A Salacious Conspiracy or Just 34 Pieces of Paper?
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- čas přidán 22. 04. 2024
- The prosecution and the defense both opened their cases on Monday in the first criminal trial of Donald Trump.
Jonah Bromwich, who watched from inside the courtroom, walks us through the arguments.
Guest: Jonah E. Bromwich (www.nytimes.com/by/jonah-e-br...) , a reporter for The New York Times covering criminal justice in New York.
Background reading:
• An unprecedented trial opened with two visions of Mr. Trump (www.nytimes.com/2024/04/22/ny...) .
• Read five takeaways from the fifth day of Trump’s criminal trial (www.nytimes.com/live/2024/04/...) .
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday.
GREAT JOB TELLING A COMPLEX STORY!
Decade long story that many weren't aware of when they voted for Trump. Fixer,Michael Cohen recorded the whole plot. Accountant Weisselberg (sp?) is conveniently in jail, again. Yes, the bad island of Trump's version of GITMO. Make Attorneys Get Attorneys MAGA.
Only takes one juror for hung jury. I can see this case being retired. The defense has names.
A conviction would highly likely give Trump a huge boost in the polls based on the evidence we've already seen so far in terms of the indictments and poll results afterward?
I would love to hear the cost to taxpayers for this trial. School me please.
I doubt its more expensive than the amount he is already being required to pay based on the other cases he has already lost.
What is reality? Or when is reality, in this case, finally being fixed and forever unchanging? Never right? So reality can’t be known.
@Edo9River Maybe you don't know there exist *_two_* kinds of reality -- objective & subjective. *Objective reality IS fixed & unchanging* (though _someone's understanding/misunderstanding_ of such facts is initially wrong and then changes when we learn more -- but the core underlying fact never changes). Objective reality comes from immutable facts -- e.g. all stars including our sun is a giant fireball fueled by hydrogen & helium. *Subjective reality comes from our inner beliefs & opinions* (often isn't fact-based). E.g. when a child *_feels_* scared of a koala bear at a zoo. Only the child knows, & others can only trust/disbelieve the child.
Subjective reality applies to each person uniquely & privately, so it can be known by others *_only_** as well as* that person can clearly convey their inner belief/"fact". Objective reality is real, is based on knowable facts, and over time thinking people *can* know it.
Most court cases involve both types. And it's why "testimony" is allowed -- it is a person telling their personal belief/"fact". Stormy Daniels knows whether she & DJT slept together. Her testimony puts her "reality" in the trial record, and her character/trustability can either support or sink her testimony/"reality". On the other side, business documents are objective -- a cashed check tells us who gave money to whom, how much, and when. That's a fixed and forever unchanging fact. It doesn't tell us why they gave money, but Cohen's (subjective) testimony with other (objective) info (he recorded trump agreeing to pay Stormy) shows reality.
Takes some research if you haven't followed. Start at the Stormy and Karen McDougal affairs (Pecker National Inquirer AMI Trump Tower meeting) then go to Michael Cohen plea and Congressional Hearings and jail pleas. (He has books). He lied when he said he talked of Russia Hotel only a few times instead of more like 10x.
This is an election interference case based on fraudulent bookkeeping. Campaign Finance rules are clear and strict. Therby Conspiracy and Obstruction. Trump has said recently ' we didn't deduct the lawyer expenses incurred by Michael Cohen....' Michael Cohen took out a second mortgage for Ms. Daniels payoff and her signing an NDA. There's much more.
I'm trying to figure out the motivations for this conspiracy. What makes the Inquirer pick up the phone when Trump's people call? The Inquirer has a story about Trump and a porn star, coming from the porn star, but not confirmed by Trump or his people. After the call , Pecker has two stories: the first story and a story about Trump suppressing a story about him and a porn star. That's no better for Trump or his attorney because now Trump has more people to pay off. That doesn't make sense. The fewer people that know the better. If I want to keep this quiet, I just pay off Daniels and I don't involve the Inquirer at all. Trump and Pecker have to already know each other and have some level of trust to make that call. Daniels isn't just shopping this story to one tabloid. She's, shopping it to everyone and anyone. So Trump would have to have an agreement to suppress this story everywhere at the same time, and that doesn't make sense. Too many people already know. Too many people to pay off, that he knows about, and he doesn't know exactly who Daniels has shopped the story to. This doesn't add up. The only way this makes sense is that Trump calls Pecker before Daniels starts shopping the story so he can get ahead of it. Then Pecker calls Daniels to get an exclusive on the story. The other option is that Pecker and Trump have done business before and Pecker knows that when one of Trump's hookers shops a story, call Trump right away because you're going to get paid to suppress it. It will be interesting to see how much money Pecker got paid for not running the story as opposed to what he could make selling copies of the story. If he's really engaged in checkbook journalism, then it's likely that he'd make more money selling the story, because that's why you pay people for stories. There's more to the Trump Pecker relationship than what we have been told so far.
That means there are accounting entries out there, because no one is stupid enough to show up at the Inquirer's office with a paper bag full of cash.
@needmorecowbell6895 Your questions make it clear you don't know about trump's & pecker's relationship. Many news articles by NY lawyers have stated that David Pecker loves trump (they both had a business together in 1997, a magazine called "Trump Style", which failed). Pecker also donated lots of money to trump's 2015 run. Pecker's Enquirer has made lots of money printing salacious lies & rumors trump told and let him print (and amplify) those lies/stories. Pecker's always supported & helped trump.
Given the fact that David Pecker wanted to help trump, his "catch & kill" behaviors matched what the prosecutor said yesterday in trial. Also, you may not understand how "catch & kill" works. It doesn't mean pecker waits for Stormy Daniels to call him. It really means pecker's people find & entice Daniels to sell her story permanently to the National Enquirer. This sale is done with a business contract, which says her story becomes the Enquirer's property, Stormy can't tell anyone else her story forever, and if she does tell her story to others then she agrees she'll then owe $2 million to the Enquirer. That's what prevented her, and she got money for it (by Cohen, who was the middle-man then working for trump -- criminals always try to hide their crimes). Later, Stormy learned the contract was illegal, so she could then tell her story freely. She learned a business contract becomes cancelled if it was part of a crime or helped a crime. Here, this contract did exactly that so her contract became invalid & she again owned her story freely. She then wrote a book about her story with trump's "mushroom pecker".
@@needmorecowbell6895 Maybe you aren't aware the "34 pieces of paper" (in podcast title) refers to 34 actual business & accounting records. So yes, they exist, the prosecution has them, and many such records were described in the indictment doc filed to the court. You should read the indictment. It's a public document you can find online. The prosecution even has cashed checks (described in my previous reply), & lots more proof. This case isn't about "hush money" -- it's about falsified business records & election laws he broke.
Stormy and Karen didn't want to come forward. 20 other credible harassment cases have passed statute of limitations or had NDAs attached to the women. Trump intention to squash all encounters during election season. Many voters knew about Trump's continuous infidelity throughout his three marriages.
@@keep-ukraine-free528 I've read the indictment pdf several times. It's 34 counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree. But part of that charge has the language "with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime." But there's no other charge. So what's the other crime and who is Trump trying to defraud? He's not defrauding Daniels. She's getting paid. He's not defrauding Cohen. He's knows all about this and he's getting paid. He's not defrauding Pecker. He's part of the alleged conspiracy. There's no other charge in the indictment. He's not defrauding the IRS. Trump gets no income out of this and he's not facing Federal Tax charges. So who's the victim of fraud and what's the crime?