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How would you rate your teams rebuild? A? B-? D?
A obviously. Even not talking about how bad they were last year. They are 1st in pacific. Without a doubt an A rebuild. The fact that they were so bad last year just makes it better
@@JaredGoofballThe rebuild itself was a B-. Alvinâs retool however was a resounding A+
@@matthewsmith2237The rebuild got us a Generational dman, franchise center, franchise goalie, and elite goal scorer in Hughes, Pettersson, Demko, and Boeser. Itâs an automatic A+ as they got the most important pieces you need to win a stanley cup. Then coming out the rebuild made the best trade in franchise history getting JT Miller. Allvin has done a masterful job getting the pieces to surround this elite core to take the next step.
@@pegasus6116 Honesly, petterson isnt worth the 11 million in the playoffs rn. i mean hes almost getting paid as much as panarin. and he has more than pasta rn
@@DeathGamingOfficialYT I think he can figure it out; at his top end he's elite, but he's in his own head rn.
Thanks for having me on Rob! It was great talking to you and the video turned out awesome. Let's do it again sometime.
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This is hilarious. No way this is B Morrison. đ so random đ„
@kel336 Pfff...look at his channel punk. Mr. Morrison, loved you here, and subbed to your feed!
Good to see you on youtube!
@@sports2hedz542 Thank you!
The best teams are the ones who make their luck. As I once heard an analyst say "You gotta get lucky to get good, but you gotta get good to get lucky."
THG saying and its 100% true
@@raysrock55 It's a pretty widespread saying, not just THG.
Since my beloved Red Wings failed to show up to the dance, I'm rooting for your boys to take it home. Who doesn't love a good underdog story? I've been following you for a long time and you're channel just keeps getting better. Congrats Rob!
So funny. I absolutely hate Bruins, despise Oilers, can't stand Leafs (with the rest of Canada in agreement), don't get me started with the garbage goal Flamers, Avs fans I cringe to see in the stands a whole bunch of soccer mom Karens but if any team deserves a watch, admiration and node is RWings and their fans. Hats off to you.
Sort of the same! Wings fan who has sort of been keeping a close eye on the Canucks as a backup đ â€ïž The comeback against Nashville almost moved me to tears, partly because I got flashbacks to Detroitâs amazing comebacks this season! đ€©đâ€ïž As Patrick Kane said after Detroit had been eliminated: âitâs like nothing Iâve seen before, thereâs no quit in this team.â Canucks proved that they also are, or at least can be, that kind of team. Gotta love it! đđđ
@@VafaPhotography if the nucks get knocked; edmonton, winnepeg and even the leafs have my hopes to win the cup
@@lenaforsgren I don't think Kane is coming back (unfortunately) so I'm hoping Stevie swings for the fences and reels in Stamkos or maybe even Marchessault (damn VGK are a cutthroat organization). If the Canucks don't make it, part of me wants to see McDavid win one. I'm not a big Holland fan and, sure, the league pushes him hard, but he really does put in the extra effort. Just my two cents. It might be petty, but I was glad that the Caps got swept. I can't bring myself to root for the Rangers either. Maybe Carolina? Hopefully the Canucks keep it rolling and I don't need to go there!
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Craziest thing about this series is Demko has been out since Game 1, his back up was injured in Game 3, and now theyre playing with a friggin rookie goalie
Latvias star goalie with a bronze medal, he's not just some rando.
@@allewis4008 yeah but hes still unproven in the nhl, after yesterday hes only got 10 games nhl experience
Itâs absurd man lmao
Mvp of the last IIHF
Wrong.. 4 games in NHL and played his first playoff game which means it was his 5th game..â@WeLoveOphetPhimsipasom
We gotta give Silov hell of a lot of credits for saving a lot of so many shots in Game 4 last night đȘ
Let's get game 5, go canucks goâ€
PDO is merely a ratio of shooting percentage and save percentage. It cannot tell you that the Canucks prefer to cycle over shooting mindlessly at the net, or that we have not one, but two of the best goalie coaches in our system -- Ian Clark in Vancouver, and Igor Shesterkin's goalie coach back in his KHL days in Marko Torenius. It cannot tell you why Hogs scored 24 goals at even strength despite being on four different lines this season, and it can't tell you how good Lindholm has been defensively as a centerman. I think PDO caters to human psychology because it tries to provide a simple answer to a tough question which is what most people truly want in life, no matter how skewed or flawed the end result may be. Boston's PDO was high as well last year, but nobody even knew what PDO was until the Canucks overachieved (allegedly).
Really gonna be cheering for your wings next yeat
I remember before the season Boston won the presidents some people and myself thought they would have a bad year with the roster not looking as good as the year before it but now itâs makes sense that theyâre PDO was higher than normal and them losing in the first round would make so much more sense than it jus being âplayoffâ hockey
@@cross_ie7590 A lot of that also came down to the little things not being done optimally by Boston in the final 3 games of their playoffs last season, and speaks volumes about a statistical factor called standard deviation, which is SO important to consider when analyzing empirical statistics yet is getting overlooked by everyone in the hockey world because they only want to focus on one stupid number. đ
Changing the coach (and hence the culture in the team) was the best move that made all the difference
Been expecting them to choke all season. They haven't yet. Goaltending is the unknown variable right now, so far so good.
I actually didnât give up on them yesterday and what a comeback .
I think of Canucks donât get more pucks to the net they arnt getting past round 2
@@noahbasarm511 I mean we could blow the series lead you never knowđđđ
Puck luck taking us all the way ya đ
Being the huge frauds they are, the canucks shouldn't even be allowed to play on the playoffs, even if they won the pacific division.
your work is beautiful, i think i am going to rewatch it
I'm not so sure about the PDO thing because some teams tend to pepper the net with low probability shots whereas other teams tend to hang on to the puck as they try for the perfect tick-tack-toe goal. Teams that strive for perfect goals will, in theory, end up with a higher PDO.
I'd rather see the Canucks go on with some luck and win then another US team that is "helped" by the referees during the playoffs like we've seen since the past 10 years...
An improved Hughes is the exact reason Nashville has been smashvill-ing him, unfortunately.
Love the collab!! Great work once again.
When it comes to matters of luck, the best statement I've heard is "good teams create their own luck." If you're a good team, you'll be creating situations where you're more likely to get the good bounces or capitalize on that strange bounce that put the puck on the back door with an open net. Because the good teams will have a guy on that back door for just such an eventuality. Bad teams will have that guy behind the net or in the corner, so the puck trickles through and nobody's there and the D or goalie eventually clears or smothers it. Or that puck tricked through the goalie at the other end and a d-man or backchecking forward was there, Jonny on the spot to clear it out of harm's way before the other team could do any real damage. Bad teams don't do that and that loose puck is left sitting that extra fraction of a second longer where an attacking player may just get to it ahead of the goalie and bang it in.
Great interview
This is a great breakdown. Your seeing the game at a high level and explaining it wonderfully.
Iâm not so sure about this, I fully expected Vancouver to handle Nashville with relative ease
Nashville is a big physical team, I figured it would be the biggest hurdle for Vancouver. They came out swinging in game 1 and I thought âwow, theyâre really gonna do it.â
@@shanecouver honestly to me it seems to be LA. Their stupid lineup strategy seems to be a huge problem for us.
Idk as a person watching this series game to game, Iâve been stressed every game thinking the nucks were gonna lose. đ
The Canucks outplayed Nashville in Game 2 for most of the game but lost. I think the message going into Game 3 was to not lose sight of the prize and stick to the system because statistically Nashville couldn't keep winning if the Canucks kept playing the way they did in Game 2. Game three was won on hard work and sticking to the system, and Game three was won on resilience. They were able to shake off the "accidentally on purpose" tripping of Petey during their celi. They didn't challenge the kicked puck, but instead overcame those hurdles and came back to win. I fake team can't do that.
We've had to play not one, not two, but THREE goalies, and we're still finding ways to win. Sure it's not the cleanest wins, but we're up 3-1. This team is legit
Never heard of this channel until I seen this title, but I clicked it thinking you were going to burn the Canucks.
But one of the top comments I see is Brendan Morrison responding saying "thanks for having me" made me instantly interested in what had to be said!
To have a legend like #7 on your channel and video and the break downs both of you have put in, became an instant fan and sub.
Preds were downed in a hard fought series, where I don't think the 3-1 series win doesn't justify thinking Canucks "owned" them in any means.
I'm stoked for the Edmonton series!
You've got some juice Rob when you can get a legend like Brendan Morrison on your show... good to see how much he is still into the hockey culture. With the talent that Vancouver has, I'm surprised it has taken them this long to get back into contention. I think the team management was the biggest hurdle as they made some bad deals that hurt their bottom 6, as well as the defense, for several years. The coaching change is huge... Tocchet is one of those guys who is great at motivating people. I watched Tocchet play, and also got to see him coach, and I can definitely say the guy knows how to get the most from his players.
Great collab!
Another absolute banger from Rob.
Great video! A lot of insight and perspective on the game. Thanks!
Brendan Morrison should be on a national network! He clearly has an immense amount of knowledge and a unique perspective to offer i hope he gets everything he want out of his online showing!
This man has been a star in the show and was one of my favourite players growing up!
Agreed!
How can they be frauds if you never expected anything from them in the first place? Could it be their division is weak?
This core group always kind of played this way. In the series against Vegas few years ago for example they were outshot badly and still managed to take them to 7 games.
Just a picture perfect rebuild getting a Franchise C/D/G/W in Pettersson/Hughes/Demko/Boeser and trading for a franchise powerforward in JT Miller. Hoglander turning into a 25 goal scorer, blue chip prospects still on the way in Lekkerimaki and Willander. Plus guys like Silovs, Raty, Pettersson, and Podkolzin. Fantastic 3rd line with Garland/Joshua. Unreal time to be a Canucks fan right now.
really nice analytics. quiet the contrast to the topic 'huge frauds.' i'm impressed!!
The D was a big upgrade, no longer are you relying on a few #8s for 2nd pairings.
Fwds got some upgrades too. Systems. Demko not injured for most of the year, great backup for first half to 3/4 of season, then was still good.
First and foremost, it's sad when a title depicts a message that a hockey team is fraud when that team is doing everything possible to win a playoff game. We have to remember that any team in this playoff has a chance to win the Stanley Cup. Now if an underdog wins the Stanley Cup does that mean they are frauds too?
Analytics get so specific these days they end up missing or leaving out important context. When a team "defies statistical models" for a whole season the models likely need to be recalibrated.
luck is, when skill becomes a habit ;)
also regarding drafting "skill" its also up to the development pipeline right? I would love to see you dive into that topic
"Drafting vs Developing" of players
Another thing worth mentioning is, the reason the Canucks shooting percentage is so high is because they prioritize redirects and deflections. Another reason why Hughes' new shot profile is so good for Vancouver. Shooting more, means more chances for guys like Boeser, Lindholm, and anyone else to get a tip or redirection. Also, when showing the PDO kings of the league. Dallas, Winnipeg, Tampa, the Rangers and Boston were also near the top, but no one considers them lucky. But they have something in common. Amazing goaltenders. This idea having a good goalie means you're "lucky" is absurd.
ALSO, also. Lets not discount the work management did adding Cole, Soucy, Hronek, and Zadorov on the blueline, Blueger up front is worth noting. The reason our goals against is so much better than last year is we actually have blueliners worth a damn. I wouldn't give Tocc all the credit. Not to mention guys like Foote and Gonchar.
We so fraud cause we never truly rebuild or tank, we sucked by accident under Benning for 8 years, never won a single lottery pick (drop a couple spots almost very time), drafted a couple busts in Virtanen and Juolevi with high pick, yet lucked our way into Hughes and Boeser đđđ
Benning was terrible. So many wasted picks. His scouting team and Linden forced the Pettersson pick. Hughes, Demko, Boeser were all from the scouting team. Benning kept wanting to pick guys like Virtanen, Juolevi, Kole Lind, etc. Instead of real NHL future players.
let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iâm confused what analysts had Nashville as favourites in the series? Not one I read did, and Vegas had Canucks as favourites to win that series.
Theyve been able to sustain it for a full season so we cant call them just lucky. Sure theyve definitely been lucky at times but theyve earned their luck a lot of the time this season. My only question is how sustainable is the way they play going into next season because weve seen before teams have these crazy seasons out of no where but then the next season they arent able to repeat it because teams figure out an easy way to shut them down. I dont think thats the case with the Canucks but I dont think we see them 1st in the Pacific next season either
Gonna be hard to shut down a team with a generational norris winning dman(Hughes), two franchise 100 point centers(Pettersson and Miller), and franchise vezina calibre goalie(Demko), and elite 40 goal scorer(Boeser). Also with blue chip prospects in Lekkerimaki and Willander still on the way. Theyâll be a powerhouse for a long time.
Thanks Mister Sunshine!
Excellent analysis. I remember debating last year whether the Canucks should trade away Boeser. We could see his potential, but it was not showing. Now, we're so happy he's still with Vancouver. I don't know how far we'll go this year, but it's all just icing on the cake from this point.
Second Round exits especially if you have to face elite teams like Colorado or Dallas without Demko
@@robocock475 If you had told me in October that the Canucks would finish top of the Pacific, and lose in the 2nd round, I would say that's pretty good. So, even if you're right, I'm OK with that.
Agreed
loved hearing your guys opinions. I grew up on the West Coast Express line!! Brendan Morrison, Todd Bertuzzi and Markus Naslund will always hold a special place in my hockey heart.
I picked Vancouver to come out of the West but that was with Demko in net. Itâs gonna be interesting to see how they play without him or DeSmith back there. Silovs was great in Game 4 but heâs still a wildcard at this point if he has to play the rest of the series
Another reason for the Canucks success can be attributed to management and the overhaul of the roster.
7/13 forwards that played 40+ games this season were brought in by Alvin and Rutherford.
4/7 of the defenseman to play 40+ games were brought in by Management.
Add DeSmith and you're looking at a 55% roster turnover. The core that was being built is coming through. But it takes a full roster to win and that's where Jim Benning really struggled.
To top it off, the front office and coaching staff are on the same page. Players are brought in to work under Tocchet's structure. Those that haven't worked have found themselves shipped out.
One or two analytics can't put the whole puzzle together. Winning is more complicated than what the data says.
I'm so proud of the Canucks! Go Canucks Go!! Boeser you stud!
Vancouver just has to win a Stanley cup.
This is a team that creates chances that often end up on a scoring threat or a scoring goal. They are great at doing this and just stopping their opponents on the defensive end by not giving them enough room. I was at the game yesterday in Nashville and the fact that the Canucks won that game should tell you that they were great at creating a win that many thought was a loss.
Analytics can give some good context and lay some foundation, but it doesn't measure cohesiveness and heart.
The Leafs, for example, are stacked with a talented core, but the Leafs don't play as a cohesive team. The Canucks were doing similar things until Tocchet came along. Now, Vancouver can throw any five guys out there and they'll play well together. On paper, the Leafs should have wiped Boston in 4, but hockey isn't played on paper and the Bruins have a tight, cohesive team who buy into a system and a formula and that's why they're up 3-1 as of this writing.
Leafs also donât have a Generational Norris winning dman in Hughes or Vezina calibre Franchise goalie in Demko. Leafs are just a horribly built team with 3 good forwards, trash defence and goaltending.
we just beat Nashville with our rookie goalkeeper I donât think Nashville has a chance and Iâm confident with my statement lol
And now?
@@golfer435 and now itâs 3-2 with Vancouver having the lead at home ice.
@@golfer435 correction we are not at home ice lol..
We had the most insane puck luck at the beginning and of the season. If we get that back in the post season we are unstoppable.
May the gods smile upon us.
All you have to see is sissoons missing the open net. All luck. They have been outplayed for 3 games and the only reason why they are up is because Nashville is shooting them selfs in the foot. You can throw all these stats and other things you described in this Video but the fact of the matter is they like the devils last year were extremely lucky and healthy for most of them year. You have to be very lucky to win the amount of games they did this year. Great team but very very lucky
Fail to see how PDO is a calculation of "luck". Ah yes save percentage, my favorite luck based stat. Goalie making saves, pure luck. The goalie slander is wild, ty Rob for sticking up for the tendies
16:52 "Only one of them would become a Star." This is true in both ways...Kevin Connauton is the only player he drafted who played for the Dallas Stars (from a 2 minute scan). It's possible some more of them played for the Texas Stars and never reached the NHL though, didn't bother verifying all of the players who never played in the NHL.
McDavid held shotless in game oneđđ.They had 6 shots in the third.Canucks have always been good in the third thatâs not luck
It's a bit of a stretch to think that defending hockey players spend a lot of time going over individual shooting stats of the opposing team. Mostly they just don't want to be embarrassed, and end up on some highlight reel somewhere for years. If a player is slippery you might give him a little more room so you have enough time to react before he beats you clean. That extra room can be used to get off a shot. And defensemen will always have a lower scoring percentage because they are shooting from a greater distance. Most of the time they are looking for the tip, which if successful doesn't even count as a goal, it's an assist.
For sure, but teams watch film on top players to create game plans. For example, Pettersson used to be left wide open on the ride side every powerplay. He is rarely left open, because of teams studying his play style and the teams PP
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Well, the Canucks have delivered this year (fan since they joined the NHL--old school). Great interviews, btw. But not Frauds, just kinda unexpected interlopers. Not too terrified Team is about the goaltending situation--although activating Silovs this early is a bit...alarming. Team is strong. Love to see it. Work to be done...
Man miller is just money from the top of the left circle
What this shows me is that Vancouver has all the pieces for a deep, playoff worthy team, but they need more experience. Their mental just isnât there yet, and I donât know if they could beat a Colorado or a Vegas, Carolina, Florida, the Rangers, ect.
We in Vancouver believe that they are paid to lose.
the moment they signed Teddy blueger I knew they were gonna be top 2 in the pacific
Morrison is such a great guy, got to meet him a couple of times at CAN-AM events, meet bertuzzi as well, he is also a very very nice guy
This year's Canucks reminded me of last year's New Jersey, except Vancouver has a better goalie, and that's mostly a regular season comparison.
I dunno why you think demko is not involved in PDO cause hes had some incredibly lucky plays and games this year... All the scorpion saves are pure luck, him diving across the net and getting a hand on the puck is pure luck, 9/10 times the forward is gonna bury those goals on demko but it just so happens that he strung goals together, and Vancouver is also lucky with injuries this year in that no terrible ones but quinn hughes looks pretty slow against nashville and petterson looks a little weak and demko is out, I'm betting there are some hidden injuries, they also got lucky playing teams when they were slumping, for example they beat the oilers 3 times early in the season but that was when the oilers were the 31/32 placed team in the league but imagine people surprise when the oilers were only i think 4 points back at the end of the season.... oilers are way hotter that the canucks
Luck or not, I think the one thing that separates the good teams from the decent teams is that good teams capitalize on their luck. Did we get lucky that the puck hit the post at the end? Sure, but we capitalized on that luck and turned it into a win. An ok team would have still lost.
1:05 I would take this list anyday. Garly has been our top grind player since his arrival and I love that he is with us
Put a body on Hughes and you stop him, put a body on Makar and you stop him. Having a guy like Wilson or reaves will allow for that to happen and may add to the scoring as well.
The way I see luck in hockey is that there is no such thing. The puck has crazy bounces, but the best in the league can read those bounces and make plays off of them. Sure some people are just in the right place at the right time, but being in the right place is a skill on its own. You also need the reaction time to even capitalize on those opportunities, and people seem to think it's either good or bad luck that makes those things happen when in reality it's skill. The Canucks move the puck well and they have a good core, it was a matter of time before they got the puck sliding their way.
@3:41 why is Hammond holding what appears to be a pancake in his hand?
Andrew Hammond = Hamburgerler = Hamburger man
â@@RobTalksHockeyAh! It's a bun, not a pancake. Thanks for the info. I'm "married" to the Red Wings but have lived in Los Angeles since 1994. I have been a fan of Vegas since they were an unnamed idea in 2004, so they are my "mistress" team. I quite enjoy your content, keep it up good Sir!
Omg bruce still looked old af back in 09 đ€Ł
It is important to note that although Mikeyev, Suter, and Lafferty are not producing, they are beastly defensively, they rarely make mistakes in the D zone. So, yes, we are overpaying for 4th liners, but at least they are not hurting us on the ice. Kuzmenko had to go, he did not buy in. During the high PDO time, if you actually looked at the goals, many of them were incredible chances, like open nets where you would have been UNLUCKY to not score. I think the PDO people were not actually watching the games.
Rob sounds like a Salty Leafs fan. Go Canucks Go đ
3-1 series rn. Doesnât seem like their fakers to me
The Canadian faker teams are east of Edmonton.
When we had Luongo, Kesler and the Wonder twinsâŠ.
Those were the days
Those were some exciting players. Seeing the sedins cycling for 5 minutes before doing the slap pass. đ
I BELIEVE
Idk if his edges are as good as KK97.
They won with the Zamboni driver in goal. Jets canât even compete with a team they beat all season.
Go Canucks!
PDO is not meant to be a metric for a complete team. Itâs meant solely for measuring the âpuck luckâ of an individual player.
The reason that they chose on-ice shooting percentage and on-ice save percentage is because they are two stats that a single player has the least impact on. They are both âteamâ stats, therefore one individual player canât markedly improve the combined numbers.
Thatâs right. I referenced individual players as an example on how each player could potentially impact their teams PDO
Really? PDO is also used for teams. Actually mostly for teams.
Well as a huge rangers fan for 30 years I honestly picked Nashville as my surprise team. If they got ANY type of goaltending they couldâve beat Vancouver. Total collapse by saros
Great vid
How's the salt taste? đđđ Go Canucks!
They will great the long term signing of Elias P. Regular season All-Star, invisible man in Playoffs...
I think Pettersson still has it in him. Keep in mind he was a point per game in the bubble run, and the playoff MVP/Champion in the SHL. He's been clutch int he past
Heâs playing injured. Canucks are laughing getting a franchise 100+ point selke cailbre center locked up throughout his prime at just 11.6 mill.
The PDO is in part luck but it's also sign of teams with good goalies!? The top 3 teams in PDO...were Vancouver,Winnipeg,and Boston and I don't think it's a coincidence that each of those teams has great goaltending and their goalies r among the top goalies in the league!? Vancouver has Demko, Winnipeg has Hellebyuck,and Boston has Swayman & Ullmark!!!??
Their series against Nashville looks like two 8th seeds. They will have to play much different to win a cup.
Bro went god mode in game 4.. not luck
Marking this video for when you take the âquotesâ out of the title when they lose in 7
Guess you can unmark it now bud
You all fail to see the nine free agents playing for contracts big motivator
On this graphic đ
Pettersson is pretty much invisible in the playoffs so far...
Seems to be only visible when he is a defensive liability
Which is a scary thought. Imagine when he gets going. Unreal amount of elite talent on that team.
Hes gotta b hurt
EP40 is saving himself for the next round.
How fitting considering last night.
Interestingly, the teams with the top PDO in the league are also the teams who were near the top of the league. Luck? No. Just better shooting and goal tending than the rest. Trying to call it luck factor is misinterpreting the basic metrics. The league as a whole will end up with a 1.000 PDO average across all teams. Good teams will be higher, bad teams will be lower.
Huge Frauds my ass. . . They made an awesome comeback!
Haters gonna hate! Go Canucks Gođ
Vancouver won the Pacific because Edmonton was riddled with injuries the first 6 weeks of the season (a lot of players like McDavid, Draisaitl, and Ekholm were playing through those injuries) and had an epic collapse that nearly derailed their season (which led to the firing of Woodcroft). We'll see in round 2 if Vancouver is legitimate once they get past the worst team in the conference, the Nashville Predators.
54 years and counting. I quit watching the canooks after the 2011 playoffs, wasted 30 years watching them before that đ
Seriously though?!
Weâre doing good because weâre lucky?
It wouldnât have anything to do with the Allstar Coaching staff or anything.. đ
Van gonna take the cup bruh
You must be happy being a canucks fun! Great team this year đđ»
The problem with Petey is Tocchet then. Heâs coached the talent out of him.
You gotta be lucky to be good, and good to be lucky.
Brotato!
This video is not aging well lol
Itâs aging very well. The title was me confronting that narrative
â@@RobTalksHockey sorry, it's really not aging well. Oh it's true, it's damn true.
Your without demko and desmith, are you sure your prepared for the Oilers
Luck is a factor, but you also create luck with hard work.