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The ending where Jen does not forgive him, but then a year after his death begins to contemplate waking someone up would have been poetic.
A crazy woman would have woke the entire ship up 😂😂😂
This but jen going apeshit chasing that man but she actually succes and year later the plot where she going the same path as chriss with stalking one hot passenger or her original boyfriend and then the movie end with a loop possibility
@@markmd9 Boring. Try harder.
True. But they left out showing her possible mental breakdown in the months (not weeks) she's not speaking to him, and only talking to Arthur.
Or, instead of waking someone else up, she puts him in the med-pod to save his life, but imagine it takes more than 30 seconds to repair his injuries so she puts him in hibernation. But then in a few months wakes him up because she's lonely.
I can imagine the final shot now. A close up of ther hand hovering over the button to open the capsule... Cut to Black. End
plot twist that bartender woke Jim up cause he was a lonely A.I.
👀
lmao wow.
P.S why would he be awake on his own? 1 pod malfunction shouldn't wake him up all ready to serve. he whould be stored in a closet without power until a crew member wakes up and installs him. when told we're not supposed to be here, he even said "i won't tell if you won't". hmmm
AirPlayRule as the like ratio suggests, you are the idiot here that doesn't understand the joke. You don't deserve that laugh.
Or the bartender is secretly a vampire, not A.I. :)
THIS
Not gonna lie, the ending where she is contemplating the exact same decision hits so good.
Except that the theme devolves to one thing - a dilemma of loneliness, which we've already seen. The cycle has some satisfaction in it, but the realization of it doesn't suggest anything new to think about from the first time.
seems kinda cliche to me honestly
Totally. That is the naratively perfect ending, You know she's going to do it.
Agreed. That ending has a Twilight-Zone tone to it.
Just imagine the last shot is Jennifer Lawrence, crying and looking directly up at the viewer with that same creepy soundtrack in the background as Pratt's.
The creep factor of Pratt’s character once you rearrange it is honestly stunning. The look in his eyes makes it obvious he’s done something, and normally we know what and we’re feeling his inner turmoil, but when you theoretically don’t it could be ANYTHING.
True, and it is a far more compelling way to tell the story. So many more ways it could go.
The thing I find interesting is how caught up people get in how it is creepy, as if a ton of other movies we know and love don't have creepy heroes and stories that are just as messed up (or even more so). Stalker liar men who scheme to get the object of their affection are a staple for longer than any of us have been around. Really, the difference here is that the guy actually feels awful about it.
One of the creepiest looks he gave was when he approached her in the cafeteria and she jumped up and ran away. She's furious for a week or weeks and finally goes to his room and hits and kicks him, until he lowers his guard to let her kill him with the metal tool if she wants to, but she doesn't. After that we lose track of time as weeks become months, and we don't see her problems with only talking to Arthur. Just before Gus wakes up, she's locked in her room for 2 days and didn't accuse Jim. But then told Gus that what he did was murder, making it seem like she's been riding on fury all this time. Her turnaround towards Jim then seems a complete surprise in the next 2 days or so with Gus dying and the need to save the ship.
@@sandal_thong8631 When Jim was about to die she come to the realisation that she wouldn't last 2 years by herself like Jim did, let alone 90. Then her other emotions became dominate, the love she felt for him.
@@DavidKnowles0 That's possible that all those weeks not talking to him made her empathize with what he had felt for a year. But we don't see that in the movie, so it comes off as an abrupt reversal.
I felt he should have acted happier to "stumble" upon someone else. As it is, he acts like he's been expecting her and that alone is suspicious.
Holy shit the ending with her crying, thinking about waking someone else just blew my mind.
Ericki Haras same, that would've been so good and thought provoking
Ericki Haras that would have been amazing.
Ericki Haras I don't think its exactly mind blowing but it's interesting!
Or what if you also found out that someone had originally woken up Chris Pratt's character, and that person had died, which led him to waking up another passenger(Lawrence) due to loneliness. It would be like this creepy cycle lmao
just imagine, the cicle could go on by 90 years! o.O
After watching this made me realize how important it is for writers to withhold information, rather than laying everything out from the beginning.
I know right? It's a great example of how withholding vital information can pique the viewer's interest and increase the sense of anticipation. Rather than just watching a scene unfold, the audience is trying to find clues, add up information and peice together a chain of events, which ultimately reveals whether or not the characters deserve our sympathy or our disgust
Or laying everything out from the beginning, but without enough contexts. It will hit different, because you already saw everything, but didn't pay enough attention until the writer reveal everything
I think (and I know it's TV) that kids shows do this wonderfully. Take any kids show and watch the first episode. For many, there is no explanation of a character, there is no back story, there is just the moment they are in, and that is a great thing to think about. They are not laying out a preamble to get where they want, they are just hitting the ground running and expecting the audience to just jump on board. Films could do this more and not patronise an audience with set up but have that revealed through antagonisms and tensions in the film.
Only true if the point you want to drive home and highlight is the STORY. If your desire is to highlight and celebrate a character (good or bad) it actually makes more sense to tell the story chronologically and lay it out as you go through the story line with the character.
Yup! The funnest and most interesting movies is to not hand hold the audience. Instead of just watching, they are solving, engaging, theorizing etc.
Makes for a fun movie experience!
Damn everyone’s talking about the twist but that alternate ending concept just sends chills down my spine
This is actually a very good example of the importance of EDITING, something which is mostly perceived as just “cut here and there, remove this scenes, merge this, etc.“
This goes far beyond editing, this rearranges the script completely, which fundamentally rewrites the film
Yes.
I liked the video-essay, "How _Star Wars_ was saved in the edit." One critic of it said all movies are saved in the edit, but that's not so. This movie could have been saved by taking her side and making it a thriller as this video said. Today I saw the deleted scene where Aurora finds the pod manual in Jim's sock drawer, before he admits to waking her: tense. Add a scene where Arthur sounds creepy by saying he can't tell Jim's secrets would ramp up the tension, before the big reveal. Then add a scene with her starting to suffer from living on rage and only talking to Arthur for the 8-10 months before Gus showed up. And during this time we wouldn't know if he's sabotaging the ship to get her attention.
Also the ending needed fixing where Jim has to sacrifice himself immediately or the ship will blow up in a matter of seconds, and it being a two-person job, justifying her awakening in retrospect. They needed something similar but with them making choices. Like if he does something dangerous, can he trust her to save him? Then will she actually save him? I like the idea that she gets tempted by loneliness to wake someone up, and maybe that could have been Jim in the medic-bot.
Now you are rewriting the movie too much. It is one thing to rearrange some things, cut out some parts, invert scenes chronologically, and it is another thing to rewrite the story and screenplay. To be honest, even in the case of this concept in this video, just different editing would not make a different movie, they would have to rewrite the ending, or add something closer to the end to make a transition to them being friendly and trusting (well, that already happens in the movie... but I am basing myself on the darker concept suggested by this video).
@@CzechRiot Well, I'm addressing concerns and criticisms I've seen in other comments to various Passengers video, and in reviews. I was disgusted when I showed up to the movie advertised as an accident leading to romance, followed by an adventure to save the ship, and found Jim was going to wake up Aurora, thus taking her life away, to keep him from being lonely. The romance then felt "rapey."
Most people said she needs to feel what it's like being alone, and they didn't put in any of those scenes where she doesn't speak to him for months after fighting him and deciding not to kill him. But the movie presents it as days or weeks later that Gus shows up, leading to the finale and a quick turn around on her feelings, making people think she has Stockholm Syndrome.
There's two popular endings: he dies, or he lives and they live together as the movie had. Putting her in stasis via the AutoDoc is an option. Leaving him in the AutoDoc until she gets lonely, is my preference.
This hammers in a lesson one of my professors said: "If you're having trouble with plot, think about whether you have the right view point character."
What’s a view point character
Aleesha M the character in a movie who’s perspective you follow
Aleesha M the protagonist essentially(not always though)
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was that a professor in the school of sucks?
Just the fact that it'd be Chris Pratt as the villain would make it very intriguing, because we're USED to seeing him as the goofy, charming good guy. Seeing him be a... Mentally unstable, selfish but sympathetic-ish villain would be interesting because it'd subvert the general expectations we have of Chris Pratt as an actor.
charcharmunr he could have been nominated for an academy award too for the role. Such a shame they didn't think of this
that makes me think of Robin Williams with "one hour photo", not such a great movie though, but seeing another side of ones actor is truely intriguing
@@TerenceAwolola-lk8kd I mean, the OP is just trying to say that having an actor associated with a positive, trustworthy character might -- in a movie where there is ambiguity about the character he is playing -- lead an audience to trust him, ultimately creating dissonance when we find out he is in fact the villain, moreover a villain we can indeed sympathize with. Instead of a saccharine love story we get a more nuanced narrative about human behavior.
Like in infinity war he is unstable and selfish and ruins everything 😂😂
lirio sogno damn bro😂😂
Chris Pratt would have got an Oscar for best villain had it been edited this way.
They don't give Oscars for best villain
@@rosenbergjr10they should
But Pratt's character wasn't a villain. Just in a bad situation.
@@briana8088Did you watch the video?
@@ryanmcgowan3061 Yeah, I didn't like it. You had to twist the narrative to make it work. It wasn't organic at all.
Chris's acting reveals its subtlety much more through this edit...
Literally how creepy, troubling and confusing can he look from Jennifer's perspective... Great acting
Jennifer bragged about getting paid millions more; but then she got less screen time. Making it from her perspective and her exploration of the ship (with Jim tagging along her every step) would give her more and make her earn her pay!
She bragged about her salery? Wow. That's sad.
@@Samuel-p17 careful about the information you get from strangers online. this is a very twisted version of the truth.
@@Samuel-p17 Yep, she’s very selfish and conceited in real life, not the LEAST bit surprised, sad, as this idea is! 😢
"Did you wake me up?" "I tried not to." SUCH A POWERFULLY SUBTEXTUAL LINE WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE FULL STORY
"....it broke my heart to put that tumor in her head." Exact same type of reveal involving Chris Pratt and its 3000x better with the movie not giving it away 20 movies ago.
@@MichaelHufnagleInIT what movie is that
@@SRN18 It’s from Guardians of the Galaxy 2
@@MichaelHufnagleInIT sorry i didn't;t understand your last part? whoops like do you mean its good because we didn't't expect it or bad because it was revealed before. I don't remember knowing it before the twist but maybe i missed something
@@magster9338 Good because we didn’t expect it
And now I really wish the movie had been like this instead. I'm all excited and shit.
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maggru91 I really hope reddit creates a recut version of this for me to watch
id watch that cut
they already did with star wars
cut it and upload it!
Ahh the alternate ending of Chris dying, Jennifer being left alone and contemplating whether to wake up another passenger would have been pure genius ending.
Cliché
would have been boring and would just said where have I seen that ending before.
Just a small thing but I really appreciate you pointing out that it's easier to suggest improvements for an existing film, than to create a wholly independent idea in a film.
Really comes across as less smug and more positive than a lot of other critical takes 😅
I so want genres I like to succeed, whether sci-fi or superhero (which is kind of fantasy/sci-fi) that I feel I should support them. I just saw the movie, _65_ about human-like aliens crash-landing on Earth just before the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. But it really didn't have anything more to say than that premise, and that he has to save a girl about the age of his late daughter. Makes me think of Adam Driver as the leading man in B-movies.
I would have loved if it had ended with Pratt being a scary villain. And then a year later she's faced with the same decision because she's so lonely. Would have been quite a Twist and so good!
as much as I agree.... I can't imagine pratt being the bad guy
Thanks for the spoiler.
jack pomerantz ?
If it just left it hanging with her hand over the button to wake the next person up and you don't know which she chose... that would have been an unbelievable finish to a movie. It throws the nature of his villainy into question... was he really the villain she saw him as? Or has she come to realize that she either has to classify herself as a villain or desperately, about to go insane, lonely. Oh the possibilities for some really deep dives into human psyche stuff.
Yes, I think if he died and she got lonely and it ends with her waking someone up.
When you see most hollywood action/romance movies from the female perspective, men seem really creepy.
YES YES YES YES that is so true. And sad
True tea
Theres a fine line between romantic and creepy.
lol very true
@@jim191185 Not really in real life.
I know this is 5 years old, but this is incredible and insightful. Just wanted to let you know.
This video just tripled my appreciation for the movie.
Oh my God. When he suggested JLaw's character being left alone and pondering making the same choice, I actually had chills run down my spine. That would have been REALLY good.
The most cruel irony of all this is: this WAS the orignal plan. The original script for the film starts with Lawrence waking up and only discovering what happened to her in the third act of the film in an extended flashback sequence. But for whatever reason director Morten Tyldum decided to re-arrange the film's structure. Which is especially odd seeing as he;s the director of one of this decade's best thrillers: the cult hit Headhunters. So he should know a thing or two about suspense and how an element of mystery can keep the audience engaged.
tardifan huh... studio interference, perhaps?
Source of that?
I did hear a rumor somewhere that the film had substantial reshoots to retool the movie. I wouldn't put it beyond Sony to interfere, perhaps to capitalize on Pratt's popularity as well as the decline of Lawrence's popularity.
The fact the Lawrence got paid much more than Pratt implied initially that she would be front and center, not him. Also Andy Garcia's part seemed kinda random, like there was more to his role but it got cut down to a brief cameo at the end, even though he got high billing in the credits.
America's boyfriend / girlfriend needed a love story together, so I bet 100% that this was some stupid studio decision...
We need a Director's cut with the original plan!
Hollywood, stop remaking classics.
Instead, remake movies with wasted potential...
hongquiao IVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER
Waterworld
Remaking classics brings in more buck, that's the only thing execs see. They don't want to make classics or even good movies, they want to make money.
Best comment ever!!!
Would be better if they did, but more people are likely to see a remake at the cinema if they liked the original than if they hated it. The better films are more likely to make more money on home release, though of course this has a lower yield to the studio than in cinema.
Ever since I saw this video, it actually frustrates me how the screenwriters had a golden opportunity to make a masterpiece of a film
This is why Gone Girl and Shutter Island worked! Perfect arrangement.
exactly the movies i was thinking of. but i think this movie was trying to capture a different idea, a philosophical one.
I love these suggestions. Jennifer's character being left alone and being forced to make the same choice as Pratt's is really intriguing.
I feel like leaving it open ended with the last shot being Lawrence crying next to someone's pod would have made the audience feel a thousand more things than the cliche love story did
Oh hey Jack, fancy seeing you here! I'm also intrigued by that option, though I wonder what tropes you could still fall into going that route, it might become the predictable ending given some non-thought out foreshadowing.
I'd also be curious if the rest of the film would fall flat when rewatching it with that ending, knowing the irony of Jennifer's devestated reaction to finding out.
I am just playing devils advocate here, I think it would be awesome to see. What traps do you see that ending falling into?
As Kieran would say, HIYYA
When I was watching this movie I was convinced that this will be the ending. There is even a scene when Aurora sees some woman and says something like "I feel like we could be best friends". From that moment I was 100% sure that this woman will be next! Oh well... i was sooo wrong.
jack!!! love that you enjoy nerdwriter too
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This is a great beginning for a horror movie. If we start with her waking up, we see her wandering alone in a seemingly empty ship. Then our first intro to the man is of his back, watching her unknowing, setting an ominous tone. The distance between them shows the lack of trust/safety that exists.
When she asks who he is and how nobody else in her row woke up, he gives a 1 second pause before answering each time, suggesting he's lying. It all really sets a great tone for a horror movie, hinting that he's suspicious without confirming it. The uncertainty of not knowing who he is for certain (could he be a stowaway, an alien, something else?) or what his true goals are keeps the tension up for the movie.
I agree with the video and you for the most part, but one problem I still would have with this edit is that it would be easy to inadvertently make the truth too obvious before the actual reveal, thereby deflating the tension and defeating the point of the edit in the first place. Maybe there would need to be some well-handled misdirection in the screenplay, and of course, as is said in the video, a lot does hinge on the rest of the movie after the reveal.
making the bad guy creepy isn't killing suspense.
Think about the many whodunnit crime procedurals where you don't care about the bad guy because it's just the most random douchbag of the episode.
If your bad guy is obvious but his motives aren't, it can work very well.
What is wrong with that guy?
What danger does he pose?
What does he want?
You know it's a bad guy, but that knowledge is actually what gets yourt mind racing.
there was a scene where he was following her around on the cameras, and that's where my revelation of how good passengers would be as a horror story came from
Aeroldoth3 i
It doesn't necessarily needs to be a horror movie, I think it'd actually be quite easy and boring, because what's the interest here is to take some horror elements, but keeping the original genre of the movie, some Sci-fi romance based on a terrible dilemma of a man scared to die alone. So Pratt's actions with this new edit'd have another dimension, we would have empathy for him as well as for Lawrence, but what he's done would have a hugest impact. That'd be much more interesting than just making him beeing a bad guy, because then there'd be no interrogation about his choice.
The first time I watched this movie was on tv. But I started watching right when she wakes up. So it was like watching the movie through her perspective and I didn't know Chris was the one who woke her up until it was revealed later.
Same!!
@@elijahmarshall475 But did you like it better than the original?
@@sandal_thong8631 I think so
Saaaaame
Wow. Kinda jealous, what an interesting way to watch it, changes the whole feel of the movie
I like the idea of the story starting with her waking up and ending with him dying and her picking someone else to wake up because she realizes that she can't be alone.
I need a rerelease with the story from Aurora's point of view now because this sounds a million times better.
Yeeess
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@@jackdam1882 This is not it. This is a re-edit, but not the same as this video suggests.
It also sounds like Moon, I am Mother and countless other movies. Dunno if it would be "better".
Yeah this was much better...
Having it from Jennifer’s perspective and then ending it with her waking someone up would’ve genuinely been so cool.
yeah
Even better, after he dies there's a montage of her doing stuff and going insane like Chris (but edited shorter), then she also considers waking somebody up and the movie ends before we know whether she pressed the button. Point being, it doesn't matter if she does it or not, it's the fact that in the same situation she'd get to the same point, even if she had already been a victim of the same action she was about to make.
@@neon9999 It would have also hinted at the issue that most offenders have been a victim at some early age; somehow seeding (in some cases, not all cases, obviously) a developement into a disgusting person, or an interesting artist, or both. But then again, this scenario is so artificial (not in the sense of unrealistic storytelling, but in the sense of humans typically not being alone and surrounded tech instead of palnts, animals 'n stuff) that it is difficult to predict behaviour other than madness or depression with suicidal tendencies due to isolation.
No, that defeats the point. It would literally be the exact same thing from there on except the lead is her instead of him
@@Testgeraeusch that would be a better alternative to what the comment suggests
I recently rewatched this, and the only way his characters despicable crime (regardless of it being the act of a “drowning man”) is redeemable is after he sacrifices his life to save the whole ship, he also discovers there’s a space in the medical pod to put one of them back in suspended animation and he not only tells her, he then offers it to her. These two things are VITAL for the audience to forgive him, not just Jennifer’s character. If he couldn’t reverse what he’d done to her, even if he’d saved the life of everyone on board, I personally still would’ve had trouble forgiving him for ruining HER life. Even if SHE forgave him, and then I wouldn’t have enjoyed their romance. But she is given this choice and DECIDES HERSELF to remain with him, thus negating the entire original crime. It was the only way I or most others could’ve seen it as a “happy ending.” So that needed to stay in.
the fact you can edit this so cleanly with backstory, just shows how well Chris actually played his part. Down to a TEA with the thriller genre, but yet such a comedic character
I'd buy this edit not gonna lie
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Nathan Dickson I just finished watching your re-edit and I have to say, well done. It was superb and it made the story so much more enjoyable and so much more interesting. It gave it so much dimension.
One critique I would say is that I personally would've changed the ending of your re-edit so it cuts straight to the credits after seeing Jim smiling at banged up Arthur at the bar. That way our villain gets technically redeemed but he has to spend the rest of his life with the consequences of his actions (which should've happened in the original theatrical version anyway imo) and our badass (for lack of a better term) victim gets "saved" and a second chance at the life she should've had in the first place that was robbed from her.
See then, with this ending, it gives Aurora the conclusion to her character that she deserves, and it eliminates the necessity of that scene at the end where the crew wakes up, because having her take the pod implies that the ship is forever fixed until they get there. And, this way, we can come up with our own epilogue in our minds of what happened after Jim's life ended. Idk, just my thoughts.
I am glad you liked it.
That would work if Jim were the villain, but I did not see him that way nor did I want to paint a picture of him that way. It also would not have logically followed from Aurora’s emotional investment in him when she saved his life. She saw that Jim was a decent man, even a great man, when he sacrificed his life to save 5000 people, something even she was unwilling to do initially. I think she realized that he is a better person than she was and that she might never find another person like him and it suddenly all made sense to her when she was given the choice.
Plus, my wife would have killed me.
After watching this, I am REALLY keen on doing a re-edit myself. I am a sound engineer, so I would redo some dialogue and change the music to generate the new atmosphere. One question though: Do you think this would count as fair usage if I uploaded it to CZcams? Great work Nathan!
There are tons of Star Wars re-edits/fan-edits on youtube and they have been up for years. I suppose this would be the same thing? I would love to see this re-edited.
Damn, you’re right. I actually liked Passengers but the reveal of him having woken her up coming later on in the film would make for a much more intriguing story. Passengers could have been a sci-fi classic instead of the slightly above average popcorn version we got.
What annoyed me about the movie is that it didn't strive to be anything other than a popcorn romance, given how absurd many of the details were from a scientific perspective.
I remember being excited by the ship design when I saw the trailer, because a helical design allows for artificial gravity without the need for made-up, Star Trek-esque physics. (If the ship spins on its central axis, then it creates the feeling of weight.) That's why I was seriously disappointed when, during one of the ship's malfunctions, things started floating into the air because the gravity generator got turned off.
There were at least a couple of other major unscientific or nonsense details that, in total, made it clear to me that the movie was, first and foremost, a romantic movie, and would never be a sci-fi classic in the same way that Interstellar will probably be.
@@mvmlego1212 The set designs were quite amazing to look at.
@@morganross6399 -- Aesthetically, I agree. As cool as the sets looked, though, they were also immensely impractical. Given that everyone on the ship would only be awake for a very, very small portion of the trip, the luxuriousness and sheer spaciousness of everything was an utter waste.
I understand that, because it takes place in the future, it's supposed to be considerably cheaper to build things in space, but that doesn't mean that size isn't a factor at all. They should have taken more inspiration from cruiselines, since they operate under similar constraints.
I hope this isn't interpreted as me hating the movie. There were things about it that I liked. I was just disappointed that a movie which looked like it was going to blend two genres ended up abandoning one of them.
@@mvmlego1212 Thanks tor the lenghty response. However, I thought that when the ship arrived at the planet, the ship would be an integral part fo the new colony's facilities.,
@@morganross6399 -- Maybe. I was under the impression that the ship was going to return to Earth, but I could be wrong about that. I should watch the movie again at some point.
Can we just appreciate how well Pratt acted that even if you look at this from a different angle you can see the turmoil he's facing
I got chills watching and thinking about the re-edit and the shock in finding out a malfunction didn't wake her up. Like for a first watch this movie would have been amazing
I would have enjoyed their romance more, since it would have matched what was advertised and not seemed as rapey as it did. It's amazing he was able to be a good date after being alone for so long. That reminds me of that _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ episode where a version of Ryker gets stranded for years on an outpost and has to readjust to human contact, including romancing the woman he loves, Deanna Troi, that his alternate self broke up with for a career. They should have ended it with both Ryker's on the ship, and made the actor shave his beard and wear a fake one for Commander and clean-shaven for Lieutenant. But for some reason the series didn't want personal conflicts between the main cast.
I love how the movie is so mediocre no one ever remembers their names, they are Chris and Jennifer
Idk, Aurora stuck for me.
Hell I even remembered the name of the ship Avalon cuz it was cool.
@Dagyhub creanbhntsr m yeah, i know art is subjective and this whole video is just opinion. That's just something indicating it once again that i thought worth pointing out
@Dagyhub creanbhntsr m Then perhaps you would've realised that the opinion of the movie being mediocre is Tay Sem's.
@Dagyhub creanbhntsr m The Dark Knight was an amazing movie, I dont think anyone is arguing with that
The sad part about this is that the re-edited version would have gotten better reviews.
Sad? Watch this: czcams.com/video/t8xL7w1POZ0/video.html seriously this whole women get abducted and controlled by a man just to fall in love with them is so discriminating and annoying.
Sad part is that the version NerdWriter1 just showed us would have been an amazing movie, it would have increased its reviews and gotten much better.
@@ducklingscap897 oh dear, someone cited pop culture detective
Keep in mind that critics were looking for a cliche, stalker-type thriller, while a majority of the audience enjoyed the original version. The audience score was over 60% early on. There have been far too many movies where the protagonist encounters a seemingly nice person who turns out to be a stalker and eventually a psychopath (Single White Female, Misery, Cape Fear, Unlawful Entry, Poison Ivy, Fear, One Hour Photo, etc. etc. etc.) . They were followed by remakes and copycats. I actually developed an interactive engine that allows the viewer to switch between multiple perspectives at will and basically create their own cut of the movie in realtime. Their impression of protagonist, antagonist, or bystander depends on how much of which perspectives they have experienced. It will be interesting to see how much of the audience leans one way or the other.
@@ducklingscap897 Yeah. I think the only good way to end this film still interestingly and differently enough to be critically viewed as uniquely good is to do this rearrangement of J Law's perspective comes first, and then the Twilight zone ending as he pointed where Chris dies and J Law go to the verge of insanity about being alone and wanting to unfreeze someone else. Although a problem with that is many people will agree people don't generally just automatically comes to the same conclusion as what Chris had in the film, because it was a morally wrong decision to take, so forcing J Law into that decision again is really pushing it.
i mean the easiest way to go would be to just make this a thriller with Chris being the bad guy from the get go, because then the bad guy and good guy will be crystal clear. And this idea has been done a million times before. I don't think people actually want another film like that; many feel that they do only because Chris Pratt is playing the character and we just want to see him go bad once. But in the end, it will be very unoriginal, and critics will just give it a slightly above average score in the end. I feel that by nature, we like it when everything is more black and white. Good guy looks like good guy, and bad guy looks like bad guy. We are afraid of thinking about Stockholm relationships, because it's very creepy by nature and we are very confused as to how we should view it and think of it. On one hand.... poor guy I would hate to be him; on the other hand, this is literal abduction and rape. So by default, it will disgust a lot of viewers from the get-go and it will make it difficult for people to judge this film more objectively.
Honestly I still liked this film, not because of the predicable plots or how it went, but because the film was courageous enough to try something different and try to make you feel bad for the captor in a Stockholm relationship and make the guy look good since the beginning with no physical violence, berating of the woman, or direct threatening involved, which it made me think a lot about human nature, temptations, morals, etc. And I think in the end, if a film can do more than just tell a story, and can provoke thoughts to its audience, it was a good movie. Not a lot of movies can do that nowadays, especially not the ones that spend all their energy on CGI and explosions.
5 years passed, but this video assay is ingrained in my brain. This is so epic and well done, probably my favorite rewrite if a script of all time. I wish we got to see it on screen
I also think the mission itself is interesting enough to just have a movie about the people who went to Homestead II tbh.
OKAY MY LIFE NEEDS TO GET ME TO A POINT WHERE MY BRAIN WORKS THIS WAY BECAUSE THE SUGGESTIONS AND IDEAS YOU HAD MADE THE STORY SO MUCH NEWER AND BETTER
"I was genuinely surprised by how creepy Pratt's character is, when you take away his point of view."
I found Pratt's character creepy even knowing his point of view.
me too that scene where he is following her behind the fountain man.
Juju Bean With a face like that I can't find him creepy
yeah fans are creepy as shit
Juju Bean Personally I didn't find Pratt's character creepy. I wasn't confused by his motives, but I was bored by the predictability of the plot. It would've been much more entertaining to start with Aurora. Having her wake up with Jim already there, lurking around the ship, etc. We could piece together the information ourselves and depending on the third act, end with Aurora contemplating the same fate. It would've been like The Shining in space, which sounds pretty epic
Lucky i wonder if one of the writers thought of this but some big wig calling the shots assumed that the audience would be too stupid to take a twist like that, with a big budget in space, they probably didn't want to take the risk.
This movie could have gone full psychological horror had they taken such a well proposed path of events.
Jorgen Pakieto I can't watch Passengers now without thinking about this video lol. It could've been so much better with just a few minor changes. Scrap the additional malfunctions, scrap Lawrence Fishburne (sorry Lawrence). They could've gone full thriller and stuck with just two people, one a bit unhinged. Then flashback to show Jim losing it in solidarity. Ugh the possibilities!
It's amazing, honestly. It makes you think how great this movie couldv'e been if only they had changed the point of view. One small choice changes everything.
@@luckyDancer100 They could have kept Gus, but instead Aurora finds a way to get him out of hibernation, perhaps by one of the robots on remote control, but botches it. That would put her in the same moral position as Jim.
This reorder re-edit makes the story so much more compelling
I love your ending with her alone and thinkin about waking up someone else
I love the idea of the crying ending here. She cries, not because she is about to wake somebody up, she can't imagine doing that to someone else. She is crying because deep down she knows that the strength of that moral choice will deteriorate over time, and that one day she will do it.
And in her scenario it's worse than it was for Chris, because she's gone through it and knows EXACTLY what it feels like. Damn, that would have been some story.
When Chris is laying in bed right after she attacks him is when you should cut to the first act of the movie and show his experience of the year alone.
or she needed someone to open a jar.
Oh holy fuck that's SO FUCKING GOOD
@Overlordian I would argue that knowledge of this very thing necessitates a moral imperative
I'd legit pay some good coin for a full reedit of the movie
find the time stamps and jump to and forth :D
Yeah its interesting enough I'd be down to help do it.
Start with her point of view getting led around the ship first act. Second act they fall in love, though cut some of the scenes out for later. Third act she realizes his crime, Splice in a few of him near the end going crazy as he realizes what was lost now. long hair and eating in bed. 4rth they malfunction and part of his struggles before she was there. he dies. end with shots of her in the ship but without him as if she continues afterwards. and then a few of her by the pods like he was to show that she might commit the same crime.
I have an idea how you could do it. Start with Jen and then leave as it was until Pratt dies. As she tries to CPR him cut to a flashback when he wakes up a year earlier. And when we get to his decision to wake up Jen, we go back to the CPR scene. He wakes up and the movie goes normally until the end.
MatiZ815 go darker! make it a horror flick
+MatiZ815 If I had the time, I would've already started making this, its stellar!
6 years later and this is still profound. I love this.
Alls I know is, Jennifer Lawrence has been in a lot of movies but I liked this one the most. For some reason, her character checked all the boxes. I cant blame her for falling back in love once she realized her dilemma in potentially being alone if the ship wasnt fixed or Jim/Chris Pratt didnt return. I found her character arc fascinating and her performance as an actress irresistible. Never felt the same with other films.
what if Jennifer Lawrence wasn't the first girl he woke up :o
imagine if Jennifer discovered bodies of girls Chris woke up and murdered.
Yeah...there was so much that could have been done
Then you'd have Moon, a much better movie.
tree bear Or she finds other empty *insert what they were sleeping in* and assumes he killed other people.
^ imagine Jennifer goes crazy at the end and wakes everybody up and says "fuck you all" roll credits
An ending with Lawrence staring at a sleeping passenger, then looking up at the camera, then movie ends. The viewer doesn't know if she chooses to wake up the person or not. Thats a good ending! Gah!
Opens up nicely for a part II as well.
I got chills as soon as he said it, it would've been a really fantastic ending.
It's more original and interesting but also more sad, dark and depressing for an ending. I would prefer the happier ending for this movie.
@@TheStOne1 I enjoyed the movie was it is...the focus on relationships and the message that relationship is more important than many things we think important. It's one of my favorite movies.
But surely a darker version would have interested more people. It would have been less character sketch and more suspenseful, which would have worked well.
I'm glad you guys don't actually write movies... it would have been the last one I would have watched from the director.
I like the idea of making it a thriller but the thing is that we already have A LOT of thrillers in space but we don't have much LOVE STORIES in space so I will back up the director for going this route instead of going to a mystery thriller. They may have thought about it but have chosen a more predictable ending yet a very satisfying love story that we need.
I paused it before they said it, and guessed it exactly! It just makes so much sense to tell from her point of view, I mean, my first realization was that they should've just withheld the reveal that he was the one that woke her up until much later, and then put The reactor problem right after , having already relegated his solo portion of the story to backstory that he tells her. They hang out fall in love, blah blah, blah, blah blah, then she finds out that in reality he woke her, but we are finding out at the same time!
And then I realized that the only way to do that, the smart way was to start with her point of view and just tell the story from there inserting the rest after it.
But as soon as you start watching, what it would look like from that point of view - what it looks like to me as soon as I hit play to see if my guesses were right - is you realize the giant plot hole that was present in the original movie.
Imagine it from her point of view. Some dude has supposedly been alone on the ship for a whole year or so, he sees someone who must know herself to be a beautiful woman, his first human companionship in that long, and he's all charming and clean-shaven and expects to see her, not shocked and distraught and crazy-relieved that there's almost ANY other human to talk to ?
A smart chick would've figured that out within MINUTES.
At worst most women I think would've figured that out within a few days or weeks. They wouldn't be able to help themselves. They would have a nasty itch that suggested something very unpleasant. If they have even the slightest memory of what it was like to first meet him, they'd be like WTF?
Passengers: Nerdwriter Edition - shut up and take my money!
I wish I could watch this movie over the first time with this plot.
I'm considering cutting the film and showing it to family that way for their first experience. I wonder if that would be cruel.
Doug, if you do this, you are hereby legally bound to upload it somewhere. I've never seen this movie, nor have I seen a fan edit before. I desperately want this.
If you do re-cut it, please reply with a link to it :)
drive.google.com/uc?id=0B6ddqhJCu3GQU0dJU0dzUUJhTnM&export=download
Can I trust you, John? This being a new PC and all, I'd rather not be the dope who downloaded five trojan horses and a bitcoin miner because a kind stranger gave him an awesome gift.
You know what, I checked your profile, and you seem legit. If this is what I think it is, I wouldn't even mind if you got cyber-rich off my folly.
When I gave my critic partners my manuscript for revision, they all asked me why I didn't make it a romance. Mind you, my book is about abduction; it's also a space opera, but it is about abduction, fear, and free will at its core. I couldn't help but wonder if the women who read my manuscript and asked for me to turn it into a romance were okay. Also, my protagonist does fall in love twice. Both times, it was a much more healthy romance and way less predictable than what my critics' partners were suggesting.
Jim thinking he's completely and utterly alone
The robot bartender: Am I a joke to you?
I've heard this "it should have been done from her POV" before, but this is the best video discussing it.
So make this change PLUS have Chris Pratt DIE in the end and the depiction of her living alone and does she wake someone else up... THAT would have been a bitching movie
Like in the end we see her broken and crying and then she presses the button and blurs as camera focuses on new awoken passenger taking long breath and then the movie ends. This way you could end it there or make continuation. btw i am sorry for my english if i made any mistakes
Jennifer Lawrence POV?? where¡
If pratt dies, she can go back to sleep in the extra hibernation pod, why live alone?!
also recast chris because it’s hard to see him as an evil character
@@jsvprime2638 They could write their way out of that pretty easily... Has to be done by a person outside the pod for some reason etc.
Damn. So this is why editing has it's own Oscar...
This is not the same, editors can't change the plot structure
@@edthe2nd - Sometimes the director decides to re-arrange the story & plot, then reshoot parts of it. In fact, re-shoots are pretty common in film It's the editor's job to make this restructure appear seamless. And THAT is why editing gets its own category, bc it's a damn hard job to work with what you've got and translate that into the director's vision.
Screenwriting rather
Yeah sadly it's not really given to good editing. It's more the oscar to give away for a movie that doesn't get the big ones. For example the editing in "Bohemian Rhapsody" was really not oscarworthy
edthe2nd Plots have often been changed in the editing room. Lots of movies have several versions and essential it comes down to production company which version they will release. Eyes Wide Shut is one of those stories. The direction wasn’t allowed to release the version he wanted and it became a war with the studio. He conveniently died and the studio was able to get rid of the original version.
You just blew my mind with your rearranged analysis! This could’ve been a whole different kind of movie.
I saw this in another video’s comments, and apparently in the original script, the writer made this a psychological thriller; Chris is the bad guy here, and his actions are slowly revealed towards the end. However, the producers or director, I don’t know who, just wanted to make this a romantic cash grab, so they changed it completely. Your feelings on this movie is completely accurate, because it’s what it was supposed to be.
That's completely false.The original script is available online and the changes in the third act are nothing like this.
I enjoyed the romance. It made it a really good "date" movie.
And is was nice to see the male in a hetero relationship not be a creep or a villian; but instead, a man of courage who took action that expressed his love for his female partner.
@@johnconstantine1604 - it wasn’t bad but the changes could have taken it from good to great or even classic status.
Gus explained the situation: Jim was drowning by not having any human contact for months and made a decision necessary for his mental health, but really bad for Aurora. It took me out of the movie, as it hadn't been advertised that way. I don't think he was a bad guy, but found the romance disgusting and rapey. It would be like a girl washes up on the island in _Cast Away_ and Tom Hanks's character rapes her before she regains consciousness.
firstly that whole statement is false. delete the comment. and regardless the clear reason this movie would have been reordered in that case is to focus it on being the philosophical/psychological story that it was
This movie is actually so creepy: the guy basically stole her entire life, locking her up with him forever while they don't even know each others, taking away her autonomy and freedom. This is the plot of an horror movie.
And the fact that she forgives him and they fall in love at the end is very unsettling according to me
Stockholm syndrome, totally plausible
I would like to know what decision would you have made in Pratt's position.
@@DerezzedMan not wake her up?? lmao
@@DerezzedMan Well, I have never been in Pratt's position of course, but if I did what he did it would still not be ok.
I'm not saying I would be better then him, I'm saying it's pretty f*cked up to make it look like a romance.
Lmao
When she asks if he woke her up, and he says he "tried not to" makes him seem actually crazy.
@M. de k. **tips fedora**
Well he did go crazy, didn't he?
Absolutely love this! This shift would’ve made this an iconic horror movie. Wow. Just wow. This would’ve been a 10/10 in my book.
That's amazing it was a really interesting take on the movie and I'd really love to watch it.
Having Aurora getting so lonely and depressed to contemplate if she would make the same decision to open another pod would be an amazing open ending.
Jesus Christ, this was a brilliant episode!
hendricogrobler Mind. Blown.
Gosh, this would have made me love the movie sooo much more.
Man... you're awesome...
Didn't see ten movie. But by the alternative you offer here, it seems it could have easily been risen to a more engaging experience. Basically, I agree with you.
hendricogrobler Agreed
Wow now that is a movie I would see.
Tessa !!! :D
masikwha : Leave Tessa alone!
Then make it
find the time stamps and jump to and forth :D
If I ever watch this with friends who haven't seen the movie I'll show it to then like this
I really like the idea of the ending where Chris Pratt died, and then Jen goes through the exact same depression period he went through. It would be cool to see the movie ending with her waking someone else up. I loved the vid but I wish he explored that option a bit more
That Twilight ending at the end there was jaw dropping.
Can still do the whole he saved the ship from malfunction plot, or he offed himself from guilt, leaving her alone - Both can give her a huge emotional stress, which would build up over time, forcing her to make one of three choices, off herself, live till she dies alone, or wake someone up as well.
Thats amazing.
or they could make money and have a second film called passenger 2 were she wakes up the next person the next passenger. i dont know why hollywood cant see a series that would make them so much money. cuz there really isnt anything like a passenger series out there.
The ending would’ve felt like black mirror, in this arrangement. Holy crap, holy crap.
No. Not at all. You're stupid.
JE5677 And youre ignorant lol
Kæla Brown I can hear exit music by Radiohead playing. Would’ve been perfect.
Never ending scenario where every passenger wakes up the next person infinity out of desperation and loneliness. That sounds better than black mirror..
Yep.
I literally cannot unsee this edit. I’m actually really irritated that they didn’t make the movie this way. It’s utterly brilliant. I would suggest we start a petition to have THIS movie made but everyone already knows what would happen, thus maintaining the predictability we were trying to avoid.
Ah, but if nobody saw the first one... or you just gave them new names and re-shot it.
I hope someone with editing skills make a recut of it.
#ReleaseTheNerdwriterCut
From what i know, it was originally intended to be that way (creepy and told from Aurora's pov) but the corporates(? decided to change it into a more "romantic" story. If i'm not wrong, you can read the original script online
Agree
Omg u hit the nail on the he head. I've always felt kinda weird that we were so endeared to this guy who's kinda a murderer in a sense. This works SO much better because u want to dig rather than feeling like ur being convinced to like Pratts character. What if I don't want to like him all that much? I'd be as mad as Lawrence !
Revisiting this video after a couple of years when I first watched it and its honestly one of the best video essays I've ever seen. Absolutely fascinating.
This. Blew. My. Mind.
I haven't seen Passengers because the story wasn't interesting to me. But this rearranged cut? I would watch the living hell out of this movie.
You didn't miss anything. It was a snooze fest!
Same here; I scrolled down once he started with his alternate pitch to see if he put a link to his fan-edit so we could watch it, incomplete as it may be. But alas, no he did not leave the link.
reminds me of Ex Machina
I originally wanted to see Passengers hoping it'd be one of those suspenseful drama/thrillers.
That's exactly where I'm at with this.
This should be shown in every film class.
Dan Burkhardt why? I haven't watched the movie so I don't see the benefit
not that this particular film should be shown in class, but the process of rearranging and editing an existing film to better the story, deepen the plot, etc
Yes that is clearly what I was saying. Thanks.
oddly enough this entire concept can be summed up in one of Kurt Vonnegut's 8 writing rules: start the story as close to the end as possible....but then another one of the rules is: Give your readers as much information as possible as soon as possible. To heck with suspense..
In film class they talk about the difference of whether the audience knows there's a bomb about to go off under a table. If they don't then when it happens it's a shock. But if they do, and the main characters don't then it's suspenseful.
I’m back rewatching this video. I originally watched it when it came out. I think about this video almost every month. I think it’s brilliant how you can almost save the film just by showing things in a different order. This video is what made me ok with watching “bad” movies - because they present an opportunity to think about where it went wrong. Thank you!
Every now and then I go back and watch this video wishing I would’ve gotten this experience! I wanted to like this movie so bad, and this switching around of the order elevates the film so much!
if they had let chris die, it would be cool if jennifer woke another person to keep her company.
famouskenneth exactly!!!
Good idea, I think we can make this happen by manipulating the sequences...
I love this idea.
noooo let the movie in a opening with us knowing if she was going to open or not
I had a similar idea. It would have been a more interesting ending. You could end it with her looking at his plans as to how he sabotaged her stasis tube and wondering if she should do it.
Now I really want to see a movie where Chris Pratt plays a legitimate villain
Impossible never gonna happen
You mean Avengers: Infinity War?
Benjamin Robinson Nooooo lol
I know I'm going to get a lot of "boo, hiss" from this comment but while I would looooove to see that, I don't think Pratt is talented enough to pull it off. He's great at goofy, loveable, quippy, and charming but I honestly don't think he has any depth beyond that. It'd be awesome to be proven wrong though!
than watch this movie. he plays an abuser. it doesnt get closer to reality
Nice work. Agree with your re-splicing the film into different time zones. Especially like the idea of Jennifer having to face the same question. Deep, man.
Just watched it and totally agree with the rearranging. It felt like we knew almost everything and the third character is just used to tell us an simple explanation that provide a somewhat plot, and that feeling bugs me to really get me focusing on the movie. More depth would've definitely help, and lead to a more meaningful meaning even the ending doesn't change.
I like how you give constructive criticism instead of just bashing it at every chance you get. I agree with you that it should be celebrated that this was a completely original script. You put a great twist on the movie that would've made it way better but you appreciate it for what it is.
Luke Bae original? He just said Solaris did the same thing.
Mikhanator Watch the video again.
A lot of movies start you out in the middle of the action left to figure out what happened. But as an overall idea, yes this is an original story even neither if the theoretical execution nor the actual execution were original.
oh my god i was actually creeped tf out from chris when the re-edit happened
Haven't scene the movie and I agree. The flat affect was creepy as FUCK
@@cjboyo vimeo.com/221538999
"I tried not to" hits so hard in this version. x.X
It's really cool how many ways you could change this simple story around to make it more intense. I do enjoy how they chose to tell the story. They tried to make you feel happy and satisficed at the end of the move. Good story telling. Nice job. Not too shabby🙂
That twilight zone ending would've made this one fucking epic movie!
Seriously. But the sad thing is, it would be very hard to get that movie made in Hollywood. The only reason Passengers got made as an original screenplay is because it was so fucking trite and predictable, the execs could sign off on it.
Atandra Anwesh when he said that shit it blew my mind
Atandra Anwesh how did twilight ending happen?
@Baeck John Twilight zone episodes usually had some kind of moment 22 twist ending. It's not any specific ending.
+Baeck John A Twilight Zone ending refers to the old TV Show The Twilight Zone, not the movie Twilight. Twilight Zone episodes usually had an ending that gave an ironic twist to the story you just watched. One of the most famous episodes of the Twilight Zone had aliens arrive on Earth and help humanity end famine and wars and bring about global peace, to the point where humans began to willing leave Earth and travel to the alien's homeworld. At the end of the episode you discover the reason the aliens did all this for humans was so the aliens could *eat* the humans. The book one of the aliens had left behind, the title of which had been translated as "To Serve Man" (which was also the title of the episode) was actually a cookbook.
A Twilight Zone type ending for Passengers, in this case, is exactly what the video above talked about: Pratt's character dying, and Lawrence's character growing just as lonely as Pratt's character had, to the point of looking like she's about to do to someone the same thing Pratt did to her as the movie ends (though you don't know if she does or not).
i would of loved the movie so much more if the audience didn't know that Pratt woke up Lawrence until she did
Here is the re-edit by someone! vimeo.com/221538999
No... you would HAVE loved it much more... how come so many people get that wrong?? I'm danish and I'm correcting an english speaking person? So sad.. 😭
@@henrikhansen2480 because people write it how they say it and that's how it sounds in their local accent
@@thedesigner388 .. and why do they do that? Don't tell me it's not basic spelling from the EARLIEST of grades. It's literally some of the first words people learn in school.
@@thedesigner388 then it should have been "I would've loved the movie so much more..."
Still one of my favourite video of all time. My mindset literally switched after this media lesson.
I always wanted this movie to be a surprise that Chris had woken her up as the plot twist. It could have started with both of them together and then secrets revealed through the movie eventually reach that truth/reveal, and then the idea that Chris is a villain could come out. That extra twist ending with her doing the exact same thing at the end could easily be a great horror movie all together. Looking back at this movie after so long, overall I found it a nice to watch movie although it had its annoying holes.
Fuck. Now i WANT to see this entire version of the movie. That alternate ending of Pratt dying and then Jennifer Lawrence doing the same exact thing he did due to loneliness just sounds genius. It'd be like some kinda "dark" poetry.
Á la Romeo and Juliet almost.
A better ending is we don't see her do it, we just see her faced with doing it and we're given enough information to doubt if she did or didn't and you can argue with your friend son the way out about whether you thought she did it or not.
I'm a firm believer in the notion that the question is more interesting than the answer most of the time. That's why I hate Ridley Scott in his later years.
Not genius. It does sounds good, but no genius value. Don't overrate.
Question: Aren't average people meant to live to 100+ years old in the future? Assume 125 or 130. This is another twist that could have added some tension if one would not necessarily die (just grow very old) in transit.
True. I do believe that this proposed edit would make the movie much more interesting, but it's not something that would completely re-write the history of film making.
I liked the movie, or at least first part. But with your adjustments and new ending, it would be new SciFi classic.
Agreed my good man.
totally agreed!
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He becomes creepy because you're finally seeing him exclusively from the POV of the woman. They had to try really hard in the beginning to make him likable, because he did do a pretty terrible thing - waking up one hot woman exclusively for his benefit. It's hard for me to see him being rewarded by her forgiveness. Idk if you're familiar with Pop Culture Detective, but he did an excellent video called Abduction as Romance that featured this movie.
a woman would have done the same thing. Humans do not work in isolation. We need socialization to not go insane. His choices, (and hers had she woken up first), make perfect sense given human psychology. Rather than suggesting this is men being creepy or evil etc, it should be used as a discussion for human psychology. This isn't a sexism thing of ¨see this is how women feel with creepy men!¨ instead it´s a hard to swallow pill that humans are not meant to be alone. People who have few friends growing up and get a job and live alone are more likely to be depressed.
@@AdonisGaming93 You're absolutely right about the socialization aspect. However, the assumption in this movie is that you'd wake someone up who is hot and that you're attracted to. People forget that you can get companionship without sex. If I were alone on a ship, I'd wake up another woman because she is statistically less likely to be a threat to my well-being. So yes, some sexism still comes into play with this movie. Imagining myself in Jennifer Lawrence's position, I'd be creeped out as hell by Chris Pratt. Being lonely doesn't cancel out the creepiness.
I think it does though. Actually being alone for a long time does horrible things to a person. This is why the audience accepts Jim's creepy behaviour as his brain being unable to handle finally interacting with another human again (the audience wouldn't have accepted this if we didn't have the forst act to warm us up to him). Humans are great at empathy, usually. This is why I would have loved the twilight ending where Aurora experiences what Jim experienced, then she can finally (realistically) forgive him. Apart from that I doubt you'll be thinking super logically if you decide to wake someone up, which is why I understand Jim waking up a hot woman as opposed to some old fat guy. It's just his base emotions overcoming his logic as his mind struggles with loneliness. Furthermore, I cannot comment on what a woman would do in this situation as I am not a woman and thusly have no clue what one would be thinking at this point. Good day!
@@randok7771 Did you watch the video I suggested in my original post though? This isn't just about how loneliness would impact this one guy. It's a systemic pattern in writing that does not need to exist where women are controlled or actually abducted by men, yet the story shows these men in a sympathetic light. I agree that the ethics in this particular movie can be murky because loneliness could hinder judgement, but there are dozens of other movies that romanticize similar stories. It gets tiring to see a man's autonomy and desires taken more seriously than a woman's, and that happens frequently in real life. Even in this very discussion, Chris' experience is seen as more traumatizing to you, whereas I'm imagining how it would feel to find out that a man virtually stalked me, sabotaged my hibernation pod, sentencing me to death on a spaceship, and lied to me about it. Chris being seen as more valuable and more sympathetic is exactly the unrealistic balance I'm talking about. The movie becomes scary as hell when you finally empathize with Jennifer, which is partially what makes it a better movie. It stops being a crappy trope at that point. They would need to change the ending for that as well, with either Jim dying or Aurora taking her life back by going into hibernation again.
I totally agree with this sentiment. This is why I said I think she forgives him way too easily. It is creepy af and it should have been. It is quite sad that this is a trope as it stops actually good stories from being told and gives people a warped perspective of the scenario. Honestly the moment they cast Chris Pratt as one of the lead actors I knew this wouldn't be a thriller. Pratt is always typecast as the scrappy lovable hero, he could never be the evil villain (Well maybe he could but the studios would never allow that). I did watch the video and I must agree with it and consequently you. I still sympathize with Pratt, however, that does not absolve him from awakening Aurora (abduction) and her then instantly forgiving him. Like I said would have been better to let Aurora actually see Pratt's decision as horrible and not forgive him, until she starts to experience the same thing he does in the twilight ending. In the end the movie had a great ethical dilemma but went nowhere with it and just rewrote it as a love film that doesn't actually work since Jim essentially sentences Aurora to die with the man who condemned her. It's pretty fucked up when you think about it.
Switching the main POV would have made it sooo much better and it’s such a simple change. And the twilight zone ending where Chris Pratt’s character dies and Jens character waking someone up like he did, then ending it there before they actually wake up. It would’ve been such a bomb ass movie. Such a shame they didn’t do that..
Olivia IKR! Goosebumps!
Saw this video years ago. Even now after revisiting this, I still really want to see the version of the movie you imagined. I would watch the entire movie over again with these edits.
I cant believe how good your comments are. I like this movie and the plot since a film with sci-fi and romance is hard to find but I always felt something was missing in the plot and you filled that gap, thank you! you got yourself a subscriber
Can someone actually edit this movie the way NW describes? I will pay to watch that!
im just gonna leave this here til someone sends a link
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@@reiner889011 same
In your version, Chris Pratt’s much more creepy in his greeting.
When Chris is laying in bed right after she attacks him is when you should cut to the first act of the movie and show his experience of the year alone.
Wow, this is really well put together and thought provoking.
Thanks for sharing!
Sad thing is in one of the scenes in the movie Jennifer's character realises that everyone would have been woken up and doomed later on anyway due to the malfunction meaning that Jim actually did the right thing, which makes her terrified and guilty of the things she said and did to Jim, amazing scene and amazing film
I'm not sure if I would call it "the right thing", personally... the decision was still horrible, he just got really lucky that it later turned out there was an even worse outcome possible!
If you play Russian Roulette then it isn't the placement of the bullet in the chamber that makes it a dumb decision. The morality of a decision requires both intent and forethought and he could not have predicted that he would end up saving anything.
@@nicolaim4275 I think this film shows both sides. It shows what a horrible decision it was for him to do what he did and yet showed us what a difficult decision it was and how many of us would have done the same thing. The film didn't judge what was right or what was wrong. Only that there were tough decisions to make.
@@ScottCleve33 My comment was about the problematic logic of judging a past event on things happening in the future that you can't predict.
I don't like that part of the ending, making it a two-person rush job, or the ship will explode in seconds, therefore justifying her awakening.