Becoming a Kardashev Type I Civilization
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- The Kardashev Scale has become a standardized way of classifying (hypothetical) advanced civilizations. The lowest rank, Type 1, is still way ahead of us - but by how much? When will we achieve Type 1 status and exactly how could we plausibly do so? In this video, we go through some estimates of when humanity might become Type 1, and in particular what kind of energy sources we could harness to achieve this feat.
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► Kardashev (1964), "Transmission of Information by Extraterrestrial Civilizations", Soviet Astronomy, 8, 217: adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1964SvA...
► Michio Kaku video clip from BigThink: • Michio Kaku: Will Mank...
► Wind map movie credit to Rufinoman and earth.nullschool.net: • Video
► Wind energy calculation based off Smil (2004), "Inherent limits of renewable energies"
► References for the 3.7TW figure for tidal energy dissipation are: Cartwright 1993 (Theory of ocean tides with application to altimetry, in Satellite Altimetry in Geodesy and Oceanography, edites by R. Rummel and F. Sanso, pp. 99-141, Springer-Verlag, New York), Ray 1994 (Tidal energy dissipation: Observations from astronomy, geodesy, and oceanography, in, The Oceans, edited by S. Majumdaret al., pp. 171-185, Pa. Acad. of Sci., Easton, Pa.), Kagan & Sundermann 1996 (Kagan Dissipation of tidal energy paleotides, and evolution of the Earth-Moon system, Adv. Geophys., 38, pp. 179-266)
► Solar video comes from NASA SDO and GSFC: svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/12706
► Learn more about the Carno cycle here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_...
► Learn more about the planetary equilibrium calculation here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planeta...
► Tidal power map comes from Gunn & Stock-Williams (2012): www.sciencedirect.com/science...
► Outro music by Thomas Bergersen "Final Frontier": www.thomasbergersen.com
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Rest In Peace to Nikolai Kardashev who sadly passed away to become a Type IV civilization in the beyond on August 3rd 2019. What a wonderful mind, he will be missed.
Well said sir! Just discovered your channel a couple of days ago. Really enjoy how you present your subject matter and the subject matter itself of course. #subscribed 😀
Rip
I'm still surprised how almost no one talks about his recent death. I guess he would received more attention if his last name was Kardashian.
maybe imprisoned a black hole
I don't really care about energy consumption, but efficient energy consumption! might as well run bitcoin mining all year long without creating anything except the right to use a bitcoin..
Left the oven on all day. Doing my part!
@@truthfulreviews488 Big talk for a kid who likes WWE and Mustangs. What happened, the other 12 year olds in your trailer park didn't want to play with you so you came on here to be a little troll?
@@truthfulreviews488 you're trying too hard, it's showing.
@@alphen9487 btw what word with 3 letters starting with a b did he censor? "Bit"? "Boy"?
butt
DontCryBecauseI DontBelieveYourBullshit wow you’re so funny you should be a comedian I laughed so hard im literally shidding rn
I was watching this and it cut to an ad. The exact words I heard were "That leaves us with 2 options. Solar energy and - Explosive diarrhea? Upset stomach? Painful indigestion?".... I laughed for like 4 minutes straight.
Underrated
I was watching a twomad video and and when he was going to say the n word it switched to an ad sponsored by pewdiepie. And the best part is that he was wearing the same stuff as he was when he said n word.
Dude, an ad kicked in at the same time. I think the ad said something related to games, I dont remember. What was so funny was how the giy in the ad was basically in the same angle as the guy in the video, like he iust teleported to his place.
@@Glarpinator LMAOOO
mine was solar energy and stadia lol
Something I just now thought of, halfway through this presentation, is that we are also using less energy to do the same things as before. In other words, efficiency. That might throw the numbers off even more.
Yes, exactly!! The Kardashev scale does not factor in advancements in efficiency.
Efficiency is the name of the game here. Do more with less
That's what I was thinking, we learn how to conserve energy be doing the same things more efficiently
Jevons paradox comes into effect
While true and certain things we use have/continue to become more efficient, humanity continues to invent things that consume energy with alarming inefficiency. A prime example being Crypto. Mining crypto in an inefficient power drain that globally uses more power than some countries. Bitcoin alone uses 150TW, which is more than the entire power consumption of Argentina.
You also have to think on a global scale as Kardashev did. Your thinking in 1rst world wester centric and you forget that their are more people living in countries that use our old and inefficient tools and appliances and work in factories that haven't been upgraded in 50+ years. So while the West may have energy star appliances and high efficiency rechargeable batteries, 4+ billion people don't.
Another quality video. Personally, I question Kardashev's assumptions, which I think are rather sci-fi. In time, energy use would ideally become more efficient and the measure of a civilisation's advancement would be ever less based on the energy they use and ever more on the amount of integrated information they process.
The animal kingdom provides an example. Empowerment based on size had its limits, with increased information processing turning out to be more potent.
Almost seems like you don't even know what your talking about
It's only sci because it's of the unknown how meany times has science fiction become reality
@@ericmiller5231 I think you missed his point. He's saying that rather than measuring the quantity / amount of energy consumed by a civilization, it would be better to measure their efficiency. A civilization that can do task A using 100 watts is probably a lot more advanced than a civilization that needs to use 1000. Also, maybe we can use x watts to power a bunch of cars, but a civilization that has more access to information (create worm holes, terraform, etc) is far more advanced, even if they're using similar amounts of energy.
@@patrickwarren2714 well no because that's not obviously how the Kardeshev scale is measured and they are already building a fusion machine in Germany it isn't completely about the efficiency doesn't matter how efficient cause the energy consumption would max out the efficiency the more energy regardless of how efficient if it was really efficient the more energy there is and Thier for the more energy you will use that's why civilizations would need to start harvesting energy from suns because the more energy they have the more that's gonna be used for advances in science and technology so even if a civilization was able to maintain efficient limitless energy it wouldn't be limitless completely if you had all that energy you would be using the entire capacity all the time to advance so in reality you'd need to keep extending the amount of energy output you need
@@ericmiller5231 I shoyld clarify, I was talking about efficiency (AND knowledge) in expending energy, not in collection. I guess, it seems like there isn't that much more that we could do simply if we had more energy; certainly, there are some, but technology needs to advance enough for us to use that much energy in useful ways first, as well as ways to deal with heat waste.. But I see your point.
2020: "In hundred years we'll become a Kardashev Type I Civilization."
2120: *Despacito 420*
How tf you end up here
@@gamertardguardian1299 man living in the future
or realistically speaking, *cough cough* extinct
@The BlackMace yesss ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Cosmicmorales fuck you
See you all in 2120 when we are a type 1 civilisation and CZcams algorithm re-unites us all
See you there
😁
Not to rain on your parade.. Reincarnation is a real hot button issue. I say that cause, well it's true to a finite point. We happen to come back as a new person. Our soul stays the same but our bodies are basically renewed every time we die. We might come back one day and see that your comment, his, hers, or mine would still be here and be like "hey that guy seems like a dick. I'm gonna troll him" or " I agree with that guy" when in reality we may never know that the supposed living that commented 25-30+ years ago is actually a dead version of our past selves now living in the future. Now trying to figure out how to stop our world from for example ending, or overheating, or reaching a specific civilization level. We may not even hit Kardashev type 1 in a hundred years. It might be Elon type 1 in a hundred years or so.
@Chunks Bunks afraid no. It just makes a little more sense when you look outside of pandoras boxes in order to look in and see the world for what it truly is. And not look in to lookout. It doesn't make sense. Death isn't terrifying. The dark secrets that the world holds is terrifying.
@@snifflesischristian2369 nah I not gonna believe YOUR* Theory* I rather choose to believe in Jesus that one day in the year 2100 I’ll be 93 I’ll come back to this comment and not be reincarnated because I’m gonna go to heaven and I believe that heaven is real .not reincarnation I I guess we’ll have to see once I’m 100 and something I’m not trying to jinx anything I’ll see you then
I always assumed a type 1 lived on multiple planets, type 2 lived on multiple solar systems and type 3 lived on multiple galaxies.
I don't see how you can control and consume so much energy on a single planet.
Gotta remember this is from an from the 50s if we recreated this level of civilisation I personally believe type 1 should be created smaller scale and fully agree with your thoughts
The way I learned it was, a type one can control fully the energy of a whole planet, a type two, can control fully the energy of a star and so forth.
Type= controls your entire planet resources and manipulate all natural disasters. Basically enough technology to control a Planet
@@Brentonius_III I mean, it was supposed to be wide scale, and a look into detectable civilisations
If we've got the technology to become a type 1 civilization then we'd have the ability to terraform Venus.
One thing to keep in mind that it is not just about the energy consumption, it's also about controlling the energy and use it in effective and constructive ways.
I thought I was subscribed to enough science related channels. I was wrong.
I see your comments everywhere...lol
Skid Kev if you watch a lot of space videos like me, I guess that makes sense haha
Thanks, I learned something new
xZack52x
Yeah this is a good one. These are professional Astronomers who do this channel. So you get the latest updates on astronomy news from the horse's mouth. They also field scifi related questions like, "is it aleins?"
The host of the channel has also done interviews with John Michael Godier on his channel, so I'm surprised you haven't heard of this one. If you haven't already, subscribe to Godier's channels.
So true...
We should probably focus more on not becoming type "extinct" civilization
True
That's how lol
I see it not being mutually exclusive
Also I need to start my global art project of phisical backups of how to get to our current technology level
Incase of sun EMP
Also resources so we can cut the fat
So like an Egyptian pyramid on it is pictographs with the global languages like top 3, local top 3
So we have rosetta stones too!
So all around the world, these grand triangles
With information into them,
I was thinking make them so people can make obsorvetory towers around them, so it's easier to read
So you need the ability to build to get higher in the tech tree
Building soil to farm trees is one of the essential skills I consider
Survival skills & progress for a group mostly, I'm not against an individual learning or reading though I figure it's better with people
Automatic machinery
I'm on it chief
properly controlling energy consumption should prevent extinction
You are insane in such an amazing way. Amazing vids mate.
seeing stuff like this makes me depressed knowing I won't live long enough to see this happen, almost like how people in the 1800s can't see how much we've evolved from back then
I feel ya. It's probably why I love reading scifi novels. A good author can create a believable universe for the imagination and for me, it's the future world building that I enjoy the most. I usually like the authors that often get people criticizing them for having too much detail, but that's the way I like it.
I'm still holding out hope for that research that can reverse the aging of mice, if we manage to get that to work for humans within our lifetime then we might be able to see those far in the future advancements.
They won’t believe that we are watching videos from our phones
Ppl in tht 1800s were concerned with the 1800s, so u should be concerned with the 2000s too
@@seventeen777 Even if it does work out, it’s likely only the super rich/ VIPs would have access to it since it would probably be expensive or they wouldn’t want it to spend since overpopulation is already an issue
With fusion reactions finally having been used to create more energy than what is used in order to create the fusion reaction, it might actually be possible to become a kardashev type I civilization.
That isn't actually what happened. That was only when they look inside the reactor. Taking everything into account to power it, we still put more energy into it than the amount we got out. Sadly there has been a lot of misconception about this as there was a lot of hype around it, but no, we haven't actually breached that point properly yet.
@@imagzz4942 It doesn't matter if it took more energy to make it happen for the first time, it was an experiment designed to test whether or not it was even possible in the first place - meaning they were sparing no expenses when it came down to making a breakthrough. As they proceed with development the concerns regarding whether or not we really are achieving net energy gained will disappear and, at a certain point, the experiment itself will likely be producing enough power to not only pay itself off but turn a profit.
@@imagzz4942 I mean its an approach, obviously even if we did its still not good enough as it needs to be consitent
@@crazygamingoscar7325 Yes, but my point is that they are incorrect. We still haven't made energy from fusion yet.
@@imagzz4942 ok.
Thank you for another great video brother
*scientists can now turn anger into electricity*
Type 4 civilization established overnight. Universe conquered successfully.
Type 4? I think you only accounted standard anger. With internet trolls anger turned into energy you would only have to take one of them. After that the process is self sustainable... Critical threshold is reached without nano-seconds... There, in an un-noticeable time lapse by any human sensors, space-time fabric is disrupted and matter and energy falls back to the origin of the universe to reborn it. By fact, we are children of the Trolls fromt the previous universe... Basically there is no multiverse. Just the cycle fo trolling.
nah we would have to also spend that energy. maybe we could make mars a spaceship or smth
Big Lumpy Beetle yeah if we could force gravity and pull mars , possibly power the sides with galactic propulsion rockets and move it. Might be possible. Not with nasa’s budget though.
Bryce Swan why just do it w one planet when u can do it to the sun and pull out whole solar system w it. we’d need a dyson sphere and a rocket that absorbs the suns energy and can split up up into hydrogen and helium
@@ultra_busy do you include flat earthers in trolls or will they cause a overload and doom us all?
Meanwhile Aliens seeing this video when they hacked CZcams: "These Earthlings can barely maintain a nuclear reactor and they are talking about type 3 civilization." Laughs hysterically in Alien language.
Yes, they have to hack youtube's databases because they can't make sense of the duct tape that keeps the internet together, so they don't have a browser like we do. No alien is going to torment himself with a crash course on Ajax and php.
Sorry, I might be annoyed by something completely unrelated right now.
Nah they would be like "Keep up the good work Champ, you're almost there! You can do it!"
“Wort wort wort wort”
Like they know what youtube is.
* Ack Ack Ack!
Hey Professor David, just wanted to say that I love the music from Thomas Bergersen you used at the end of your video.....just a little sidenote....this video was so fascinating though!!!
Love Cool Worlds. you make me want to make content. keep it up. you're inspiring.
So what you’re telling me is that solar energy is just long-distance nuclear energy? 🤔
Yeah all stars are basically giant nuclear power plants
Nuclear fusion is more efficient than nuclear fission
Correct!
Nuclear wifi
Yup and we are all radioactive as well.
I'm surprised that people would be surprised at this, while at the same time indulging in the belief that they understand what "nuclear energy" means
i'm already type 1 diabetic so i'm type 1 sooner then the rest of you.
Based
Is that even an accomplishment...
@@baldhead7759 Yes, and he's proud of it
me too bro since age 6
Then you understand the difficulties of regulating energy requirements.
This Was The Best Video, Very detailed indeed, Instantly Subscribed 👍
Sir, it is such a pleasure to listen to a well presented notation of an intelligent person.!
Thank you for your insight and also It is gentle of you to speak clearly and slowly little bit compare to other youtuber that we can understand better because english is not my first language. thanks.
When he said nuclear energy I got an ad for HBO's Chernobyl lol
They knew
Fbi.....
I've got adblock on.
It's a very good show, chek it out, very close to actual events.
That amazing film should be viewed in all schools.
Man now I'm so mad the library of Alexandria was burned.
Allan Sagahon if you think there wasn’t copies of all that info at that time you’re naive .
Oh I'm sure your right but, I'm also sure that they were spread out throughout the vastness of the Roman empire and that it took hundreds of years to accumulate it to Alexandria and then the empire began to fracture and the east fell leaving the west with at most half of the power and influence that it took to accumulate all that knowledge.
Allan Sagahon check the Vatican vaults .
Professor Taboo good luck with that
Amin Akhmadi all will be revealed soon .
Thought-stimulating for sure!
Love this channel. Just subed, thank you.
If we can just figure out a way to harness Twitter-fuelled outrage and turn it into energy, we'll easily hit that x1000000 target.
Chris F You are a genius! In the year 2250 The Twitter Outrage Drive or TOD will power starships that will take us to strange new worlds.
WAY too destructive! If nuclear fusion is dangerous to try to contain, this is worse.
Slaanesh will be created
Maybe i should get back on twitter...
Kinda like Monster Inc.
24 degrees increase here on earth would not be good but on Mars or any other cold planet would be beneficial
True, by the time we are able to pull something like this off on Mars we'd want it to have a thicker atmosphere and then it would hold its heat a lot better, right now on the equater its like 70F at noon, -100F at night.. since Mars gets like 44% the sun we do, increasing the heat would probably make it closer to something we are use to. I do like the idea of reaching Type 1 by not actually using all of the solar energy hitting your planet but by matching that number using solar or nuclear energy on other planets. Seems like a much more achievable thing.
Also isn't it awesome how we have Mars behind us with suuuper thin atmosphere and we can see the effects of that, and then in front of us we have Venus where the atmosphere is super dense and the winds move faster than the planets rotation and its always 800F+ . We basically have a glimpse of our future looking at one of them, if we mess our atmosphere up.
I just watched the SFIA outward bound Titan episode, and that is a key point of colonizing Titan. Locating massive computer power and heavy industry there, to take advantage of the immense cold, low gravity, etc.
But Mars just gets 40% of Earth's sunlight, so you can't heat up Mars by 24 degrees. Only an increase of 5 degrees on Mars would be possible for a type one civ.
If you were to use the solar panels around mars as your atmosphere then you have control over the temperature inside the dome.
robert cantryn - um, Mars is cold?
Great video Sir!
Good Stuff Boss Thanks 🙏
"becoming a Kardashian type | civilization"
Doomed!
Humanity destroys itself but not as nuclear cannibals but superheroes. Sounds like Krypton. I'm down.
Type 1 Kardashian Civilization, that's a big ass civilization.
@@CZcamsTookMyNickname.WhyNot musical chairs
Glad I’m not the only one who thought this. I read the title wrong oOps 😬🙂
We’re already there!😨
When Kardashev came up with the scale I believe it was his intent to account for efficiency and different stars. it was just an order of magnitude he was going for. A K1 civilization has reached the limit of what they can get without leaving their planet. A K2 civilization has reached the limit they can get without leaving their star. A K3 civilization has reached the limit without leaving their galaxy.
Firstly, does it matter much if your solar panels are 50% efficient or 100% efficient? By Sagan's formula if we gathered only half the energy striking our planet we would be K0.97. That's a K1 as far as I'm concerned.
Secondly, not all planets, stars and galaxies are equal. A civilization on Europa could reach K1 from tidal heating alone, because tidal heating is orders of magnitude greater than insolation on that moon. A K2 around Proxima Centauri would only be a K1.72 by Sagan's formula, because Proxima Centauri has only 0.17% the output of Sol. Using rough estimates of OUR planet, OUR Sun, and OUR galaxy to judge other civilizations that exist elsewhere is hubris.
Isn't that how we judge everthing as humans, by naming, measuring and computing in comparison to what we have. It is not the best way of doing things but it's all we have since no other civilization has visited/invaded us to introduce is to new concepts
I totally agree btw. It is a crazy way of doing things, but that's how we "survive"
All our measurements are by necessity egocentric. We only have our solar system to compare against, which is why it makes sense that everything we measure against is defaulted to values we can measure. For example, one AU is the distance between the Earth and the Sun (average distance). One gravity is based upon the gravity of Earth at sea level. Etc... Any other civilization encountered in space will fall somewhere below or above those measures.
@@jadin8317 Egocentric being better than Geocentric measurements for sure. That is progress.
David Turpin your questions has a lot to do with sustainability. The reason why we require 80% conversation rate with solar technology is at that rate the technology becomes tried and true therefore making mass production to take effect.
love this channel
Great thoughts
The World currently: when you wanted to become a Kardashev Type 1 civilization, but you only had money to be a Kardashian Type 1 civilization lol
The second dark age
@@LaserGoPEWPEW valleys are dark XD
😂😂😂
Kardashian Civilization "Literally can't even" come close to being a Kardashev civilization
@@LaserGoPEWPEW I always wonder if the modern dark age has politics shut off scientific progress since it's more influential than religion (Christianity which inhibited science) by far.
Linguistically, Kardashev and Kardashian is the same surname, with Russian and Armenian genitive case endings respectively.
Kardash means brother I think
Kardash means sibling in Turkish. It is equivalent to karın (“womb”) + -daş (“fellow, sharer”).
@Doc M Armenian?
So what you’re saying is, Kardashian’s are the key to civilization?
True both are armenians
Great talk👍❗️
Great channel 👍
I love the artist depictions of advanced societies
"Society's" is either the contraction of "society is" or the singular possessive, as in "unable to conform to society's norms". The plural of "society", the context of your comment, is "societies".
Way to advance human society.
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I hate them - the natural world and it's graceful wonders are dead. Those depictions are not of 'advanced societies'
@@TheLuminousOne humanity creations aren't "natural" its only a matter of time before we force the planet into a cycle we permit and allow that ensures its continued success and our continued survival
We’d never reach type I with the current education system
Ya ofcs but the current education system is there to teach u the basics of stuff and life the rest is up to u plus we’re never gonna be alive when we will reach 1
True.. Education today is focused on changing history, silencing free speech, shutting down scientific research because it hurt their feelings etc..
@@richard_from_england333 what have yall been studying? I’m not coming at you, just curiosity.
@@defaint7023 basic of life? School don't event teach you taxes
@@hudsonm1328 how a tesla pump, turbine and ac generator could be the answer to the problem.
Thank you
thanks for the formula for T-eq. I always wondered how they figured out whether an exoplanet was warm-terran or not
Unfortunatelly we are mostly becoming a Type I Kardashian Civilization :(
NO NOT KARDASHIAN Im ready to go if that happens dude
Mass media would point to that but I believe we are still moving in the right direction and could move faster if we get rid of all the small distractions like mass shooting, foreign affairs, etc. All those do is curb creativity for the feature. Cause it causes a side discussion that is not needed.
@@supokanatm3435 well if the worst, like your said event, should happen theres always the hope of an extinction event
@Jai Chauhan Why do you have to be gavaar everywhere?
lol we gotta start somewhere
I swear I read “Kardashian” and not Kardashev. Obviously the former is from a negative-5-type civilization.
A Type 3 Kardashian civilization harnesses the full power of the MAC makeup line and Photoshop
HA! -5 type civ. Fucking hilarious :))
Toxicity levels are through the roof!
Too funny
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What an excellent overview!
@Cool Worlds
Do you mind if I ask what is Cool Worlds' source for mankind's 2017 power consumption of 1.7 x 10^17 watts?
And where can the latest figure be found?
Many thanks!
The Kardashev scale originally was meant to describe the power of advanced civilizations, in particular, those that have achieved the ability of space flight. It uses a geometric progression based on the amount of power accessed by the species as it grows. The earliest emerging civilizations don't appear, except as fractional numbers, because their activity is not very significant on a cosmic scale. These only get a full count when they might be noticed by a theoretical "outside observer," as you will soon see. I am adding a few extra levels to the original three, since there was little use for that as a measuring stick to evaluate gradual progress. Let me start near the beginning, when the culture starts to reveal its potential significance.
Type One: "Novice"
(revised) intensive use of more than half of the planet's habitable surface area for urban dwelling, agricultural production, industry or resource extractive purposes. Oceans, ice caps and deserts are not typically considered habitable, although some oases may exist.
Type Two: "Unstable"
(revised) threatening the ecological health of the planet by careless practices, whether by stripping resources, excessive pollution, or loss of secondary species.
Type Three: "Emergent"
(revised) has acquired sufficient technology to make space flight and colonial ventures possible. Potential for mass self-destruction demands a quest for coexistence.
Type Four: "Maximized"
(original) Type One: intentional use of all the insolation received by the planet for food or power.
(revised) has accessed or made feasible all of the resources and energy available on the planet. Approaching a sustainable global regime for shared resources and political consensus or a tolerant balance of powers.
Type Five: "Outbreak"
(revised) has established self-sufficient populations, with trade routes, in multiple extra-planetary colonies, and continuing to spread. Industrial development of free-floating habitats, space infrastructure and specialized project construction begins.
Type Six: "Established"
(revised) has explored the entire stellar system in sufficient detail to map a super-majority of its geography and resources. Technological proficiency allows pioneers to colonize the frontiers at will, and choose political independence.
Type Seven: "Expansive"
(original) Type Two: intentional use of all of the energy output of the star for habitation and industrial purposes.
(revised) complete access to all of the resources and energy available within the star system, including its planets, moons, and smaller satellites. Experimental robotic ships explore the nearer neighboring star systems and the conditions of intermediate space.
Type Eight: "Arrival"
(revised) first colonies established around other star systems. Ultrahigh-energy physics experiments explore the potential for travel at relativistic or supra-lightspeed velocities.
Type Nine: "Manifesto"
(revised) seeding the stellar neighborhood with many colonial ventures, discovering the range of variety of system formation and geography, and revealing the frequency of the origins of life.
Type Ten: "Epitome"
(original) Type Three: acquisition and use of the entire energy output of all of the stars in the whole galaxy.
(revised) technological capacity to range at will throughout the galaxy, planting colonies, developing resources and tapping unlimited energy as needed to sustain the presence and growth of the species in all its various iterations. Sophisticated modes of long distance travel and self-contained habitat ships allow for sporadic attempts to surpass galactic boundaries.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the original version of the Kardashev scale assessing the power use of a space-faring civilization was excessively over-simplified. Having only three tiers, it did not allow for any detail or description of the intermediate stages of development. At every stage, it required an "all or nothing" obvious achievement in order to advance to the next rung of the ladder, and totally lacked any descriptive or predictive powers.
This revised version does have more capacity for descriptions, and also allows for a certain amount of flexibility. It can be used to note and measure some fractional attainments, and can accept some skipping and mixing of non-linear development patterns, while still offering some definite levels of meaningful achievement for comparisons.
Nor does the new scale have to terminate at the edge of the galaxy, or proceed to such degrees as beggar the imagination. At Type Eleven, the colonization of another galaxy, and at Type Twelve, the colonization of the whole local group of galaxies is enough, while further expansion into the greater Super Cluster and beyond may be designated by more numbered levels. These do however go so far beyond the imagination that those technologies would likely appear magical to our sensibilities. And any further would simply involve the acquisition of the entire knowable Universe.
It seems probable that, at some point, even before we claim the far reaches of our own galaxy, we are likely to discover another intelligent, civilized and space-faring species and learn not only whether the scale is truly useful, but have the realization that we must share the Cosmos with our neighbors. And that will be a clear answer to one of the oldest questions we have ever thought to ask.
If you wish to adopt and promote this revised scale for the comparison of developing civilizations and space-faring technology, you may be my guest. I ask only that you acknowledge and attribute it to its source, and name it the "Makarios Scale." Makarios means "Blessed" in greek, and any species and civilization that this scale would measure should be well aware of their blessings.
And I thank you for your patience and kind consideration. Shalom. I published this in September 2020, in my own obscure little blog:
www.emunahechad.blogspot.com
The Kardashian - GIRL power
Is this from scholarly research or is it just something you made up yourself?
You're smart and a good teacher, subscribed
Brex easy on the eyes, too!
Earths civilisation may not be type 1 civilisation, but we are pretty much type 1 diabetic
Joe Wilson
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What is that supposed to mean?
Not the world. Just America. Stupid burgers.
Type 1 diabetes is genetic.
I thought this video was new until 15:42
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Great video.
I had an Instant idea the very moment you talked about the heat problem of a solar covered palet Type I civ.: SPACE RADIATORS!!! Imagine we could build something like a giant Radiator that takes the unwanted heatwaste, and dissipates it into space.
Like the Radiators onboard the ISS but on a Planetary scale. They would cool the atmosphere, not mere buildings.
I imagine a Type I civ. would be able to figure this out, if they´re able to build megastructures like planetcovering solarpanels.
Sounds to me that type 1 is interplanetary, type 2 is interstellar, and type 3 is intergalactic.
a very simplistic way of describing that is very accurate.
Supposedly we cant go faster than light speed, it would take a long time to reach that speed also, and isnt the closest solar system like 23 light years away? Which would take 23 years to reach. Wouldnt be able to carry the fuel or food needed to reach that. Just a thought. Im no pro
@@Trollociraptor qell thats just how much they would age right? But it would still take the 23 years
@@danimal865 Alpha Centauri is a little more than 4 light years away, it's our closest neighboring solar system I believe.
@@LenHarms thanks, im just getting into this whole space subject. Its a lot to take in. Lol
I'd say: Colonize a frozen world, absorb/use the solar power efficiently, have the dissipated heat make the planet more habitable.
We shall cover _Mars_ in solar panels!
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Saiya-jin 1 to 6
Angels 7 😇
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Almighty God 9 😇
Humans type 2.5+ after 2026 by Kalki Ironman (christ in the white horse)(son of man on clouds) type 7 and 8 😎
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Power source quantum energy arc reactor (type 7) level technology 😎
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Kalki Ironman going to have sun in a box million billion tons of hydrogen nuclear fusion reactor type 2 3 4 5 just like sun and stars in the palm of his hand 😎
This all going to happened by self replicating quantum nanobots knowledge energy and techniques at type 7 7 7- respectively 😎
Ironman (Tesla 2.0) going to reveal every secrets of the world specially Tesla and his Antigravity 😎
@@Ironcammandoo Tf does this even mean? I'm so confused.
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Your active support structures could act as giant heat exchangers. In fact I believe you could use glycol as an active support substance if you really wanted.
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This, is a type 1 civilization...
And this..
*builds sun powered super weapon*
Is to go even further beyond!
Yeah i can't see humanity being able to not destroy themselves with that much available potential for weaponry
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Seeing as how more nukes have made the world a lot more peaceful, that might actually scare humanity into being united.
@@hyperion3145 it already did unite humanity its called a shadow government... there basically already is no borders. its a circus of division while They Rule
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I would definitely argue that a Type I would necessitate the civilization be multi-planetary. But Kardashev's quantification of the classification requiring 100% consumption of local stellar energy directed at a planet is extremely variable, as if we think about it while assuming extraterrestrial non-human civilizations exist then applying this rule to a civilization which may have developed around a lower output star lowers the bar considerably for them, not to mention if the civilization inhabits a planet with a significantly different atmospheric composition. So Kardashev's criteria is a good starting point, but I would think needs to be refined, or at least thought of differently. A multi-planetary Type I civilization maybe need consume 100% of planetary stellar radiation reception for their planet of origin but utilized across their entire civilization? This fits still within the rule, as a multi-planetary Type I which consumes 100% of stellar radiation on each individual planet has a total consumption greater than 100% of a single planet's reception, pushing it beyond a Type I and well on its way to a Type II.
The possibility of achieving type 1 civilizations would also be change drastically by how said civilization views energy. A lot of energy on Earth is wasted for things that have no direct benefit. TV, concerts, video games, etc. (I’m saying this assuming it’s possible for a civilization that doesn’t require entertainment to exist) Imagine if a civilization use all the materials, time, and money put into video games out into something that how more benefit when it comes to goal like becoming a type 1 civilization
@@crow2989 ... so not even a 0.1 increase? People vastly over estimate the amount of resources spent on developing and creating games and gaming systems. IT's mostly coding and growing complexity of the coding. I use the original xbox as an example of the progression. Using Halo 1 to Halo 2's visuals. Just figuring out how to do so much more from a programming level lead to massive increases in visual quality.
They didn't invent optical processors to get that. They didn't need super computers to barely do it. Entertainment is literally one of the reasons why humans have developed mentally to strongly. Anyone that has seen people excessively impoverished or bored create things out of literal unusable scraps knows that the need for mental stimulation(entertainment) is almost more important than food or water.
@@HidForHG you missed the point of what i was trying to say. I wasn’t suggesting getting rid of just video games. I was suggesting that getting rid of everything related to pure entertainment and spending all time being productive towards a single goal of becoming a type 1 civilization. No Movies, no board games, no video games, no sports, no hiking, no vacations, no junk food, no hobbies, etc. A civilization entirely focus on learning and advancing its technology. The concept of fun is non existent as the your purpose to exist is to contribute to the advance of technology. The amount of resources the civilization would need to get higher up the technology tier list would be less than what we would need because they would be much more efficient with their resources. The concept of a single person owning 5 mansions wouldn’t exist, everyone lives in a small room with their basic needs and nothing more. This would basically be a hive mind type civilization. This is unlikely to ever be a real type seeing as intelligent beings on earth need entertainment as mental stimulation. All i was saying is that a different type of civilization with different views and goals that has no need for entertainment would need less resources than us to become a type 1 civilization has they would be far more efficient with their resources available.
@@HidForHG I think you missed the point they were making
We need only some terawatts of power to be type 1 acc. To the equation.
Ever tried to integrate corriolus/rotational issues with a death star type structure?
Option 3: We find a way to siphon off more heat into space. If we are suppose to control the weather as a type 1 civilization (in the original), that means we should be able to control the temperature anyway.
option 4: We manipulate the atmosphere so that it becomes more reflexive (maybe just for certain wavelengths)
Option 5: We find a way to transfer heat (ideally to a planet that needs heating for terraforming) by some special form of artificial wormhole.
Being level one civilization doesn't mean that we should consume that amount of energy on our home planet itself. It simply means the consumption of energy by that civilisation... Be it a factory base seated on its moons or asteroid belts or some artificial space structure.
indeed the only way to become type 1 is to be multi-planetary and type 2 by being multi- system
It also doesn't mean all the energy has to come from the star. Fission, fusion, and more sci-fi type power sources would probably produce the bulk of the energy for a burgeoning Type I civilization.
@keshav kumar Yep, I thought the same, our moon can be the solution 👍
@@Kilen_BE not large enough
Maybe we should send all of our companies to moon or something. Because of the fact that they will be automated, we wont need to send any workers there, only some engineers.
I’ve never wanted a video not to end so much in my life
Fusion power has made leaps and bounds! Incredible technology
The main thing this discussion is missing is that the temperature difference (via albedo adjustment) is that that's the temperature of the shell itself AND the perfect absorber is also a perfect transmitter (Kirchov's Law) not only would be have a comparatively cool underside to the collection medium, but a lot of that thermal energy would be transmitted back out into space when it was on the night side. So assuming your math is correct we'd be looking at only half that as a starting point (nominally) as only half the planet would be absorbing at a time and the other would be emitting.
Not to mention that a lot of that thermal energy would naturally be converted to energy that was used elsewhere, like the moon, (through chemical production/propellants/batteries/lasers/whatever).
Yes, it would be a challenge, but merely an engineering challenge of large scale, which, if we got to the point of having 100% solar encapsulation, it's fairly safe to assume we're prepared for the undertaking of large scale engineering problems.
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Potentials by Maximum Extraction
Wind/Wave - 1800 TW [6:43]
Tidal - 3.7 TW [7:15]
Geothermal - 47 TW [7:30]
Nuclear - 5x10^28 Joules [9:25]
Solar - a Dyson Sphere [10:14]
Blackhole - let’s ask CERN?
A black-Hole is unlikely to PRODUCE energy . More likely take it away . Along with all the Matter constituting the Planet .
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Humans 0
Saiya-jin 1 to 6
Angels 7 😇
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Almighty God 9 😇
Humans type 2.5+ after 2026 by Kalki Ironman (christ in the white horse)(son of man on clouds) type 7 and 8 😎
Jarvis the world’s first artificial intelligence (parrot) 😎
Cuz Kalki is ironman batman super saiya-jin superman ben10 saitama optimus prime shaktimaan and every super heroes combined after 2026 😎
Jarvis world’s first artificial living being (just like vision in marvel universe)😎
Made of Quantum and sub quantum particles 😎
Power source quantum energy arc reactor (type 7) level technology 😎
Kalki Ironman going to have every kind of arc reactor like:- type 1 Nuclear fission, nuclear waste, hydrogen fusion, type 2 3 4 5 antimatter arc reactor (solid liquid gas), type 6 electro quantum arc reactor, and type 7 Quantum arc reactor, type 8 limitless quantum energy arc reactor without quantum particles 😎
Kalki Ironman going to have sun in a box million billion tons of hydrogen nuclear fusion reactor type 2 3 4 5 just like sun and stars in the palm of his hand 😎
This all going to happened by self replicating quantum nanobots knowledge energy and techniques at type 7 7 7- respectively 😎
Ironman (Tesla 2.0) going to reveal every secrets of the world specially Tesla and his Antigravity 😎
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While watching the video I got to the part of you talking about the conservation of energy and how the planet would heat up if we we're to take on all the energy needed to be a type I civ. Then I paused it and went on 20 minute rant to myself about not needing to be single planetary and sending energy to the moon and mars would still make us type I. The benefit being we need to heat them anyway, and the moon already has no atmosphere, so excess could just be vented.
Cold fusion!
We need to make more energy, my lifes purpose is now clear.
dry humor. but intelligent. thumbs up
i missed the punchline on this, can someone explain?
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2 takeaways:
1) Yes, in my mind, it wouldn't make sense that a Type1 would not be multiplanetary, on one side you have all the issues you mentioned, on the other there's the case of what would we use that energy for if we aren't even ferrying cargo across planets. It looks like we might be mutiplanetary in the next 100y. Not as likely to be type I before that. And the logic would go for a type2, surelly they would have multiple star systems at their disposal rather then completely harvesting a single star. Very risky to experiment in a planet/star if it's the only one you have.
2) We would probably want to recycle our energy. As you said, the energy isn't wasted it's converted into kinetic energy. Rather then build a giant fan to cool it down, build a giant "fan" (read, wind turbines) to harvest that warmth (and cool it back down as a biproduct)
Imagine the following experiment: a 1m cube in vaccum. at the bottom there is a computer, and as it uses energy it warms the air around it, causing the now warm air to flow upwards and the cool air to flow downwards. Now place 2 wind turbines that capture the energy of said air moving both upwards and downwards. The process of using electricity by the computer provides an opportunity to harvest more power. Not claiming that you will get a 100% recyclable system, but if you could recycle 50% of the consumed power, that would mean that every 1 watt of power harvested from the sun would produce 2 watts of power before being released back into the planet. With a 90% recycle rate it would give us an entire order of magnitude: 1 watt harvested = 10 watts used before it leaves the planet's control
Fusion and some sun shields to reduce the warm up seems to be only way to go.
I was just about to say 'any type 1 civilization is going to inhabit more then one planet or body in their system' but I see you beat me to it.
O'neal cylinders... Habitats everywhere.... getting people off of planets (or even better, energy-intensive industry) off of the planet solves a whole lot of problems, and makes Extinction pretty unlikely as well.
o'neal cylinders are also highly impractical. quite silly and ridiculously impossible. It would basically take a couple space rocks (moving at 30,000 KM/H) the size of a basketball to completely destroy the entire structure.
@@jeschr3462 not if you armor it appropriately, like we did with the ISS, lol
Might I suggest The Culture novels, written by Iain M. Banks?
The Culture is a great example of a Type 3 civilization. An actual utopia.
One mans utopia anothers distopia
They call themselves a Level 8 civ and I’ve always wondered based on what?
It’s not explained in the books as far as I remember.
Though it is amusing when an upstart level 5 or 6 want to tangle and the culture downplay their abilities
I love the affronters 😂
Handsome Cab I remember reading in Player of Games that the Azad Empire, which was around Level 6, wanted to invade the Culture. Now they had very little way of knowing what they were really up against, but it's hilarious none the less.
Simon Tran I vaguely remember that book. It was like communist China or something.
Or rather old school ChiCom.
I must find it again.
Have you read the excession?
Go Man
Future technology will create technology
Space elevators are a thing people talk about. Wouldn't building some (however many it might take) over the near future with some way to exhaust the excess heat built up through all this energy collection be a possibility? The heat itself being used to power said elevators?
May be: If we add an additional scale "efficiency" of using the energy, than from some point the growth in efficiency will pick up compensating the decline in consumption of energy, due to various reasons like, not having technical capabilities in this particular direction or having another targets, like - not increasing the temperature and ultimately reaching the same point of controlling the same amount of energy. There is another possibility as well like increasing the communication and logistics technology that allow to spread one civilisation less dense in more space that can also increase the amount of controlled amount of energy by one civilisation. May be with more controlled energy our self-perception and our targets will change and will be not measured any more by energy consumption. But today are :) I think as well that speed of consumption of energy plays the role and it is interesting how it effects the dynamics of controlling the energy.
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If we consider basking in the sun, growing plants for food and keeping the wildlife as things we want, this should also be considered as consuming the energy from the sun.
A bit hard to calculate the amount of energy for this, I know.
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I hereby identify as a member of a Kardashev type I Civilization... and on a side note Kardashev got autocorrected to Kardashian 🤦♂️. We got a long way to go.
Rosendo Carrillo if you identify it I am obligated to shift my reality to fit your feeling so congratulations you have single handedly pushed us into the future.
Man, I completely forget about accounting for the heat energy that would effect the atmosphere by becoming more energy efficient. It seems like colonizing other planets and moons makes more sense than trying to stay on Earth. Awesome video!
Kyle Gruber That’s too bad. I like it here, it’s where I keep all my stuffs...
>"It seems like colonizing other planets and moons makes more sense than trying to stay on Earth."
You do know most planets are sterile for a reason, right? Martian "soil" is toxic, Venus' surface is a furnace and moons lack gravity, etc.
@@salted6422 you know what makes Mars' soil toxic? It's chlorine. You know what we know how to do? Neutralize chlorine. Venus is the wrong direction to travel. We don't need gravity once we've figured out how to prevent bone density loss in microgravity. You're asking the easy questions that science can solve.
@@InvntdXNEWROMAN how is any other planet better than earth ? Stop the fantasizing and love you're planet before it too late
@@dennisthemenace855 it's human nature to want to explore the unexplored. Mankind traveled throughout the continents in search of the unknown tens of thousands of years. Our solar system is the next logical step. & with any exploration, we further our technology; with new discoverys, we further our understanding of the universe. While it's also human nature to be scared to leave comfort, such as yourself, there are others out there who crave it.
Best hope for the future would be to go the other way, and work out how to get by reducing the amount of energy you need by becoming far more efficient.
I would say an easy way around the heating issue is to make the species multiplanetary and distribute the power consumption between the different civilizations within the solar system.
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Stellaris players: *Heavy breathing intensifies*
Hyperion omg yes
Lol
Stellaris achived becoming a type1 with nuclear power and the second suggestion in this video (energy generation on other planets)
Hello, thank you for the great video. What about this option.
1. Launch satellites that orbit the sun.
2. These satellites will use the solar and heat, maybe even the star's fussion.
3. This energy would be stored on huge batteries onboard the satelite.
4. Once batteries are at capacity, the satelite either: 5. a) Travels back to earth to deliver the energy.
5. b) Transmits the energy back to earth either via radio waves (simmilar to Nikola Tesla's methode of transmitting electricity via antenna) or
5. c) Transmit energy to earth via laser beam.
Of course energy captured from sun has to be greater than energy used to deliver satellite to and from orbit.
Once again thank you, and sorry in advance if the question is silly.
The waste heat is more usable energy, just in a different form. We just need an efficient way to concentrate, transform and/or transport it. If we discover an efficient enough thermo-electric effect that energy can go into food production, supplying base load power or in materials production, free industrial furnaces for all, and the conservation of energy is maintained.
Also if you have a global structure that is only being heated by 47TW's/ large sections of it will probably need active heating anyway.
Humanity shall become star bound as long as we don’t destroy ourselves.
Let's hope nobody declare independence by dropping and empty O'Neill on Earth and then send troops to occupy it.
@@Joshua_N-A and i hope there is no operation named british
@@notthatthenamematters6163 or a hole in Australia.
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Regarding that question at the end, how to sidestep the issue of warming up the planet in the process: as far as I know, Kardashev didn't say that the energy must be consumed on-planet, just that it had to be consumed by the civilisation. We could have our factories in space, and that would count towards our energy expenditure. Same for the mining drones in the Kuyper belt. For that matter, the terraforming equipment on or around a promising colonisation target. Even if it's in a different solar system and nobody lives there yet. Or the various fleets of science vessels out in interstellar space. Or that huge armada, should we manage to piss off the wrong alien civilisation. None of these would contribute to warming the planet, but they do count towards our "Kardashevness".
I've always tried to imagine what higher level civilizations would be like. The theoretical type omega civilization for example would use an entire universe. From the perspective of us they would be basically gods. And I don't mean that lightly, they would literally be gods by any definition. If such a civilization exists they could have actually created our universe as a power source and could have done so multiple times. The capabilities of such a society (if you could even call them that at that point) would be truly unfathomable.
Dark energy is the waste product of an Omega civilisation
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I have been a long time fan of the idea of travel into outer space. I love science fiction and the creative futures imagined. And I love the explorations real science is making into the cosmos. The unbelievable immensity of our universe is awe-inspiring and humbling. Discussions like this are facinating and I am excited that David Kipping is doing the rigorous calculations needed to really explore these ideas.
However, it is becoming more apparent to me that these dreams of space travel and future civilizations which utilize huge amounts of energy may also be the death of those things which make this planet so beautiful (and life sustaining). I recently learned that that my carbon footprint for taking 2 round trips airplane flights across the US continent was equal to all the heat, electricity and water I consume in a year. Wow! As an American, my carbon footprint is already way above the world average. I wonder what the carbon footprint of a trip to the moon is? What is the carbon footprint of simply launching a satellite? You can't get something for nothing (1st law of thermodynamics).
The idea of being a Kardashev type 1 civilization sounds horrible if we have to live in completely artificial enclosures, air conditioned and not able to see the sun. No sunsets? No running freely on the beach, or exploring a forest and all the smells and colors and sounds of the varied life around you? No wind in your hair? Even the small technological advances of today have repercussions. If you knew that upgrading your cellphone every 3 years would mean the extinction of the polar bears, would you accept that? Someone please do the calculations. I fear that most people do not realize the impact each of these "advances" of society has on our planet. The ideas of ever increasing GDP, ever increasing energy consumption and technological growth are out of balance if they do not take into account the impact to our now fragile planetary ecosystem. This planet is the most amazing one we know of - it supports our life without a spacesuit! And it's beautiful. Let's make taking care of it the first priority, and technological advances secondary. I believe we may still realize some of our SciFi dreams, but let's not sacrifice life on this planet to do it. I think the Kardashev system of civilization "sophistication" is bonkers. To me, highly advanced civilizations understand the complex balances of life, and work to sustain biodiversity and ecological health. They wouldn't destroy life, simply to go fast and far in their spaceships.
I'm curious of your thoughts on this everyone...
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If we even manage to become such an advanced civilisaction, we will also find a way to live beside animals and other life. We will also have nice places and Fun. No human wants to live anywhere where they dont feel happy. So no worries, Everything will be fine, if we become a Kardevesh I civilisation. But maybe not, if we manage to destroy earth before that, with war and climate change. Then maybe most of life on earth will be terminated, and we wont be able to become so advanced. So dont litter, and dont eat products with palmoil! (sry for mistakes, I learned english in school)
nothing to worry about, the planet will go up in smoke just like it did 66 million years ago. Existence gives no fucks about human evolution. Plus we have some hungry egos that desperately want to put their foot on Mars and do space tourism and stuff. There's big money in there. To tell you a secret, I don't think we'll make it to type 1 civilisation because our survival instinct is too strong to let us live in peace and we'll end-up killing each other or making this planet into a shit-hole before you know it. It is highly probable that most forms of life hosted on other plants didn't manage to get past their ego and so they self destruct hence no alien contact so far, albeit there are some fuzzy flying saucer video filmed mostly in the times nobody had smartphones. It's not that I have up hope but people like you and me are very few. Most people trust that their mind are going to solve all of their problems so they enslave themselves to their minds thinking that "If only we would have more technology and control". People that make the big decisions also are driven by their egos and the masses are dumbed down with cheap entertainment fast food so the structure of population is for the most part 80% ignorant idiots, 19% opportunists with hungry egos and the 1% who are dreamers and can't get anything moving.
"Saving" the planet is a loosing battle. Actually there is no planet to be saved. Mother earth akin more to a vagina. it's a self regulating organism. There are mechanisms in place which regulate each other and the human species at the moment is a parasite which goes against the bio-habitat that buit its DNA so humans will keep on destroying nature until something's gonna flip. I see this planet like the human body. One can abuse his body in ignorance by not resting properly, eating crap food, smoking, drinking but when the first cardiac arrest comes in it's all going down from there.
Sometimes I listen to people talking about how Elon Musk is such a genius that he's going to go to mars and establish a colony there. And I'm like: You fucking idiots. There is no air there, there is no grass there, nothing to eat, everything has to be controlled and maintained artificially. On this planet you can pick up a fruit from a tree and eat it. I don't understand what are these people thinking. But it goes on to show the level of ignorance humanity is at and how crowds are following these insane egoistic idiots. People who are at the top, people who decide to make these investments do so because we gave away our power. When we buy something we invest in that person. this is one thing people don't realise. We don't just buy stuff from amazon, we invest in guys like Bezos or Musk and so on. In order for the society to change people need to change their value system and look for more consciousness in their leaders . . .but we know who our leaders are.
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Balance is the ultimate goal
@@florinmoldovanu The preponderant likelihood is that we will continue at this petty place. That's our plight, more of the same! If you're looking for agreement, read MACROSCOPE by piers anthony. The biggest error in your writing is ascribing thinking to what most people are doing. It's not thinking, it's just having thoughts. The knee-jerk activity that occurs around an idle mind is like a car idling at a stoplight. Nothing really going on. Just burning gas.
Phew, that was a close one. Reading the title and not having heard of the name Kardashev before, I first thought it was a fancy new term for Kardashian.
Great mind
Thought this said kardashian type one civilisation
I need more sleep
Always happens when I see the term too. I stopped trying to make my brain correct it :)
We can't even love one another as human beings, that's FIRST and foremost ....then we can THINK about moving forward
I did too! My eyes almost popped out their sockets in shame. 🤦🏻♀️ so glad it didn’t say that.
I guess societies will be measured by the size and curvature of their backsides.
God forbid!