Natty muscle gain expectations
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- Why are comments off? scoobysworkshop... Natural muscle gain expectations Natty or not? How much muscle can you expect to gain naturally? How long will it take to look like Jeff Seid? Like Zyzz?
By the way folks, you will notice that I never made any claims about the natty-ness of anyone I showed pictures of, that is for a reason, I do not know if any of these people are natty or not. All I DO know from my experience is what percent of the male population is capable of achieving what they have achieved.
A lot of people have asked if person X is natty or person Y is natty - here is how YOU can answer your own question! Get a before and after photo, calculate the years between them, estimate the weight in each photo, and then figure out how much muscle gain per year that was. Now compare that to what my muscle gain calculator predicts. If they gained significantly more than my calculator predicts then they were most likely using steroids.
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Enough e-statting and locker room bragging. Prove that I am wrong and I will give a thousand bucks to our local no-kill animal shelter. scoobysworkshop.com/2018/09/18/20-pound-in-6-month-challenge/
shits gettin' real kiddos
no those are not realistic natty genetics it' all depends on your genetics look at Craig monson he was 250 muscled up naturally and it's alot others look at the NFL lol
@@Franckbery African genetics is what we have to say about that look at the NFL
Dude, you're almost 70... how many 70 year olds that don't shove test in their butts look like you ZERO
@@Franckbery he isn't natural. There are a lot of names you could've brought up that you might've had an arguement for but simeon panda is not one of them. As for the people saying look at "nfl players". The nfl has awful drug testing and most linebackers and running backs are on steroids (don't get angry at me just do the research yourself). Another thing you're missing is most linebackers/linemen carry over 15%. They may still have visible abs due to a good amount of muscle mass, but at this body fat percentage people look significantly bigger than people at sub-15% (again don't get mad just google it)
What I learnt from this video:
1)Less than 1%
2)This guy is being generous here
No, I am being OH-SO generous!
Nice video btw!
lmao
He’s being generous with the 1% guys
Extremely impossible without gear
You guys all seem to be mad at this because he's dashing your dreams, but i think he's just trying to lower your expectations so people dont get depressed.
+ViNcEnT RoSs These kids are going crazy in their mind because of what he said. Just look at these comments.
Dankuu O_____0
dude.all these kids claiming "I'm better looking than all those guys!" are either trolls or idiots.
Is this a steroid ad
If this vid stops the fake-natties from promising teens they can be gymshark-mode by age 20 then I will have achieved my goal!
but Scooby how else will the fake nattys sell there hyphy mud and there own brands of supliments? just kidding
Maybe fake natties should stop promising drug free lifters that they will retain muscle mass while cutting below ten percent body fat. Maybe fake natties should inform drug free lifters that they will lose their sex drive when they drop below eight percent body fat if they do not object testosterone. Just a thought?
+Derek Daniels inject
Now that's an extremely unrealistic goal, Scooby
you were very generous with the very generous lines. thank you for being very generous.
I am 320lbs before.After 2 weeks of buying 5lbs of Whey protein for 60 dollars, doing some intense cardio and super heavy workouts i lost 120 dollars.
What are the odds you'll look like Scooby by age 60? Less than 1%, and I'm being generous!
Lol!
Hes too big for 60. 15 years ago i would believe it..... maybe
Angry newbies desperately want to believe that Santa Claus is real and that you CAN gain muscle fast. Proof is in the pudding kiddos. Quit e-statting and upload videos of your rockin' natty physiques. If you think I look like shit, please watch this: czcams.com/video/3A_-3byCWXc/video.html When exactly did I use steroids?? scoobysworkshop.com/scoobys-30-years-physique-progress/
scooby1961 it's difficult to convince someone of the opposite they want to be true. It's a mature thing to look at the reality of rates of physical progress and work from there. A lot of this has to do with a lot of misinformation in the fitness media, it's been that way for a while. If a newbee sticks with it, providing they don't go to the dark side, their beliefs should align with reality. Anyway good work on your end bringing a reasonable approach to the masses.
the problem mostly comes when people's vanity is involved and they miss getting the grip of fundamentals in training. First and foremost - ENJOYMENT in every single training session. No easier way to stay motivated than that. If you don't pay attention to every single session but spend time looking in the mirror dreaming - you are not going anywhere. Chasing goals can make you easily lose sight of what's really in there for you. Did that mistake when I was younger, got frustrated from the "lack of noticable results", disregarded that I felt progressively better and better physically and it got really difficult for me to stick with training. Now my goals are to have some measure of strength and endurace I can sense in my body, and that's how I work my way through the training I do, I like variety and trying different things and exercise sets every now and then. I just taught myself to feel good about battering myself and that's how I slog.
scooby1961 your right man I've been training 40 plus years as a natural bodybuilder and all the pictures of people saying they are natural is not possible and I should know I was real skinny and went from a 35 to 45 in chest and it took years I read all the mags and only thought about training lived it before it became popular. 64 now and in great shape for my age but I see so much bullshit on CZcams it's unreal.
Muscle memory is a real thing though. Seems it doesn't take long for me to regain my peak muscle mass no matter how many years I've been lazy.
scooby1961 so if you started in the 80s explain how you can still make gains after the ten year mark if you are NATURAL? The gains are slow asf for natural after 5 years of lifting because you are close to your NATURAL GENETIC POTENTIAL! NO MAN CAN GAIN ADDITIONAL MUSCLE UNLESS UR TAKING SHIT MAYBE THESE NEWBIES DONT KNOW SO I WILL TELL EM FOR YA!
Scooby is 100% correct which is why I choose to be enhanced.
Lol
this was hard to take in but truly eye opening and motivating
So you're telling me there's a chance?
YESS!!!
But he's being generous here
@@Shoegazebasedgenre0. this made me laugh so hard
How many shots did I fire here? I lost track. Somebody has to stop these fake natties from giving poor noobs the false hope that they can look like their idols in a few years.
several lol
Hey scooby Check out my Instagram Destine_Fit been Training consistent for 3 years and i would say I'm in a pretty good Condition. I Cant speak for everyone you mentioned Here but aus for Jeff seid i have to say that Jeff physique is in my opinion very attainible. I already stood next to him and he isn't that Big :D To be honest u Look way Bigger than him. I don't Know if he's Natural but his physique is very attainible:)
All of the dislikes are people who still believe the aesthetic crew is natural lol
No. Dislikes are for bullshit. He says you cant expect to get bigger biceps in 6 months. Its unbelievable
BTW, what happened to sixpackshortcuts? Did I outlive another one? Its funny how many people have come and gone since I started a decade ago.
+scooby1961 "Hey guys, thanks for checking out my new youtube channel MIKECHANG. As you know, I'm the founder of the most subscribed fitness channel SIXPACKSHORTCUTS, however I will no longer be posting videos on that channel. In my new fitness channel, I'm really excited to be creating all new content and getting more personalized with my viewers as you will see in the upcoming videos" (Straight from Mike Chang's new channel)
+cml a l any idea what happened?
+scooby1961 looks like he sold his channel
hey Scooby welcome back good sir! The most popular natty CZcams fitness stars who give the best advice at the moment are Kinobody, Brandon Carter, and Elliott Hulse. Although Elliott Hulse has taken steroids in the past for his strongman training, he's now stopped because he didn't like the person he was becoming.
+RKZMUSIC1 If he sold the channel, only an idiot would buy it without a non-compete clause.
Brutal truths man. Instagram has given people unrealistic expectations on what they can achieve.
yep. between the fake-natties and photoshop users with hundreds of thousands of adoring fans, its no wonder people all think they are "hard gainers"
Your generosity destroy my dream
there's a 99% chance you aren't in the 1%. I'm gonna put that on a t-shirt lol
No one should rely on motivation to keep them going, there will be days when you'll have zero motivation and others when you'll feel at the top of the world.
"Motivation gets you started, discipline keeps you going" - some youtube comment I saw a while ago
If you think I look like shit, please watch this: czcams.com/video/3A_-3byCWXc/video.html
When exactly did I use steroids?? scoobysworkshop.com/scoobys-30-years-physique-progress/
scooby1961 dude i dont think your on roids but i do think you need an education cause this video is complete shit. show me your degrees
inb4 haters come! They clearly have not found this video yet!
+scooby1961 Only a matter of time...
Scooby. You are the best fitness CZcamsr in my opinion. keep up the good work and keep everyone motivated.
you're doing God's work.
well, here is a bit of hate, i used to watch you a few years back and when i opened your video by accident i got suprised how less impressive you look, i remember you being a lot bigger and leaner.
+Andreas Rasmussen and you couldn't keep that to yourself?
+scooby1961 Big fan of your channel. But I've always wondered if that was gynocomaestia ?
If I am wrong about natty muscle gain expectations, I want to know about it! Pls read this before posting YOUR muscle gain stats scoobysworkshop.com/2018/06/05/16-lbs-muscle-two-months/
scooby1961 why don't your muscles move lol
You are a big guy within 2 years my brothers arm grown 2 half inches through weighted dips and isometric and through lots of lateral raises and triceps extensions and the rings.
Great video Scooby Doo
How to get those 1% chance gains:
1. When you go to a pub, order a protein shake, not a pint of lager.
2. Don't smoke weed every day, smoke protein powder every day.
3. When a drug dealer asks you to buy pot. Ask him for pre-workout.
4. At a party, don't sniff crack, rather sniff protein powder.
replace the word protein with steroid
It just cracks me up the number of fake natties here posting telling me that I am all wrong and that people should come watch THEIR channel to get "all kindz of gains". Aaargh!
I actually did notice significant bicep growth within the span of 6 months, however I basically started at 13 inches, I'm around 16 now. It's not huge gains but it is noticable
+Mungkorn88 2k cal/day, 1g/pound of bodyweight, 3-5times/week cardio, ~65g of fat, you'll see the sixpack in 2months
+Mungkorn88 no girl thinks they're yucky. your girl doesn't want you to add value so other girls don't look at you
Adding a six pack WILL add value
So glade you made this vid brother. Its about time the youngins in my generation finally realize the truth an stop doing harmful stuff to there body's thinking there gonna look like there fav hero
This dude is too generous
Natty or Not???
half natty ;)
youtube natty!
+scooby1961 stayin' natty 4 u, Scooby
Props to you Scooba for another truthful video!
scoob, thanks fot all the great info you provide us with.
moral of the story is jump on gear
Zyzz was open about not being natural
correct!
Someone please, tell me how to start injecting and where to buy it. Lol
Thx man , I just ordered anadrol.
lol
No visible gains in 6 months sounds a bit conservative. If you are a beginner and eat clean, train correctly and get adequate rest, you can see gains much faster than that. Are you talking about advanced trainers?
This guy is very generous wow
He has been giving honest, researched, decent and free information about body building on CZcams since Aug 1, 2006
What are the chances of me watching this video until the end? Again, less than 1% and i am being OH SO GENEROUS HERE!
He's being generous
Antonio Bernal Oh so generous
So Bill Nye became a body builder after Disney channel
From when Arnold started lifting weights at 15 years old, he won the Mr Europe competition 3 years later at age 18, I know we dont all have his genetics, but don't let anyone tell you you can't make serious gains in a short time span. You can. With or without drugs
This guy is very generous..
If you can't get your biceps to look bigger after 6 months, then you're just a FAIL.
seriously ; its been only two months since i have started lifting and i already have bigger biceps to show off
In your first year of training, you can expect to gain 20-25 pounds of muscle (Noob Gains) given your training is proper and your diet is in check. The next year you can expect to gain 10-15 pounds. Then after that it gets pretty slow, and it only decreases more each year. So within your first 2 years of working out, you can roughly gain 30-35 pounds of muscle. Which is about 70-80% of your natural potential. There are your expectations. It might not seem like alot when compared with these steroid abusing bodybuilders, but just imagine you right now, with about 40 pounds added to your frame. (Accomadating bone structure change, water retention, and slight fat gain). That's pretty impressive looking in person, don't compare yourself to social media, it will ruin you. If you start right now, look back on yourself in 2 years, I guarantee you're gonna see ALL KINDZ OF GAINZ.
20-25 pounds of puremuscle in the first year is pushing it... genetically superior’s gain that much.
The average Joe with hard work can look to gain 10-15 in the first year of pure muscle.
I think you were mistaken, you can gain 20-25 pounds of muscle+ fat on a bulk.
i prefer to look "natty thin" than big muscled drug abuse guy. most people have forgotten the main goal why they workout, the main goal is to be HEALTHY...good looking body is just a GIFT, not the main goal.
it is just ridiculous to see lamborghini in outside appearance, but has yugo55 engine inside 😂
yes! Go for fit, go for healthy, the physique is the side effect.
wow. this guy completely unmotivated me to workout.
Re-examine why you are working out then!
+scooby1961 well I'm 19 years old and I workout because I wana maintain what I already have. I'm 6 foot 185 lbs and I'm in good shape. I workout because I see gains and hope to continue but your telling me that since I'm young that I won't put on muscle that I want and will stay the same ??
+Scott Webb I don't think he ever said that in this video?.. He's just telling you what to realistically expect, building muscle is an extremely slow process. I only gain about 5-7 pounds a year.
+Brodie Miller so the only point of lifting is to maintain you are saying ? like there's no ways to gain muscle mass and look the way u Wana look besides steroids ?
Scott Webb I never said that? I said i gain about 5-7 pounds a year, that's gaining not maintaining. A beginner natural weight lifter can gain about 5-10 pounds a year and eventually through hard work and dedication you can get an amazing physique if you stick with it.
back in 3hrs, biking up the mountain before the rain hits. Gosh, maybe I should cancel my ride because I heard "cardio kilz gainz!" :) Funny how steroid users are always the ones who tell us how bad cardio is.
This sort of stuff is usually for Twitter
Takes so long to earn it and just 2 weeks of not lifting to feel it starting to go away
86keen that's why you have to keep lifting just not as much, from the people that I've met when they get to their desired body they lower the lifts to 3 times a week 30-40 m not going to get bigger or stronger but you keep your shape nice and good
2.1 K fake nattys disliked this video.
i don't even make goals , i just workou as hard as i can and then with time passes i just see the progress , no goals = no disapointment
You hit the nail on the head Scoob! I gained 22lbs in 1 year & 1/2 a year. People want quick results in this society and dont realise that you need to look at the long term instead of the short term.!
Funny how much hate I have gotten on this video for daring to speak the truth
Scooby is so right here it’s unreal. People severely severely misunderstand bodybuilding. This is like trying to get a phd in one year , and rapids would be like just being Laurie Laughlin and buying your way in
The marketing people have brainwashed everyone into thinking that if they dont look like Arnold in a year, its just that they have not purchased the right "stack"
@@scooby1961 you're exactly right scooby! It's all for the money.
I wonder how much they make from the many gullible kids.
Genetics makes the difference, but everybody can get a lean and well developed body with the right diet and training!
+Stephan Deininger High Intensity Training No one says they cant...But it takes years upon years..
"REALISTIC" that got me, i was thinking to go running tomorrow and challenge bolt by next week.
well since it will not happen might as well as take a good nap.
After reading this PLEASE do not slack off thinking there is a guy like you, it happens in comment section so as Scooby says Consistent ,Realistic , TIme bounded there are a lot of healers in CZcams especially this year and no ones like Scooby.
Scooby's the best
I’m sorry, but you will see bigger biceps in the mirror after 6 months.
Right i was listening till he said that
@@skatehomecj1364 you can if you are newbie but if you are intermediate or advanced you cant see much difference
Madhu Yeah no doubt, but advanced lifters tend to already understand rates of growth.
Scooby was the first Fitness channel I started watched in high school seven years ago when I started lifting, In that seven years I've gone from very scrawny to happy with my gains and optimistic about the future. Scooby is to this day one of a very small number of "NO BS" youtubers i watch and gain inspiration from. from going from tiny to eighteen inch arms, to accepting my sexuality. Thanks Scooby.
Thanks Kylis!
This is scooby's way of calling out fake natties
+Joe Gengarelly pretty sure this actually a direct shot at ogus. as he chooses the time frame 10 years and that is the time frame that ogus is currently referencing as the time it took to build his physique and why he is natural. i believe ogus is natural.
+Joe Gengarelly He took direct shots at everyone who obviously can't get the gains they claim naturally within those time frames. They're all frauds and in the end, it's all about $$$.
Including himself. No one his age can naturally have that muscle. He takes trt, the body naturally reduces test at his age.
I doubt he does; he's built substantial mass over a 30 year lifting period, and still keeps on an intense work out and diet regimen.
While it's true test decreases with age, I'm confident that Scooby is natty and his natural gains are due to a lifetime of proper diet and weight training. Besides, he has far less reason to lie about it than the guys selling out (E.g. pretty much everyone else).
+Retrocade Podcast he admitted to it a while back. Thought his pureness could make it fly. He was getting abused and took it down.
It appears jef has 120 accounts on CZcams!
lol
we are all going to make it brahs
for me this guy is speaking real, cause i work my ass off in the gym, all about proper lifting, managing weights i can handle, stressing my muscles hard, not my ego, changing up my workouts from 3x10 to 4x3, writing down my lifts, recording my progress, eating 5-6 high quality nutritiously dense meals a day consuming 2g protein for every kg bodyweight and 4g carbs for every kg, all to gain maybe 1/4lb a week. i do not posess magic genetics, my parents are both stick thin, for me, and many others, it is something that takes real dedication.
Zyzz was not natural but who cares. Lift and use gear if you wanna look big. Lift normally and exercise if you wanna be healthy.
+phroz Lift normally and exercise to look decent, sure you wont be as big as zyzz but people will still think you look great.
+This Isn't my real name Google. zyzz wasnt big
curren phillips In your opinion, but a normal person would think he was pretty fucking huge.
***** Most people think somewhere between Brad Pitt in Troy and Zyzz is the ideal look. Zyzz look is perfectly attainable but probably not within the time frame he specifically did it. He was definitely huge compared to the large majority of the population though.
+phroz and how long would you estimate a fullnattybrah can get zyz size
So I can't look like Rich Piana in a Year?
Damn.
pretty sure it's possible to get a bigger bicep in 6 months, PRETTY SURE
my arms has grown atleast 1 inch in 6 months
Maybe Schuss that's not a lot, but it's something, still I think you can get more, especially if you're a begginer or coming back from a pause and also gain weight on these months
johnny roe "atleast" I didn't measure so it could be more, but honestly this guy is full of shit lmao. and hes a fake natty
Maybe Schuss rofl scooby dosn't admit he takes steroids? LOL
In the video I watched he said he was all natty and NEVER took roids, thats when i knew never to trust what he says
Face it guys, Scooby knows what he's talking about. The amount of over-inflated expectations people have due to these fake natties and the bros around them saying 'yeah it's easy bro you should be benching 2 plates within 6 months'. This guy's giving some true facts.
50% of this video is "less than 1 %"
I seriously thought I was looking at Bill Nye and I was like "Damn! You got jacked!"
Someone please explain the background video. Thank you
Looks like a riverside village in an east asian country
it totally is possible to see a difference in the mirror in just 6 months
i saw change in my arms and chest in my first four weeks for fuck sake
same here
I saw changes in my arms and chest within the first 10 days.
I added 100 lbs to my bench in two days
Scooby is the bill Nye of bodybuilding info lmao
When we look at ourselves in the mirror everyone thinks they are bigger than their actual size. In my gym there are so many skinny guys who walk like they have turned into Ronnie Coleman but their body is tiny in reality. They have Invisible Lat Syndrome.
This is the reason why so many people here are laughing at the 2 year progress of those guys because in their mind they think they are bigger than these guys, when in reality they are not.
If you want to remove any doubt, best would be to share your own pictures so everyone can know you are really 10x bigger than the guys sharing their hard earned 2 years progress.
This is so true, everyone thinks they're so much bigger than they really are. If you saw one of these "natural" lifters in person, you'd seen how big they actually are in comparison to you. Everyone talks a big game and has their perfect angle, perfect lighting photo, it's all smoke and mirrors. People don't want to admit it because they want to believe they will actually look like one of the steroid users one day. It won't happen unless your entire life revolves around the gym and you're at least low dosing steroids.
change title to: realistic natty gains for shitiest possible genetics
M'kay so true
Wow, there's so much salt in this comment section, Scooby.
LOL!
You can certainly get bigger biceps in 6 months naturally lmao
Tronci not significantly bigger, maybe like a cm bigger and thats assuming u do everything completely correct and eat well, and use supplements.
@@sceptral5490 yes significantly bigger. I'm 18 and haven't touched steroids in my life and I don't even take supplements apart from minerals and vitamins like zinc etc. I've been going to the gym for a year and my tris, bis and shoulders have gotten significantly bigger. It helps that they were decently sized to begin with though. I don't have a naturally skinny frame. My father was also a semi pro body builder and he's got a naturally broad frame.
@@sceptral5490 not everyone will have the same progress as you
@@sceptral5490 unless you mean only in 6 months
Tronci if what your saying is true you just managed to be that 1% this guy was talking about but for everyone else you really wont see much gains till atleast a year of training
Am I the only one here who thinks this guy is
_being generous?_
😂
let me tell u guys something, I am going to gym 5 years and in those 5 years I never ever progressed as in first year. If you start eating properly, working properly, you will get some actual visible gains. Gains that will most people you know notice and you will here comments like "damn man, you changed so much" and stuff like that. In second year you will progress, but less, alot less. Even though you are working hard, harder than last year, even if you made some changes. In third year even less. THATS realistic shit. Yeah, you are probably gaining like 5-10 lbs of muscle, but you can barely see it by yourself. Dont have that "in 5 years I am gonna be huge", cause mate, you wont. Yeah, you can look like fit, you can have muscles, but you wont be fucking jeff seid, or zyzz or calum von moger. That shit aint happening, cause you have jobs, college, school to end, we are mostly regular guys here, you wont quit all that shit to be pro fitness guy. So leave youtube, start living ur life right now and focus in more important goals instead of dreaming
+Jax Jones Well said!
+Jax Jones Well said my good fellow! ;)
Honestly, with diminishing returns, a 10 year litter and 30 year lifter are almost indistinguishable
Depends on how smart, hard, and consistent they are. I continued gains for 20 years because i made lots of mistakes
I think he's being generous here.....
the thing about people with "good genetics" is that they don't start off nearly as skinny or overweight as a lot of these "transformations." people with good genetics start off already pretty muscular. look at teenage lee priest. hes a monster and roider, but he started off way more jacked than most natties will ever end up even after years of training
Exactly what I was thinking but I didn't want it to come off as a ego driven comment.
Well i guess its time to hop on the gear boys, natural is a joke.
I don't see any problem with steroids. Neither does evolution: testosterone.
It's all about whether or not you understand what you're putting in your body.
It also helps to not go overboard. Lol
You can definitely get bigger biceps in 6 months naturally especially if you started as a small skinny guy.
you can get bigger biceps in 1 month with good genes
I guess it would, mesomorphs and even endomorphs can cut/lose weight and get that long term workout pump. Every now and then see a guy who has a natural super wide clavicle/shoulder and narrow waist. Most of 'em don't even work out. Damn genetics.
@@thom2847 I think its age. In my twenties I had pretty small gains. Im 34 and been lifting hard for a month and my kids and friends can see the difference , but for the last 5 months my job involved constant lifting for 10 hours shifts. and i did drop all my fat, i was down to 65kg. Now im 75kg, eating really well and working out. I am wide across the shoulders with a narrow waist lol, it does help.
Rhett. Age definitely, it sure helps when muscles are repairing faster and one is making lots of testosterone. I wish I knew more about diet and working out too much in the 80's, we were under the impression bodybuilders worked out like 8hrs a day and if they missed a day they made up for it the next lol.
am i the only one who thinks it is A LOT harder to eat constantly than it is to train?
+Attila Uslu I agree completely, eating clean is a lot more work than the lifting of weights because temptations to eat garbage surround us 24hrs a day.
Respect to you sir, after a few years you still reply to comments on old videos.
I do. Its much easier now that most people have forgotten about me. I like it that way :)
@@scooby1961 you mean most assholes))
For all the natty trying to get big... get strong and dont listen to steroid users on how to get big.
That's ridiculous to say your biceps won't grow after 6 months of training with noob training. That's when you biceps will grow the fastest. And when u notice the biggest differences
Yeah true. I added 5-6 cm to my arms in the first 6-7 months. After that it has slowed down shitloads.. Creatine + eating loads more.
My dad is in the 1%. He smokes. Drinks. Eats what ever the hell he wants. And his only work outs consists of yard work.
And he literally has been built like a Greek statue my entire life.
While I'm built like a Greek...guy. His genetics skipped me unfortunately.
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Jeff Seid is natty. He said it on the internet, so you know it is true. Rich Piana is also natty and vegan.
+TeamPeople top kek!
Top kek. ROFL!! I love that saying.
what did i get from this video? scooby is VERY generous
I am "OH SO" generous!
Guys don't listen my body is looking sick and I made it in 1 year naturally. You can do it!
this video makes me want to do steroids... this video demotivated me but i still wont stop
me too ive never considered steroids in my life until this video. hahaha nah never but still scooby ur shooting us all down!
+Ray Hill this tbh
Don't take steroids. Scooby is overestimating the time required and his own genetics. I've been a fan for a long time but this video turned me off. Within 3 years if you have the right diet you can make great muscle gains and then slim down for a defined physique. After that the gain gets slow, but initially it can be pretty fast
+MrIloveamerica1776 .Taylor M. May I ask where you have this knowledge from?
I think he is being very generous about 1 percent
VERY generous!
@@scooby1961 generous is an euphemism, it's impossible!!
6:37 Wow. I'm surprised he managed to find someone that looks just like him! That's incredible, actually.
Probably a 1/1,000,000 chance of happening.
And *I'm being oh so generous* with this estimate.
Thank you scooby for being generous here
VERY generous
Deadlifts, farmers walks, bench, squat, rack pulls, eat a buffet of quality whole foods, sleep. You will make ungodly gains in 2 years. You'll see I in 6 month's. Natty af
Hipster Black Metal not ungodly but 20 pounds of lean
He pretty much said that everyone on CZcams is not natural except him
Most of these guys on here with fitness channels are fake nattys... He's telling the truth.
Athlean-X is one of the rare real natties
Dude I am gonna lose it if he says “I’m being oh so generous” lmao I’m in tears
And this right here is why I shake my head every time somebody just assumes some jacked dude has to be on gear, or tells some poor kid that they won't get big within 2-3 years unless they are on something.
Scooby is assuming all these guys have to be on roids because he is comparing their transformations to his own, all the while ASSUMING that he has top 5% genetics. So of course, he assumes his genetics are top notch, so anybody who makes gains faster than him MUST be cheating right?
Well, what if Scooby has crap genetics? What if it took him 30 years to get his body because his genetics are in the bottom 50% or bottom 25%? What if this whole time, all those guys making those crazy gains in a few years are actually in the top 10% or top 25%?
And that's what I see everywhere. Whenever you ask a guy why he assumes somebody is on steroids, their answer is never based in fact, it is always something like "Anybody who has been lifting or bodybuilding for a while knows it" which translates to "I've been lifting for X years and couldn't do that so they must be cheating"
I mean, after all, who wants to admit they have crap genetics right? I bet if you ask ANY body builder, natty or otherwise what they think their genetics are, they will all say "I'm probably top 10% bruh" And how would they actually even know that? did they actually have their genetics tested? No, of course not. They just assume that because they got some decent size, they must have good genetics.
It's all assumptions based on what they want to be true.
Now I am not going to sit here and say all those guys are actually natural. I don't know. They may well all be on gear. All I am saying is that you can't know for sure based on just their size or the size they gained in X number of years. Especially since none of them were crazy huge like the IFBB pros.
When did he ever assume he had top 5% genetics? You just wrote a giant wall of text about something that literally never happened
No he didn't. In the pictures he used, he showed zyzz and jeff seid, then said that it's unrealistic to believe you can get that jacked in 2-3 years. Those dudes both have been known to use gear (especially zyzz) and the other guys are also massive and jacked as well. As a natural lifter, you can be huge, or you can be shredded. You can't be both like those guys are, (unless you are in the top 1% of elite muscle buiilders, and with a ridiculous program. If you think you can be like those guys in that amount of time or at all, you must have the genetics and program to achieve that body naturally when it is well known that zyzz didn't. I agree though that what he said about bicep gains in 6 months is definiitely incorrect, you can definitely make visible gains in your arms by 6 months of lifting.
Dudes real generous.
Those 2 year results you show is plenty.. Why would anyone expect more? Thats more gains than i made in 4 years of the Airborne Infantry.
I have been training for like 3-4 months (all natural of course) and I realized that yeah you go through a very slow process but I have definitely noticed some changes in my body, nothing crazy, but cool inprovements that I think everyone can make with hard work
Been working out 5 days a week for a month now. The physical changes are very subtle but in terms of health I feel alot better.
Nice keep going.
This comment section is triggered, god damn.
Yep, a bunch of kids who are angry because I told them that Santa Claus is not real.
Too many fake nattys in the fitness industry. Keep calling them out!
Will do!
I can't believe how generous scooby is.
You will 100℅ see bigger biceps after 6 months! Lol