Pros DEBATE Over Michael Jordan Vs. Lebron James For The GOAT..
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- Pros DEBATE Over Michael Jordan Vs. Lebron James For The GOAT..
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MJs game was and still is so superior to lebron's its not even close.
Big facts
Facts
Preach bro!
Yes. It’s not even close. Just watch the games. LeBron never got better. Never learned the fundamentals. Jordan’s game is skilled in everything, and makes it look beautiful. That’s why so many wanted to be like Mike. LeBrons game is so ugly. We don’t hear anyone trying to be like Lebron! Haha. Truth hurts
@@letmetellyousomethin9410 dam bro that's so true he has such an ugly way of playing sloppy yuck
Lebron is a awesome player but MJ was different bruh!
LeBron knows deep inside that Jordan was and will always be the GOAT!
Fat Tony Lebum’s arrogance makes him think that because he returned to Cleveland and brought one championship that he is the GOAT. Also, because he remade Space Jam and he got a Nike contract plus now he’s trying to market himself like Jordan did. That he is better than Jordan. Leflop will never be better than Jordan simply because he’s never done anything for the NBA. He’s only ever valued himself over the game. He’s a great philanthropist for that he will always be blessed. But as a basketball player/teammate he’s mediocre at best. He’s self absorbed, self centered and his ego is bigger than his mouth. To think that he could self proclaim to be the GOAT.
Well Jordan is Lebron's idol after all
Indeed. This whole controversy is the product of that IDIOT Nick Wright and a few others in the media who are making this an issue for ratings and their own greed for recognition and air-time. The forget or never knew, MJ is the ORIGINAL Air-Time!
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I love Mike and for me is the goat, but you can't say that he will always be the goat. For now he is! And LeBron will never be the goat. But maybe in the future there will be a player better than MJ. Kobe got close but couldn't pass him. The more the game evolves, the more the players will become more skilled. New moves, new styles, new ways to see the game. Mike was a beast and unmatched until today, but tomorrow? we don't know...
Can't have a messed up basic fundamentals, lesser accolades, lesser chips & rings, on the losing side of the history and be the G.O.A.T. at the same time.
One point that no one has made in these GOAT debate videos is that Michael Jordan took the game global and when other players in different sports win a championship or achieve any greatness, they are said to have a "Jordan-ess" aura about them. No one has ever said that Patrick Mahomes or Tom Brady or Tiger Woods has a "Lebron-ess aura. Jordan is the standard for all athletes that want more
Soo true bruh
Jordan-esque is the phrase you want..
Michael jordan is the Blue print for basketball players enough said.
Because MJ is mean perfection, winning mentality and all the best thing as an athlete
Hi di rin!!! Kanya kanyang era yan mga ungas!!! Dati si Jordan goat ngayon iba na
While Kareem held the career points record for decades. He wasn't considered the GOAT, when MJ started dominating the league.
So Bron breaking Kareem's record shouldn't make him the GOAT either. Besides that, Bron has the most career turnovers.
And can't forget about MJ being a way better defender than Bron.
Here are 17 important categories:
Scoring Titles 10 - 1 in favour of MJ
60+ points in a game - 4 to1 in favour of MJ
50+ points in a game - 31 to 14 for MJ
PPG - MJ 30.1 to - LeBron 27.2
PPG Playoffs - MJ 33.4 - LeBron - 28.5
All-Star Game MVPs - MJ 3 - LeBron - 3
Slam Dunk Contest Winner 2 - 0 in favour of MJ
Rebs Per Game - LeBron 7.5 to MJ - 6.2
Olympic Medals - LeBron - 2 Gold, 1 Bronze to MJ - 2 Gold
Rookie of the Year - LeBron 2003/04 MJ 1984/85
Asts Per Game - LeBron 8.3 to MJ 5.3
MVPs - 5 to 4 in favour of MJ
Finals MVPs 6 to 4 in favour of MJ
Rings MJ 6 LeBron 4
Points LeBron - 38,652 to MJ - 32,292
Total Games - LeBron 1,421 to MJ 1,072
Seasons - 20 to 15 in favour of LeBron
FINAL SCORE - (MJ - 9W - 6L - 2T) (LeBron - 6W - 9L - 2T)
@@BouchIsOnTheLoose702 If we were to put those stats into context, MJ achieved those numbers in less years than James did, which makes MJ that much more of the GOAT. When it comes to stats, without context it's useless. The media heads always likes to throw out stats to make James look good. Like, so what he scored the most points. The questions I'd ask would be, how many attempts did it take to reach that. If every player had the same number of attempts, who knows what their stats would be.
@@puidemare2337 I put those statistics on youtube for friendly people like you to go over MJ's unbelievable resume. And see that he has more awards, trophies, accolades & accomplishments than LeBron has in 5 less years. If LeBron & the Lakers lose tomorrow vs. the Nuggets, it may put another blemish on LeBron's legacy.
Quality over quantity this is the reason why MJ's the GOAT the quality of his career is far more superior than any basketball player in the NBA today.
That's a very good point about Kareem.
No need for this debate. MJ is goat
Growing up all I heard on television was Michael Jordan is the greatest. No one else's name was ever attached to that. It was all MJ, MJ. Today all you hear is MJ at the end of a sentence that begins with Lebron. The man is 60 and is still mentally haunting the competition. The GOAT.
MJ is the goat nobody comes close to his showmanship. His moves are so smooth and graceful he was really fun to watch. After watching him play you would want to play ike him. He was a trend setter he started the baggy shorts and the first one to shave his head even his silhouette we all know it was him. That's how iconic MJ really is. He made basketball a huge hit around the world and no athlete in any sport has done that until today.
He's so classy and his moves so graceful like an impala, while Lechoke's moves are like that of a warhog's, just how MJ glides to the basket, he dribbles, his leadership on court, man, I don't ever expect to see any player like that anymore, I hope I'm wrong...
lebron gave it a nice run compiling all of these stats, but most people see through his strategy. Those stats are not enough to overcome MJ’s GOAT status, especially when there is another team that created a dynasty during his era.
Plus LeBron called himself the goat! Now, he can never be the goat!
Magic Johnson is the goat
@@KimfromSoCal That’s a big naw cuz Magic himself said MJ was the GOAT. Just saying! I love me some Showtime Lakers and Birds Boston Celtics ! MJ was beat, bruised, and battered and still averaging 28.2 points per game as a rookie! 7 rebounds and 6 assists as well! And that was his starting point!
@@golfingrn4503 Oh he can, if he would back his shit up, but he does not... Longevity stats or great stats all around wont make you the greatest of all time.
Important note: MJ has greatness complications, Lebron has flopping and choking complications.
Now imagine Lebon getting guarded by MJ. Just imagine.. He would completely destroy his ass.
That's a big factor in my all time top 10. LeBron manipulated his way into guaranteed winning situations and still did not catch 'the ghost', he even managed to lose 6 times in the Finals, and when you reach the Finals then you have an opportunity to win. We know what MJ did when he had an opportunity to win it all and for me that is what matters more than simply reaching the Finals in a weak conference for most of your career on stacked teams you assembled with your buddies.
Lebron for his career is only shooting 37% outside of 3 feet and in the playoffs that goes down to 31%. This stat is a killer for all the Lebron fans out there because it shows he has a big weakness in his game in the midrange. Jordan had ZERO weaknesses whatsoever and was the best midrange shooter in history. If you combine that with Jordan being far superior defensively and also in the postseason when it mattered the most it's just really not a contest.
Lebron fans can't deal. Even kareem needed glasses 😂 I always said break down his shooting percentage and 70% of his makes are from in so close a paraplegic could score.
@@user-ko3sd9qj2h He is basically Shaq playing small forward. He's just so big, strong and fast that he's been able to get to the rim throughout his career at will because the era he played in didn't allow handchecking and doesn't really have bigs clogging the lane.
@@joeldriver-sp2rg exactly. He isn't Shaq because 80% of those makes are from open looks and camping at halfcourf for the fast break. He's had literally no need for shooting or footwork skill.
And MJ in the final 3 minutes is 50% in the clutch. Same as in regular time outside 3' 50% far FAR better than Lebron ever has been. MJ 85% FT, Lebron 75%.
That stat proves lebron even being top 10 is not really realistic
It's not even a close conversation at all. MJ is the GOAT. If even Lebron knows and that's why for some time he wore # 23.
He wore 23 cause Mike was his favorite player that don’t mean he can’t pass up Mike lol what kind of argument is that?
@@WideHarryCock Do you think Jordan would have worn #6 or anyone else's #, NO. Do you know why Kobe wore #24? It was because he wanted to be better than and remembered above Jordan. That was the only reason he picked #24 (true fact per KG). If you wanted to be remembered as the best of the best, you chart your own path by not wearing the current and reigning GOATs #. You make your # legendary and you can't do that wearing someone else's. Why do you think teams retire #'s and the league wants to retire Chamberlin's #. It's because that one person made the # so great every time you see that # you think of that player and that player only. Stick to horse races.
If you're a young baller and you study MJ and you get 25% of his game down pat you're going to be a solid player. (shot selection, creativity, footwork, offensive and defensive fundamentals etc)
You can copy 75% of Lebron's game but if you're not 6'9" 240 you got nothing. He drives to the basket, shoots 3's (80+ % of his shots come from those) and dominates the ball to get assists. Nothing wrong with that, that's how he got where HE is but......... MJ's game was virtually flawless.
100 % right
When I told my friends that our janitor is the “Michael Jordan” of cleaning we clearly understand each other 😂😂😂
Jordan will always be the standard, not just in basketball but in other sports too, it will always be "The Michael Jordan of .." that's the standard he set for the competition.
Couldnt have said that any better
Never gonna hear the lebron of anything. It’s always gonna be the Micheal Jordan of
Facts
If someone's gonna say to a person that he's the Lebron James of this and that, I'll assume and think, that person he saying that to is a pretentious GOAT. Just my opinion.
💯💯💯💯💯% nuff said 👍🏿👍🏿
Steph knows he can beat Lebron. He has done it multiple times. He understands that Lebron isn't the goat
He hasn’t beat LeBron without Kevin Durant and Kyrie and Love we’re out in 2015. So technically head to head both at full strength, LeBron beat Steph in 2016.
@@plainman9887 you don't remember Golden State winning the championship before KD came? Because I do
Nobody cares.. what before and care of what ifs.. but how can lebron be the goat if he flop so much?
Remembered for crying and failing while playing for money and with money, with very little success.
Curry gonna end his career with more rings, when that happens, how can Lebron be the goat of his era?
Dr Jay ask. Jordan
@@plainman9887 lebron never owned a healthy gsw even before KD came. Cavs were down 1-3 against a healthy gsw until bogut got injured and had just green and another inexperience center to guard the paint.
And always will be!!!!!🐐
All these stars can shoot, dunk, defense, what else ...BUT MJ has these Gracefulness and the Mental toughness thats way beyond... that leads the Bulls to its winning ways ... and this is what its all about why we compete .... winning.
MJ's game has no weakness. None. 🙅🏻🐐
That 32% career 3pt percentage tells me otherwise
@@WideHarryCock try harder fella.
@@WideHarryCock Dont speak truth dude. Old people doesn't like that
LeBron is 34% shooting from three
hes also Rank #1 all time Most Turnovers career
Rank #1 Most Timed Swept in Finals (2)
Rank #1 Biggest Losing Margin Ever in Finals against Spurs
Rank #1 Most Finals Games Lost career with 33
19 out of 109 clutch shot attempts career (17% clutch shot field goal % , Jordan is 50% clutch shot field goal petcentage career)
LeBron THREE LOWEST RATED FINALS in history, Jordan FOUR HIGHEST RATED FINALS in history
and he will end up Rank #1 Most Missed shots career
Jordans weaknesses - minimal
LeBrons weaknesses - too many to count
LeBron fans nowadays just dont understand basketball at all. only casuals would ever put LeBron in Top Ten, much less as a fake GOAT
@@abhishekrai7855 who's old? Don't hurt yourself dude!
The frustrating thing is they keep putting LeBron in this debate--he's not deserving of it.
What we witnessed from MJ will never be duplicated! Kobe was a good copy, but Bron is not even in the conversation
Exactly!
It's so obvious to me that LeBron could make to the GOAT conversation just because of analysts making content about the possible conversation. LeBron doesn't deserve even the top 5 spot! It's just crazy how they keep comparing the 2! I'm sure that after a couple of years after his retirement, Lebron will barely make the top 10 in any goat debate!
@@francescopietropaolo1542bro you mad tripping
@@geckoed132 take a look at what he actually accomplished: 4 rings, 2 won by a miracle, and one was the bubble joke ring. most points and assists because of his longevity and today´s nonexistent defense (look at the stats of the average points per game in teams before and now) and his physicality allows him to take much more advantage of that. Plus all that cringe on social media and the flopping and crying style of playing? Nah, much better players in history. MJ, Kobe, Karim, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq...even Steph is better in my opinion. Changed the game, best shooter in history, great cardio and dribbling, most 3s in history, impacted the game as much as MJ (with dunks and elevation) and Kareem (they had to change the rules of the game because of his dominance). Steph can´t defend? well, Stephen Curry has a defensive rating of 107.5 and LeBron 104.2. Just saying..
@@francescopietropaolo1542 somehow youre tripping even harder 💀
Scoring record doesn't mean much. He only has 1 scoring title. Longevity award only!🤣
Exactly. No team ever won a championship because their best player passed some career milestone. Stockton is the all time leader in BOTH assists and steals, but he never won a ring for Utah. What matters, and what has won many teams championships over the years, is having the best player filling up the box score night in and night out for an entire season, from the first game of the season to the last game of the Finals. THAT is what wins championships. And given that MJ is the all time leader in per-game, box score aggregated advanced metrics, in both the regular season and playoffs, it says he did that better than any other player in NBA history. It's why he won so much, why he won more accolades than any other player in history, why he won more in just 11 full seasons as a Bull than LeBron has won in his ENTIRE career. Because he dominated night in and night out better than anybody to ever lace them up.
If Jordan played in today's game he would be averaging 45 pg, 7 rds, 7 ass..., more 3 pointers, more Mvps and Rings because of the WIDE OPEN COURT and NO DEFENSE. He would have Easy shots , would have a longer career with no injuries because nobody would touch him like Lebron.
One would say he couldn't,
But he averaged 37 ppg his 3rd year pro
2 years after averaging 37 ppg he did average 8 boards and 8 assists so knowing MJ he would try to average a triple double.
10 to 20 more possessions for both teams thats 20 to 40 chances to accumate stats mj avg 30 6 5 so thats easy 50 12 10 in todays game. Rebs is easy if steph can avg 6 rebs. Mj will avg 12
More 3 pointers? Mike shot 15% from deep his first 5 seasons and at his peak he shot around 35% he ain’t taking more 3s lol and as far as more rings go…he ain’t getting past the Warriors of the last 10 years and that’s hard facts…Mike lucky he came into the league when he did and imma leave it at that
@@WideHarryCock thats becauses 3's were not as efficient for him, he mostly get's 3's when doing midrange or driving inside the lane to get fouls//and1's. Jordan's game was to focus on getting his defenders on foul trouble while scoring 2 + FT.. That 3 pt alone has more impact to the othere team than just spamming 3's.
Discussion has to be for second place, the distance between this alien and everybody else is huge. MJ the GOAT forever
Not even close
Jordan all day
MJ is MJ ! Period.
MJ the player when given the opportunity to get a championship is unbeaten…Lebron great,athletic player sadly falls short of that..definitely one of the greatest
Simply put, 6 finals, 6 wins, 6 finals MVP's, and never faced a game 7 in the finals.
Lebron is a legendary player/competitor, Although lebron has been doing it for nearly 20 years.
utmost respect for that, but MJ had the "killer instinct" above and beyond any other basketball player in history.
The only reason I’d take MJ over lebron because he’s 6-0 in the Finals
Oooooops... You missed some, one of them is the fact that MJ did the 6champs in two searate threepeats... Which will never be broke by any team.. And 6 fmvp's
ALWAYS..AND WILL BE .HIS AIRNESS...MICHAEL JORDAN
Whatever the volume of score a player has it all comes down to the ultimate goal which is to be the main man of the last team standing the player who not only score but defend and most importantly leads his team to become champs stats will make you great but championships will make you immortal
That is absolute... Being the 6-0 finals mvp is one of the prove.. Second is doing it in two separate threepeats.. In 6 and a half years only...
Jordan is a G.O.B, God of Basketball.
I was expecting the last celebrity to say MJ is the GOAT was LJ himself 😂
I agree with Charles Barkley's assessment. On point. James is closer to Magic and Kobe was the closest player to Jordan but still no one compares. His Airness is still the G.O.A.T.
What Kobe has done for the game of basketball will never be done again. These players don’t care the way MJ and Kobe cared. Too much money being thrown at them.
No lie
Kobe = MJ
Thank you Charles you told the truth. Michael even said Kobe copied him.
"MJ ALL THE WAY"@#!!💥💪🏆
There's a big difference when the fans label a player(Jordan) as the GOAT and a player(James) labeling himself and telling everyone he is the GOAT. Lebron has to feed his EGO. Jordan NEVER changed teams just to win a championship, unlike James. James and KD both went to loaded teams for their 1st ring. Took the easy way out. Jordan made a legacy with one team only.
I love you you are so right 💯💯💯
LeBron is the GOAT.......
The GOAT of building superteams with his All NBA buddies. Yet despite all that superteam building (three and counting) he still won less than Jordan, still chasing that ghost.
MJ, MJ, MJ....MJ all the way!!!
LeBron using steroids does not make him the GOAT.
In every sport *"there are players"* that carries/raise's their said sport up to the next level of game play with their *"dominating skillsets"* that sets them apart from the other players! However, within that group of said players, there is one or two players that carries/raises the level of the *"skillsets"* of *"all"* players for a said sport for many years to come! Example, *"Bill Russell"* & Wilt Chamberlin gave us Kareem & Bill Walton, *"Jerry West"* gave us Larry Bird & Magic Johnson, *"Julius Erving(Dr. J)"* gave us David Thompson, Dominique Wilkins, Clyde Drexler, *"Michael Jordan & Kobe "Bean" Bryant",* who's skillsets & mentalities to win at all cost, transcended the game to another *"whole"* level! Understand, 5 years ago every team in the NBA was lucky to have one or two players who could take over a game and *"clutch"* a team victory! Today, their are *"3-5"* players on every team, whom, in *"emulating"* the skillsets & mentalities of *"Michael & Kobe",* can take over the game and clutch a win for their said teams every single night for 105 nights of an NBA season! Lmfao, as the legendary *"Willie D.(Ghetto Boys)"* would say, *"No Mo Talk!"* 💯💯💯💯💯💯
"Hakeem won back to back in mjs era" yah when mj was playing fricken baseball. There is no comparison if you watched NBA in the 80s and 90s and the fact of taking 2 years off and climbing back to the mountain top and keep everyone else off that mountain top. Mjs prime yah rockets won two titles while mj was playing baseball, lebron's era- curry , klay and the warriors have 4 titles, kawaii won 2, and several others have won.
Yep, Bulls may have won only two games fewer after MJ retired the first time, chiefly because of the amazing job the front office did in rebuilding that team along with the timing just happening to coincide with Pippen's own peak, being an MVP candidte in that MJ-less season, but the return of MJ to add to that rebuild resulted in them breaking the all time regular season wins record the very next full season he played. Yes they picked up Rodman but they also lost Grant to kind of even that out. Rodman was a laughing stock of the league when the Bulls picked him up, he was probably on his way out of the NBA after his run in San Antonio so he wasn't THAT much of an upgrade to Grant. Yes he's the better player, most obviously as a defender, but I'm not sure he was that much of a difference maker over Grant. Don't forget, Grant was on the Magic team that beat the Bulls in MJ's first playoff run back in 95 but that same Magic squad the next season, where Grant was out injured, got swept by the Bulls. So he was a huge difference himself. It's hard to argue how many games he was worth to the Bulls in comparison to Rodman. Oh yeah, that great Bulls run in 94 with Pippen and Grant at the helm was soon ancient history when Grant left at the end of that season because in 95 the Grant-less Bulls were struggling to stay above 0.500 before MJ came back and they made a 13-4 run to close the season. My point is, to try and diminish MJ's effect on the Bulls success is just plain stupid....but hey, LeBron stans still try their best to do just that.
MJ is in a league of his own no one is even close
The all-time total scoring record means quite literally nothing but longevity. People need to stop hyping it up. Nobody was using the scoring record to give Kareem an argument for goat so why does LeBron get one? The media is literally inventing narratives as we speak trying to make it look closer than it is
Labron has been in the 20 years, and at least 9 of those tgere was a debate as to who the best player is. KD, Kawai, Giannis, Kobe, others, and obviously other people can be mvp. No one will win it every year, but there was no year after the first year ( which was really good) when MJ wasn't the best player not just on the court on any given night, but in the league.
Jordan would have all time scores too if he played as many years
I think D Wade calling MJ the GOAT is the most compelling. It's hard to argue against a guy that played with Lebron and still doesn't think he's the GOAT
6 finals,6 rings,6 finals mvp GOAT
6 rings + 6 FMVP + 5 MVP + 1 DPOY = 18 of the big four major NBA accolades.
That is more than anyone has ever managed in NBA history. Russell won 16. LeBron has won 12....so MJ won 50% more while playing 5 seasons fewer (well, 7 seasons if you discount his two abbreviated seasons where he wasn't eligible for MVP or DPOY). It's really pretty crazy what the dude did.....especially when considering how great LeBron's own career has been, to think someone not only did it better but did it better by such a large margin is almost unfathomable.....but not as mind blowing as the fact LeBron stans still think he is the GOAT given the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
Dude.....this video was just masterful!!
Failing to have 7 straight titles to Cleveland before leaving, takes you out of this conversation. One guy made a "Decision" to remove himself from this unrealistic comparison. You have to at minimum match the goat in titles. 7 to be put above.
Dont include lbj in the goat debate! He's not even close to kobe.
MJ MJ MJ
Man Penny was cold.
I think Penny is still my favorite player.
my gosh is that still being debated? I can see that MJ is really the goat ok like this no matter how many times I watch MJ I never get bored you know that's not like other players if you watch it again you won't stop because it's boring to be honest I'm getting old im still watching him in yt so stop who is really the goat we know MJ then period……
Well said chuck!
MJ is the GOAT and like a God to play basketball Larry bird said
At 0:24, Jordan needed a new wrist ban, lol.
This is no debate
is lebron even close yet they still want to compare.wow
why is it so hard to figure out.
Goats never sit on benches doing crunch times .And Goats have Will to win when all looks hopeless
The Goat is the one that inspires other NBA players to be like him. What NBA players wanna be like Lebron????? Oh, forgot to mention Lebron is also a wannabe Michael Jordan fan and was always inspired by him.
No need for stats and championships, the impact that Michael laid on earth is too much for Lebron to handle
Moral of the story is if you want your kid to be a legend name him with the initials m.j
MJ is like the Mona Lisa. There’s no price or ranking.
Anybody can break records as records are meant to be broken, but Lebron only have four championship rings but Jordan had six championship rings. End of that.
nuff said
Why are people debating what isn't a topic up for debate? Longevity is the only thing Lebro has on Mike. Bron has a losing record in the finals, having lost two times by the broom, even with two Hall of Fame All-stars in one of those sweeps, and having two All-stars in the other sweep. Then he lost two other finals 4-1. Mike has more MVPs, more titles, more finals MVPs, more scoring titles, etc. I can go on, but it's no use.
The goat do not flop or give up on his team or run from a challenge lebron does every one them he will not even take the last shot to win lebron have so many flaws in his game what goat you know have flaws like that.
It will never be another Michael. No matter how mainstream media try to push in there narrative
there's no way in a million years legirl will ever ever compare to micheal jordan
There is NO goat. There’s always a player that has done something another one has not. Bill Russell has ***11 RINGS!!!***
There is a GOAT my friend! And the majority of the people on this planet pick Michael Jordan!!!
@@emedina73 True that.
When you go 6-0 in the finals and even your shoes outsell by a landslide that’s enough to put nails in the coffin. R.I.P this debate.
MJ is the goat
MJ, it's not even close!
I watched both play and I love both guys as well as Kobe but Jordan was so dominant and competitive it was frightening. My whole school dropped what they were doing when Jordan played, and I'm in Australia.
the disrespect on stephon marbury...you couldn't carry his gym bag...smdh
MJ FOREVER THE GOAT!!! IT DIDN'T ASK TO BE HE JUST IS!!!❤
I agree with Barkley 💯
It's not about what parents told you.
Just look at MJ achievements in his 13 season career and the rules are very hard back then watch his game and make a comparison play and situation of what he does.
By the way yes lebron now is the all time scorer but here's the thing though lebron has been playing for 21 seasons now and still can't beat Jordans achievements now imagine if Jordan play to the nba after highschool not after college and does not retire twice and played over 20 sessions.
Who would be the all time scorer
No question 🏀🐐
LeBron needs 6 championships in 7 years & win mvp in those contests! Until then GOAT debate over! Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of ALL time as of March 2023. Discussion OVER!!!
80s
Mj vs larry , magic , isiah ,
90s vs reggie, karl, barkley, clyde, magic,
Lebron 2000s
Duncan, kobe,
2010
Dirk , duncan , durant , steph
MJ IS THE GOAT YES
It's not even close. Jordan is better at offense, defense, and winning championships. Just think about this, Jordan has no weaknesses while LeBron shoots only 37.5% more than 3 feet from the basket. Is afraid of late game free throws, and has a massive choke (vs Dallas) on his resume.
The rules are going to have to come back to they way it was during the 80s and 90s for us to ever seeing the next Jordan. These rules favor the Offense and punishes the defense. The game is completely out of balance and Paul George proved it.
I can’t wait for the Next Jordan, but rules are going to seriously have to change, meaning stop punishing players for playing Defense, it’s a huge part of the game that nonexistent in today’s League. Jordan was great not for just his offense but his defense was just a good also. He may not of been the best defender on his team but he was one of the best ones on the team.
Record number of players averaging over 30ppg. Record number of players averaging over 20ppg. Record number of players dropping 50+, 60+ and 70+ point games.
Yes, the league has become stupidly biased towards offensive players, you can't even look like you are playing defense anymore otherwise the refs will call a foul against you. Just look at Ben Simmons. A DPOY candidate his last season with the Sixers, many thought he should have won. He got that reputation as an aggressive defender not afraid to swipe at the ball and body his opponent and he was allowed to do that. But then he sat out the following season and came back this season. He picked up where he left off as an aggressive defender, doing the same things he was doing before BUT he was now getting called for fouls, literally fouling out every other game. People just thought he was rusty, he wasn't playing as well on the defensive end but in reality it was because the refs had evolved in that short time from allowing that type of aggressive defense to almost completely outlawing it. And because of that, offensive players now have almost free reign to do whatever they please and this is reflected in the above scoring records being smashed. So for people to compare what LeBron is doing as a scorer in this league to what MJ did at (almost) the same age in a completely different league, where defenders were even more aggressive than Simmons, is just silly. There is no comparison at all. Before he got injured in his age 39 season (yes, his first season as a Wizard he turned 39, Bron turned 38 this season) he was averaging 25 per game, having 30, 40 and even a 50 point game. Scoring that much when your team is only scoring 90 and defenders are allowed to be MUCH more aggressive is much more impressive than scoring 28ppg when your team is scoring 120 and defenders can't even look at you without being called for a foul that sends you to the line for free points. The game is so different now it's not funny.
13 seasons vs 20 seasons and better stats for MJ.
better stats AND more accolades
it's crazy how anyone can think LeBron is the GOAT....just insane
their should be a GOAT debate, between Jordan & Chamberlain.
Its two diffirent things.. MJ and Kobe where killers.. while lebron is a All Around Player... Diffirent playstyles, Diffirent era's... Just appreciate GREATNESS... I got MJ as 1A, Kobe as 1B, and LeBron at 1C
Well, Mike definitely had a nicer style!! Very pretty style player! Lebron got the accolades though and he got his own power style! To me, they are both CO-GOATS! Aloha from Hawaii
Accolades? 😂
All time scoring does NOT mean that you are the goat. My eyes doesn’t lie…anyone who can be even be close to MJ is Kobe and if Bird’s health wasn’t the issue then he’d be right there! Lebron is probably the best second tier group of guys though but definitely not the first list of gods of basketball.
It’s funny to me how LeBron elevated himself into this debate. He’s nit in the same group as MJ, Wilt and Kareem. Part of next group with Russell, Magic and Bird.
Leflop isn't even top 5.
Here on earth Haleys comet is seen once every 80 years that's about how long people are going to have to wait to see the next Michael Jordan
MJ is the greatest basketball ball player to ever play the game. LeBron is the greatest athlete of all time.
Except that he’s less athletic than MJ. We call him Mr. Cramps 👍
Backwards
Greatest athlete? According to who?
And define what makes a great athlete? Because he can run fast and jump high? Because he can do those things as a 6-8 guy? Usain Bolt is 6-5 and would absolutely destroy LeBron in those specific athletic disciplines...and that's putting it mildly. So what makes LeBron more athletic? Wilt was a 7ft+ 300lb+ beheamoth who was doing even more athletic things away from an NBA court than LeBron, so why is LeBron even the most athletic NBA player when Wilt existed? I think that's just something Bron stans put out there to make themselves feel better about their fandom.....like 'well, at least we can say he is the greatest at something'
@@inefekt always has to be one ffs. Longevity. If you need it spelled out for you.
@@venom999333 longevity has nothing to do with athleticism, in fact it diminishes it.....LeBron isn't nearly as athletic now as he was when he first came into the league...whatever, I don't think you're talking about actual athletic ability here, probably more of an Americanism in defining a sportsperson generally as an 'athlete' and LeBron in your mind is the greatest sportsperson of all time....which in itself is rubbish, he absolutely isn't that.
It’s not even close. It would be way further still if LeBron wasn’t allowed to carry and travel with the basketball at will. The type of sh-t that was actually called when Jordan played.
I heard Fox Sports analyst Rob Parker on one of their podcasts say that Michael Jordan was called for carrying 3 times in a single playoff game in like 92 or 93. I don’t remember what game he was referring to though.
When you look at both players all around game? Who has no weaknesses MJ* Lebron is a poor free throw shooter underpressure eliminates the king from the throne* how did he get pass kareen seldom seen or pure Magic*
lebron is the best turnover maker in the nba history😅
you can win 1,2 or back to back,,but ive never heared in todays nba won two 3 peat after michael jordans era
Mj may score morethan 100 pts in 1 allstar game today. 😂😂 in regular game probably. Avg. Of 45 ppg.
"If LeBron becomes the all time scoring leader, then...."
So if he had a career ending injury the night before it happened? Doesn't that alone disprove your argument?
Jordan set the bar, story over. He's the one. Have a great day to all
Funny how all you Jordan stans are alike lol y’all don’t watch anyone else y’all just see people call him the GOAT and like sheep you walk with the herd smh Kareem even better than Jordan if you know ball
As always Charles Barkley nails it.