Ambient Occlusion, Cloud, and Nomads - Sapiens Devlog 43
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- čas přidán 27. 01. 2020
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I've had a nice break, but it's time to get back to work and I've started adding nomadic tribes which pass through the area. I've also added Ambient Occlusion. SSAO is a nice effect which adds soft shadows around objects and helps bring the world to life. And lastly I have started experimenting with weather, and how the world changes on a cloudy/rainy day.
The music website hobby project I mentioned is noteheads.net
And the SSAO tutorial is learnopengl.com/Advanced-Ligh...
In Sapiens, evolve your primitive hunter gatherers through thousands of years of technological advancement. Feed, protect and grow your tribe, build towns and industry, and advance through the ages in this first person civilization building god game for PC. Play with your friends in co-operative or competitive multiplayer, all on a procedurally generated planet larger than Earth.
Original Sapiens Theme Music by John Konsolakis, www.johnkonsolakis.eu
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Love the extra detail the ambient occlusion adds! Cool to see how you implemented it :)
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The Ambient Occlusion really confused me.
He said you can see it really well at night but it was much easier for me to see the shadows at day time. At Night I basically saw nothing lol.
Posted this idea on the discord:
The nomads (depending on the size of the group) should carry basic survival equipment so it seems like they have actually survived out on there own.
Then bc they have stuff you can trade kill or welcome them into your tribe to get it. It would add more diversity to the way you would want to interact with the nomadic people.
Larger nomadic group should have pack animals to carry there stuff.
just an Idea.
Yep, that’s my plan. Once I have things that are more valuable that simple stone tools, and add the ability for your tribe to use animals to carry things, I’ll make it so nomads do too.
not sure how feasible this is, but it would work wonders towards making individuals seem less robotic if some basic human behaviour was added (i.e autonomous behaviour in the absence of player input). Basically, humans try to remain aware of where everyone is, and they try to huddle with their own group and avoid or hide from strangers. I imagine that some simple proximity awareness and algorithmic behaviour would give hilarious results and would make you feel much more affection for the characters.
Saw this idea
It’s cool that’s it will be added
Apart from things they may also carry information about interesting locations to give you goals for your own exploration.
A much more realistic way of multiselect would be to use markings.
For example with the apple farm, you mark the area of the trees with four poles, and then you can change the name of that area to "apple farm", afterward you task people to pick up apples at apple farm, instead of "these 44 selected apple trees".
I think this is the most natural way to do it in terms of realism, maybe you even can put a fence between the poles?
Thx for reading have a great day :)
this is a great idea. The four marker system can make gameplay a lot easier as your tribes get more technologically advanced and you have to start managing large systems. His current multi select tool is good, I just worry it doesn't come off as visually appealing or functional
I believe you could do a sort of convex hull selection area, or something like a free select/lasso tool in image editing software, in order to create more organically shaped selections.
@@ryann7760 Agreed. You shouldn't be limited to 4 markers
Like a lasso tool woth fences would be amazing
I think if you have a circle that expands as you hold the button that would be a great selector
I just wanted to say that you've solely re-ignited my love for game engine development.
Keep up the great work by the way!
Big love from straya 😉
Wow, that's amazing, and great to hear! We need more developers making their own engines!
Haha same story for me! ^^
I'd like to submit what i think is a decent idea :
You should maybe add a system to make your own tribe's banner, or symbol of a sort, so... like a little banner creator with some geometrical shapes and stuff so you can kind of connect with your tribe a bit more I guess, and also a autogenerated system for other tribes maybe aswell..Or just have one symbol to represent a "stranger" tribe that is not yours. Also if you do add this, please, i beg you, let us build like a little decorational banner in our village. :D
EDIT: Also fences and walls to wall off our villages !
Dang. Weather, nomads, and multiselect. Thanks for reading the comments Dave!
P.S. The soft edges and Oclusion do wonders for the look of the game. Very impressed
Super interesting, as always. Do you think adding some variation to the grass colour might be interesting? cause during a sun lit midday, the grass looks a bit flat. Then again, that is sort of the style.
I hope you hear my suggestion out, you're doing splendid by the way. It would be really interesting if the sapiens had two main resources when it came to food. One would be farming. Depending on the seasons, the area and luck the sapiens could sustain their population by relying mostly on it, meaning that would be the time where they can focus more on expanding their settlement. The other would be hunting and gathering. When the conditions aren't so favourable, they would have to organize hunting/gathering expeditionary groups so that they can at least get their basic life needs. This would mean less resources are allocated to the expansion of the tribe. For seasons like winter I believe it would be best if the sapiens had to rely on stored food, as hunting/gathering would be harder, riskier and less rewarding. I feel this will add a sense of danger to the game and goes along greatly with the mechanic of seasons plus it will be a great factor in diversifying playthroughs. The main thing this will provide is a sense of difficulty and survival, a struggle to keep the settlement healthy and constantly expanding. Thanks for reading this, it's greatly appreciated and I wish you great success in this project of yours!
So far so good. I'm looking forward to seeing how you implement Water, and a water cycle. I recommend building a fluid engine so that later after you make water, mountains glaciers, snow, river, lakes, swamps, bogs, seas then oceans. You will be able to use your fluid engine to create other kind of liquids like oils, tar, lava, mud ect. Perhaps even none realistic fluids for your game if decide to move in that direction.
That would all be really cool... and would probably kill the FPS... And take a ton of work. This developer is smart though, perhaps he can find some cool workarounds and cheaty ways to do some of this.
I think this is a great idea to implement: The more sapiens walk on the same path the more that path is clear and it is starting to look like a road, and they prefer using these roads because they move faster.
Ambient occlusion is such a subtle effect but adds so much to the final image.
"I have full control of the AO" 😍😍😍
Zoom out of us as a simulation,
Dave sits at his desk, frail and old.
he smiles at his marvelous creation.
Really missing some tree billboards on the distance, maybe even imprint a darker green to represent trees on the ground.
Agreed
For selecting multiple trees, you could have two options for harvesting. Harvest one tree or harvest all. If you select harvest all, the sapien will harvest all the trees in a certain radius of the one you selected
You could add in a sort of shift+click to select multiple things of the same type, or a shift+scroll wheel to progressively add or remove items at an increasing/decreasing distance from the first selected item. you could also have a bind that swaps the camera to a top-down mode that has click+drag controls.
In any case there are many ways to go about solving the multi-select issue and I'm looking forward to how you implement things!
About the multi-select. A suggestion would be to highlight one specific object, then drag the slider so that it only selects objects of the same type in around it (perhaps in an increasing radius). You mentioned being able to "get all the apples" if we're in a forest and I suppose something like this would solve it.
Just a fan request here: think you can show us a bit more on your pathfinding algo? 😀
I have to assume your eating but I didn't see any food emojis. 🥧🌮🌭🍟🍪🍩🍨🍧
Perlin Noise --> globe with moving cloudareas where per chance rain will come to deserts like 1-5 % and like else where 50%. moving clouds and when they are crowded make your actual cloudiness behind those. when it will rain they will get darker, also snow :)
The moment you slapped up that cloud level, I very suddenly became extremely excited for this game. Already it looks damn sexy, I love the particular level o minimalism to the look.
I imagine that this game will have some similarities with spore? as in the tribal, cities, and space ages. Also, an interesting concept is to be able to play as a tribal chief or city mayor especially in the early stages. Its incredible to see how this game unfolds as it is developed :)
One way to maybe solve the selection issue is to have a key that freezes your screen and unbinds your cursor from the x and y movement of your screen to allow for box selection? I could see someone positioning their camera/screen over an orchard, hitting the key, and then with a frozen screen dragging a box over specific trees.
For selecting several objects at once you could make a top-down viewer with the selected object in the middle and you could draw a line around it with your mouse on said viewer. That would look both cool and be useful as you would have full control on what to select.
You're doing great, Dave. Can't wait til the game is finished. It looks very fun and relaxing :) Also, I love these devlogs. So relaxing, too. You've got a very calm and peaceful vibe
You could totally shock your audience. Make the grass blue, and the sky pink-- and say the Sapiens can cross over into a dream version of the world.. and then..... syke! The game is still just a colony builder. Click bait. Keep up the good work Dave.. :) Love the vids.
Nomads would be a great way to add some trading in to the game
Give the player tribe the opportunity to trade for items that they're short on, or perhaps even things that arent naturally occurring in their area. That would be pretty realistic as well. Items made in ancient britain were found in far off cultures like Egypt, being bounced from group to group.
A remote chance to find something unique on a travelling nomads would be very interesting, although I imagine that's content for the future.
So many good things here. It's enjoyable watching someone so skilled work. Thanks for sharing.
Always an inspiration. I felt a little sad about those people with no bed but very happy for Lili. Excellent job.
Great job Dave! I love the mood the game gets with the cloud cover. It's amazing how little changes like weather can really immerse you in games. Can't wait for rain, lighting, thunder, hurricanes?.. :P
Keep it up!
As a side note: are you on Instagram with these Devlogs? Thanks,
you could leave the multi select as it is. However, instead of having to select one and then set how many, highlight multiple entities even when hovering.
Maybe hold down a key to activate box selection. Alt? You could also multi select by shift clicking. Just some thoughts. Looking good :)
Nice, a new video
Been watching this since it was a low poly planet with no gameplay, now it's realy starting to take shape.
Love your devlogs, it's so inspiring to see how much you've accomplished!
For the "box select" I think lots of rts games also use a double click thing which will select all of the same items within your screen view. That could be a good alternative as well.
When you mentioned the two guys growing old and that being the end of the game, i started thinking about an end-of-game mechanic where you would get a timeline with achievements (or events) that occurred through the gameplay, its similar to Spore, if you are familiar with that.
thats to say if you are thinking of taking the game in that kind of direction, a "history of your people" kind of gameplay.
In any case I am looking forward to see where you end up taking the game, and I gotta say every new video gets me more and more excited, and in a new way almost every time ;) keep it up
Multi select solution could be double clicking for all onscreen items of same type, Ctrl select to cumulative selection and Ctrl double click select can select all objects of same type within a certain radius. This will be future proof if at any point you intend to do a fast paced tactical combat system.
This NEEDS more attention!
Happy 2020 - can't wait to see even more!
About selecting many of the same thing, you could do that if you double click a tree, it selects all near by trees of the same sort :-)
Love these updates!
Suggestion for the multi-select. What if you take advantage of the scroll wheel? Lets say you click on a tree to open up the Wheel menu and you scroll up, any other trees in the area could also be highlighted and be Queued for the same job you wanted originally. If you scroll down while multiple are highlighted, maybe it can lessen the number of jobs you want in the queue
The ambient occlusion could be added to the clouds (If you had some day time billowy clouds) That would be a cool detail with what I assume would be less additional work.
Glad to see the game really come together more
Nice project. Keep up the great work
Man, these updates keep making me feel inspired to make a game, without fail. I'm pretty excited for the weather system, though. I really like rain so I hope this game has some really nice atmosphere, which it's looking to have, float above my people, give them some orders and turn on some lofi. Can't wait to see where it goes!
Looking great.
Would be cool if the tribe had reasons to travel and expand beyond just-because.
Ancient ruins for example.
Or iron ore deposits
I love how the clouds look!
OK... i keep getting this now on my feed... so im starting to fall in love with it... YOU BEST NOT SCREW THIS UP.... my tiny heart couldnt take it
Amazing work! Keep it up. Can't wait to play the Bromance Campaign. Stay positive and motivated!
Man you pumpin it out! Good stuff 🤛😊🙌🙌
Being able to play in first person as a leader of one the Tribes might be interesting
The scala of the multi-item-select, if it stays, would probably work better with a kind of exponential (or at least square) curve instead of the linear slider :)
Good evening :)
Hope your holiday was great and welcome back :D
Website is super cool. Thanks.
At 12:49, I do think it looks more foggy than cloudy. The "gradation" effect for distant objects just seems more foggy than cloudy oriented.
you are very smart i cant wait to play your game full on!
About your multi select: In the game age of empires, you can double click an object and it will select that object and all other objects of the same type in a certain radius (I think all in the viewport). I think you should consider this or something similar.
You could do multiselect akin to Cities Skylines district drawing, but the brush is attached to the center of the screen, rather than the cursor, pretty much paint the terrain region where you want to select stuff
Super inspiring!
Unity implements AO in a couple of ways, the SSAO that you just hit a toggle and have like 3 or 4 settings like you mentioned, and the PBR AO that is a part of the rendering shader (a AO map per object), and you can write your own shaders to do what ever you want.
Awesome game BTW, I love that type of stuff and it's extremely lacking, can't wait to play it.
Game looks great! Been following for awhile now
Nice, can't wait to be able to play this.
Why not have the multi select be a radius from the original selected object. You then increase the radius to select similar objects. Love your consept. Keep working hard. ;)
Noteheads looks really cool!
Maybe you could add a farm region of sorts? The ability to label certain tress as part of their harvest and have an option to “harvest all trees”
Noteheads is awesome! I was wondering if there was a tool out there that would let you hear what sheet music sounds like and let you test your own live.
Looking great! I'm really impressed with you engine. An idea for the "multi-tree select" might be to use a Blender-like "select more/less polygons" feature. You select one try and then click a button to select more until you have all the objects you're after. In most cases I imagine people will just mash the "more button" until the whole patch of trees is selected but it still leaves some control.
Love how this is going, one of the best series on CZcams! :D Just a quick question, are you done with the model of the huts? It might just be me but I feel like it looks as if the roofs are floating a bit too much, Im not an expert but maybe a additional building piece in a triangular shape could be used to fill in that gap, or maybe just a wall of wicker fencing to make it look like the roof is being held up by something. A couple of other ideas; maybe some more threats to the tribe, eg plagues, thunderstorms, wild dog/ animal attacks, Wildfires. Would be cool to see clans evolve and develop religions, clanleaders. Maybe even developing carts and using horses and yaks as transport. Maybe you could get the option to run a nomadic tribe. Regardless, keep up the great work! Looking forward to the next vid :D
nice vid, cant wait
Looking good
Regarding multi-select. I'd definitively look at Warcraft 3 for this. It had no queue, but workers would continue the same action (mine gold, chop trees,...) until no resources of that type was found nearby.
I think a similar effect would be good? You task them to gather X amounts of apples or for a set amount of time, or until no more apple trees found in that area etc.? Or until night
An idea i got while watching, could you make the sapiens turning there head a bit/ disconekting it from the body.
Whyle walking it seems a bit unnatural for them to keep theyr head so strait.
Maybe you could put a select all which you select all off the same in a certain radius of each other
I cool Idea I had was that you can play as one of the sapiens in first or third person and you can control the one that you are playing on
maybe some sort of brush selection for resource gathering? or multiple selection options?
I can't imagine making a game in that scale
How involved do you want the player to be in the world, because how much do you want the player to be immersed. If the player is disconnected to the world It won't appear alive. Interested to see what direction you take this concept.
You could make it so it selects all elements of the same type nearby when you double click an object. The ambient occlusion is looking great btw.
I think box-select could totaly be an option. Imagine to have to hold a key, shift for example, to enable a cursor you can use to select things
With multi select how about a circle that expands across the floor as you increase the size of the slider and it selects everything inside of it.
Nice
how about for the multi select click on the icon you want and drag while holding the click, can solve this with nice ui to match
Select multiple things with shift+click and once everything is selected you do the action
My main suggestion for this game would be to make forests larger and denser. The current forest look is really unrealistic for the time period. If you think about it, at the time when this game starts, all forests would be old growth, with many very large and old trees, and a densely covered forest floor. The current size and spacing of trees makes the game feel as if the trees are maybe 100 years old at the most, and I think that really overhauling the forests (though likely somewhat hurting performance) would add an intense feeling of wonder to the world, and make exploration and settlement all that more exciting.
Also, for the multi-select, maybe it could be a toggle button. Then, if it's on, and you select an option, instead of queuing an order, it allows you to simply click on everything you want to select, and then confirm. or maybe you could even keep the slider as a base, but then modify it manually if you want. This could make it easier to multi-select objects of different types too, if you want to perform the same action on them. Just a thought.
This is probably a far thought in development. But have you thought of a time element to the game?. Like the game having its own internal way of tracking your playthroughs and major events. With different eras marked ?.
Please add Malerei more dense forests it looks a bit strange with very spaced out trees but so far so good well done
Suggestion:
You should make the sapiens only grow when they sleep I think it'd look more natural
you've got to do thick fog! think of it rolling in on a drizzly morning!
Didn't you show a multiselect method before where you clicked and dragged to change the size of the selector?
8:33 make a possibility to create groups so an orchard group etc and an idea make it possible to create a sort of schedule for the days to automate because in larger tribes I would be come harder and harder to control the tribe
Maybe as you advance, you'll get access to more complex tribe management sort of like in Banished
I think the shadows could use some smoothing and stuff, what do you think?
In some earlier videos you said that the engine is in c++ and the game is in lua. Is there any chance for you to open source the c++ part? From what you said the engine is quite versatile and can easily used for other games.
If I create music on your website can I save the music to Mp3 files and use them in my videos???
Of course yep! All of the samples that I used were either public domain or recorded by me, and any music you create is yours. You can also export MIDI files.
@@majicDave okay will midi files work with CZcams videos?
Midi files I think are more like 'what notes when' not raw sound.
how about for multimarking get a bird-view mode for the time of selecting stuff where you can mark things with a rectacle.
8:56 how abt u have an option like a checkbox to multi select and when the player holds their left mouse button and drags it around the screen it selects the object and then u can unselect with a right-click or something
I just watched your 50th devlog videos this morning, and was thinking about the shadows while watching them, and now stumbled across this video. What I was thinking about was that the daylight shadows are very sharp. Yet there's a very computationally inexpensive way of calculating soft shadows (sort of. It's not super physically realistic but it looks good) using raymarching techniques. I have no idea what your rendering engine's core algorithms are, but in case it helps, here's an article on doing soft shadowing in ray marching: iquilezles.org/www/articles/rmshadows/rmshadows.htm
Fuck yes
So you have been working on the engine a whole lot, which of course is important. However, I wonder how far in development the actual gameplay is? It seems like there is basically nothing to do currently...
The noteheads site is super awesome! But the midi downloading doesn't seem to work