Becoming a Kardashev-1 Post-Scarcity Civilization
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- The Kardashev Scale measures how powerful a high-tech civilization is, with K-1 indicating a advanced society able to call on all the power of their planet, which we often envision as a Post-Scarcity Utopia. Is this the future of Humanity? And if so, how can we achieve it?
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Becoming a Kardashev-1 Post-Scarcity Civilization
Science & Futurism with Isaac Arthur
Episode 263; November 5, 2020
Produced, Written, and Narrated by Isaac Arthur
Editors:
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Missed opportunity not calling this series 'Keeping up with the Kardashevs'
But then we would not be in need of something.
I was so confused when i read the title as Kardashians
Playlist title!
Those losers don't need any free publicity.
What.. ? Nah ... fame and fortune, and its drama isn't for me.. nope..
I guess I am a complicated person who is immune to those kinds of things 🤪...
I 100% misread the title as saying "Becoming a Kardashian-1 Civilization" and was so confused at what you were doing haha
Keeping up with the Kardashev 1 Civilizations.
Fabulous outfits for EVERYBODY!
@@leonardpearlman4017 and plastic booty
I did the same and assumed he was experimenting with some medications.
Actually I would like to live in a Post Kardashian society ;)
2:36 that pun is out of this world
Kosmo agrees
Arf, she said.
That pun was kind of a dog, if you ask me.
2:34 is when it starts.
Uh-oh, Isaac's using corny puns. This year has been ruff on all of us though, so it's ok.
LOL, "we had to ban the use of the term K-10 civilizations on our FB forum..." Now that's a K-1 civilization problem...
Sounds like a self-actualization issue. A promotion of prejudice.
dan smith oooooof you did him dirty lol.
Makes me think of binary: K-1, K-10, and K-11 civilizations as they would be called.
That's a very wholesome problem to have. Love it!
oh god you wrote this in August 2020? That's like five years ago in this timeline.
Good job it wasnt written now it would have been "how can we turn our post apocalyptic society of a -100 Kardashev back up to our current Zero level".
He works elections, I'm pretty sure he had a good idea then that chaos was likely given this episode's release date.
@@AKlover Though my own district went very smoothly for conducting the election, all things considered, must be the insane amounts of prep time and training we've adopted in recent years :)
@@isaacarthurSFIA WI is getting recounted, AZ is likely to flip, and massive fraud in MI and PA. Sorry to get political.
@@AKlover There is no evidence of fraud, but trump and his transvestite lawyer interfering in elections is a criminal offense.
Isaac, this hope is what we need right now
His optimism has always been refreshing
This therapeutic video comes at just the right time.
Indeed!
no doubt
Thanks
K-9 civilization: "Ruff-ruff"
Wow wow wooooooooooooooooooooo
There is only 3 levels gives by Russian...
@@WadcaWymiaru Level 4 would be the universe I guess, then Level 5 would be all of this vector system then level 6 would be our dimension level 7 our plane of existence... Depends how many levels there actually are
One for the Doctor Who fans.
@@Amadeus8484
What are you talking about? See:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
only *THREE* levels!!!
Asimow add the new, they are NON-CANON!
"...save for years for a trip home.."
Crap. I live in the past.
"You can never go home again." - Thomas Wolfe
Just like Genghis Khan's trip back home from Europe, only this is shorter.
I read that as becoming Kardashian, truly a grim future.
In the grim darkness of the far future, there are only Kardashians
Thats exactly where we're headed though. Scary indeed.
Genetic engineering to make us all Kardashians. That is disturbingly plausible.
As he only got 60,000 votes, the mandatory becoming a Kardashian has been taken off the table, until at least 2024 so there is still time.....
The part about individual education was really comforting to me because I often think that education is what is keeping many people from realizing their potential. Individualized education could really maximize learning based on brain development and our grandchildren could very likely be far more effectively educated regardless of family income. Never thought about that until now! Thank you!
I think one thing that could make it easier to reach a post-scarcity civilization would be restructuring society to prioritize that. Stuff like making sure the Maslowian needs we can fill are filled for everyone. And if it's one that can't be directly filled, at least an opportunity would be provided.
Edit to add what I forgot to mention: hopefully it'd be done without being authoritarian about it tho. Gotta make that life worth living too lol.
tbh we have the capability to give people all over the world their baseline need, but it's just not profitably.
@Almost blank I mean I don't mean to take away from cool tech that'll make that even easier. Just that this would also help a whole bunch lol
And yeah Spaceboy has it right on why it hasn't been done yet :/
We already do that in most of the world. Free markets are absolutely brilliant at it. The key is they are the essence of opportunity. No command economy or top down structure of distribution could even begin to compete. The only real exception is catastrophe, both natural and man made. The re engineering necessary is to get the governments and big institutions to back off instead of intervening. To become more advisers than dictators. And to make more room fir small enterprises, so people can respond and prosper according to their local needs and peculiar solutions.
We need to get rid of interest.
@@shorewall I might say cap it at least.
the lazy post scarcity is probably one of the classic pitfall of extrapolation. Today, if you get unlimited money, you would go to the beach, since currently that is something most people want to do, but cannot. But if you can do it whenever you want it, it suddenly become dull and uninteresting, most probably what we consider today hard and uninteresting job, will become a recreational hobby from the all day doing nothing, yes, nobody ill do it for years all day, every day, but they will do.
Like yes, i could tell the robots and the economy to build my backyard, and it would happen in a day or two, perfectly tailored, but we will want to do it ourselves, just becouse we could, we will waste time and resource, but the post scarcity will com from the ability to waste time and resource on this (and anything else) if we want.
If you get unlimited money you get unlimited inflation
@@noori2105 Clearly it's not literal
@@noori2105 Indeed but think of it as power and the ways to use, plus the resources. With enough you can make everyone live in a front to sea mansion.
The point about the beach is definitely true. I have lived next to the beach for several years and have only been a handful of times.
Elon Musk , Bezos and all the other billionaires can go to the beach everyday, yet they do not..
Correction: A. C. Clarke’s first published novel was “Sands of Mars” 1951, his first novel was “Prelude to Space” 1947 (published 1953)-
I hope I live long enough to see this happen.
Probably won't, but one can hope.
If you aren't much over 40, you have a decent chance. We are close to reverse aging, and that eliminates like 90% of the things that would normally kill you. The rest is mostly man made, like pollution, and we will have to deal with that anyway.
The fun thing about life extension is that in the extra years you get science advances and longer life becomes possible, and you can theoretically repeat that forever. Only the first step is hard. But fortunately a healthy lifestyle alone can give you a few extra decades, which is a very long compared to how fast science technology advances.
@@andrasbiro3007 I'll bet you any amount you'd like that we're not anywhere near as close to reversing ageing or achieving imortaltality as you and the chanel think we are. If I'm wrong, find me and collect your winnings in 500 years.
@batista and if it does happen, come see me in 500 years. If you turn out to have been right, I won't have anything to complain about having to paying you.
@batista
It actually can. The leading causes of death are mostly lifestyle related. It's incredible how fast an unhealthy lifestyle can kill you. If you do it really wrong, you can kill yourself by age 60. If you do it right, you can live to 100 or more. Of course genetics have a significant role too, but you can overcome most genetic issues with lifestyle and medication in the worst case.
The two main enemies are sugar and lack of exercise.
@@jesseberg3271
You are grossly underestimate how close we are and how fast technology advances. For example, czcams.com/video/QRt7LjqJ45k/video.html
I believe that the biggest obstacle to humanity becoming a post scarcity civilization is the reality that greed is not self-regulating. The most successful among us in accumulating wealth and status can be relied upon to resist useful resource distribution with all the power they can muster.
We've been doing a lot of thinkin' about this same thing. How can we manage our politics to allow accumulation of capital without allowing accumulated capital to run the show? Good questions without solid answers - but you hit the nail on the head as to the issue.
The problem is that we probably can not prevent the accumulation is the goal for some. Then we have to start with advanced DNA modification and then we are in very dangerous areas, because it depends on who decides what the modification should look like.
Another problem is that psychopaths have characteristics that make it easier for them to end up in positions of power and they see other individuals as resources for their own well-being.
In practice, it is psychopaths, criminals and other evil elements who set the rules of the game.
Get rid of interest.
It may be that we need to find a way to redefine what constitutes “status”. Status has become so entwined with the accumulation the economic assumption that the marginal dollar has the same value for everyone has lost its meaning. To the poor parent that dollar could potentially feed a child for a day. To the wealthy elite it isn’t worth stooping to pick it up off the ground. To them money is mainly a way of keeping score. We must learn to appreciate the art in labor, be it laying a perfect line of bricks or creating a slick bit of code. We must uncorrupt today’s definition of what “self-actualization” has become.
I love the channel's optimism, but this is what worries me. I can picture a K-2 civilization that chooses to still have poverty: not because there's a need for it, but because it allows those at the top to achieve their higher needs for comparative status.
Isaac expressing optimism for post-scarcity in our lifetime made me feel real hope for the first time in a long while. thank you!!!
I think being able to control the weather, the tides, ocean currents, and tectonic movements should count as K1, as that means you are effectively able to control how that energy is used and deployed, even if not electricity purposes.
6:40 - i remember a time where if you would put up videos like you do now, i would download your video through the night because phone is cheaper and then watch it at a chosen time in the day with my drink and a snack... and that video would be one of few things i would download from the internet a week to keep the phone bill low.
And i am 34.. i've lived through phone connection scarcity..then post scarcity of that.. invention of the internet, scarcity of the internet then post scarcity of internet...
( and not to mention post scarcity of processing power of computer i watch internet on.. processing power post scarcity is being able to have more than one tab in browser opened or more than one program opened at the same time.. )
Absolute post scarcity can not come from technology or industry as you can always ask for more than the universe. Absolute post scarcity (once you have decent automation) is a philosophical outlook in which one discards materialism and every individual in a society sees that the most noble endeavor is to help his fellow man, and becomes content with their existence.
I think you just described the Truimvarat society from Space RPG 4. If you don't mind spending 1.99-3.00$ on a mobile game that you can play over and over again in different ways, I would recommend buying it. I've brought every title in the Space RPG series since the first Space RPG, and I'm not the type to usually buy mobile games. I would recommend starting with the earlier titles because 4 is the most superior title yet and once you play that one going back to play the others may not seem as appealing. It isn't necessary to play them in order though.
"Journey is as good as the destination"
*narrows eyes*
Life before death?
I was thinking the same thing!
Isaac may have just sworn his first ideal, my bet is on him bonding an elsecaller spren.
Glad to see others who have read Way of Kings
I found this channel about two weeks ago, when looking for information about O'neal Cylinders and since I've burned through damn near all your videos. These are made with more depth of detail and respect for your audience's intelligence than any other futurism channel I've ever seen.
Amazingly well done, man.
"some radiation-scorched wasteland full of violent lunatics"
WAR
WAR NEVER CHANGES
Imagine the books written on 2020 in 3145. It would probably consist of “what the f-k was wrong with us?!?!”. Great episode!!!
the tech exists the only thing that holds us back is greed and the need for more than the other guy. i feel that if we did things without thought about how much it costs wed be alot further along
So you want people to be enslaved.
@@MrNote-lz7lh what does ignoring cost have to do with enslavment? I merely mentioned the idea that the science and tech is available but its expensive and few people in charge ever want to spend money. The idea that the only thing you can think of as a solution is enslavment says more about you than it does about me.
Could you do an episode on post-infections civilization? - a very timely "ending-all-pandemics" theme. Meaning "post" in the same sense as "post-scarcity": probably never perfect or infinite but reducing viral and bacterial infections asymptotically toward zero.
This could start, along one line of attack, with ways to improve and accelerate vaccine and therapy trials; a progression from random vaccine trials to human challenge trials, to trials on artificial humans trials with some biological parts, to trials on simulated humans.
Along another line: Winning the arms race between bacterial and antibiotics.
Another: Manipulating and engineering bacteria and viruses, so they'll attack each other in a helpful balance and they won't attack us harmfully. Engineering them so they'll "infect" us benignly. Genetically engineering ourselves for immunities. Iterative adaptations against unintended consequences of these manipulations. Ways to enable our adaptations to come increasingly fast so the unanticipated consequences cannot outpace us; can we asymptotically reduce these risks toward zero.
Scientific ways of accelerating vaccine trials is probably the line of analysis that well arouse the biggest interest at this moment, since human challenge testing is right there on the public policy issue platter at this time; but the others can take us much farther into the future, and provide the perspective we needed for understanding this one issue in the larger context of development into the future.
We’re there already as far as the current boom in synthetic rna based vaccines, and emergency combination of phase two and three trials with concurrent tool up of mass production line facilities being done as Operation Warp Speed. This crisis spawned it, and it may be one of the bright spots in this time when we look back from the future. I’m interested in studying the incredible immune systems of alligators and crocodiles and whether that can be duplicated in human beings in the future. Right up there with telomerase and repairing our broken vitamin C genes.
The Soviets made some great research into bacterio-phages. The west went all in on anti-biotics, the USSR went all in on viruses that target specific bacteria. If you have access, their research should give you a nice head start.
@@jeffreyroot6300 There are already other ways to strengthen the scientific testing and further speed it up at the same time. There will be others. The progress in speed-up has been rapid; it is an indicator that we should keep plugging along this line, not imagine that we're at the end of the line.
@@susanmaddison5947 I agree in principle, but those phased trials are there for a reason. That’s why it took a crisis to bend the rules. I think the rest of the advances for a few decades will be technology rather than procedural. The one thing I hope for in the US at least is more leeway for trialing drugs off label and in extremis remedies for desperately ill. I have some experience with those.
Exactly. The advances are mostly technological. That's why the phased trials can be altered and sped some. It's also why human challenge testing, abandoned years ago for mostly bad reasons, can be resumed on a higher level today, using more advanced technologies, speeding things much further.
And that's why I want to see what Isaac Arthur, with his great capacities for vision into the technological future, would make of it.
voyaging the multiverse "smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!"
Ace Arthur... What a guy...
If you're interested, I'll be in my quarters at lunchtime, covered in taramasalata.
A welcome reference!
I do so enjoy the thoughtfulness of your work.
Thanks,
John
Just watched after digesting the results of the 2020 US Election. Imagine a leader who sought to achieve this. Imagine a President giving a moon shot speech like JFK... "We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people."
That was an awesome speech, but it would fall very flat in our days. We just don’t feel the urgency, and rhetoric is lost on the current generations. Remember that speech was effective because we were scared by the Soviets beating us to orbit and potentially threatening our very existence with Fractal Orbital Bombardment.
@@jeffreyroot6300 Yes and no.
America isn't part of the solution anymore. Late stage empires only innovate two things, mind control and genocide. It will be someone else who pushes us into K-1 status.
@@Amadeus8484 The US isn't an empire. And we do not conduct mind control and genocide.
No final result yet, and won't be for a while. Even when the counting is finished, there will be recounts, lawsuits and possibly even worse things.
I love these what if videos. More futurism and humanity what if s please.
Clever aligning this part of your channel with wef2020. I was thinking about doing it myself. Love your brain stretching exercises.
Thank you Arthur I look forward to and need your positive outlook every thursday
It's funny, I came about your videos early this year as they were genuinely interesting, relaxing and entertaining, but as this year has gone on I've been finding myself watching them because they give me hope, take me out of this horrible world we live in for just long enough to enjoy the possibility of a brighter future for a short time. Not to mention your videos on aliens have greatly helped me combat my mild paranoia that leaves me in a state of dread some nights.
If dogs ruled the Earth, they would have a K-9 civilization.
Vernor Vinge - The Children of the Sky
Stewie and Brian already went there.. ;)
Unfortunately with the behavior of most politicians, it's much more like a K-8 grade school
2020 has been a heck of a year is quite the understatement however we also don’t know how the future may pan out to be, this might be quite tame to what may come
I like that head labyrinth animation in a ironic kind of way since there isn't actually a way to escape the labyrinth depicted. This leads me to interpret it as an animation of anxiety/negative feelings locked in your head with no way to be released.
another great video. Also thanks for the reference to Childhoods End, read it 50 years ago, just went and bought it so I can read it again.
Do you have a video discussing adapting, psychologically, to post-scarcity?
I mean, a lot of our goals and major drives essentially come down to "Help secure yourself and those you care about."
With limitless abundance, and relative safety, it becomes nearly impossible to feasibly make any more progress on that "essential" goal. Even just today, people feel like there's...OK, let's back up like... half a year.
"Today," people feel that there is massive violence and lack of safety going on, even while by all possible measures, you couldn't choose a safer time in history. And the over-sensitivity to such minor "offenses," like the idea of someone disagreeing with you on the internet, is causing more discord and dread than...basically anyone from times where it was not so luxurious.
Pretty sure has. You'll probably find something in the "advanced civilizations" playlist.
There is a very good experiment (Universe 25) that was about seeing what happens when a society has all needs covered.
What happened was that reproduction dropped drastically, individuals quarreled with each other and stopped taking care of themselves or they isolated themselves and had excessive body care. After a few generations, the structure of society collapsed and populations went to zero.
Experiments were repeated several times with slightly different variables and always the same result. We have no bright future ahead of us.
Search the channel for "post scarcity civilizations"
@@niklasmolen4753 The Universe 25 experiments were designed to create conflict and problems. It was designed to make the mice psychology do destructive things. It was maximally optimized to fail. Not to mention people in a post-scarcity utopia would have robots, entertainment, immortality tech and other stuff.
@@johnbash-on-ger
Nowhere have I read or heard that Universe 25 was made to create conflicts. I have understood that it was about what happens when all basic needs are covered.
Having all the basic needs covered is unnatural. It causes the instincts to start working in areas they are not made for, and then we were a lot of destructive behavior. A large proportion of the population can not handle that situation, then robots and entertainment will not help. It only creates more opportunities for destructive / deviant behavior.
Three minutes late aaarrrggghhh. Happy birthday Issac, hard to believe it's been a year.
This channel has inspired me to pick my personal writing project back up again. I'm currently doing the world and character building for a sci-fi story. Earth and its sister planet both developed civilizations pretty much in parallel. The found out about each other when they began scanning the skies with radio telescopes, but couldn't really understand, lat alone reach each other until space programs were pretty well developed. Now, at least several centuries later, both are interplanetary and intermixed. Mars has been a multi-generational joint project to make it livable and it is, underground. The asteroid belt has been heavily colonized and industrialized, and that's where the main characters are when the reader encounters them.
Love how his videos are full of hope and how the future can and will be rather than dystopian.
Grew up in a rural area. I remember the part line. we had to share the same number with 3 families, Then we got our own phone number. our Farm was right on the County Line our neighbors was friends. It was a long distance call to call them on the phone. so we use our CBs to talk back or fourth,,,
Childhood's End is a wonderful, if not somewhat-chilling novel.
I wouldn't describe Childhood's End as optimistic. I would describe it as the closest thing Arthur C Clarke wrote to Lovecraftian horror.
I found "Childhood's End" to be extremely depressing, actually, though it is a good read nonetheless. And I wasn't the only one I know with that opinion. You have been warned.
I so enjoy listening to you speak, it’s fascinating, soothing, fun & it captures my attention, which gets my mind off of other subjects I’d rather not be thinking.
Appreciate you, your videos & that you share it all with us!🙏🏼😊
you work on these forever man. thanks so much for making every thursday awesome.
A K-3 civ would be one that builds a Dyson Swarm around its star, and then uses that energy to build a Stellar Engine, and then has the star start reversing course around the galaxy, with drones sent out as other stars start to get closer in order to build a Dyson Swarm and Stellar Engine around those as well, each getting pushed into formation around Sol. After a while, we'll be able to collect all of the stars in our galaxy into a literal Star Fleet, and then we'll move on to Andromeda.
@AKUJIRULE Other than just to do it? Because assuming we never get FTL communication, we'd have to manage our potential human empire with leaders that have a years-long time lag just to radio their neighbor. It's absolutely impossible.
But what if instead of traveling to other star systems to colonize them, we instead took Sol with us so that we never actually leave home? With solar engines helping us position them, how close could we pack our literal Star Fleet together, and how big could we make it? There's a lot of free real estate out there with our names on it, and by expanding like this, we'll never have to worry about the increase in population growth caused by living in a post-scarcity civilization.
And on top of all that, we can assume making galaxy-sized Star Fleets will be necessary just from how possible it is. Assuming the solution to the Fermi Paradox means we'll be able to colonize the entire galaxy without encountering aliens, we can assume that eventually some galaxy we'll come across has an alien that thought to do the same thing. If we haven't been collecting galaxies of stars, then how will we fare against an alien that can sortie and entire galaxy worth of spaceships, quickly, in an extremely compressed formation? Against a galaxy that just hopped from star to star willy nilly, the invaders would be able to have a hopeless large Defeat in Detail advantage.
Isaac, I have a question about the part about the challenges and expansion into space. As a society, people tend to have fewer children as we grow more developed and educated. How would this effect a post-scarcity civilization and could one of these society simply run out of people to expand outward?
happy to watch yet another one from Isaac Arthur.
Isaac your videos are so well done, they would impress two other Isaacs as well: Asimov and Newton ....thanks for your great work !!!
13:17 My Precious, 2020 edition.
Alterntive Tittle : An *Actual* Utopia or Closest to an Utopia
Sadly Star Trek forget that humans are designed to suffer. We are truly happy overcoming
adversity, what until recent years was part of normal life. Sadly our society stuck because in post-scarcity (in a way basement dwelling Z-gens are prototypes of that) humans are sad and miserable. It would demand huge social revolution if not straight augmentation to go over that issue.
PS: Kardashev scale suck. Whole thing was designed when people still did have primitive expansionist understanding of advanced civilization, when in reality highly advanced civilization can he shockingly efficient in energy and resource usage, not needing to expand at all.
Hey, I saw you on Nerdrage's HPL video.
@Almost blank Yeh, that is exactly my point. I just point toward problem ignored by most of optimistic SF. And as we already speak of that similar problem is with automation of industry. It is overall good thing, but services commonly don't suport idea that someone may not have work, for other reason then being lazy. Same as ignoring obvious fact that someone still need buy stuff from the market. Star Trek actually make that part in correct way.
Sadly, Utopias tend to be hell on earth places for those that not get a choice of whatever they want to live in them or not. Even the original Utopia are a place I rather stay away from. The TV series Firefly got they thing right.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Utopias are written as social analyze and potential warning from when things go wrong way. There are no hidden bottom here.
Your speech sounds so clear in this video, it's amazing how much it improved over the past year or two
I know. I barely notice any speech difficulties whatsoever.
Great episode!
I hope you'll do a dedicated episode about the newly-signed Artemis Accord.
We need Nuclear power, more specifically fusion. That said nuclear tech is never going to allowed or shared outside of first world countries. To elaborate further would just trip YT/GO's censor.
That means that latín america is first world? I mean, in argentina we have some nuclear plants I think.
@@joapercan6887 and so does egypt. Most of the world has nuclear power.
@@joapercan6887 True. However, Aklover is talking about nuclear fusion which is a newer technology which if successfully becomes the norm can make electrical energy almost for free for those who can access it. Take the ITER project for example. The power plants you are talking about use nuclear fission.
@@sergew84 But nuclear fission was distributed across the world, why nuclear fusion would be different?
First lol. Love it already. Happy Arthursday!
I love Childhood's End. I read it way too young, barely understood the ending, but it locked in my lifelong love for sci-fi.
This channel is really wonderful and bonds well with my deep appreciation for science and sci-fi. Thanks Isaac.
An ethos of treating others as you would like to be treated yourself would bring about post-scarcity in breathtaking speed, or even just disabling psychopathic self interest advantage taking systems would help, but these are so far away.
Get rid of interest.
It is the classic givers vs. takers evolutionary dynamic. The cooperative and non-cooperative members of the combined population will tend to be at some equilibrium ratio until a new mutation is selected for or the environmental parameters change.
When either population subset unbalances the natural equilibrium ratio, it will create a situation where the unbalanced subset is not selected for anymore. This creates environmental pressures that restore the population to the equilibrium ratio.
Too many takers, and they hurt each other in competition. Too many givers, and the takers get to prey on that bounty. A population without either subset will often mutate such that the opposing subset will be generated and then naturally selected for.
Its inevitable that there will always be so called good guys and bad guys, the givers and the takers. Using authoritarian methods to change the selection chances would be a constant fight against newly generated takers that are constantly preying on the giant population of nice folks.
Maybe we can suppress the ratio but we can never remove it. There will always be a point wear the profits get so damn good that no amount state intervention can suppress the activity.
@@roblaquiere8220 Simplistic dead end thinking.
I thought your bit about improved education contributing to post scarcity was going to segue into an advert for skill share.
cool ! Thanks Isaac for all the work you've been done!
Issac, you and your channel are indoubtly great resources for writing a proper SC-FI universe, as well as being a great food for brain.
Cheers from Poland, and have a great week!
Isaac, you're skipping over the best energy source in the known universe...
Going to Mars and harvesting the evil energies of Hell itself until a very angry man with a shotgun shows up and destroys everything because demons.
Yes I have been playing Doom. Why do you ask?
(Chugging Metal Riff Plays)
Wow! Last time I was this early I fathered a child!
Poppa?
Arthursday came early for me!! Got to watch the whole episode on my way to my crappy day job! Now I have something to look forward to in the future!
Always a pleasure! Thanks Arthur!
I have no doubt eventually we'll get there, the future I mean and all we can do is adding our piece of the puzzle here and there even when it goes unnoticed for a long time. One day people will pick up factory farming as a replacement of old ways of farming and instead use all agricultural land for carbon capture forests or animal reservations. one day we'll realise flying is not better then taking a train magnetically being pushed along a rail in a vacuum going just as fast. Today these technologies have many problems to solve but one by one they will be solved and one day I believe people will be ready to accept leaving behind old ways in favor of the new ways although it will likely take generations. Until then I believe the biggest most important task for all of us is to hold out for that day, waste less, promote green and less environmentally harmful solutions wherever possible because the biggest risk of a game over would be losing earth to out of control environmental change. In my oppinion.
Here is my basic contention with Isaac Arthur - whenever he speaks about societies and economies of the future, he leaves open all possibilities. But there are general trends, maybe even rules how economic and political structures coincide. It's called historical materialism. And any futurist exploration of a topic which leaves it out ignores the most powerful tool available to analyze the world.
Mostly true, but he himself speak that he does it because in enough cuantity almost all posible sistems can appear, and declaring some specific sistem will feel like himself pushing his own way of thinking of utopia
I generally reject Historical Materialism, for all the usual reasons cited
@@isaacarthurSFIA I generally stick to science. The most modern and scientifically updated version of historical materialism can be found in Paul Cockshott's "How the World Works".
The "usual" reasons cited to exclude Historical Materialism include both valid criticism but also a lot of ideological assumptions. So I really recommend getting the newest and most condense version of that theory before rejecting it.
I highly recommend Childhood's end. It's a story that is fundamentally about the longing of the human spirit and our undying desire to reach for the stars. Arthur C Clarke suggests with this beautiful book that when we put aside the more brutal and childish manners of our nature, we can truly live in peace. But there is one part of ourselves that will never die. And thats the part of us that dreams.
Wait, I'm still getting my snack and drink!
Love your work, thank you x
i have no idea what the title means but it sounds cool
I wonder if Isaac realizes that at various points he presented an image of a perfect communist society?
Yes and no. In a lot of those scenarios he presents people still own their own possessions and can do what they want., more or less. In a PERFECT communist society that would not be the case. Although at these levels of post scarcity the lines between capitalism, socialism, communism, and a million other -isms really start to blur.
At least communism is better than the fucked up American capitalism and lies......
@@shedrackejeh6542 Wtf. Communism killed more people by femine than hitler who wanted to kill all jews and slavs in europe.
Its pritty cool to think about that the kids you talk about at around 20 minutes in, will also be thinking of You Isaac Arthur. As I am convinced that many of your scenarioes and thoughtprossesses will have enden upp in theyr extensive curriculum 😊👍
Thanks for the episode Isaac
4:16 Sex is listed as a basic physiological need. sad virgin noise
I think it’s not really about sexual INTERCOURSE, but rather fullfilment of sexual desire. Masturbation fits in that.
He noted that the placement of individual items can be controversial. Given the various opinions in our society regarding sex, I'd imagine not everyone thinks that item belongs on the lowest tier.
Also, as Georgs stated, the lowest tier item would be about relieving a pressing physical need. The emotional needs met by sexual relationships would be on a higher tier.
Well as a psychologist i can tell you that sex itself can be bad interpretated, sexual needs can be since masturbation, fetishism and stuff in some way not full related to do with a partner.
It's even listed twice!
Happy asexual laugh! 😆😆😆
This future is looking less and less likely every day... feels bad man.
what do you mean ive always wanted to play fallout NV in real life
@@nikkity5491 but you get fo 76 instead
Historical perspective! These times feel unique because you may not realize we have been through this kind of thing before. The election has been outright stolen at least twice before. One had some long term positive benefits, the second was a tragedy that resulted in the Jim Crow era. We’ve had two outright dictators of Presidents, and we still suffer from their influences. What we are experiencing now is like 1968 on steroids, with a side of the plague. This, too, shall pass. Point being, it’s been even worse in our past. We are still here and still growing. Smile, love. Keep working, keep dreaming, learn and think!
@@papercrease7308 nope I’m seeing mr house wether you like it or not Benny
@@jeffreyroot6300 I think learning about history, and futurism, are so important for context in the present.
You did a great job on this topic, thank you.
Thanks for uploading despite your current business :) Makes my Thursday, as each week
for the quality of your videos, you get few views :(
He actually gets a bunch views, you just showed up early
@@spaceboy5412 make sense
It's all pipe dreams unless we can overthrow the you-know-whos.
Who?
Oy Vey!
People that prefer that we manufacture weapons and kill each others of in pointless wars then to invest in space exploration I presume.
Jews? Or do you have some more original pick? :D
@@jarlborg1531 Aren't you overtly concentrating on a symptom than underlying cause? Sure, you can point out to pushed cultural shift and which people are overrepresented on the lead. No objection here. Just this explanation is partial at best. It both fails to explain why those ideas are even remotely taken seriously by big swaths of people instead of being considered as a joke. Moreover, it fails to explain why comparable level of social pathology is being achieved in developed, non-Western nations like Japan.
You have absolutely PERFECT timing!
I'm a simple(yet complex) man I see an SFIA video I like! Also Morning Mr. Arthur I don't think I've been this early in ages. Hope all is well with you and yours, stay safe out there and take care! We need more people and more scientists like you in these uncertain and chaotic times. Gotta say I'm looking forward to the livestream this month as I finally wanna try getting your opinion on the Lockheed-Martin CFR project and how likely you think it'll be that it'll yield fruit before the mid to late 2020's. As well as your thoughts on why GM hasn't yet delivered on the fusion dream this year(Battletech nerds check in lol)
Building a Utopia usually ends up in a lot of people dying
Do a video on Presidential Elections in the future. Hope by then they can count the votes and count them right
We need a powerful AI that do not care a squat about what we do as long as we do not cheat in elections. It supervise millions of terminators guarding all polling stations, all with a hair trigger temperament towards cheaters moving them down with heavy weapons with no concern for collataral damage... 😄
@@michaelpettersson4919 I think that less stringent approach are within partisan game accused of being "voting suppression" ;)
This year I have become quite fascinated with the Kardashev Scale for a curious reason: The meditation teacher Brad Laughlin, whose youtube channel I subscribe to, is convinced that humanity will become a Level 1 civilisation in the near future and that other civilisations all over the Kardashev Scale are watching us at the moment. This video provides by far the most in depth analysis of what that will entail I have found on here, kinda like the "Deep Dive" version whereas Kurzgesagt's videos on how various science-fiction concepts could function IRL are the concise introductions for beginners. Many thanks!
That part where you said we run on Old Tech that is so true like our power plants the production process is pretty much unchanged they are just cleaner and
Omg that's a new one for me " navel gazing" thank you Issac I'm gonna use this one.
I feel like the first step is learning to count and apparently us Americans don't know basic math and have no capacity to count.
Or know the difference between a continent and nation, or when it's appropriate to speak for others.
In America knowing the correct answer is less important than feeling you have the correct answer.
What the fff happened it's 2020 and all we got is Facebook ffffing up democracy ..where's my long life pill and hoover car
@Isaac Arthur man I love your videos been watching one every night before bed, very interesting stuff. Thank you for making all of these!
Thanks for the episode~
Yeeeeesssshhh, give me that post scarcity fully automated luxury gay space communism!
Step 1. ACHIEVE FULL COMMUNISM COMRADES . KURYA !!!
Step 2. Idk
Step 3. Space
13:30 it's been 4 months since I've seen alfredo sauce in stores in Puerto rico
Peter F Hamilton's Void Trilogy is a pretty fantastic series that looks at life in a post-scarcity society.
Never happen. Unless some ingrained sense of honor and duty coupled with self discipline.... People will always be the weakest link.😕
People will be the weakest link, but for that same reason it's not probable that the people by itself will be the ones that keep the sistem working but the sistem itself. After all, if we have institutions that do things without ending in complete colapse constantly, the existence of even better ones doesn't mean colapse.
Not for long. Natural humans are becoming deprecated fast.
People talk about a post-scarcity civilization as though it's something that will exist in the future but cannot exist right now. That's incorrect, we could have a post-scarcity civilization right now, we are very capable of it, but the simple fact of the matter is that capitalism makes profit based upon scarcity and if scarcity does not occur naturally then it will be created artificially. To have a post-scarcity society we must first do away with capitalism.
The Kardashev scale originally was meant to describe the power of advanced civilizations, in particular, those that have achieved the ability of space flight. It uses a geometric progression based on the amount of power accessed by the species as it grows. The earliest emerging civilizations don't appear, except as fractional numbers, because their activity is not very significant on a cosmic scale. These only get a full count when they might be noticed by a theoretical "outside observer," as you will soon see. I am adding a few extra levels to the original three, since there was little use for that as a measuring stick to evaluate gradual progress. Let me start near the beginning, when the culture starts to reveal its potential significance.
Type One: "Novice"
(revised) intensive use of more than half of the planet's habitable surface area for urban dwelling, agricultural production, industry or resource extractive purposes. Oceans, ice caps and deserts are not typically considered habitable, although some oases may exist.
Type Two: "Unstable"
(revised) threatening the ecological health of the planet by careless practices, whether by stripping resources, excessive pollution, or loss of secondary species.
Type Three: "Emergent"
(revised) has acquired sufficient technology to make space flight and colonial ventures possible. Potential for mass self-destruction demands a quest for coexistence.
Type Four: "Maximized"
(original) Type One: intentional use of all the insolation received by the planet for food or power.
(revised) has accessed or made feasible all of the resources and energy available on the planet. Approaching a sustainable global regime for shared resources and political consensus or a tolerant balance of powers.
Type Five: "Outbreak"
(revised) has established self-sufficient populations, with trade routes, in multiple extra-planetary colonies, and continuing to spread. Industrial development of free-floating habitats, space infrastructure and specialized project construction begins.
Type Six: "Established"
(revised) has explored the entire stellar system in sufficient detail to map a super-majority of its geography and resources. Technological proficiency allows pioneers to colonize the frontiers at will, and choose political independence.
Type Seven: "Expansive"
(original) Type Two: intentional use of all of the energy output of the star for habitation and industrial purposes.
(revised) complete access to all of the resources and energy available within the star system, including its planets, moons, and smaller satellites. Experimental robotic ships explore the nearer neighboring star systems and the conditions of intermediate space.
Type Eight: "Arrival"
(revised) first colonies established around other star systems. Ultrahigh-energy physics experiments explore the potential for travel at relativistic or supra-lightspeed velocities.
Type Nine: "Manifesto"
(revised) seeding the stellar neighborhood with many colonial ventures, discovering the range of variety of system formation and geography, and revealing the frequency of the origins of life.
Type Ten: "Epitome"
(original) Type Three: acquisition and use of the entire energy output of all of the stars in the whole galaxy.
(revised) technological capacity to range at will throughout the galaxy, planting colonies, developing resources and tapping unlimited energy as needed to sustain the presence and growth of the species in all its various iterations. Sophisticated modes of long distance travel and self-contained habitat ships allow for sporadic attempts to surpass galactic boundaries.
Conclusion:
As you can see, the original version of the Kardashev scale assessing the power use of a space-faring civilization was excessively over-simplified. Having only three tiers, it did not allow for any detail or description of the intermediate stages of development. At every stage, it required an "all or nothing" obvious achievement in order to advance to the next rung of the ladder, and totally lacked any descriptive or predictive powers.
This revised version does have more capacity for descriptions, and also allows for a certain amount of flexibility. It can be used to note and measure some fractional attainments, and can accept some skipping and mixing of non-linear development patterns, while still offering some definite levels of meaningful achievement for comparisons.
Nor does the new scale have to terminate at the edge of the galaxy, or proceed to such degrees as beggar the imagination. At Type Eleven, the colonization of another galaxy, and at Type Twelve, the colonization of the whole local group of galaxies is enough, while further expansion into the greater Super Cluster and beyond may be designated by more numbered levels. These do however go so far beyond the imagination that those technologies would likely appear magical to our sensibilities. And any further would simply involve the acquisition of the entire knowable Universe.
It seems probable that, at some point, even before we claim the far reaches of our own galaxy, we are likely to discover another intelligent, civilized and space-faring species and learn not only whether the scale is truly useful, but have the realization that we must share the Cosmos with our neighbors. And that will be a clear answer to one of the oldest questions we have ever thought to ask.
If you wish to adopt and promote this revised scale for the comparison of developing civilizations and space-faring technology, you may be my guest. I ask only that you acknowledge and attribute it to its source, and name it the "Makarios Scale." Makarios means "Blessed" in greek, and any species and civilization that this scale would measure should be well aware of their blessings.
And I thank you for your patience and kind consideration. Shalom. I published this in September 2020, in my own obscure little blog:
www.emunahechad.blogspot.com
One of my favourite things about your videos is your optimism. I like to think most of society are good people. I hope sooner rather than later we become post scarcity. There should be no poverty in the world with current means, society needs to help each oher rather than creating sides to be on. Unfortunately the survival instinct is still strong in man, that makes for selfish people. Thanks for more great content Isaac
If it was up to the common man, we would have a comparative Heaven on Earth. We give up authority to the elites, and they become corrupted.
I realize that you're an optimist, but you're glossing over the fact that having the capacity to be a post scarcity society is different from having the will to do so.
We could be a post scarcity society now, by the definition of most humans who have ever lived. We produce enough food to eliminate hunger entirely, and the infrastructure to distribute it. It wouldn't even seriously harm our global economy to make nutrition a global human right. We haven't done this.
I'm all in favor of believing in humanity's gradual "moral evolution", but I see no reason to expect it to be as quick as our technological development.
Support our wartime President to make this happen.
Trump 2020 victory to the human race!
MAGAA
The first President in 40 years to NOT start a single new war in his 1st term.
@@Sixstringman Only a trade war.
It boggles me how this channel could have reached 500k subscribers. I started to watch your channel around 10k .. Hope you reach 1Mn exponentially.........
I don't know... A post scarcity civilization at initial onset would be a terrifying thing. Humans need meaning in their lives, they need adversity to overcome and push through to make themselves better. I'd imagine that many who could not cope with the fact that they themselves have become obsolete would face a bleak and terrifying time in their lives, not to mention those not directly affected being afflicted with a loss of self worth over a slightly longer period of time. This may or may not ameliorate itself over the proceeding decades, and would certainly leave an indelible mark on generations to come. I love your stuff Isaac, don't ever stop being the person that you are!