Razorsaw 240mm Ryoba Japanese Style Pull Saw Review
Vložit
- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- In this Ryoba Saw Review, we'll taking an in depth look at how this pull saw works and how to use it, including the pros and cons of this saw. Finally, i will give you a my take on whether or not i think this saw is suitable as a saw for a beginner. Note: I regularly refer back to western panel saws to compare and contrast.
So whether you're a beginner looking for a budget friendly saw or an experienced woodworker who's looking for a new saw, you need to watch this Ryoba Saw Review before you BUY one!
Hope you enjoy!!
Thanks for your support!
!!PLEASE NOTE PRICES ON THIS SAW ARE NOW HIGHER THAN WHEN I FILMED THIS VIDEO!!
NEW? START YOUR HANDTOOL WOODWORKING JOURNEY HERE!
+ • NEW? START YOUR HANDTO...
Relevant Links:
-Australia
+ www.japaneseto...
+ www.timbecon.c...
- US
+ www.amazon.com...
+ www.amazon.com...
SUPPORT ME ON PATREON!
/ aussiewoodshed
SUBSCRIBE!
/ aussiewoods. .
Follow me on:
INSTAGRAM : / aussiewoods. .
FACEBOOK : / aussiewoodshed
Disclaimer:
All the tools and equipment listed i have personally used or have recommended a similar product. I also recommend new products similar to vintage tools i use as i cannot give a link to vintage tools. I may gain a small commission when you use my links (It costs you nothing), however, the links are still here to help everyone out with tools that will get the job done.
#aussiewoodshed #handtools #beginnerwoodworking
Relevant Links:
-Australia
+ www.japanesetools.com.au/products/komame-ryoba-saw-240mm
+ www.timbecon.com.au/general-purpose-ryoba-japanese-saw-240mm
- US
+ www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-Razorsaw-Ryoba-240mm-Replaceable/dp/B002EI2AT0/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=Gyokucho+Komame+Ryoba+Saw&qid=1696727918&sr=8-4
+ www.amazon.com/Gyokucho-Double-Ryoba-RazorSaw-Hardwoods/dp/B001Y4ZUJW/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=Gyokucho+Komame+Ryoba+Saw&qid=1696727918&sr=8-5
Love the Rhyoba for resawing - thin kerf, aggressive rip low set teeth.
To keep straight, follow a line, and push the saw up in the kerf to disengage the teeth and draw down on the pull stroke to re-engage and tension the plate.
I find it hard to swap from Western saws to Japanese pull saws because the muscle memory is different.
Thanks for your input as always. The Ryoba i reviewed here moved around like crazy and really didn't want to follow a line. I will have to try mine for re-sawing, not something i tried. They are certainly different to use than western saws for sure. Thanks again
A lot of good information in your video. I wasn't crazy about mine when I first got it, but after some time and practice I got much better with it, but as you point out there are some cons to using it. Thanks for the detail in your video.
Thanks, my pleasure.
For Japanese pull saws I have the stop on the bench hook at the front so I am pulling towards it not away from it. For rip cuts on thin wood I have the timber held flat and overhanging on the bench and cut with a two handed grip. Perfect cuts.
Thanks for sharing your techniques
Thanks for the review! I too wasn't a big fan but I went and bought the larger, more aggressive 300mm blade and found it gave better results. Cuts extremely fast with a straighter line than the thinner shorter blade. A little difficult to start but I found using a western saw for the initial establishment of cut to help. Recently used it for ripping and cross-cutting all the timber for cherry blanket box and can't complain. They can dangerous though.
Thanks for sharing. I will have to try a 300mm ryoba when i get a chance. I think any sharp hand tool can be dangerous, i have made a few mistakes with western saws also. Thanks again.
I use the 300mm to get a longer stroke. I find a loose wrist, dropping the handle and dragging w/o downward force works best. That's what I've seen w/ people that only use japanese saws.
@@TomBuskey thanks
Not all Japanse pull saws are the same. I've got one that is a rip and cross cutting saw. The blade at its widest is about 55 cm. The blade itself is about 24 cm long. The blade folds into the handle. So my saw is much shorter and narrower than yours. I find there is very little bending of the blade while sawing and with practice ( slow and purposeful push and pull), it does not bend. As a novice woodworker I had trouble cutting straight with push saws, but with the pull saw, it was straight almost immediately. I use my Japanese pull saw only for small, quick cuts when any other saw is just overkill. My Japanese pull saw is a joy to use.
Thanks for sharing. The Ryoba i reviewed was 24cm long, but 9.5cm at the widest point so quite a bit wider than yours at 5.5cm. I would love to know what saw you have so i can maybe get one to review. Thanks again.
@AncoralmparaPiper I’d love to know which brand saw you have too. Thanks.
That was my first saw and i build with it my English joinery bench so i had 2 years and more with it. But there is big but as you said the rip side - it won't handle long rip thick wood cut - 5 cm and more if it's pine, oak or beech because the saw dust is not cleared properly....so for today most of my ripping i am making with my Disston D-23 it's kerf is thicker but it will cut straight with out shifting it's a beast !!i bought it on flea market in less than 25$...made few repairs attend the rust and the handle..well since then i have bought western style saws for cross cut, and rip cut joinery most are second handed few are very old from 1940s and1920s...and they are all in top condition!! I am still using my Ryoba because as you said it's got it's pros.
Thanks for sharing. I like the western saws for that same reason they cut straight with ease. Sounds like you have some very nice restored vintage saws, once restored they work just as well as a brand new one. I use my ryoba mainly for quick cross cuts. Thanks again
I've found that if you make a small Grove with the cross's cut teeth to start with the rip teeth will then cut smoothly & easily. Must use it on an angle though
Thanks for the tip
"I find it quite difficult to cross cut" I wont bash anything you said here, 100 woodworkers will have 100 different preferences. But a lot of your problems boil down to wrong technique. I am sure that if I tried to cut a dovetail with a backsaw, it would look horrid. But I have no problem to cut assembly ready joinery with my japanese saws, it just takes practice, like everything. Most of the issues you mention arent really a problematic factor, its just your habbits from western saws do not gravitate towards a different tool. After watching this, people might get the idea that those saws are inferior, which simply isnt true.
First of all I never said i find it quite difficult to cross cut. I said it's hard to keep it accurate while cross cutting because the plate flexes. It's easy to cut with just not accurately.
I'm not saying all these saws are inferior, but this particular one is not great at all, this was a review of this saw not all pull saws. I found out recently it is created by razorsaw, a japanese company that made the saws a lot thinner than other manufacturers (starting in 1969) which is the root cause of the problems with this saw. The saw flexes even under tension which means it's not fit for purpose. I have a dozuki saw also from a razorsaw and in certain situations it flexes even with it being a back saw. The whole purpose of a back is to keep it straight and it can't even do that, as the plate is just too thin.
The real root causes are these saws are mass for the western countries targeting lay people who don't want to sharpen saws(not all but most). They make what they call japanese style saws meaning they aren't even Japanese but made in their style, as traditionally all saws were crosscut until japanese picked up the rip cut tooth from the English around 1912. More recently the use of universal and triple cut teeth. So the ryoba saw was developed by western influences in Japanese architecture in the meiji period in japanese (1868 - 1912) however it was not until much later they became popularised by CZcams creators.
There are some made in japan which are quite a bit more expensive than the one i purchased because they aren't mass produced like ones from razorsaw they're hand made, without impulse hardened teeth and can be sharpened with the right know how, which experts in japan possess.
I'm sure there are some decent pull saws out there and when funds permit it will endeavour to purchase and review them, until then i can't recommend them (especially these ones from razorsaw) for any more than the most rough work they're suitable for.
Building my workbench, I'm midway through the legs and originally I got a ryoba... but I got a curve through my first two tennon cuts that I had to carefully correct with some chisel work. I did not even think of the blade flexing inwards between the cross cut and rip cut section, I thought that the saw was just following the grain.
The remainder of the tennon work I completed with a tennon saw and then completed the remainder of the depth with a rip saw. Both being western and which I found easier overall.
I have however found the ryoba fun to use and a saw to grab for in at home handy work. It's now generally the first saw I grab when I want a cut that doesn't have to be exact.
Thanks for sharing. It's always frustrating when things don't go right, glad you were able to sort it out. I too find the western saws easier to use, but like you i use the ryoba when accuracy isn't required. Thanks again
i use a couple neodymium magnets stuck into a bit of brass on both sides of my dozuki to make a sort of back saw for finer cuts. works pretty well.
Interesting idea, thanks for sharing
Start the kerf with the fine teeth then switch over to the rip teeth.
Thanks for the tip
Чтобы полотно пилы не вибрировало, нужно пилить более полого. То есть заготовку располагать так, чтобы большая часть полотна находилась внутри дерева. При таком пилении дерево само будет гасить колебания пилы.
Thanks for sharing.
Does your shed have AC?
I do have a small floor refrigerator AC connected up to the window, but its not very effective considering my shed is uninsulated.
@@AussieWoodshed please be careful. I know you downunderans are very used to the heat. But my experience with Aussie hot weather makes me nervous for you.
@@pauljarine thanks for your concern, i always to care when its hot, not to get dehydrated or heat stroke.