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Harley Tuning Bible: Who's What's & Why's of Tuning a Harley-Davidson w/ a Vance & Hines FP3 Install
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2021
- I have owned a lot of Harley's since the early 2000's and it takes forever to understand the tuning debacle that is making your bike run right with exhaust and intakes. In this video we go through the history of what the issues are, how to get past them, and my favorite tuner for the dedicated shadetree mechanic - the @vanceandhines FP3. Thanks again to @DennisKirk for getting my mapping question answered for me!!!
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They sent me a tune for my Stage One 2010 Ultra Classic last year. Worked out great! They suggested setting the Throttle Progressivity to Aggressive. That alone made a huge difference in drivability. She was a bit of a slug before the tune. Now she rocks!
The FP3 was probably the 3rd upgrade i did after getting my 14 SGS last year. easy and very pleased with the outcome
The previously married FP3s are still useful to check engine temps on any other bike you can plug them into. It’s good to see and learn what’s “normal” for your engine at various ambient temps and loads. For example, sumping is going to spike your engine temp. Good to have a baseline so that you know when something is out of wack.
I did 3 auto tune sessions with my bike. Each time it got better. I’m pretty happy with the FP3. It’s easy and simple to use. I agree that if you are just doing a stage one (intake and exhaust) this is the perfect tuner. If you are doing anything above the stage one you need a more complete tuner and for folks who don’t understand fuel ratios a guy who is knowledgeable on a dyno and the tuner you choose. Great stuff. 👍
I had an FP3 for my 2011 Heritage Softail with a Stage III and it ran awesome. Great tuner.
Very noticeable how much smoother my bike ran with this FP3. From the very first startup after installing the correct map, you can tell it's smoother and running better. I've had a good experience with the FP3 and I recommend it also. Great vid.
Dude! This video was so good, I know you and others have talked about the FP3 plenty but you really broke it down and it was so useful. My RG is getting one this spring, hands down! Keep it up Monk!
@professional monkey
Thank you for this video! It dumbs it down to someone that doesn't know a thing about tuning! As always keep up the great videos and I hope you and your family have a Happy New Year!
In the “view sensor data” screens- touch one of the 5 indicators. A menu will come up that allows you to change the layout. I program all 4 pages of “gages”.
I like the FP3 a lot. Runs far better (full stage II) than it did with the $400 Dyno tune it had. I spent some time on the phone with V&H and they can monitor your bike while running. The support from them is amazing. Auto tune did nothing for me. Their canned tune with over the phone tweaks nailed it.
Be sure to play with throttle progressivty. Changes the whole personality of the engine.
I even have a “rain” tune I can switch to. It limits throttle in low gears and lower redline in low gears.
Unlimited possibilities for custom tweaks on there. Change warmup schedule, idle speed, redline, etc. I really like the gages. Even reads TQ and HP. With the Dyno tune installed TQ and HP read exactly what the Dyno sheet shows. The V&H Tune shows 8 more HP and 12 lbs TQ increase. Runs smoother, no pop now and noticeable better power. I tell my Harley buddies it runs like a Honda now! They go into spastic convulsions.
2016 FLHTK
I love the idea of the rain tune!
😂😂😂
Thanks so much for your videos!!! Keep on Keeping on and God Bless your New Year, Shinny Side up!
Thanks, you too!
Thanks for the Vid Monk! Hope you guys had a great Xmas and a have a kick-ass New Year!
Added the FP3 to my 16 Slim after I installed V&H long shots staggered and big sucker intake. Ran an auto tune session for about 5 days which made it ride and sound great. V&H customer support for maps and advice is also really good.
All good info. Yes, that's the first thing I did once my 2 years were up., Harley high flow, and V&H tuner and slip ons. Wasn't expecting much improvement in performance, mainly sound and looks. But what a night and day difference. The 1st time I kicked into second it was like a completely different motorcycle in terms of acceleration. And 0 to 70 was effortless and smooth whereas before the bike seemed to be "working" to get there. Best upgrade I've made so far. Thanks for a great vid.
Thanks H-D guy. Good video. I'll be doing this soon on my '19 Heritage.
I don't, and never have, owned a bike, but I flat out get a kick out of this channel. Always entertaining and who knows, videos like this just might be for future reference... Cheers from south MS.
Awesome how to on the digicals. I have the LCD Fuelpack & works great.
What a ton of knowledge..I’ve been wanting to do this for my 19 street glide. I feel a little more comfortable that I could even do this myself. What a awesome video!!! Thanks
Go for it!
Great video, I've actually just purchased a FP3 and slip-ons for my 2017 FLHXS, now just waiting for a little more extra cash, so I can go High Flow...Just recently started following your video, excellent content
Just wanted to let you know I was going to purchase Rinehart slip ons for my 2013 road king but I seen your video on the different mufflers and decided on the cobra neighborhaters. Like your videos, and your bikes, we're in Illinois and have3 Harleys and 3 triumphs. Keep up the good work
Man thanks so much for this video. I’m late to the party seeing you put this out a couple years back. Just got my first Harley, 2008 Fatboy, and want to put exhaust, high flow intake on it. I knew it would need a tune but had no clue how to do it. This helps me a lot! I’ve hit the subscribe button 👍
No problem 👍
If I buy a tuner for our 2014 FLHTCU this would be it. Great video! Happy New Year!
Great video! I've got a 2015 Ultra Limited with the liquid cooled heads. The dealer installed the orange Screaming Eagle Super Tuner Pro after pipes and a high flow intake. The tech told me my bike would be one of the last they would ever do under warranty due to the lawsuit. This was late 2015 I believe. It runs pretty good, but like yours, mine has an annoying decel pop. Great info.
After this video Vance and Hines needs to sponsor you what an awsome breakdown of every step on installing and as you say fiddling with it😀😀😀😅🤣😅😃😀love your channel and your family God bless you guys
Bro I just want to say, you seem cool as F and I watch all your videos. Love the channel and your whole vibe/energy! It's easy to like you and your values are spot on! Keep it up!
I appreciate that!
I prefer the Power Vision tuner, if you buy it from fuel moto you get map support for free so if you ever make changes they will send you updated maps for it.
Totally helpful video!…just had a stage 2 with FP4….going to try auto tune soon. Thanks so much sir.
OMG yes, just got my 14 Heritage last month and studying this one!!!!!!
Greetings Mr. Monkey. Just subbed to the channel. I was thinking of putting a PF3 on the 2011 DWG I just bought a few weeks ago. Has Vance & Hines Street sweepers on it and a K&N high flow filter and I have bad decel popping. Yours and @MotoZiggy are probably two of the best on CZcams. Keep bringing the awesome and informative videos.
Its 75 degrees there and I'm sitting up here in Canada watching and it's MINUS 43 !!!
No i,m not jealous at al !! :)
Decel pop, that's an option to use after you've tested the new map. It was the old Screamin' Eagle map that had this issue, not the new installed map.
For autotuning, you don't need to watch your phone. I recommend doing first a full tank of gas, stopping every 15-30 minutes and writing the changes made and repeat. Because there is only narrowband 02 sensors, it needs to repeat the process over and over to get it correctly. Personally I'd say spend two tanks of gas doing this, to get a really smooth map. IF you decide to use a different octane, that like a different intake or different exhaust, will not run perfect anymore with your tune...
Happy New Year! Love the videos
Happy new year!!
I agree totally on the fp3 it's easy to use, and you can do alot with it. I love mine.
Your little flash of jacket on the golf cart inspired my curiosity about this ' nameless" group you belong to,. After some fancy tech work, I found out what it is. Not going to reveal it, just wanted to give you 2 thumbs up and a pat on the back. Cheers.
Thank for all the info. Really enjoy your content.
I own a 2018 fatboy, and am waiting on an FP3 to arrive so I can get this party started.
Ride safe
Good choice!
@@ProfessionalMonkey thanks. I am just a simple person, old and slow, but every now and then….
this will be a cool thing to add, maybe I will get a little more out of her. I know with the app you can also change the throttle response. That might be fun.
Great information thanks for imparting your wisdom
I have a FP3 and frickin love it. Installed a S&S header with fatshotz muffler and SE a/c. This tuner was great. Last year, I did Andrew 57 cams. Loaded a map and ran like shit. Emailed V&H via app. Within an hour, I had a new map and frickin thing runs great. It won"t beat a dyno but hey. Still good enough for me. Thanks for the video
awesome video as always and a great topic 👍
Thanks again!
One heck of a video! Great explanation.
I have the orange racing tuner on my 07 Sportster that I recently sold. It was the only way to get the engine to run straight pipe.
The nice thing about it is that you only needed to run it on a dyno once, afterwards the ECM tuned itself.
I own a 2011 Road King Classic and installed the FP3. I installed a Cobra Power Flo air cleaner and remapped for the new air cleaner and the difference was very noticeable (seat of the pants feel). The tuner was very easy to use, and the Vance and Hines map data base is very extensive. I would recommend this tuner to anyone who wants to re-map their modified bike.
I have the FP3 on my 13 glide 103. Works great. Now I need 1 for the 19 softail
the V&H Tuner is Very Good, our Myrtle Beach Stores used it with major success, and i'll bet the Charleston and summerville stores are by now as well
About 5 months ago I got the fp3 because you said it was a good tuner I put it on my 2013 CVO Road Glide I have a 110 engine and it's been nothing but amazing I love the tuner just like with you as soon as I started the bike I could tell the difference all the problems I had with acceleration and deceleration or gone immediately I love it thank you so much for the advice
Good informative video. I like using the V&H tuner. I installed one on my "then" new 2012 FLHX & running good today. I wish I had numbers to prove the upgraded tune, but I don't. I go by feel, sound, temperature & reading my plugs. Most people that bash the FP 3 seem to be the people that tune for a living. I get it... You told it like it is. A stock engine with a stage 1 being tuned on a dyno doesn't make good sense. Note;
I have never run the autotune!
I guess that I felt good with the can map, so I didn't see a need.
Yeah, I will run it just to show those that want to, but for most setups it's not necessary in my opinion. It's great if you have an obscure pipe though.
Hey Monkey, I just found your content and enjoy the knowledge with some humor approach haha, I know it's going to help me. I own a 2020 FXFBS Fat Bob Milwaukee-Eight 114 that has been mainly stock until a few months ago. I first bought and (dealer) installed V&H Hi-flow slip ons for better sound and flow, and shortly after realized it wasn't enough for what I was looking for performance wise. A couple weeks ago I decided to purchase a V&H PCX Upsweep 2:1 and have HD Service install it along with a Stage II cam upgrade. I decided against their screaming eagle tuner and bought my own FP3 which I have been trying to auto tune myself (it's taking longer than expected). I still have the stock air intake though, as they had originally told me it was high flow and didn't need replacement. I know it is running rich because my bike is throwing a code and the tuner tells me (along with it glowing and popping flames at times at least in idle). Should I purchase a better air intake and scrap my current auto tune which is still in progress? Or just put another standard tune on it, or take it to the professionals to tune?? Thanks again for your content, I don't know much about it I'm just an enthusiast who loves to ride when I can and upgrade where I can.
Hey!!! It’s running lean, not rich. The intake is high flow so that’s fine. I think your tuner is your problem. The FP3 is good for stage 1, but not enough or at least difficult to use for stage 2 and above. I’d see if there is a professional tuner out there that uses the FP3 and see if they can work it out; or you may need to go with a better tuner. Either way having it professionally tuned is gonna fix your issue. Welcome aboard!
The orange HD race tuner is also "auto tune" worked great on my 2013 Limited.
FP3s are where it's at. Can't beat the cost and it works great on my Fat Boy Lo.
I am so glad when I get done gapping my plugs and jetting the carb. When 1965 rolled out the new Panhead with electric starter, they also began using an auto advance ignition. My cousin who first bought that 65 Electro Glide hated the auto advance. He'd wrecked his 64, so he took off the beach bars and distributer and put them on his new 65 Pan Head Electro Glide.
When I turned 16 and bought the bike, that's what I spent decades riding and wrenching on. No, to this day my bike doesn't have a button on the bars to start it. The starter is there completely unused.
Mr. Monkey, I appreciate you, your knowledge and your Lovely Ladies. But as I live and breathe, I'll never have to tune a bike with my smart? phone!
For those who bad mouth you, I'll pray they drop off the planet. I live peacefully knowing they could never kickstart my favorite bike, clutch with their foot and shift by the tank through only four gears while adjusting the timing with their left grip.
I'm stubborn, stupid and very much OLD SCHOOL!
God Love you Young Man
You are in my prayers
Hoka Hey
Thanks my friend. I am a fan of all bikes new and old. I really wish I new the older setups better but they are just before my time.
Its noteworthy to know your already owned power vision can be used with a new bike for only $199 if you switch bikes all the time like we do and can be used with all your bikes with only 1 device. I personally the power vision because I understand how to use it with the computer software (it can do auto tune also) but have also used the fp3 in the past. Great video!
Power vision is a far better option, I agree.
the Harley race tuner, was the Orange and was Race Applications only, HD took the Heat for ALL of US, cause the EPA wanted to come after the customers who were making race only bikes for the street
I have an 08 Roadglide with stage3 110 with the race turner in it bought off the floor that way up here in Canada.
Good timing on the vid bro.
My bike was sumping very badly to the point it fried my crank sensor.
So I’m getting a Daytona oil pump put in and since they’ll be in there I thought may as well hot rod that SOB. Zippers 468 cam. Lifters, oil pump, head pipes, air filter and a dyno tune.
I just had to buy a power vision license for $200 and they reflash the ECU.
Gonna be ready this week. Just in time for fkn snow and cold prolly. Been gorgeous here all week. Damn holiday got in the way of so much.
Now I can just watch vids on bike stuff..
Man.. been a bad time for pumps.
Oil pump shot in bike
Cars hpfp is on its way to taking a shit bc it’s not able to keep up with the added fueling needs of the turbo, annnnd meth pump was defective .. bad luck and bad timing
DAMN! The new build will be badass for sure. Too much motor for one of these for sure. Can it be done, yeah, but I would go the way you are.
Happy holidays
Don't stop its entertaining and informative and dude my audvox equalizer is still going the camaro not lol
Thank you for this video, I was/am currently looking at turner’s for my newly acquired 03 Softail Deuce Screaming Eagle…. OhYEA…. Fuk Anheuser ;) Pabst blue ribbon all the way
LOVE MY V&H FP3 !!😊
I had to get the TTS for my bike its a 05 dyna factory fuel injection at the moment it has S&S slip one and Arlen Ness big sucker intake next winter its getting a set of cams and hydraulic tensioners plate maybe a 95 big bore kit
this is good info i just changed the slipons with V/H free flow on my trike and getting a V/H intake and was wondering about the FP3 if i really needed it or not thanks for the answer
If you are going to change both intake and exhaust to move more air, then I would recommend a tune to compensate for the added air flow through the engine. Which tuner is the big debate. I always recommend powervision but others will say differently. Do your research, and you will find a vast majority of pro tuners also recommend powervision in thier shops. Also year of bike is important
Dude you survived Argentina well done .
looking forward to the auto tune video. I have a 2014 Hertiage couldn"t figure out where place tuner with the seat on. We need a update on the sporty chopper.
I have a 2008 and double side taped it to back fender behind seat
you may have never used thundermax tuners but very simple to use and tops fp3 and all other tuners
I've always used the FP-3 on my bikes. After my warranty is up I will probably get another one.
Good stuff
Tmax and powervision is all we use at our dealership besides the Harley street pro.
I've had great experience with the FP3 on a few previous scoots with full exhaust and air cleaner, prime example was my 15 Slim. With the m8s I'm moving towards the PV due to my cams and such, bout to retune the heritage bc the damn HD EPA tuner sucks, and I want all the horses and all the torque!!
You are better off with the powervision. 👍
Good talk!
Been watching a lot of your videos and since you’ve owned multiple Harley’s from different years I wanted to get your opinion on what is your favorite motor is as far as sound, feel, reliability and those sort of things. I’m searching high and low for a 2009 street glide in the two tone root beer paint scheme for my first Harley. I’ve found a Electra glide in that color combo over by Tampa but am not sure if the smaller frame would be a good fit for me being 6’3 or so but it’s a beautiful bike.
Rock on man great video.
Thanks, will do!
@@ProfessionalMonkey we saw you on Brys channel right after that.
We'd have stayed and hung out and I'd have gotten in line to be on but man them things start an hour after my bed time ha ha.
Harley's first fuel injected production bike was in 1995. It was an option on Road King, Ultras
Yeah but the ECM was a nightmare to tune. A buddy of mine had an injected 80 inch Ultra. It was a pain…
cool vid
thank you for talking about a " bike already has a screaming eagle tune and that stays as the base map ". My hope is that the FP3 will let me tweak until I am ready for cams and heads then I can flip back to the screaming eagle and let some boffin do the dyno stuff cos AFM maps look pretty but dont make no sense to me. Thanks again for proving old tune stays.
Great video, thanks for taking the time to make it. Does that tuner get the big jugs sauced up and flashing? If so, I'll pick one up. Wait, we're talking about bikes right?
Maybe? :)
Hi buddy. I love this channel. You are so real and genuine. I don’t know much about how the engine works but I’m trying to learn. I’ve got a 2015 Street Glide Special that I put SE high flow intake and Bassani exhaust. Should I have the bike tuned or re tuned? What will it do to the performance? Thanks
If it was a stock air cleaner before it needs to be tuned. It will need fuel added to the mix to make the bike run right.
I know this was a while ago so I hope you get it. I got a Arlen Ness intake and Vance n Hines not full pipes but the add-ons on my Heritage and it sounds great. A bike mechanic did it for me, not a dealer. Was any kind of tune up necessary. He said no so I guess your my second opinion. I love it please dont get me wrong
Hi! If your bike had a completely stock air cleaner before, and then you added the Arlen Ness high flow air cleaner you need a tune. If the bike already had a high flow air cleaner then it is fine.
@@ProfessionalMonkey Thank you sir. It was stock so I'm going to go for that tune up. I appreciate your advice. Thanks for what you do. I enjoy the hell out of it.
@@ProfessionalMonkey ok the guy that works on my bike is an old biker and I said I need a tune up , I can even tell now. I'm getting new rubber on next weekend and I said why dont I just get a tune up while I'm there. He says no I will put new plugs in and you'll be fine. So if that's the case why didn't he do it in the first place and is that all you have to do for a tune up is change a couple plugs ? I dont wanna offend if u get my drift but I do want ammo in my knowledge so I can use it carefully. I know you understand that.
Keep up the good gids
Did it stop the decel pop? That's cool that you can check your battery voltage on that app. It gets tricky when you're trying to use a multimeter to get a battery reading while riding the bike. I usually hook the alligator clips to the battery terminals then tape the multimeter to the gas tank and go for a ride.
Vance &hines use wide band sensors on thier dyno for their maps most bikes wont benefit from a auto tune session. But you can always try and see which works best for your bike
Ryan Fort nine is the single best all around motorcycle content on the you tubes, period. (No Offense to you.)
monkey man knows way more about harleys then fort nine. maybe not so much about tuners though.ha ha
That dude is so smart, I love his stuff. I've learned a ton from his channel about the physics of bikes.
Great video... :-)
Thanks for the visit
I see you. Got you Marshall.
Very informative video. Thinking of putting a D&D boarzilla exhaust on my 2010 street glide, do they have any other brands included or do they only support their own products.
I have used the V&H stuff on other peoples bikes . They seemed to work pretty good . I use the thundermax with auto tune , cuz i also change things , ALOT . The thundermax is also able to be swapped to a different bike i believe . Its not vin. Specific . Just found your channel also and like the "common sense" advice for the newbs .
When my 2014 XL1200T went out of warrantee added V&H twin slash, high flow intake and the FP3. I loved the FP3 and left it plugged in. Initially had a problem that V&H cleared up in one phone call. Loved the features of the FP3.
Now with my 2019 FXLR I have all Scremin’ Eagle upgrades including the hiflow intake, street cannons, torque cam, hiflow intake manifold, street tuner and the auto tuner with the large oxygen sensors. Got the extended warrantee with it all.
Still miss my FP3!
Dynojet power vision tuner has a self tuning mode also FYI
I have the old orange tunner any info or how to set that up? Love the vids.
I'm fairly sure that changing the decel pop in the app adds decel pop to the tune. I don't think it matters if the bike previously decel popped badly as the new map wouldn't not have had the issue as the previous tune. This is at least how it was on my 16 SGS when I changed the decel pop wheel.
I think so too. I put mine on None and it took 95% of my popping away..
Great vid. BTW they are Big Shots not Long Shots. I only know because I have them on my '14 Low Rider...and I've called the Long Shots on occasion too.
i just ordered this for my bike mine is popping like crazy it has Reinhart 4in 2-1-2 slip on with a high flow intake i hope it gets rid of the popping
Just a little info on the power commander technically u don't need to take it to a tuner. U can actually change the numbers in a given box and change the timing. As where the fp3 this can't be done. Either Vance and Hines has to send a map or u take it to a tuner also. Any map can be altered with the power commander with a laptop. Power commander and fp3 both are fantastic tuners. I chose power commander 5 because i wanted to learn how to tune my own stuff. Power commander is the cheapest way in my opinion to this. Thunder max tuners are expensive but they give the user the most accessability and completely change out the factory ECU
22:12, LOL! Not sure about the Porsche model, but my wife's Audi SQ7 3 row SUV towed a 2000 Pontiac Trans Am 6MT on a dual-axle auto transport like it wasn't even there, haha!!! Even managed to gap some guys on crotch-rockets towing the same empty trailer up Blood Mountain. Also, Ryan F9 rocks. 🤷♂😂
The wife's Q7 is the little turbo 4. It supposedly will pull over 4k pounds but I don't see me doing it!
@@ProfessionalMonkey, ours is only rated at 8,000lb(with 500hp) capacity but so is the V6-Turbo making me think it's air suspension limited... Gapped a "built" 2500 Duramax with it from a dig while I was towing an '86 300ZX Turbo on the same trailer and he was empty/no trailer... 😁😎
Totally agree with High Flo or not, enough air or not enough air. I use the Power Vision with Target tune which uses wide band 02 sensors. I believe it is as close as I can get without paying someone to dial it in with a dyno for me. Couple auto tune sessions and it runs fantastic. I bought my 2017 Ultra limited M8 107 with screaming eagle slip-ons, SE cams, SE tuner because it was under warranty. I change it immediately to Power vision, Vance and hines slip-ons, Bassani head pipe, S&S cam with the cam chest kit from S&S and it runs fantastic now. Fuck the warranty it is shit anyway. I think the most restrictive thing on the factory bike is the dam catalytic converter.
Powervision is a better tuner in my opinion. Good choice
I found my Sporty was running hot after using the premade FP4 map. Autotune brought the temps down to a more reasonable level. In my case, I think the higher elevation (CO) was to blame. Dont think V&H takes higher altitudes into account.
True, you were definitely running lean. Most canned maps are lean...
My local Harley dealer in UK says they use FP3 tuner for bikes getting stage tune ups as they can’t get SE tuner.
Have a 2001 Heritage Twin Cam 88-B. Only thing changed is Vance and Hines Longshots. Removed baffle and installed Torque Cones. Runs great. Do I need to tune it?
Can you share how you feel about external breathers to prevent crankcase oil and moisture from being pumped back into the intake?
Running cobra slip ons on an otherwise stock 107 2020 streetglide. What do you recommend for headpipes, intake and a tune? (Obviously S&S is a front runner) ... dont want to go overboard but want to bring the 107 to life a little more. I do miss the sound of my 96ci dyna...cant beat the twin cam sound imo..look forward to hearing from ya! Ride safe!
The fp3 is cool tuner the power vision can do at that as well it’s loaded with pre-loaded maps I got mine from Fuel moto anything I change I just called them up and they send a map for free but I’m not putting down the fp
Preloaded Pwervision maps leave a lot to be desired but the FuelMoto ones are good I hear.
Video starts about 16mins, this guy can waffle
Oooooooh btw if your bike becomes hard to start after you tune it, make sure you have the acr automatic compression release switch turned on. I had this issue for a year before I really started screwing with the fp3 software and discovered it was turned off
What a good app for a 2015streetglide special with slimline duels and screaming eagle slipons with no baffles and a Arlen Ness high flow intake,
For a basic tune the V&H FP3 or 4 is fine.