets that I could rework with a slot to do this. Didn't know I could just buy them if I knew what to search for.
Thank you this video couldn't have come at a better time as the wife has me putting legs on live edge that I was in a dilemma about assembly of the legs
Awesome. Good luck!