This fight was a testament to the true greatness of one Floyd Mayweather Jr. He moved up a weight class and fought the #1 guy in the division and thoroughly outboxed him for the MAJORITY of the fight, with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF. The same type of injury that made Vitali Klitchsko QUIT when he fought Chris Byrd. Truly inspirational performance by the greatest boxer of our generation.
@joshvn715 Beautifully put! Couldn't have said it better. It's truly the evolution of Floyd Mayweather. His technical brilliance is under-looked by most. Great analysis!
7-4 going into the 12th round for Floyd Mayweather. Castillo was already winning round 10. The point deduction just solidified it. Round 11 was the best round but Mayweather threw and landed more combinations.
@Mikelovision Yes. Instead of dancing along the outside and using feints to cover the distance. Floyd became grounded in and rolling his artful defense into the heart of Castillo loosened stance which was just loosened and opened enough to have Floyd become May. And he seized it, Castillo was helpless in 10 and May learned that they were too desperate to beat him- so bring it right to them :) Round 10 was where hope became perfection, one of May most intuitive and technical rounds.
i just finished the fight mr judge. and as somebody who is in the know. whats your take when judges have complete opposite cards? the foreigner had it 116 to 111 for castillo the other 2 had it 115 to 111 (note american judges are know to sell out) ALOT!!! so how can they see complete opposite fights?
I am a fan...of boxing. What I find even more humorous is the fact that even if you think Castillo won this fight, Floyd took the 2nd fight imediately afterwards. No in between fights. He clearly won the 2nd fight but no one talks about it. Have you ever asked yourself that? Why is that? It's almost as if the 2nd fight never took place. That's because some people refuse to give the man the credit he deserves. Floyd is not my favorite fighter..never was, but I acknowledge his greatness.
Nobody talks about the second Floyd vs Castillo fight because the outcome was the CORRECT one.Nobody disputes Floyd won in that bout. But in their first bout, Castillo won that bout and the wrong guy was awarded the decision and that's why everybody talks about their first controversial bout instead of the second one.
@Mikelovision Yes. Round 10 was Mayweather's! Round 10 was introduction of Mayweather into the Modern May. Round 10 was the Memory Gospel like it was in the movie Ali versus Liston. Instead of using that Mayweather stance along the out with fist and arm across the diaphragm into the raised clenched elbow- tightly weaving combos and stunning blows - he went into Castillo shoulders. Despite Jose' tight form he keeps his arms loose to feed a steady diet stiff shots and counters.
@bustlee What rounds did he take, because he lost 1-5 and got a point deducted in 8 so that's 6 rounds out of a 12 round fight so even if he takes every other round the best he could hope for is a draw...
What people need to understand is that all those low blows that Castillo was throwing may not be illegal because they're belt line and not below the belt, but if Castillo is throwing all of those waistline shots, it's harder for the judges to see if they aren't facing that side, so if he had jabbed more like Floyd did he may have had a better shot. That's why Floyd won because he was landing more jabs and not swinging so wildly.
Ive been telling you how Castillo beat Mayweather. Mayweather retreated for most of the fight and rarely let his hands go after the fourth. Castillo was working the body pretty good and landing hard left hooks from time to time on Mayweathers face. Castillo was the effective aggressor in the fight, not Mayweather. Mayweather may of blocked a lot of punches but Castillo was still landing and out working him in the close rounds. Castillo effectiveness in his attack won 8 rounds on my card.
@spinika7: Tell me precisely when it was that Castillo "backed off" because I looked for it and didn't see it. Perhaps you can cite the five-second period that Mayweather did go forward . Otherwise, it was Castillo making the fight and Mayweather, to paraphrase Marvelous Marvin Hagler, running around "like a little girl." Okay, maybe not that bad but he wasn't scoring too effectively while slipping and moving.
@TSFCEntertainment Yeah, I'm excited for the Cotto fight; before Pac everyone wanted this fight. But I'm kind of thinking Mayweather's banking on the fact that Cotto might be a little mentally different with some losses under his belt but I'm still excited. But I think he moves less not due specifically to his age but he fights heavier now and also I think he's honed his game a lot to less jabs, less outer movement (except with Hatton), and even tighter D with more lead rights and hooks.
Huge 11th round for Floyd, Staying inside and picking his shots brilliantly, beautiful to watch. Harold Letterman was right about Floyd fighting Castillo's fight but Floyd out fought him in that eleventh round. Floyd won this fight, it was tough and competitive but Floyd won. Jose Luis Castillo did a great job keeping Floyd in one spot for a while but Floyd adjusted. 6 months later in the same calender year Floyd dominated him in the rematch.
Agreed they are seperate fights. However particular fans bring up the 1st Castillo fight. They typically bring it up as a style that if applied can produce a win. They ignore the fact that Floyd's performance may have been hampered by a shoulder injury. So if they're agrument is Castillo's style presents problems for Floyd, it is best not to mention the rematch. That is the particular angle at which "most" fans who don't like Floyd approach the Castillo fights.
Watch from round 10 at 2:00 in the vid.... to the end of round 10 that is MoneyMay. So calmed, technical, and stunning. Perfect counters that HBO missed at 2:55 At least... and maybe sports can be Drake song, because now they know
@TSFCEntertainment I think everyone's tried that. Floyd's acknowledged that every opponent he's had up to about Mosley/Ortiz has figured his body is his weakness and hasn't been able to do anything significant yet.
@IronMaiden666notb I agree. I'd like to see them bring back 15 rounds and see if he can run for all that time. It changed boxing when they cut down the rounds- for the worse.
Round 9 was Mayweather. Castillo tried to brawl and get rough and tough, but once again, Floyd is the one landing effectively and cleanly. Through 9 rounds, I have it 7-2 for Floyd.
@spinika7: I agree w/all your points here, although I had Castillo winning it. Very close fight though. Regarding your remark about how Castillo "backed off," even if he did step back for a few seconds as you indicated, that's not exactly a moment of triumph for FMJ, who did some business in there, sure, but it wasn't all that convincing to me. I give him credit though, he stepped up in weight and fought a tough, hard-hitting quality fighter. Made for an interesting fight...and a good one.
IMO, In regards to the type of style you need to beat Floyd..I agree that Aggressiveness alone like in the Castillo bout won't do the job. You need more than just aggressiveness. You also need speed aswell as mental focus. A combination of those things with a good jab is essential. Two things you don't do is try to out box floyd or stand in front of him letting him get into his rhythm...so aggression,speed,timing and mental focus to last the 12 rounds.
Floyd was tearing his ass up on the inside in round 11. With a torn rotator cuff I clearly had Floyd winning this fight. He won the first 5 rounds and Castillo possibly won 5 rounds for the entire fight. Aggression don't mean shit if you aren't landing anything effective and Castillo wasn't landing effective blows.
non-boxers should quit the terrible commentary. i'm a boxer and floyd definitely won this. he slipped and rolled so many punches he was absolutely dominating castillo in technique. floyd is a defensive boxer so what looks to you like him running away is him keeping the ideal distance to slip, roll, counter and weave the wild powerful swings castillo throws. not to mention castillo got totally outboxed! like seriously what fight are people watching???
I feel, Floyd pretty much boxed the same way in both fights. I felt Floyd was actually landing harder punches on Castillo in the 1st fight. You can almost compare that between the two fights, a lot of the same rounds were won and lost. Majority of the press row had FMJ winnining, including the Associated Press, which had Mayweather winning, 115-111, and the New York Daily News scorecard also had Mayweather winning, 116-112. At the time ESPN’s Max Kellerman disputed Lederman's scoring.
@JNIEKDAM 1:00 left in round 10 you see Castillo throwing punches while holding Floyd and hitting him on the back, the ref doesn't say shit to Jose and you say that the ref and the judges are biased towards Mayweather?
@TSFCEntertainment But, yes he is older and u still have a point with his age and his mobility, but I love his style now even more than his earlier fights. He seems even more accurate and better at timing than ever. But that could be because he fights really who he chooses more than ever. I just hope he fights Pac before age does catch up more evidently to the point where we can safely say their age is showing.
@JMDinamitaMarquez You're right bro. I love Marquez too though, he's the best combination boxer in the game I think. Vs PAC, he threw combos PAC wouldn't even dream up in his wildest fantasies
the problem with judges as well as fans is that alot of factors come into play when your scoring a fight that doesnt get acknowledged or recognized properly: punch accuracy, punch power, defense, movement, pressure and ring general-ship!/ you dont score a fight based on popularity or whos style looks better/
@albybabeee the same haroldlederman who gave castillo the round in which the had a point deducted ,the same harold lederman who scored the 10th round 10:8 for castillo when castillo didn't even throw a punch until the final minute most of which came from behind. with that being said i'm failing to see your point. that's the same harold lederman who stated after 2 rounds that cotto is too big and powerful for pacquaio lol
I think this fight should have been rule a draw. But, Floyd learned some lessons in this fight: 1. He needed to develop his inside fighting skills more. 2. He cant use his legs at much @ higher weight classes, he'll get walked down. 3. Use the pull-counter more to keep the fight in the center and get the points up (power shots). 4. Never go into a fight less than 100% again
Exactly. No one seems to pay attention to the fact that the referee wasnt letting Mayweather do what he does, that holding off and creating space with his elbow isnt illegal as long as he doesnt throw a punch while holding or push Castillo off balance. He let Castillo punch Floyd along the back, which is illegal, and alot of other stuff on top of Floyd struggling with that damaged rotator cuff. I think the judges scored the fight against Castillo due to the referee and Castillo's dirty fighting.
In regards to who won. I have no problem with saying Castillo won. The point is it was a close fight and I don't have a problem with Floyd getting the win...there have been way worse decisions. My only point is when I see debates about Floyd vs Jose the entire saga should be discussed, particularly if those arguing are trying to portray Castillo as the better man in the ring.
Funny how Castillo's corner looks over at Floyds corner as if to say why wasnt a point deducted from him for punching after the bell yet JLC did it all through the fight
Mayweather won the 11th round. He wins the first minute then loses the next 53 seconds, but just look at the stretch he has from 7:02 (the right uppercut). It's the best stretch for either fighter for the whole fight.
That's ONE reason but the main reason is because Floyd won..and won convincingly. The whole "ignoring" the 2nd fight is to do just that...ignore it. It's also ignored because it lends credence to the fact Floyd had a damaged shoulder the 1st fight. No excuses but Floyd fought that fight injured and pulled out a victory. They ignored the injury and he himself wanted a clear victory and took the 2nd fight imediately. No one gives him credit for that...so they ignore the 2nd fight.
4:32 LMFAO...I think Mayweather its time for a shower lol.. Mayweather JR''whoah,, that's too much water!' Roder M: snaps "goddam it,, always put too much water'
Fair enough. I think it's close, and respect your opinion. But I don't quite agree with the "you have to beat the champion" thing - I think if you won, then you won.
Round 10 = was a 9-9 round. Round 11 = Castillo got in some GOOD body punches! But for the most part, he was missing most punches. Mayweather stood toe to toe. I give round 11 to Mayweather, for the clean effective punches and effective aggression, as well as ring generalship.
Bias feelings and emotions aside, I don't have a problem stating that Castillo won the first bout because he did..lets be honest. Castillo was the aggressor and Floyd didn't have control of the fight in the second half of the bout. His shoulder injury had a hand in it but Castillo's style was also giving him fits. This is not about Floyd...CounterPunchers always have trouble with aggressive,pressure,volume fighters.The only problem w/Castillo is that he's a slow fighter.
@Chuckylee How can it be 1 or 2 rounds? It's either one or the other. Dominated huh? You obviously aren't biased your wallpaper doesn't prove that. What rounds did you give Castillo? Once or twice with a clean hard shot? You're right, those body shots didn't land :-/ lol . You're right this fight wasn't close, Roger thought so to so he didn't tell Floyd he HAD to close this fight out. I'm assuming that means you're ahead on the cards just box lol. Thanks for being unbiased LoL!
Brilliant 11th round from Mayweather though it was VERY CLOSE.. Razor thin. Had the 10th round a 9-9 round because I thought Floyd won it in spite of the point deduction. Castillo fought well but I think he just came up short.
Round 11 to Castillo. Landed some beautiful body shots and snapped Mayweather's head with punishing hooks. Mayweather had some flurries, but the overall punces were in Castillo's favor. Through 11 rounds, 7-3-1 for Mayweather.
@bustlee Castillo isn't old he took a lot of punishment. Look at his fights with Corrales You guys forget Mayweather came into this fight with a hurt shoulder, That makes a really big difference, especially when the referee isn't letting you fight the way you want to fight. Also that doesn't answer my question, Mayweather immediately gave him a rematch why? because he was confident he could beat him. Why didn't pacquiao give JMM an immediate rematch?
From 6:56 onwards- the Ref and everyone THEN learns May extended elbow comes to the fighters that illegally lean or lay their weight over Floyd whom they just can't bring themselves to hit. Now they know while Floyd stands there calmly attacking and accurately countering :) There is no cleaner and more technical boxing out there.
There were no controversies in the rematch which is why ppl don't bring it up.Floyd won the rematch convincingly by putting on a boxing clinic and proved to be the better fighter that night.Good for him and well done,nobody is ignoring or taking that away from him(atleast not I) But that has nothing to do with their first fight- they're two separate bouts! Floyd lost in the first fight whether it was because of his shoulder injury or whatever the case may be,he still lost in a very close fight.
haha well thanks, I love Money MAyweather and I have noticed how classy he actually is in the ring and has always been. That out of the ring shit is for show and he has always been a fair sport inside the ring by never looking to retaliate on his opponents not named Ortiz when they roughhouse him. And the fact that Castillo was a god of war and had an iron chin.
OH! I was WRONG!! 1POINT OFF... I have NEVER seen this fight before.. And it was a FIGHT!!! Floyd was getting ROUGHED UP & the pace was hotter than we have seen him like.. He got heart though & a good temperment in there bless.. NOT an easy man to get the best of at all...
people are constantly saying Floyd runs...and based on that statement I know not to even debate boxing...any boxing match with you. This sport is a "science" dude.
@FvckHaters So roy jones can move up to heavy weight, Hopkins can move up to heavy weight, Pac can move up to WW, Floyd can move up to light middle weight, mosley can move up to light middle weight...but the moment Marquez moves up to WW and fight Floyd its a big issue...now had marquez beat floyd...would they have said oh it doesnt count marquez is a light weight??
I don't know how anyone could think Floyd was losing the 10th round before the point deduction. I noticed Lampley didn't even call all the punches Floyd was landing on Castillo in the 10th round.
I don’t like Floyd but I did notice that he got a point tooken do it should have been 9 to 9 like they did when Castillo got a point tooken I still think Castillo won because he’s the champ and it was a very close fight and the champ gets the benefit of the doubt
@username7212345 dude ur siding with a guy who says liston and patterson werent great and that ali only knocked out one good champ (Foreman) and that ali and robinson were both dinosaurs and floyd is better than both ali and robinson.. ur really gonna side with that guy?
At 2:59 Floyd lands a powerful left hook and the commentators say nothing. This is why ppl have a favorable perception for Castillo. Merchant Foreman and lamply are talkin commentin more on Castillo activity.
the way Mayweather fought that 11th round was sooooo incredible!
This fight was a testament to the true greatness of one Floyd Mayweather Jr. He moved up a weight class and fought the #1 guy in the division and thoroughly outboxed him for the MAJORITY of the fight, with a TORN ROTATOR CUFF. The same type of injury that made Vitali Klitchsko QUIT when he fought Chris Byrd.
Truly inspirational performance by the greatest boxer of our generation.
@joshvn715 Beautifully put! Couldn't have said it better. It's truly the evolution of Floyd Mayweather. His technical brilliance is under-looked by most. Great analysis!
7-4 going into the 12th round for Floyd Mayweather. Castillo was already winning round 10. The point deduction just solidified it. Round 11 was the best round but Mayweather threw and landed more combinations.
@Mikelovision Yes. Instead of dancing along the outside and using feints to cover the distance. Floyd became grounded in and rolling his artful defense into the heart of Castillo loosened stance which was just loosened and opened enough to have Floyd become May. And he seized it, Castillo was helpless in 10 and May learned that they were too desperate to beat him- so bring it right to them :)
Round 10 was where hope became perfection, one of May most intuitive and technical rounds.
Best fight i ever seen Floyd in hands-down.
Awesome round by both fighters.....
Castillo was so great at cutting off the ring. It's something many fighters cant do today.
What fight was ledermen watching for 8 rds.
Lol Roger Mayweather complaining about the water was priceless 'what with the goddamn water, you always putting the water on him goddamn it!'
@3232rams um the standard boxing ring are as followes, 20ft x 20ft, 22ft x 22ft, and 24ft x 24ft. i don't know where that 16 came from, WWE?
i just finished the fight mr judge. and as somebody who is in the know. whats your take when judges have complete opposite cards? the foreigner had it 116 to 111 for castillo the other 2 had it 115 to 111 (note american judges are know to sell out) ALOT!!! so how can they see complete opposite fights?
it's about landing the more powerful and effective punches, and imposing your style of fight on the other fighter, which castillo did.
how come lederman scored it differently?
i love roger" put some more water is this god damn cup man" 4:42
he finally did........brilliant fight
I am a fan...of boxing. What I find even more humorous is the fact that even if you think Castillo won this fight, Floyd took the 2nd fight imediately afterwards. No in between fights. He clearly won the 2nd fight but no one talks about it. Have you ever asked yourself that? Why is that? It's almost as if the 2nd fight never took place. That's because some people refuse to give the man the credit he deserves. Floyd is not my favorite fighter..never was, but I acknowledge his greatness.
Nobody talks about the second Floyd vs Castillo fight because the outcome was the CORRECT one.Nobody disputes Floyd won in that bout. But in their first bout, Castillo won that bout and the wrong guy was awarded the decision and that's why everybody talks about their first controversial bout instead of the second one.
beautiful uppercuts to the body and head by castillo. every time mayweather show his shoulder roll stance, castillo double the left uppercut.
@Mikelovision Yes. Round 10 was Mayweather's! Round 10 was introduction of Mayweather into the Modern May. Round 10 was the Memory Gospel like it was in the movie Ali versus Liston.
Instead of using that Mayweather stance along the out with fist and arm across the diaphragm into the raised clenched elbow- tightly weaving combos and stunning blows
- he went into Castillo shoulders. Despite Jose' tight form he keeps his arms loose to feed a steady diet stiff shots and counters.
this was an undercard fight... they should make undercards more like this today.
good fight !
@bustlee What rounds did he take, because he lost 1-5 and got a point deducted in 8 so that's 6 rounds out of a 12 round fight so even if he takes every other round the best he could hope for is a draw...
What people need to understand is that all those low blows that Castillo was throwing may not be illegal because they're belt line and not below the belt, but if Castillo is throwing all of those waistline shots, it's harder for the judges to see if they aren't facing that side, so if he had jabbed more like Floyd did he may have had a better shot. That's why Floyd won because he was landing more jabs and not swinging so wildly.
Floyd blocked most of those body shot attempts by Castillo in that 11th round. I think he won this fight clearly.
@PhoenixEdwards Agreed!
Ive been telling you how Castillo beat Mayweather. Mayweather retreated for most of the fight and rarely let his hands go after the fourth. Castillo was working the body pretty good and landing hard left hooks from time to time on Mayweathers face. Castillo was the effective aggressor in the fight, not Mayweather. Mayweather may of blocked a lot of punches but Castillo was still landing and out working him in the close rounds. Castillo effectiveness in his attack won 8 rounds on my card.
@spinika7: Tell me precisely when it was that Castillo "backed off" because I looked for it and didn't see it. Perhaps you can cite the five-second period that Mayweather did go forward . Otherwise, it was Castillo making the fight and Mayweather, to paraphrase Marvelous Marvin Hagler, running around "like a little girl." Okay, maybe not that bad but he wasn't scoring too effectively while slipping and moving.
Let me ask you a question. Did Floyd run in this fight.
Yes, you know everything. Do you know how I know? You told everybody.
@TSFCEntertainment Yeah, I'm excited for the Cotto fight; before Pac everyone wanted this fight. But I'm kind of thinking Mayweather's banking on the fact that Cotto might be a little mentally different with some losses under his belt but I'm still excited. But I think he moves less not due specifically to his age but he fights heavier now and also I think he's honed his game a lot to less jabs, less outer movement (except with Hatton), and even tighter D with more lead rights and hooks.
At the end of round eleven I had Castillo ahead 107 to 103. Haven't watched R12 yet.
Huge 11th round for Floyd, Staying inside and picking his shots brilliantly, beautiful to watch. Harold Letterman was right about Floyd fighting Castillo's fight but Floyd out fought him in that eleventh round. Floyd won this fight, it was tough and competitive but Floyd won. Jose Luis Castillo did a great job keeping Floyd in one spot for a while but Floyd adjusted. 6 months later in the same calender year Floyd dominated him in the rematch.
Round 11 was the best round of this fight
Agreed they are seperate fights. However particular fans bring up the 1st Castillo fight. They typically bring it up as a style that if applied can produce a win. They ignore the fact that Floyd's performance may have been hampered by a shoulder injury. So if they're agrument is Castillo's style presents problems for Floyd, it is best not to mention the rematch. That is the particular angle at which "most" fans who don't like Floyd approach the Castillo fights.
Watch from round 10 at 2:00 in the vid.... to the end of round 10 that is MoneyMay. So calmed, technical, and stunning. Perfect counters that HBO missed at 2:55
At least... and maybe sports can be Drake song, because now they know
@TSFCEntertainment I think everyone's tried that. Floyd's acknowledged that every opponent he's had up to about Mosley/Ortiz has figured his body is his weakness and hasn't been able to do anything significant yet.
@IronMaiden666notb I agree. I'd like to see them bring back 15 rounds and see if he can run for all that time. It changed boxing when they cut down the rounds- for the worse.
@KillaL0 Yeah, with the right judges you can make anything!
Round 9 was Mayweather. Castillo tried to brawl and get rough and tough, but once again, Floyd is the one landing effectively and cleanly. Through 9 rounds, I have it 7-2 for Floyd.
If you say Floyd Mayweather lost the 10th round,you want him to lose!
@Mr9mm4u i dont know what you where discusing. i just said the right height of the fighters.
LMFAO @the water incident
@spinika7: I agree w/all your points here, although I had Castillo winning it. Very close fight though. Regarding your remark about how Castillo "backed off," even if he did step back for a few seconds as you indicated, that's not exactly a moment of triumph for FMJ, who did some business in there, sure, but it wasn't all that convincing to me. I give him credit though, he stepped up in weight and fought a tough, hard-hitting quality fighter. Made for an interesting fight...and a good one.
IMO, In regards to the type of style you need to beat Floyd..I agree that Aggressiveness alone like in the Castillo bout won't do the job. You need more than just aggressiveness. You also need speed aswell as mental focus. A combination of those things with a good jab is essential. Two things you don't do is try to out box floyd or stand in front of him letting him get into his rhythm...so aggression,speed,timing and mental focus to last the 12 rounds.
Floyd was tearing his ass up on the inside in round 11. With a torn rotator cuff I clearly had Floyd winning this fight. He won the first 5 rounds and Castillo possibly won 5 rounds for the entire fight. Aggression don't mean shit if you aren't landing anything effective and Castillo wasn't landing effective blows.
non-boxers should quit the terrible commentary. i'm a boxer and floyd definitely won this. he slipped and rolled so many punches he was absolutely dominating castillo in technique. floyd is a defensive boxer so what looks to you like him running away is him keeping the ideal distance to slip, roll, counter and weave the wild powerful swings castillo throws. not to mention castillo got totally outboxed! like seriously what fight are people watching???
Totally agree. I felt Letterman was giving Castillo rounds just for being busy even although a lot of his punches weren't landing clean.
He landed 100 more shots
I feel, Floyd pretty much boxed the same way in both fights. I felt Floyd was actually landing harder punches on Castillo in the 1st fight. You can almost compare that between the two fights, a lot of the same rounds were won and lost. Majority of the press row had FMJ winnining, including the Associated Press, which had Mayweather winning, 115-111, and the New York Daily News scorecard also had Mayweather winning, 116-112. At the time ESPN’s Max Kellerman disputed Lederman's scoring.
@JNIEKDAM 1:00 left in round 10 you see Castillo throwing punches while holding Floyd and hitting him on the back, the ref doesn't say shit to Jose and you say that the ref and the judges are biased towards Mayweather?
@TSFCEntertainment But, yes he is older and u still have a point with his age and his mobility, but I love his style now even more than his earlier fights. He seems even more accurate and better at timing than ever. But that could be because he fights really who he chooses more than ever. I just hope he fights Pac before age does catch up more evidently to the point where we can safely say their age is showing.
Round 10: 10-8, Castillo (2-point round b/c of the deduction on Mayweather)
Round 11: 10-9, Mayweather (but extremely close)
Fight through 11: 105-103, Castillo
@JMDinamitaMarquez You're right bro. I love Marquez too though, he's the best combination boxer in the game I think. Vs PAC, he threw combos PAC wouldn't even dream up in his wildest fantasies
Round 10 was a 9-9 round. Round 11 was a 10-9 round for Floyd.
the problem with judges as well as fans is that alot of factors come into play when your scoring a fight that doesnt get acknowledged or recognized properly: punch accuracy, punch power, defense, movement, pressure and ring general-ship!/ you dont score a fight based on popularity or whos style looks better/
@albybabeee the same haroldlederman who gave castillo the round in which the had a point deducted ,the same harold lederman who scored the 10th round 10:8 for castillo when castillo didn't even throw a punch until the final minute most of which came from behind. with that being said i'm failing to see your point. that's the same harold lederman who stated after 2 rounds that cotto is too big and powerful for pacquaio lol
"I know your hand hurtin... Fuck your hand!" hahahaha
This was daylight robbery! True boxing fans have this as a Castillo win.
I think this fight should have been rule a draw. But, Floyd learned some lessons in this fight: 1. He needed to develop his inside fighting skills more. 2. He cant use his legs at much @ higher weight classes, he'll get walked down. 3. Use the pull-counter more to keep the fight in the center and get the points up (power shots). 4. Never go into a fight less than 100% again
@jose2007cc lol did you forgot that his shoulder was all effed up? The rematch wasn't even close.
@lionzion22 Yea me too. All I saw was Castillo missing.
i think a lot of people who watched this fight think castillo landed more punches than he actually did, Including the commentators.
If anyone was street fighting, it was Mayweather. He was elbowing, grappling, and pushing off, as he usually does.
@13red06 that's what happens when crudeness meets sophistication
Exactly. No one seems to pay attention to the fact that the referee wasnt letting Mayweather do what he does, that holding off and creating space with his elbow isnt illegal as long as he doesnt throw a punch while holding or push Castillo off balance. He let Castillo punch Floyd along the back, which is illegal, and alot of other stuff on top of Floyd struggling with that damaged rotator cuff. I think the judges scored the fight against Castillo due to the referee and Castillo's dirty fighting.
In regards to who won. I have no problem with saying Castillo won. The point is it was a close fight and I don't have a problem with Floyd getting the win...there have been way worse decisions. My only point is when I see debates about Floyd vs Jose the entire saga should be discussed, particularly if those arguing are trying to portray Castillo as the better man in the ring.
Funny how Castillo's corner looks over at Floyds corner as if to say why wasnt a point deducted from him for punching after the bell yet JLC did it all through the fight
Mayweather won the 11th round. He wins the first minute then loses the next 53 seconds, but just look at the stretch he has from 7:02 (the right uppercut). It's the best stretch for either fighter for the whole fight.
THE REFEREE SAVED MAYWEAHTER'S CLEAN REC.
That's ONE reason but the main reason is because Floyd won..and won convincingly. The whole "ignoring" the 2nd fight is to do just that...ignore it. It's also ignored because it lends credence to the fact Floyd had a damaged shoulder the 1st fight. No excuses but Floyd fought that fight injured and pulled out a victory. They ignored the injury and he himself wanted a clear victory and took the 2nd fight imediately. No one gives him credit for that...so they ignore the 2nd fight.
hahahaha @ 4:42 "aye, that's too much water!"
he was pouring that shit on his head for like 6 seconds.haha
@LAMEXAME Agreed... mayweather did very little offense in this fight... You must take it to the champion if you want to win...
4:32 LMFAO...I think Mayweather its time for a shower lol..
Mayweather JR''whoah,, that's too much water!'
Roder M: snaps
"goddam it,, always put too much water'
Well actually foreman said he walked into it but he be landed punches that the commentators overlook
Fair enough. I think it's close, and respect your opinion. But I don't quite agree with the "you have to beat the champion" thing - I think if you won, then you won.
Round 10 = was a 9-9 round. Round 11 = Castillo got in some GOOD body punches! But for the most part, he was missing most punches. Mayweather stood toe to toe. I give round 11 to Mayweather, for the clean effective punches and effective aggression, as well as ring generalship.
@CarnardP i dont think he won both times...especially 1st one...
Bias feelings and emotions aside, I don't have a problem stating that Castillo won the first bout because he did..lets be honest. Castillo was the aggressor and Floyd didn't have control of the fight in the second half of the bout. His shoulder injury had a hand in it but Castillo's style was also giving him fits. This is not about Floyd...CounterPunchers always have trouble with aggressive,pressure,volume fighters.The only problem w/Castillo is that he's a slow fighter.
@Chuckylee How can it be 1 or 2 rounds? It's either one or the other. Dominated huh? You obviously aren't biased your wallpaper doesn't prove that. What rounds did you give Castillo? Once or twice with a clean hard shot? You're right, those body shots didn't land :-/ lol . You're right this fight wasn't close, Roger thought so to so he didn't tell Floyd he HAD to close this fight out. I'm assuming that means you're ahead on the cards just box lol. Thanks for being unbiased LoL!
Brilliant 11th round from Mayweather though it was VERY CLOSE.. Razor thin. Had the 10th round a 9-9 round because I thought Floyd won it in spite of the point deduction. Castillo fought well but I think he just came up short.
Round 11 to Castillo. Landed some beautiful body shots and snapped Mayweather's head with punishing hooks. Mayweather had some flurries, but the overall punces were in Castillo's favor. Through 11 rounds, 7-3-1 for Mayweather.
lederman smoked the biggest rock of his life the way he scored this fight.
@bustlee
Castillo isn't old he took a lot of punishment. Look at his fights with Corrales
You guys forget Mayweather came into this fight with a hurt shoulder, That makes a really big difference, especially when the referee isn't letting you fight the way you want to fight.
Also that doesn't answer my question, Mayweather immediately gave him a rematch why? because he was confident he could beat him. Why didn't pacquiao give JMM an immediate rematch?
very impressive for castillos stamina, considering he dehydrates him selfs to blow up in weight.
round 11 is VERY tough to score
From 6:56 onwards- the Ref and everyone THEN learns May extended elbow comes to the fighters that illegally lean or lay their weight over Floyd whom they just can't bring themselves to hit. Now they know while Floyd stands there calmly attacking and accurately countering :)
There is no cleaner and more technical boxing out there.
Someone please tell me how the 10th round was a 10-8 round for Castillo? The shit makes no sense. 9-9 round.
After 10 rounds I have it all tied up, 4 rounds to Mayweather, 4 to Castillo, and the 2 point deduction rounds were ties in my opinion.
There were no controversies in the rematch which is why ppl don't bring it up.Floyd won the rematch convincingly by putting on a boxing clinic and proved to be the better fighter that night.Good for him and well done,nobody is ignoring or taking that away from him(atleast not I)
But that has nothing to do with their first fight- they're two separate bouts!
Floyd lost in the first fight whether it was because of his shoulder injury or whatever the case may be,he still lost in a very close fight.
haha well thanks, I love Money MAyweather and I have noticed how classy he actually is in the ring and has always been. That out of the ring shit is for show and he has always been a fair sport inside the ring by never looking to retaliate on his opponents not named Ortiz when they roughhouse him. And the fact that Castillo was a god of war and had an iron chin.
OH! I was WRONG!! 1POINT OFF... I have NEVER seen this fight before.. And it was a FIGHT!!! Floyd was getting ROUGHED UP & the pace was hotter than we have seen him like.. He got heart though & a good temperment in there bless.. NOT an easy man to get the best of at all...
3:46 elbow?
people are constantly saying Floyd runs...and based on that statement I know not to even debate boxing...any boxing match with you. This sport is a "science" dude.
@FvckHaters So roy jones can move up to heavy weight, Hopkins can move up to heavy weight, Pac can move up to WW, Floyd can move up to light middle weight, mosley can move up to light middle weight...but the moment Marquez moves up to WW and fight Floyd its a big issue...now had marquez beat floyd...would they have said oh it doesnt count marquez is a light weight??
I don't know how anyone could think Floyd was losing the 10th round before the point deduction. I noticed Lampley didn't even call all the punches Floyd was landing on Castillo in the 10th round.
I don’t like Floyd but I did notice that he got a point tooken do it should have been 9 to 9 like they did when Castillo got a point tooken I still think Castillo won because he’s the champ and it was a very close fight and the champ gets the benefit of the doubt
AGREE'D
@username7212345 dude ur siding with a guy who says liston and patterson werent great and that ali only knocked out one good champ (Foreman) and that ali and robinson were both dinosaurs and floyd is better than both ali and robinson.. ur really gonna side with that guy?
that 11th round was classic phonebooth fighting
A point should've been taken at the end of the 9th. Had Castillo stood in the center of the ring for an extra second, the ref would've taken it.
At 2:59 Floyd lands a powerful left hook and the commentators say nothing. This is why ppl have a favorable perception for Castillo. Merchant Foreman and lamply are talkin commentin more on Castillo activity.