Women as Imams
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It is commonly known that men have traditionally led the ritual prayer (salah) in a mosque (or in a public prayer). Br Shabir gives us his analysis of the Quran and hadith related to this ruling.
Segment aired on October 25, 2008 on CTS
I love how his daughter is the host subhanAllah
Aown Ali
If QT was brown and Muslim yes!
@@AownAli-xi8jq 😅
@Wraith what's wrong with it? They aren't doing anything wrong, rather they are doing a service by educating us. Hazrat Khadija (R.A) did not become a successful businesswoman by hiding at home. She rode into war, proposed to Prophet Muhammad etc. Don't be ignorant.
@Wraith he is to show he is educating her properly
@Wraith - bhagerti.
Wow! I discovered the channel just a couple months ago, I had no idea it had such a long trajectory. MashaAllah!
Yes, dx channel is incredibly amazing
Me also
Ya, same here!!! Wow!!
Alhamdulillah, masyaAllah this was recorded 14 years ago, I learn so much and Allah bless br Shabir Aly and us all
Dec 20, 2008
Wow this is why I love Let the Quran Speak. Issues are discusses in a way they aren't anywhere else.
I am very grateful to Almighty that this channel exist during my tumultuous time I found this channel where an Women, a daughter is hosting her father. Which I can never found in subcontinent. May Almighty bless you both
Interesting discussion. Seen on Easter Sunday in london on 12th April 2020.
Thnk u..may jesus bless on u
And both of the children have turned out to be amongst the most well mannered,well adjusted people I have met and are a credit to their parents.
al-Bukhaari (684) and Muslim (421) narrated from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever notices anything amiss during the prayer, let him say tasbeeh, for if he does so it will be noticed; and clapping is only for women.”
al-Haafiz said:
It is as if women are not allowed to say tasbeeh because they are enjoined to keep their voices low in prayer at all times, because of the fear of fitnah. End quote.
If women are forbidden to alert the imam by speaking if he makes a mistake, and should clap instead, so that they will not raise their voice in the presence of men, then how can it be allowed for a woman to lead them in prayer and deliver a khutbah to them?
these guys are tripping bro. I've seen this brother making a lot of mistakes and giving unnecessary fatwah
It's "Clapping is only for women." not, "Tasbeeh is only for men."
Weak hadeeth
Shabir ally is making a big mistake here. He is explicitly said a woman can lead a prayer if there is some kind of barrier subhanAllah. This are the type of akhiru zaman scholars that were prophesied in the hadith.
He thinks Sahabah took somethings for granted, and we should be better than them.
What a shameful thing to say!!
As Barbra Streisand once asks in the film 'Yentil' (about a woman disguised as a man to study for the rabbinate), 'Tell me where is it written that a woman can't learn? Tell me where?' Personally, I think many religions are lacking a lot of valuable resources when we overlook its women and their knowledge, wisdom and understanding on issues we face on a daily basis. My ancestors in Sicily were quite the scholars regarding the Bible, Talmud and the Koran regarding a wide variety of topics...in both spiritual and secular matters that influenced the Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, etc
SubhanAllah.. I can't believe i heard that right, like a woman leading a prayer from shabir ally. I have looked out to dr. Shabir for a long time, never expected him to say this. I am grouping him as a the akhiru zamaan scholars that were prophesied in the group.
Always amazing
Alhamdulillâhi Rabbil âlamiin.
Thank you Dr ALLY for sharing your knowledge with us. May ALLÂH SWT Protect Bless Help Guide and Grant all of us Jannah. Amiin Amiin Amiin
there ain't no Jannah for Pharaos like u
Ameen YA RAHMANI RAHIM RABIL ALAMEEN ❤️...🤲🏾
Respect n lots of love😊
“Among the signs of the Hour are that knowledge will decrease and ignorance will prevail.”
Sahih Bukhari 81
A woman does not bend over in front of a man during prayer.
Roku (a prayer position) is practically grabbing the ankles.
Yet people turn this into a "womans rights" issue... just ignornace.
May Azawajal grant us knowledge that benefits.
beeps
Why do we follow hadith in the first place. It's a book written by men.
MrEvldreamr sister, dajjal is near and you should back into islam. We know because women are easily triggered and deceived into his agenda.
Men are easily triggered and deceived by other men. Not surprised a man would try to tell a woman her place while addressing a book with clear misogynistic messages...but I digress....
You sir are the proof why women should not pray in front of men
@beeps, Where did you learn Islam from??? Hadeeths don't replace the Qur'an!!!!!! To be prohibited by Allah it must be from the Qur'an.
maa sha Allaah Honorable sir and Respected Daughter
can you elaborate please....... what is ijma
The Hadith Narration pertaining to Umme Warqa Bint Haris gives convinvincing argumants...For me,the real issue is as a ruler,can she deliver Friday Khutba,,because Friday Khutba is peroragative of The Ruler...Thanks for an illuminating discussion...Please refer to Misquoting Muhammad by Jonathan A.C.Brown for detailed discussion.Sincere Regards
Masha Allah, jazakallahayr
May Allah bless you both Daughter and Father , year 2009-2022
Well presented argument and easy to understand, not jumping to one or other conclusions. I think it was dealt with very well masha'allah
It would be a lot clearer to a simple Muslim like me, if you could simply answer the question: Do you pray behind women? If so, why and if not why not? Thank you.
Please, kindly help let me know which religion was Adam and Eave practiced
Islam😄
I Cant stop thinking about those muslim men who Will come to majid and just waitting for The Woman imam. Will those men let Their wifes OR mothers to led The prayer? BaarakAllahu feek for sharing.
It's not a question of "why"; It's a question of "Why not?"
God didn't forbid it as far as I'm aware, so who else has the right to? And people wonder why "there will be more women in hell than men".
Assuming that that's even true, it's no wonder if women aren't allowed to be as actively involved as men are (within reasonable boundaries) when it comes to their religion.
Do you think God is liberal feminist, so he must have equal number of men and women in hell???
Innovation (Biddah) is haram in Islam.
So it is an "innovation"
Our faith is complete nothing can be added or dedication
Mahdi Yusuf Not really! There's plenty of occassions where appropriate concensus can take matters into hands and u know it pretty well I think - Ijma, kiyas or ijtihad. But I agree that basic faith must be universal constant.
If she started a women only jewish synagog and proclaimed her self a rabbai she will be in jail for anti semetic charges.
Someone who is not currently married cant give advise on marriage...until she marry a muslim man.
An Imam obtains credentials like how a priest does from the church and cannot be self pro-claimed.
There is No female Monks, No female Pope, No female priests or Rabbai's.
Even Nun's cover the hair. Nun's wear kind of a Hijab.
Dear Sherin Khankan stop putting excessive perfume or makeup and try to hide your beauty from strangers in public like Quran order you to do. Try being a boarder line muslim first before proclaiming yourself an Imam (Imam is masculine male verb in Arabic by the way), you would become an Imam'ah which is a feminine word in Arabic.
Multiple women in groups of four at a time will always be allowed to have one husband and female share of inheritance will always be smaller then related males. Quran is not editable.
Women in Islam are not allowed to read the Quran or fast or pray when they are on their monthly period, so i assume the mosque will be closed a few days per month ??????
Regards..
*Bokari wants to know your location*
@@WhiteGeared Alhamdulillah, Women Imam is not Ijma yet.
No the world changed addition is required
One should not be looking "ahead/up" when standing in ir during prayer.
One should be looking "down" at about 45 degrees.
When women are leading prayer.. women are in front with "barrier" & gap in between both.
Barrier - Covering - Partition.
In secular nations debates of this sort (about what a historic or religious patriarch said) don't even factor into debates about public policy. They stay confined to dinner tables, churches, and academics. This is the way it should be.
I grew up in Bosnia a secular nation. And i never remember women leading.
وَقُل لِّلْمُؤْمِنَاتِ يَغْضُضْنَ مِنْ أَبْصَارِهِنَّ وَيَحْفَظْنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبْدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَلْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِهِنَّ
till the end of the Ayah.
﴿النور: ٣١﴾
Why is it not allowed for a Muslim family go to the mosque and pray as a family
This issue of females leading a prayer is so interesting. I will not side with any version but will keep following it. I love such theological issues inside my great religion.
Both genders have rights , just the right attitude and respect is what matters and anyone succeeds when they have it, according to Islam.
Nice
I don't know if brother Shabir knows Arabic and has studied "Osool Fiqh" أصول الفقه: The rules of Jurisprudence, but this is by all means an innovation!
Doesn't have to
Are you a sheikh and better than him?
He is so pertinently false.
He is misguiding the ummah.
Well then that's why the leading women should be one who cannot bare children for example a Elder women, or barren women, or younger girls whom have not reached puberty, or just women who want to learn once competent, this is also educate and helps women girls learn, and gain confidence, sometimes I think many men like having dominance for the wrong reasons, bu Idon't see a problem, older women do not get their period, also for all women it's good to learn.
My culture elder women like Native wahine(women) of New Zealand have similar tradition as Arabs well according to my family tree my family lineage is, and my people would have women call the visitors onto the land in a cultural way and then man takes over inside the house with prayers and speech, men walk into the house first to protect women, and men sit at front of women, women recite chant after the mans speech only if needed, men do most of the reciting prayers.
Women these days many are speaking because men lack the skills, I believe women should be able to help men, as they say a home needs a women's feminine touch, culture, religion should be praised together equally in this way it should be respected.
If men think thoughts of Lustful temptation, then that proves their faith in Allah is weak, any persons who believe in God should have strength to reject Shaytans Evil whispers.
I don't understand how men expect women to be demoralised and under them when thy womb Is Carried for 40wks inside a women is the creation of Man, Allah gifted us women to carry life, in which Allah gives the breath of life.
From a cultural view, men were usually at the front to protect us women, not because of superiority. But men were stronger than women, but these days many men are far from that, it's sad to see.
My forefathers all protected their women and I come from a long line of Chiefs. And i will tell you i come from 56 Generations of Chieftainship and some were Women.
Many men from the beginning of this ideological movement many sinned, so why should I or many others follow such slander.
Many uneducated third world countries would assume it's because women are meant to be slaves, and once in writing it is taken way out of context.
If a man who is righteous whom has never sinned stones a women let he be one whom has never sinned. That is what Isa Pbuh said to the Romans according to their beliefs, so in saying that why does man dare to go against the Prophets Messenger.
These days women many of us are providers of our families and we are thousands of different nations can do just as much as a man can, and many men have lost their way and become women and weak at the knees of Shaytan. Women are less likely to stray. Fact!
May we be blessed with the knowledge and think in the right way, may Allah forgive us all and the world, may thee have mercy on us, for thee loveth us unconditionally, may our people who follow Islam Practice Allah's lore/Law in the right way and not be mislead.
Peace in thy heart, thy mind and thy soul and keep us from separation, and stressed our Faith, for Our Lord Almighty Allah is most merciful, illa ilahi ila allah ana muhammadin rasuloolah there is only one God, and bless the messenger Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alayhi w'AlSallaam.
May Allah bring Peace to our world and redeem us from all Evil.
Amine.
Br. Shabir Ally is a prominent and highly qualified scholar of Islam. Masha Allah, he is the next best intellectual scholar in the lines of Br. Jamal Badawi and Dr. Zakir Naik. Most certainly Br. Shabir is a highly respected intellectual scholar.
(2) الرِّجَالُ قَوَّامُونَ عَلَى النِّسَاءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ اللَّهُ بَعْضَهُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ وَبِمَا أَنفَقُوا مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ فَالصَّالِحَاتُ قَانِتَاتٌ حَافِظَاتٌ لِّلْغَيْبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ اللَّهُ وَاللَّاتِي تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَاهْجُرُوهُنَّ فِي الْمَضَاجِعِ وَاضْرِبُوهُنَّ فَإِنْ أَطَعْنَكُمْ فَلَا تَبْغُوا عَلَيْهِنَّ سَبِيلًا إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّا كَبِيرًا ﴿النساء: ٣٤﴾
Maybe the Ustadz forgot about this aayah..
Men are caretakers of women.
Is Shabir related to the host. They both have the same surname
She is his daughter.
So can woman lead in prayer?
Sheik.. Refer to alquran ayat 34... And there's a couple of hadith concerning women to pray behind men and women to pray at home...
@34centipede: the way of the prophet is absolutely compulsory to be followed... it is mentioned in quran that follow what ur prophet S.A.W. says and not following what he says is not what Allah likes... so not following the prophet S.A.W. means not following the quran and not pleasing Allah...
Nabeel Musharraf
Actually.....you only follow the prophet so long as he follows God. If his words or teachings run contradictory to Gods word then we cant follow him.
All the prophets of God are like this with the exception of Isa. Even Moses angered God bc he is only a human.
Well there can be a compromise: a woman can be an imam meaning educational responsibilities but during the prayer people could just divide and she would lead the women and a chosen man would lead men.
Subhaan'Allāh
SubhanAllah
We can't keep thinking the same way we used to think centuries ago since the world isn't the same as it was centuries ago.
Asselamualaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu....
If it's a topic of women leading the prayer than I accept that if women not lead prayer (where men also praying behind) it's better, based on my observations besides of words of beloved Prophet (pbuh).
Don't feel alone. Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism also ignore(reinterpret) ancient religious texts and law to make way for the modern human to adjust the word of God and Prophets. Every religion ignores ancient stuff to keep existing in the modern world.
do you know that divorcing accoridng to the bible and biblical scholars are forbidden in christianity?
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What if she gets her periods while leading a prayer???thaei are so many ahadith saying a woman cannot lead a prayer for man.....
She can't enter mosque , if she can't enter mosque how they can be imam (leading prayer)
@@AntonNb the only reason why menstruating women weren't allowed to go to the mosques back then was due to leakage and hygiene issues. There are multiple hadiths about Aisha (ra) going in the mosque while menstruating. Not only that, there was a women who lived in the mosque in a tent and she most likely menstruated so women are allowed to go in
Your explanation of hadith is out of context.
The Prophet had said that on a certain occasion when the Muslims defeated the Persisns and woman was chosen to lead them...
Also Umm Warqa used to lead prayer in her area where the Muazin was a man, so it shows that she led prayers for mix gathering...
Ijma' my brother is the consensus of scholars of the Salaf (the Sahaba and the tab3'een: Disciples and their students, along with the rest of the three favored centuries, not to mention other ages of the Umma up to this day.
Amorphis777 Who told u other umma is shariah?! Prove ur statement from quran and hadit.
This is the third source of jurisprudence in Islam after the Qur'an and the Sunnah. It's authority comes from many scriptural sources...
Those desiring to create fitnah in Islam
will push this issue
He made the subject more confusing. The question is why all the sahabas and scholars thought that women shouldn't be imam? Big question?
I think the simple answer is probably the correct answer. Because they were misogynistic.
But it is going to continue,there is no going back,and,regrettably those who follow Islam in the west will either have to adapt to this or try to adjust their mindset to be content to live in economically reduced circumstances and I worry about the effect this will have on the minds of the young who try to remain faithful to the religion but see that great problems exist for them in keeping up economically.
@britishbengaltiger lol how does this video prove that he has no knowledge of the fiqh or the Arabic language? He has knowledge of hadith and Qur'an, how is this not knowledge of fiqh??
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “A time of patience will come to people in which adhering to one’s religion is like grasping a hot coal.”
Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2260
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani
Whilst this is a logical approach we must remember that no woman led the prayers in the masjid at the time of the Prophet SAW.
Theres no point in doing an act of worship which won't be accepted by Allah. We should stick to the way the Prophet SAW did things, that's the safer way.
Unapologetic Muslim But prophet never prohibited it himself and no his age was different so we have to adapt with age in halal ways of course e.g. women r leaders and armies and rich without husbands.
But I wonder how will they lead salah consistently if they have period often? And even if a female Imam past her period leads the salah, would she be able to lead long salah like tarawee consistently?
@@WhiteGeared well, you could argue that not being able to do wudhu is restricted to those who are sick/unwell. Periods are not a sickness and is not unclean. If blood was unclean men would not have prayed in blood when in battlefields. If a woman has periods where she is unwell, then yes it makes sense she is not able to cleanse (and therefote pray) or fast but if not, then there's no issue. Keen to hear your well-researched and intelligent thoughts in a reply. Thanks.
@@peonypink7943 As far as I understand, there's no citation from prophet himself that says salah with period is permissible, rather opposite is true. And no, blood from physical strikes and blood from biochemical reaction is vastly different. It is said by prophet to not wash martyrs rather bury with bloodsoaked state that they are in which is opposite for periodical blood.
So the question remains if a female Imam can wash clean and it seems the period stopped, will it be still valid to pray or lead prayers. It seems yes but better not to handle the situation where she misjudged the next occurance of the period when it happens during salah. It will then complicate the situation tenfolds e.g. if the followers prayers are valid as they don't know and many others I can think of.
And as far as I understand, this restriction doesn't apply to fasting at all. Females can fast whether they are in period or not. I meant only salah when citing 'prayer' word.
This is why we say nothing new is to be allowed in the rituals of Salat or any other worship, and this is by all means a "bid'ah" يدعة:Innovation!
In Christianity women are not to teach or usurp authority over men when taught correct. Women can teach and pray with women and children. In this area Islam seems to agree in general. Sadly, most have given away to feminism and it has destroyed much of Christianity.
Prophet Muhammad grants - in authentic Hadith - the right path to those who follow the Deen only as it was back at his time and his immediate followers! "Whoever comes up with something other than that which we observe (as religion or act of worship), it is to be rejected" says prophet Muhammad as narrated by Ae'isha in Sahihul Bukhary. Imam Malik says: "Anything that was not at that time part of the Deen, is not to become part of it today or any other day"!
@Amorphis777 In the Prophets time women also did not fight in battle during Jihad, yet there many muslim women in the military in their muslim countries, and there is nothing in the hadith saying that this is forbidden.
There was a woman who actually did fought with the Prophet sas
Never mind all the excuses of the female body and such. Why cant people just accept that men should be the ones leading in religion? Why is that seen as male chauvinism and not a religious duty? Actually, it is a relief for women because woman have been duped by feminism into doing a lot more than they should and neglecting their role as mothers. Being an Imam entails one to be at the Masjid constantly. Is this what Muslim women really want their life to be? I know they don't. Its feminism talkn
@Amorphis777, i think wheather there is hadith or not, why would a person create something that was not approved during the prophet(SAW). These women have no knowledge of the deen or just don't believe in the hereafter. I would not risk my belief if it's not worth it. all the things that happenning are crazy.
i thought we're talking about women in hijab here. if the women are properly dressed, which everyone is expected to be in a prayer situation, men won't have anything to check out. and again, this problem can be solved if men and women are separated anyway. one woman leads, other women stand behind her.. and the men in the next room or behind the curtains or something. :p
bagh98
Idk wtf anybody's talking about anymore. Women leading prayer is a complete non-issue to me.
Its not hard to say like that" Allah has divided the rules of life and the rules of religion, as all of us chosen to be as he is weather poor or rich employer or employee,... etc why we don't accept the Leader of prayer to be for Men, secondly, women buddy is such a Fitnnah for men, i believe the first raw will suffer too much if their Emam is a waman, thirdly woman got monthly period and sometimes another kind of blood, could happen when she leading maghrib or Esha, what gonna happen Shabbir Ali, lastly why we don't lighting our life with what the previous generation does, we are not better understanding than them specifically in such a topic. We don't need to westernized our Deen to match the western mentality our Deen is very unique and who want to embrace Islam he must know he going to follow Allah's law not Allah going to follow his law.
Salaam to you. Thank you on behalf of all the Muslims for your generous compliment. And you are 100% correct about the devastating effects of feminism on the family structure as a whole. May Allah bless and guide you.
Stating that men are required to lead prayers [ barring women from leading ] would be an innovation, a new rule, in Islam. Men have traditionally led prayers primarily due to cultural and social influences rather than religious restraints. There is no reason why a qualified woman can not lead a prayer. In my opinion, it would help all people learn more self-control {e.g. (some) men could learn to control their 'sexual desires,' ego, and actions more as they would have to focus on lowering their gaze more in order to pray}. Every person should be able to pray free of physical desires and ego, with humility, and should be focused on God alone.
@Mohamud Ahmed The second half was my opinion on how to get back to the way the Prophet taught; to remove negative cultural influences that taint His message.b
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@Mohamud Ahmed 29:46
@Mohamud Ahmed The Holy Quran. It's multiple layers of messages. Messages of Peace for the Heart. Messages of Islam. That verse was applicable to our comments. Don't you agree with the Quran?
@Mohamud Ahmed What you say or I say doesn't matter. What the message of the Quran and The Messenger says is. They do not block women from leading prayers. Other people established those 'rules,' but in doing so went against the heart of The Message. The Quran even speaks within itself about how religions have been corrupted over time by those who wish to change the message for personal gain and power. Did you read the Quran verse? If you are a believer, that is the message from our conversation.
Peace be upon you.
(I wonder if I too would have called The Prophet, pbuh, or Allah, 'Dude' if the Quran was recited directly to me). I hope when that day comes I am able to improve my manners and character as the Prophet, as the Walking Quran, taught His many messages.
Peace be upon you.
How about you discuss "The historical fate of women before Islam" and then start what ever future you want to discuss.
In all seriousness I have to ask, how could a woman subject herself to this?
Nauseum
Because she like us all is surrendering to God.
We merely follow His Laws.
My point is that the Quran leaves out a lot of things unclear.
We should all follow the Prophet, but not the Sunnah to the letter.
It has unhealthily become an obsession.
What is haram or hallal has already been revealed.
Allah had his reasons for not revealing the content of the Sunnah in the Quran. We shouldn't rely too much on the Sunnah and the consensus of the Ummah. The sunni school is too extreme for my taste. I won't let any man take away the sacred freedom given to me by Allah.
Islam is all about gaining freedom for the law of men to submit to the law of god. A spiritual liberation.
What is the point then of recreating new types of mandatory manmade rules based on the consensus of men ?
It is like you are telling Allah he should have forbidden woman from leading the prayer in the Quran. He decided not to. Then this question should always remain open to discussion. If some muslims find it right, then let them pray this way
12 years gone, this channel still hasn't gone viral! Such an underrated Islamic channel, despite it's great quality. Canada effect I guess.
It’s a satanic channel
especially if she is wearing jeans
As a Muslim, I only believe in the word of Allah, which is the Quran. Quran doesn't say that women can not lead the prayer. Inshallah, I would like to see women leading prayers.
Then how will you pray without hadees ,where in Qur'an it says about imam in prayer🤣🤣🤣👉🧠
I don't think he really knows what he's talking about....
He doesn’t.
In what way? You need to back up your comments.
women can work and educate also.. it s said dat if the woman who works and decides to give her salary to her family (coz only man should spend and take care of his family),it s considered as a charity..!!! and Muhammed (pbuh) asked to educate every being..!!
- The woman's body is very different from a man
- It is haraam to be gay. So that gay man has to hold down his urge, if he can't, then he should pray at home
Quoting Hadith (Words Of Men) Should Be Haram. Seeing As Quran Says It Is Without Doubt.
that makes no sense
Asalaamu-Alaiykum Warahmatu-llahi Wabarakatu Brothers and Sisters,
I would like to apologise in advance for the controversial example/question that I am about to state/pose for it will undoubtedly hurt plenty of feelings of the toes I am about to step on!
Imagine a scenario, that of a woman/lady leading a congregational prayer ( as there are five at different times of the day and it could be any one of them ) and her menopause periods start in mid-prayer!
The question arises how do you deal with that as a woman is not allowed to perform the rituals of hajj, fasting, performing salah on her own in seclusion at home, let alone approaching the house of Allah s.w.t and leading congregational prayers! ? Na'audhubillahi min hadha, Astaagh'firullah.
Well I believe, that's why the leading women should be one who cannot bare children for example a Elder women, or barren women, or younger girls whom have not reached puberty, or just women who want to learn once competent, this is also educate and helps women girls learn, and gain confidence, sometimes I think many men like having dominance for the wrong reasons, bu Idon't see a problem, older women do not get their period, also for all women it's good to learn.
My culture elder women like Native wahine(women) of New Zealand have similar tradition as Arabs well according to my family tree my family lineage is, and my people would have women call the visitors onto the land in a cultural way and then man takes over inside the house with prayers and speech, men walk into the house first to protect women, and men sit at front of women, women recite chant after the mans speech only if needed, men do most of the reciting prayers.
Women these days many are speaking because men lack the skills, I believe women should be able to help men, as they say a home needs a women's feminine touch, culture, religion should be praised together equally in this way it should be respected.
If men think thoughts of Lustful temptation, then that proves their faith in Allah is weak, any persons who believe in God should have strength to reject Shaytans Evil whispers.
I don't understand how men expect women to be demoralised and under them when thy womb Is Carried for 40wks inside a women is the creation of Man, Allah gifted us women to carry life, in which Allah gives the breath of life.
From a cultural view, men were usually at the front to protect us women, not because of superiority. But men were stronger than women, but these days many men are far from that, it's sad to see.
My forefathers all protected their women and I come from a long line of Chiefs.
Many men from the beginning of this ideological movement many sinned, so why should I or many others follow such slander.
Many uneducated third world countries would assume it's because women are meant to be slaves, and once in writing it is taken way out of context.
If a man who is righteous whom has never sinned stones a women let he be one whom has never sinned. That is what Isa Pbuh said to the Romans according to their beliefs, so in saying that why does man dare to go against the Prophets Messenger.
These days women many of us are providers of our families and we are thousands of different nations can do just as much as a man can, and many men have lost their way and become women and weak at the knees of Shaytan. Women are less likely to stray. Fact!
May we be blessed with the knowledge and think in the right way, may Allah forgive us all and the world, may thee have mercy on us, for thee loveth us unconditionally, may our people who follow Islam Practice Allah's lore/Law in the right way and not be mislead.
Peace in thy heart, thy mind and thy soul and keep us from separation, and stressed our Faith, for Our Lord Almighty Allah is most merciful, illa ilahi ila allah ana muhammadin rasuloolah there is only one God, and bless the messenger Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alayhi w'AlSallaam.
May Allah bring Peace to our world and redeem us from all Evil.
Amine.
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Asalamu alaikum
It is not permissible for women to lead men in prayers
@@ahlulhadith6367 personally I prefer not to be praying with men anyway, and separate for personal preference, I've heard many women with their beautiful voices sound like Malaik Angels.
It's a Shame that these days many recite in Arabic English accent or change the interpretation or don't know what they saying, I don't know which one is worse.
I Believe women if Allah wills it, thou shall be done, man has no rule over mankind but Allah Swt.
In a Peaceful to sort this situation maybe women should have their own mosque.
For myself the only one who leads me is my husband, i don't let any other man lead me, i don't give any man that privilege.
My Arab husband knows this, we are a people a family yet we can't learn to compromise and persevere, yesterday I spoke to some young Muslims in their 20s and they don't care bout any of this, many are lured away gone astray because of the injustices or non equilibrium concepts between siblings of a people who follow the same Religion.
People starting to lose faith, men are Commiting evil upon evil and in the name of Allah, may Allah Swt forgive those whom follow shaytan without knowing.
Does Islam mean Peace, it is not an analogy, a word with a meaning Practiced in ancient times, but as Allah has said in the Qur'an many of those before us were lead astray.
A modern time has come and i believe we take the good and learn from the past.
May Allah bless and protect us All and bring PEACE to this World, they say above every mother is Allah, so these days men make themselves bigger than the many msgs Allah gave us.
My Ancestors are of the Tribes of Israel and I look at fairness and read the Qur'an I a good way, for myself, we are all responsible for our own souls.
May Allah guide mankind in Peace and Love. Amine.
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There's nothing wrong with women leading women in prayer. But the issue is women leading men. If I'm not mistaken it's ijmaa of the ulama that it's not permissible.
@@ahlulhadith6367 Allah made man weak yet physically stronger than women to protect us not to bully us, without us there will be no ummah, women deserve respect, I have 4 women Chieftiness on my long line of Noble lineage, gender has nothing to do with who leadership is appointed too, one of my Grandfather's handed the Chieftainship to his youngest daughter out of her 4 older brothers and this her father's wish, and she is 15 generations above me.
When people learn there History of their Genealogy their own lineage and you see Queen Elizabeth ll of Britain is a Descendant of Prophet Muhammad Sallalahu Alayhi w'AlSallaam from him his grandson Hasan she descends from and look she's a women and generations before many women.
Man has no right to change history to their perception, and if it's not in the Qur'an then it's blasphemy far as I am concerned.
Prove me wrong.
I can understand this is a heavy topic for you ... it is premature to discuss such topic with you guys in the absance of understanding the Islamic Aqeeda ... I suggest you understand the Creator (Allah) and then take the next step.
All of you calm down
Why does he go a round in circle? He should unequivocally state: as Imam Ibn Hubierah [d. 560A.H.] rahimahullah says:
They [the scholars] have complete consensus that it is not permissible for a woman to lead a man in prayer in obligatory prayers.
The evidence the scholars use is available for all to reference.
Allah knows Best!
myyou1 What's the Imam's logic? Just so a companion or Imam says so doesn't mean it's shariah. But of course if the logic is significantly applicable and acceptable then it must be implemented as shariah after concensus.
16:116 And do not say about what your tongues assert of untruth, "This is lawful and this is unlawful," to invent falsehood about Allah. Indeed, those who invent falsehood about Allah will not succeed.
Allah will rule the world accept it
You cant stop a God allah knows everything and already knows what going to happen there no point of try to stop him cause you just fail
I would love to see women imams but I was thinking what if they get their period ? Would they have to take a week off every month ?
Then any other women can lead prayer, what is the problem?
Here we are in 2020 where more bida'as are to come. Ya Allah forgive us and guide us to the straight path. It is painful to see all the signs of the Hour , but we must be strong and not accept others invitation to innovations
I'm pretty sure Mary is seen as a prophet in Islam. God spoke to her and that equals being a prophet.
dont delete my comments please
If there is nothing in the Quran that says that woman cannot lead prayer so in my mind that settles it. Hadith is simply not needed. It’s a lie sent to seperate us from the simplicity of Islam and Allah!
Prophet Muhammad Says in authentic Hadith: "This nation does not agree on a fallacy" This means that the consensus of scholars of old will never take place on something that is false! So if it has always been observed that it is not allowed for a woman to be Imam, or for people to do Salat in a mixed congregation, and not a single disciple or scholar of old even suggested otherwise; then anything else is by necessity false and innovation!
Muhammad (pbuh) used to recite from the lap of his wife while she was on her period. Does that mean that every time we recite Qur'an we must do so in this way?
The Prophet nor Allah never specifically disobeyed the leading of prayer by a woman. If it was really such a "no no" don't you think it would have been mentioned at some point?
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You can find hadiths in the comment more up where women are prohibited to lead men in prayer.
does not stand out front of other sisters, as she stays in the ranks. The home is different, as hadis do confirm that a woman did lead her husband in prayer, as she was MUCH MORE conversant in Qur'an than he. I would suggest that as time moved on, and he grew in knowledge, he would be the primary leader of prayer; couldn't tell you if this would forever preclude her leading in the future. Interesting topic, though.On another note, we must be mindful of a feminist influence, which serves to
This Man don't definitely understand the Glorious Quran indeed.
With all due respect to Sheikh Shabir Ally, this question about making a woman an imam is imposed to us from the west because they are themselves confused about equality with no moral standards. They may have women in the military, but when the war gets heated, women fall back. Where is equality? Imagine the front row in military is led by a pregnant? Does that make sense? Imagine (when the following is a fact) that you are a christian (we seek refuge from Allah), and you go to a church where the one who leads the prayer is a woman dressing immodestly, half of her beauty is showing, and she reminds you of "god"? Do you call this logic? Is this what we should go to in the future?
In fact churches in the west are yet a house of business, where the preacher, pastor, or whoever you call is the person that asks for money using religious justifications, and therefore both genders in the west are seeking this position for money-making purposes. But in Islam, Alhamdulillah, this doesn't happen, and the Imam of the prayer is a male person who doesn't require a degree or certain rituals to lead the prayer, nor should he have to collect money from others for his own benefit other than Sadaqa (charity based on the will of the maker/giver of this charity) or Zakat (if he falls in one category of whom Zakat should be given to). All praise and gratitude be to Allah for the grace of Islam.
All Prophets p.u .them were Imams. Do you know any woman prophet? Even the best of women Mariam binti Imran (mother of Isa a.s) never was an Imam to anyone. After Rosul s.a.w. passed away none of his daughters or wives were not public imams. So if you want to follow authentic Islam there should not be Imams from women leading men's Salah. If you want still be lead by woman imam then do not call it islam or traditional salah. You just created new religion for yourselves.
Yes there were hundreds world wide
Some men also use women's periods as an excuse. :/
why is it always putting down woman. God would not allow this. A Hadith is Not from God.
women leading the prayer is a issue for those who want to make a issues. we are fully aware of our religious principles and we know from the ijma of the muslims that women can not lead the prayer as this man is suggesting...who made him THE MAN. PLEASE GIVE SOME REFERENCE WHERE IT SAY WOMEN CAN LEAD THE PRAYER.
Honest question, if the question is about leading from in front of back than why not have the women in the front with the men's section behind. I understand this would get in the tricky because men should not be in front because looking at women's figures as oppose god..
I wonder if he as a modern scholar personally follow a women leading prayer.
FYI. Some men-women section in Indonesia mosques aren't front-behind, but left-right with barrier between them. But women as imam still out of questions here, i guess.
@Machher786 I think the fact you mention womens "religious education" being encouraged, with other education in brackets, as if it's umimportant just shows the priorities of islam. You make my argument for me. As for no women imams when there are men in the audince, how much more sexist could islam be? men rule men, men rule women, women rule women, but women cannot rule men! Again you make my argument for me.
its pretty simple why they are not
man cant be behind a woman in prayer because it can lead to disctraction
So she cant lead prayer with men
but even if she lead prayer with women and men in the back, you would still have the same problem.
Also women menstruate, so she cant be available to lead prayer every time.
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This is an act of worship you don't look for legislation forbidding it rather you look for legislation that allows it. I can't make my dhuhr salah seven rak'ahs because i think it is good, a person can ask what forbids that? nothing forbids it but it is an act of worship and acts of worship everything is haraam until something comes to prove otherwise, not the other way around. Salah is an act of worship you cant just add things and say who says I can't.