Why I Like The Movie Passengers (2016)
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If the film started with Aurora awakening to find Jim already awake, and then knowledge of his past actions slowly unfolded, it could have been a tense and compelling mystery thriller.
Good point. But I actually like simple, linear storytelling. It's a movie, makes it easier, and why dies everything have to be so complicated now. Glad they did it the way they did
I saw that video essay too
I've seen this take on the Wikipedia page (Jennifer Lawrence has advocated for it even). But I think it's not a good idea. It would be a different movie. I think the interesting aspect is wondering about the morality of that decision. This is good writing in my opinion because it's driven by the actions of the characters, they aren't simply reacting to whatever's going on. The early draft of the story had SPOILERS all the sleeping pods being destroyed after the ship malfunctions and thus the story becomes more complex - while Jim was stranding her with him by waking her up, he still saved Aurora's life. The ending would've been the descendants of the two passengers colonizing the new planet, there was also some type of artificial birthing facility.
Yea. But, compassion for Aurora, is lost, once she ALSO strives to wake up the crew. Because she’s doing the same thing Jim did. Or at least WANTED to. She’d have fond the same. She would have reviewed files and would have awoken people she thought might be able to help, and she wouldn’t have felt bad, because she couldn’t even see her own lean towards the same crime she accuses him of. The only reason she didn’t also wake up others, is because she couldn’t get into the crew quarters.
I think it would have been interesting if when the other people wake up they find a single person in the med bay pod. The person is genetically screened and found to be a 16-18 year old not in the passenger manifest. It is their child that they put to sleep so that they could have a new life with the colonists.
What if they'd had twins or more?
@@charmingpeasant9834 Don't have more after the first pregnancy. If the first pregnancy is twins, the crew find two 8 year olds instead of one 16 year old.
Exactly. Would have been a great ending.
@@Aliksander54 there was only 1 pod bro. Good idea but falls short sadly.
@@swordfish356dt Eh, just put some dry wall down the middle, now you have two pods. :p
My favorite part about Passengers is easily the antagonist. You're set up to believe, like virtually every other Hollywood movie, that the ultimate force behind the scenes is some sort of mustache-twirling, evil corporation or businessman. Instead, to my supreme satisfaction, that... doesn't happen. The antagonist is a realistic set of forces involving systems, complexity, technology. So much better than yet another "muh capitalism bad" take.
It wasn't capitalism this time... It was the frackin' algorithms!
I'd argue that the company funding this project should have had safeguards in case of early awakenings and a system to put them back to sleep. I mean, the med-pod was capable of it.
But it wasn't hammered on. More like a Titanic "This couldn't possible happen!" situation.
1. There are many far better "capitalism bad" takes than the ones that came out in recent years.
2. This film has literally no antagonist, just the peril of having to spend 90 years alone in a soon-to-be-derelict ship with virtually no chance of rescue whatsoever.
3. This film would have worked better as a horror/thriller film than a romance.
@@mat2000100 Good point
@@mat2000100 There are no good takes on capitalism being bad because it's actually good.
I thought it was a great film about the classical relationship between men and women and how they must struggle TOGETHER to survive. Both have things they bring to the table and act as complement and supplement. Only being truly whole and complete when they act as one.
It’s about a man destroying a woman’s life to have a relationship with her.
@@williammorgan7769 , that's one, exceedingly cynical and narrow minded, interpretation.
Fully agreed. If I look beyond the actress, the message of the movie is a good one. It cuts deep into the core of human nature, for both males and females.
@@chthulu27 lol… no… be quiet.
@@AManCalledDutch , nah, I'll pass on that very stupid idea.
I love this movie. Guilty pleasure is a good way to put it. It is endlessly re-watchable. Jennifer Lawrence's acting is excellent. The scenes where she drags Jim to the auto-doc is particularly spectacular. She can convey so much emotion with no words at all.
They were both great. Their chemistry is IMO what makes the film work. Fishburne was also a nice side character, playing the "wise old sage that's dying" trope.
Agreed, i could watch it again and again. Very enjoyable!
Passengers is an interesting film.
It’s a film about loneliness and finding and falling in love and all the bad decisions and choices that come with it.
Chris Pratt and Jennifer Lawrence were amazing
They really had a chemistry that made the film work.
Haha the acting sucked so hard lmao!
I always liked this film very much, because it is a SCIENCE-FICTION... Much-much more believable than all the weed induced nightmares called sci-fi lately.
When I watch sci-fi I do it because I want it to be actually believable. Sci-fi supposed to be close to reality, the fiction is used to set up the special circumstances required to tell the story.
the problem was the cliche storytelling, when there was a great opportunity missed.
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3 sections of the movie ALL told from the perspective from the guy:
1. guy wakes up accidentally and he is alone
2. guy wakes up girl and they are together
3. the danger makes them work together and accept the situation as it is
In the sequence 1-2-3 it is a space-adventure-love-story
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Now... what I would have done --> MIX it up!!
2. girl wakes up and finds a dude already awoken, they spend time together, but something strange (all girl perspective, ends before girl finds out situation)
1. jump back in time to guy wakes up accidentally, and progress to the point when guy wakes up girl (all guy perspective)
3. Now we know the story from BOTH perspective, we sympathize with BOTH of them, and than girl finds out what the guy did
...and the story progresses and concludes as it did in the movie released.
@@Jeff.55649 What's a movie that had phenomenal acting for you?
@@meleardil Yes, your version I think would have been a stronger narrative. But I think they dumbed it down because they probably thought this was going to be a movie that couples might have gone to see. It was made with that as its primary audience. The human nature aspect of the film is what really works. It digs to the core of our need for companionship, and the "sci-fi" is just nice window dressing. In some ways, this is just "The Blue Lagoon in Space"
I love this movie, and honestly I found the ending one of the best parts. The past 15-20 years of entertainment media has been awash in a morass of cynicism, nihilism, depression, degeneracy, cruelty, smugness, and seems to have reveled in telling stories deliberately crafted to make the viewer feel bad. Awful people being awful to each other with a bad ending, no heroes, death, misery, subverted expectations, and everyone down in the muck of pettiness and immorality/amorality. Frankly, I'm tired of it and have been tired of it for years. Passengers actually told a fun story about likeable people with redeeming qualities who got a happy ending. I'm honestly shocked modern Hollywood even allowed it to be made. It is even pretty much entirely devoid of The Message. I'm glad they didn't make it into a dark thriller or psychological horror movie, or try to make it seem more "mature" by having Chris Pratt die or some other such dreary nonsense.
I always liked this film very much, because it is a SCIENCE-FICTION... Much-much more believable than all the weed induced nightmares called sci-fi lately.
When I watch sci-fi I do it because I want it to be actually believable. Sci-fi supposed to be close to reality, the fiction is used to set up the special circumstances required to tell the story.
the problem was the cliche storytelling, when there was a great opportunity missed.
-------------------------------------------------
3 sections of the movie ALL told from the perspective from the guy:
1. guy wakes up accidentally and he is alone
2. guy wakes up girl and they are together
3. the danger makes them work together and accept the situation as it is
In the sequence 1-2-3 it is a space-adventure-love-story
-------------------------------
Now... what I would have done --> MIX it up!!
2. girl wakes up and finds a dude already awoken, they spend time together, but something strange (all girl perspective, ends before girl finds out situation)
1. jump back in time to guy wakes up accidentally, and progress to the point when guy wakes up girl (all guy perspective)
3. Now we know the story from BOTH perspective, we sympathize with BOTH of them, and than girl finds out what the guy did
...and the story progresses and concludes as it did in the movie released.
@@meleardil Nope, it was fine as is, the only thing it needed was for them to have more of their life post fixing the ship. I would've loved it if they could've had kids and then found a bunch of spare auto-docs and all gone to sleep, only waking up when they get to the planet.
@@anon_y_mousse "it was fine as is" Yes, it was, and I like it... But the story-line WAS a cliche, and I think it would have made the story better if the audience can not guess literally the full story-line after just 10 minutes of the movie.
@@meleardil Tarantino'ing the timeline wouldn't have made it any less predictable, just annoying to watch.
Fully agree. I'm also sick of the cynical nonsense we keep getting. A lot of people complained this should have been a psychological thriller (the Prat character being a serial killer, or some nonsense like that. Having him die, and then the Lawrence character having to fight the urge to wake someone else up). What a bunch of BS. Movies like that are a dime a dozen right now.
I was pleasantly surprised with this film. Hard science fiction and some realistic human responses to the various situations. I especially like when he wakes her up and she eventually realizes being woken up is an effective death sentence due to the duration of the trip. I thought his motivation and her eventual reaction are spot on and were the best parts of the film.
I really enjoyed this movie. I am a total sucker for the concept of people living on a spaceship for very extended periods. The concept of just being a guy who lives on the Enterprise and runs a bar or a store is a fascinating one
Another great review, Dave! Admittedly, I mostly clicked on this wondering how you felt about the ending. I completely agree that the first two-thirds are really strong, with the last bit descending into such schlock that it ALMOST (IMO) ruins the rest of the film... but only almost. I loved this when it came out. I'm going to have to rewatch it sometime this week.
I had completely forgotten I was still subscribed to this channel.
I always liked this film very much, because it is a SCIENCE-FICTION... Much-much more believable than all the weed induced nightmares called sci-fi lately.
When I watch sci-fi I do it because I want it to be actually believable. Sci-fi supposed to be close to reality, the fiction is used to set up the special circumstances required to tell the story.
the problem was the cliche storytelling, when there was a great opportunity missed.
-------------------------------------------------
3 sections of the movie ALL told from the perspective from the guy:
1. guy wakes up accidentally and he is alone
2. guy wakes up girl and they are together
3. the danger makes them work together and accept the situation as it is
In the sequence 1-2-3 it is a space-adventure-love-story
-------------------------------
Now... what I would have done --> MIX it up!!
2. girl wakes up and finds a dude already awoken, they spend time together, but something strange (all girl perspective, ends before girl finds out situation)
1. jump back in time to guy wakes up accidentally, and progress to the point when guy wakes up girl (all guy perspective)
3. Now we know the story from BOTH perspective, we sympathize with BOTH of them, and than girl finds out what the guy did
...and the story progresses and concludes as it did in the movie released.
i really loved it. the story, the effects, the performances. i see nothing wrong with leaving the ending up to our imagination
They did enough that you know the main characters were happy. I don't think we needed anymore. I personally would have liked to see them interact with people and crew as old folks, maybe in their 90's? But what we got was acceptable.
@@apreviousseagle836 Yeah, one of them would've outlived the other and could've been in the hibernation medical bay. But, even being just 25 years old would've made Jennifer's character will over 120 at the arrival, so without hibernation, she wouldn't have made it anyway.
Really good movie all around, but it did have some problems. For instance: Aurora is a reporter who's plan is to go to this colony for a while then come back on the ship to Earth and see what's changed over the years; this means they must have to have the ability to put people back to sleep on the ship itself, otherwise her and the crew wouldn't be able to come back. I know they have the medical pod, but there's only one and I don't think that's its original purpose. This means there definitely should be the tech necessary for Jim to put himself back into stasis somewhere onboard. Despite the issues, I still think it's a good movie and a compelling concept.
I liked the semi-Hard Scifi elements. The Starship was a Sublight seeming Bussard Ramjet and it rotated for Gravity. It wasn't THE EXPANSE levels of accuracy but I like Hard Scifi asthetics.
Very semi. Power goes out, ship (somehow) stops rotating, characters are not flung violently in the direction of rotation. Power returns, ship rotates again, characters aren't thrown against the other wall.
The floating ball of water was pretty cool, but I suspect in reality that surface tension would be too feeble to hold such a large mass together. Small water spheres on the ISS, OK. Swimming pool sized water ball, not so much.
The science was basic at best. Wrong at worst.
Rotation does not create gravity so without a deeper explanation of how gravity works on the ship, they basically broke physics for the sake of the movie (albeit in a way typical of Hollywood space movies)
I went to see this movie in the theater one afternoon and thoroughly enjoyed it. I had no expectations going in and walkout not feeling like it was boring or I had wasted my money. Unlike some dinosaur movie I just saw. 😒
I'm sorry you wasted your time on that movie. The one before it was ridiculous junk.
I think the ending should have been Jim sacrificing himself to save the ship, then cut to a year later and Aurora is sitting in front of some random guy's pod contemplating the same thing Jim did to her.
I remember not being interested in this film when it came out, but for some reason I went to see it. I was blown away by how good the story was, everything built on what came before in a logical and rational way (which is a miracle for most Hollywood fare). The character motivations were solid and made sense (though I think Jim should have been alone for more than a single year to drive him to awaken another passenger, 5 years would be more believable). Still, despite a few minor quibbles, this was a solid, enjoyable movie that I watch at least once a year.
Agreed, 5 years would've made more sense.
Hmm, I don't know. 5 years is a LONG time to be alone. You might lose your marbles by then. I think 1 year is reasonable. I don't think any of us would be able to last that long. Either we'd cave a couple of months in, or maybe self delete.
@@apreviousseagle836 I've already lost my marbles, and I could do 5 years alone on a ship like that easy. It really depends on the person. Have you see that Veritasium video where he goes into the quietest room and almost goes insane in 5 minutes? Now that's real weakness.
@@anon_y_mousse I think the temptation would be if you start going thru the passenger manifest, or go look at individual capsules, and find a girl there that catches your eye. I think if I could hold off from doing that, I might be able to go the distance. (5 years let's say). BUT I'm saying that now with the relative company of my family (parents, siblings, etc) and coworkers. I don't have a gf because most women are insane, and you're likely to get destroyed financially if you marry one, so I've gone probably for 6-7 years now without physical intimacy.
I don't know in reality how long I could hold out if I needed to get laid, AND I literally had no one to talk to at the same time.
@@apreviousseagle836 I'm not so sure anyone needed to know that last part. However, I would wager most would go insane.
I truly loved the visuals and ambience in it. It's calming and cozy to watch
Agreed.
I've been wanting a sequel ever since I saw the film. Chris and Jennifer had a ton of on-screen chemistry together during the second act, just seeing them solving various problems over the decades and transforming the ship into what we see at the very end could be really fun and interesting. I suppose it might lack drama and suspense a little bit, but there are all kinds of ways to get that back in. They could find more problems with the ship or uncover some secrets they weren't supposed to find, some of the clocks on the other pods could be off putting both of them in a position where they have to prevent others from waking up. That could put them in a situation where they have to sacrifice something to prevent it, like maybe Jim has started experiencing side effects from the way he was revived in the medical pod and one of the people set to wake up is a doctor. The dramatic question could be: Is waking up someone dooming them to life on the ship the same as not preventing them from waking up?
Hell, the drama could be about Jim and Aurora both wanting to have children but they both know they shouldn't due to their situation. Maybe they find a way to make it so their potential children will be about their age when they woke up on the ship around the time the ship reaches Homestead 2.
That's an interesting perspective. You should check out some of the behind the scenes info. Apparently Jennifer Lawrence had to get drunk in order to be able to film the sex scene. She was VERY uncomfortable with it, especially (if I remember correctly) since he Pratt is married. I saw an interview where she talked about it. Given that there was behind the scenes tension they did manage to pull off a good job on screen though. I loved the movie, but there is absolutely nothing interesting to do for a sequel that would be relevant. Seeing the colony would be in that world would be very interesting, but all the characters would be dead before that would happen so it would be very unrelated.
It's funny because I just watched this movie for the first time 3 days ago and I loved it. It was a wholesome love story and we sure could use more of those nowadays.
I don't see anything wrong with the ending personally. It is kind of sad and bittersweet. Since they both had plenty of food, water, clothing, shelter, medical care, etc. barring accident, both would have lived out their natural lives. Eventually old age would have taken one or the other. And of course, that would leave the other alone to grieve. But probably not for long. With truly devoted couples, whose lives are in sinc with each other, often when one dies of old age, the other does not live long. Once upon a time, there was a phrase for this, and it was actually recognized by doctors as a medical reality. It was said that those people "died of a broken heart". Of course in our society today, where you are lucky if people stay together over a weekend, much less a life time, that sort of thing is unlikely.
But I think the ending was satisfying. The couple lived their lives and passed on. And a new community will have a lasting legend. You will have whole generations guessing and talking about what the couple did, how they felt, how they did this or that, why they made the decisions they made. And they will have something else. They will have the example of a couple who made a life for themselves, together. A legend to take a lesson from, and remember.
A beautiful ending with a great message to all of us living the everyday struggle.
Thank you, you just redeemed this film for me. When I initially saw it, I was frustrated by what I saw as another postmodern take-down of the white male protagonist. He was made to be evil and egocentric. However, if he hadn’t have woken her up, everyone on the ship would have died. In the end, his actions were correct, even though his motives weren’t. Very good.
And that makes his action good? Oh please. Your initial assessment of the film was more accurate.
@@StellarAudyssey What are you talking about dude?
@@StellarAudyssey i don't blame him. Who'd wanna spend 90 years alone, when you can spend it with Jennifer Lawrence? It was selfish, but not necessarily evil.
I think he was made out to be very sympathetic -- even if you dislike his choice (which I do, on ethical grounds), you can understand why he made it.
Of course, there are people who interpret ANY hint of a woman being even slightly inconvenienced by a man to be "patriarchy", so they naturally hated this movie with the intensity of a million supernovae, but as a man myself, I enjoy witnessing their pain.
And honestly you can even sympathize with his motives. As it was said, it was like getting stranded on a deserted island - desperation, true desperation is something none of us can really expect how we'd personally deal with it.
Definitely a hidden gem. Loved it when I watched it. Time for a re-watch.
I genuinely loved it. I agree that Chris Pratt waking Jennifer was wrong but forgot sake the guy was doomed. He wasn't thinking what was right or wrong, he just wanted to fill the void.
*her void
@@svenkarlsen2702 sure hers as well.
@@svenkarlsen2702 dude, think about the OF simp epidemic. Most men would have opened that capsule DAYS into it, not a year after like the main protagonist.
@@apreviousseagle836 Or just spanked their monkey looking at her sleeping 🤣
@@apreviousseagle836 I think a decent man would have tried to wait. I read a review from the only honest woman critic, most hated it and called it sexist and r*pe-y, but this one critic said, "I'd have woken up everyone with a week." That's honesty. Nobody could have survived the crippling loneliness. They'd either commit suicide or open a pod. Since Jim was capable of opening a pod, he deferred to that, even though he contemplated suicide.
Production design on this film is outstanding.
Great review.
I also liked the movie. The plot was intriguing and the acting terrific. Loved the visuals. I don't buy too many DVDs, but I did for Passengers. It goes in my permanent collection.
One of my favourite movies of all time. Perfection. Stunning production design, from the lovely space ship to the interior. Robot barman was played to perfection by Tony Blair. The concept was original and handled the ethics of the situation with aplomb. Only haters were the wokery, too thick to get that Passengers was studying human nature and as mentioned, the writers handled it brilliantly.
The design and production of the ship is incredible and to think they had to build an entire space cruise ship for this two person play must have blown the line producer's mind.
Amazing how they got the former prime minister of the UK to play a part in their movie.
Tony Blair, lol
I remember how journalists were calling this movie problematic/harmful/ect ect because the women choose to be with the "toxic" male who "abused" her.
There are only three Jennifer Lawrence films I will watch; Passengers, Silver Linings Playbook, and X-Men: Days of Future's Past.
In terms of acting, both Pratt and Lawrence knocked it out of the park, and Michael Sheen also did a stellar job.
The plot wasn't groundbreaking, but it was easy to follow and was tight-knit for the most part, and never went overboard.
Four stars from me.
Agree with your choices. She's really good in 'Joy'. 'House at the End of the Street' is worth a watch too.
💯💯💯💯
She is a very good actress. I have to admit that, barring whatever else we may think of her.
You might try "Winter's Bone". A zero-budget movie filmed in the Ozarks. It was her breakthrough role and she DOES do a good job in it, although there isn't a SINGLE instant of comic relief or anything that isn't deadly serious. It's a pretty grim movie.
I'm guessing the Hunger Games were films where the plot went overboard?
I agree that the ending could have been better written, but Pratt and Lawrence really sold their reconciliation! I definitely felt the emotions there!
I liked it. It's true the ending could have been more detailed but I didn't mind that it was left to my imagination. It was the story of the ship as much as the characters and it was a coming together story for all 3. As such the final scene with the ship terraformed showed that synthesis completed.
I didn't have a problem with it either because I knew they had a happy life, even if some of it was left to our imagination.
I agree, it was a very enjoyable and rewatchable. The bloopers are pretty funny too. My favorite was Chris Pratt meeting the bar tender and instead of his line he says " just give me a Budlight"
Love the little winks and nods in this film. Like her name being Aurora: that's Sleeping Beauty's name.
Thanks, Dave. I'll have to check this one out.
I watched an interesting video from sometime back about Passangers. It stated that if you started the movie with the 2nd act where she is woken up, then put the 1st act after that showing his loneliness then the film is much more effective. If you watch the film in this order it's a much better watch.
Nope. It’s not.
But that’s what you’d think if you’ve never been alone.
@@lucaschudleigh7193 Sorry - I disagree. It's a much better watch out of order.
@@lucaschudleigh7193 Huh?
Nerdwriter made a video called Passangers rearranged.
czcams.com/video/Gksxu-yeWcU/video.html
There are multiple faneditors who have made this change, and the fanedits can be found if you search for them.
I really like this movie and the moral question it posed, would you wake up someone and possibly ruin their life for yourself. I read an article that called the movie bad because he did wake her up and so they miss the point of the film or at least a major part. For the ending I wish that the guys face had been burned or his hands and she would still take care of him, showing that their love transcends looks and they really are in love.
One of my favorite movies
I enjoyed this film as well but was always bothered by its consistent reliance on coincidences that just happen to work out. Luckily Jim was woken up by chance other than an accountant or midwife. He was literally the only person aboard other than the crew who could fix the ship! Also luckily Gus was woken up instead of a lower level crew member that didn’t have access to all the ship functions needed to save them. It would have only take a little more thought on the plot to have things make sense but instead it’s all just lucky and things worked out!
It could have been a lower-level crewmember who however could get to the other crewmembers, and they have to decide, fast, who to wake up so they can fix the ship. Maybe one of them is a woman, the other man, and they have never liked each other but now have to work together. Then when the ship does reach its destination they find out that those two also became a couple, but all the conflicts there may have been with two couples onboard, one pair out of necessity, are left to our imagination.
Actually, the one piece of the plot that did bother me a bit was that once the crew member woke they didn't immediately go and wake somebody who would have been more qualified to fix the ship than the two passengers, as Gus presumably had access to the rest of the crew. That would seem like the most logical thing to do under the circumstances. As it seemed that the waking up process was fairly fast, so even if the passengers would have needed to do most of the grunt work he or she could presumably have been able to direct that work, and leaving the fate of the whole ship and thousands of people to only the two amateurs - he maybe knew more than most of the passengers, but he was no expert on that ship and its functions - did seem like taking an unnecessary risk.
What if Aurora had been woken up only for Chris Pratt to find out she's a lesbian and they do not get along, they then have to live for years together.
Also I found it really dumb the AI could not conceive of a fault happening - a meteor striking the ship seems to be a pretty common and standard mode of potential failure, surely it should have been programmed so to anticipate this? There's a reason planes and the shuttle etc had three computers so if one failed there were two redundant backups. As soon as the first computer started flagging up errors, the backup should have kicked in and engineering should have woke up. So the movie could happen the writers should have made it so the ship encounters some new space phenomenon nobody has encountered before; maybe some wierd new electrical particle that interferes with all 3 computers. Then we could excuse only certain pods opening up without the emergency crew being immediately woken up etc. But maybe that would be too complicated for us silly public and everyone can understand a rock hitting the ship... but it seemed lazy to me.
Also Dave's point about one of them dying first is interesting and I never thought of that. They should have found 1 of them in the cryodoc, as an elderly person. Imagine if you were 80 years old and you'd lived your entire adult life on the ship with your partner, and she dies, are you really going to stay there alone roaming the coridoors all by yourself? that sounds like HELL. Surley he'd climb in the autodoc by that point?
And yes Chris's character being alone then waking Aurora is peak creep, but if I was him as soon as I realized what went wrong during the first week, I'd have been waking up every single pod from anyone who looked like they had a technical background. Apparently they are only civilians but surely Chris can't be the only one with technical skills, I'd have been waking up 100's of people.
In all that time the couple never had an argument and 1 of them gets in the pod, or they never woke up even a single other person???
Oh also despite all this nitpicking I still thought it was an enjoyable film. Not perfect, Oblivion came out that time and I thought that was better. I'd have liked a different cast, I don't much like Jennifer Lawrence, I see her as moody Katnip Everdeen in every role, and Chris Pratt is peak Boring.
Life is more like this than you realize.
Or just say if anything malfunctions, the ship would wake up a member of the team that could possibly fix it. (Mechanic). Maybe that could've been how he got on board instead of "being rich"
Nerdwriter made a great video about this movie and how it could be totally restructured as a thriller with some clever editing. I highly recommend it.
His idea already has like a dozen films following it. We don't need more pollution than that.
Definitely worth a watch. It does a good job of showing how someone decends to the point of doing the unthinkable.
💯💯💯💯💯. It really does
this is one of my favorite movies...its beautiful and poetic. It seems so tragic that He woke up and feels forced to "kill" somebody to save himself...then it turns out that they were meant to be together and were meant to save everybody on that ship. They end up being the heroes. It was awesome and I wish you couldve watched it in the theater. It was beautiful to look at on the big screen.
Is it weird that I had hoped they had kids and the crew and passages would have met their kids
I loved this movie. And any time Thomas Newman scores a movie, you know you’re in for a beautiful, emotional soundtrack.
This film reminds me of the early part of Allan Steele's "Coyote", in which a guy gets locked out of his sleep chamber and has to spend the next 30 years entirely alone on a much less luxurious ship.
His ethical issue is the fact that he's using up so much in the way of supplies which were intended for the eventual colony.
Thanks, Dave. Added to the watch list!
Love your insightful reviews
I just watched it this weekend based on your recommendation. I enjoyed if very much. :)
Pleasantly surprised that you liked it too! It's one of the few "date movies" that i actually dig and it was a pleasant surprise for me also.
I love this movie. I remember some debates online about the structure of the movie to delay the reveal that Aurora was waken up. Someone actually re-edited the movie to show this reality and it was bloody brilliant. It's shown from Aurora's point of view.
Agreed. I forgot about this one. Good movie. Nice review sir.
I had never heard of this before. Thanks for letting us know about it.
I remembered after watching this movie I felt it was meh... but your narrative makes it seems much better than I remembered. Now I have to watch it again just to see. Thanks.
I luved it... Its in my top ten of constantly rewatchable movies.
In order of year made: Conspiracy Theory, Payback, Serenity (my personal edit with no Wash or Brooks death), The Blind Side, Limitless, The Bourne Legacy, Oblivion, Edge of Tomorrow, Passengers... I realize that's only 9, but its the 9 I have in my top folder on Plex... Thinking of adding Molly's Game.
Yeah, the Book and Wash's death in Serenity was not needed. Just a way for the dickhead Whedon to try to squeeze emotion out of us. The likelihood that it was going to be the last time we ever saw Firefly on the screen, should have been done going on a high note. Conspiracy Theory was pretty good too. Gibson and what's her name were really good in it. Edge of Tomorrow was a great story for Cruise's style of acting. Emily Blunt was ok. Wooden, typical feminist scowl, but at least they worked that into the story as well.
A good list, but i personally would add 2012. For some reason I never get tired of that film.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp It's funny because everyone hated that film, but I loved it too. It was stupid, but fun.
I very much enjoyed it as well.
Solid review.
Passengers was surprisingly very good. Their chemistry was strong like JLaw and B Cooper. This is good story telling and need more of it.
I saw a review where they suggested re editing the film, and it’s soooo much better. Done from her perspective, so starts when she wakes up, not knowing what went on with him, the film goes on, they fall for each other after he helps her deal with the trauma, until the revelation, and then we get to see his story, making his decision much more understandable and heartbreaking. Makes the film much better I think
I watched the same video, and yes that idea is really fascinating. If only it were possible to have it released...
High quality, underrated film. I didnt really like Lawrence before this movie but she won me over. Very well acted. You feel for Pratts character, and may not agree with his choice, but you understand him. Wonderful premise
And whether or not we agree with his choice, Aurora wasted NO time in wanting to “kill” crew members, and wake them up. She didn’t even wait and suffer for a year, like Jim did. She didn’t struggle emotionally over the decision, either. She would have done the same, and worse. She would have woken up a lot more people than just one. And she wasn’t even all alone, like Jim was.
Thanks Dave, I will look this one up. Opening pod bay door….😂
I’m so excited, I thought I was the only one…!
I've seen it several times. It's an underrated film in my opinion and deals with interesting concepts.
It's a good film, but I think they would have had children. They would probably have wanted to at some point, and there's no very compelling argument against it. Moreover, as the ship was clearly not designed to handle people waking up early, it might not be able supply such passengers with contraceptives.
That's assuming that the auto doc can't perform tubal ligation or vasectomies.
Or that either hadn't already had that done, or that one, or both, of them was infertile.
Additionally, given that the trip was going to take another 90 years to arrive, the child, or children, would have grown up and grown old and died alone.
Chris pratt's character repeated, but worse.
@@chrisbaker8533 There would be a little tribe at the end, and a shrine for the deceased elders.
@@73elephants You didn't think that one through did ya?
The only way a 'little tribe' would exist, is if brother's and sister's started boinking.
@@chrisbaker8533 So?. It's not as if that never happened in the past, is it?
@@73elephants Yeah....you really don't understand just how messed up that is.
Guilty pleasure is exactly right. This movie is so flawed but at the same time so compelling. I have a hunch it is saved by moment of the capitulation in that "darkest moment", and by the very solid performance of the two leads.
I'm actually going to buy this film now .
thank you for the recommendation
It is a Sci-Fi update of Sleeping Beauty
Stellar review as always Dave!
I'd watch any movie or TV show you recommend. Unfortunately, everything you give a good review on, I have already watched.
Passengers is on my Plex server... Time to give it a watch again.
I still haven't seen this movie yet, but your first review interested me. I'll get around to it.
I feel the same way with regard to this review. Very well done. Thanks for sharing your take. thumbs up.. as always..
I watched it again recently in 4K and I really enjoyed it. It has an old-fashioned quality despite being hypermodern in its visual appearance.
It doesn’t have an agenda, and its lead characters are genuinely likeable. I would definitely recommend it.
I LOVE this movie. Saw it for the first time today.
Persumably soon the new #1 on my ALL TIME favorite movie list....
Thank you! I love this movie.
Thanks a lot for this.
I've been sad for years that there are no good original scifi films that combine character with concept to tell a compelling story.
its easy to see why I missed this, given that in 2016, I was busy getting married, but yee gods! this is something I have to see, and will do so this evening! Indeed I think my lady will enjoy it as well.
thanks for the recommendation, in this wilderness of Hollywood pumping out yet more shallow, politically motivated crap, its always nice to hear of a comparatively modern film which is worth watching.
We need a directors cut with the deleted scenes involving Gus, he was by far the most interesting character! He went through all 5 journeys, has to be around 900 years old, and what a fascinating life to live! Waking up every new generation, spend a year or so on the destination, then sleep through another generation..
I'm going to bail early from this video as the movie sounds like something I'd genuinely want to watch un-spoiled. Thumbs-up for your presentation and recommendation!
I like this movie too, story is unusual and has quite deep philosophical questions to it.
Late to this. I actually rewatched the other day on TV. I forgot that all about it, but upon rewatch, it’s pretty good movie.
Fun movie. Beautiful set designs !
Awesome, l really enjoyed this one . The question to weather Chris’s character is bad is interesting, is the end they save everyone so it was the right thing.
I just rewatched it about 2 weeks ago & I still enjoy it
Thankyou!
This movie is proof that you can tell a story about the same ethical conflicts as on a generation ship by using a sleeper ship instead. Even though it hardly seems believable that a sleeper ship would have this many entertainment facilities if the crew would only use them for four months, according to plan 😂. But the more people wake up, the more the same questions that affect generation ships start becoming relevant to the awake crew members, too. Meanwhile, a lot of stories that are actually set on a generation ship completely let that premise, and all its built-in ethical conflict, go to waste. By instead telling stories about viruses, cyborgs, or aliens. 🤦♂️
Yeah the luxury apartment/amenities didn't make any sense to me either. Why can't they just be woken up 4 months later? Surely they'd all be excited to get to their new planet, they won't want to be stuck on the damn ship for 4 months surely? Was there something in the plot that said they had to spend 4 months on the ship? Chris Pratt seemed to be fine when he woke up.
The book _Hull Zero Three_ by Greg Bear was a story about a guy waking up on an interstellar seed ship that was still light years from its destination, severely damaged due to a civil war on board over the ethics of terraforming a target planet that might already be inhabited.
@@ReddwarfIV Thanks for the recommendation! 😉
One of my favorite aspects of this movie is how well they execute the “liar revealed trope.” While, admittedly, about 75% of the plot is focused on the trope (that is to say, the various stages of said trope), the film actually succeeds at implementing it quite masterfully in my opinion. The reveal itself is not ham-fisted as a plot contrivance, the setup isn’t unnecessarily forced and/or unnatural, etc. The whole affair is set up and executed intelligently, organically, and most importantly; understandably and in a way we can relate to and sympathize with. It really is the peak example of the “liar revealed trope” in cinema, at least in my opinion.
I could prattle on about this, I mean i *_really_* like this movie because of this, but I dont want to sound long winded and I’m sure you get my point
Very good movie. Puzzling strongly and forcing to many moral reflections. I've watched it a few times and I'm constantly discovering something new to sit down and think about.
You know what my favorite part about this movie was? The scientific accuracy when it came to the ship.
The ship was only moving at half light speed, which is reasonably doable. The shield protecting it was overcome by the massive meteor, so it wasn't all-powerful. The massive fusion reactor that was failing looks very similar to what scientists are trying to achieve right now. The interactive machines weren't programmed to answer Jim's questions when he first woke up. The bartender was quite intelligent for an android but it did come across as an Artificial Intelligence only programmed to have small talk while serving drinks, just a very high end one. Even the way the water behaves in zero G, or how Jim stops his momentum away from the ship by tossing the door-shield he had with him. The fact that sending a message back to earth at *light speed* means it would've arrived in 20+ years and a response would've taken even longer.
Sure it wasn't 100% factual science but it came pretty close, which is very rare to see on hollywood movies.
The premise reminds me a lot of the Stargate Episode "Unending" - well worth watching.
Completely agree with everything in this review. I have kept this one in my collection.
Okay putting a lie to my previous comment my lady and I just watched this this evening.
And we absolutely loved! This!
This is exactly what science fiction films should be! Compelling characters! Drama! Romance, conflict, and not an agenda in sight, just two flawed complex people muddling through a very alien situation together!
My lady absolutely sobbed through the climax, which she only ever does in response to really great art that moves her!
This one's going to enter the regular watch list of films we do together methinks, indeed when I mentioned I got this from a CZcams review from a fellow called Dave cullen my lady asked me to pass on her thanks for the recommendation, an opinion I very much second!
Would definitely be up for more recommendations of unusual films, especially in the wasteland of mediocrity which Entertainment has become over the past six years.
Man, Dave. You have no idea how reassuring and calming it is to come home to one of your videos after a really hard day at work. Thanks for being you
You think this guy is calming and reassuring? Really? On his other channel, Dave never gets tired of crying that the sky is falling to globalist forces. I have to take long breaks from listening to this guy because he is so morbid.
Passengers is truly a great movie to watch. Like its very much.
To quote Mark Twain's Adam re: the death of Eve: "Wheresoever she was, there was Eden."
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watched half the review and you convinced me to give a chance after all these years of avoiding it...
I forget which YTer said it, maybe the Nostalgia Critic, but the film might have had a more potent impact with audiences if the first 20 minutes or so with only Chris Pratt were actually cut from the film. Instead, the film opens with Jennifer Lawrence waking up in her pod and Chris Pratt is there to greet her and tell her there was a malfunction. From there the movie would progress as normal and we get little tidbits doled out to us as things progress that something just isn't quite right, until the big reveal that Chris had deliberately woken Jennifer up because he was lonely and has now condemned her to a life as a prisoner aboard the ship with no one else there but him (and the robotic bartender). Imagine how much more powerful that reveal scene would be, along with the emotions that came with it, had we not known going in what had happened with Pratt's character prior to Lawrence's waking up. I know the reasoning for why the film was done the way it was, to make Pratt a "sympathetic character", but in the end I think that's what probably hurt the film since it didn't actually make him sympathetic at all, just selfish. Had the filmmakers removed his opening scenes, it would have greatly added an air of tension, uncertainty, and even fear that would greatly keep the audience invested and interested in what was happening. The only other change might be to focus solely on Lawrence's character up until the big reveal and then maybe split the perspective between the two for the rest to maintain that uneasy tension.
Not a bad movie overall, but just a small change could have made it so much better.
This movie would be better in different order.
Start with Aurora waking up, cut to Jim waking up when she finds out and connect the timelines at that point.
In that way you start rooting for their relationship, find out the truth at the same time she does, get to see how it's not so black and white from his point of view and then watch them get back together. Works way better emotionally and him acting weirdly around her in the beginning would be a great foreshadowing.
I really enjoyed this movie too. I have always been confused by negative reviews this movie received at the time of the release.
This is one of my favorite recent Sci-Fi flicks. I also really enjoyed Sunshine from 07 and Pandorum from 09. Good Sci-Fi is hard to come by these days.
I passed on this film too when it came out, but based on your review I'm going watch it later today.
Yeh, don’t expect much. It’s actually horrendous.
_Paul Mark's Cut_ of Passengers improves *a lot* on the original by changing the order of scenes a little so that the chronology of the storytelling changes so that _the man_ meets _the woman_ very early in the film with both appearing to have been awoken by a ship malfunction. What really happened is revealed *much* later in a time jump / flashback. Seen an explanation of an example of how to rearrange the storytelling to create a *much* better version: czcams.com/video/Gksxu-yeWcU/video.html
I love this movie. I rewatch it once a year or so.
The Nerdwriter (YT channel) has a video on how this film would be improved if the three acts of the movie were rearranged.
I really loved the visuals of this movie. So beautiful...
Wow... coincidence or what... I just rewatched this Sunday.
it's a decent story told in the wrong order! it should have opened with both characters waking up. that would have led to a lot more mystery and interest in the opening story and seeing all his evidence / damage around the ship.