Why cheating is allowed on game shows
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2023
- A lot of today’s contests are edited and rigged. But it wasn’t always that way.
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Today’s game shows, whether they’re Mr. Beast on CZcams or Storage Wars on cable, often feature sensationalistic editing, recreations, and straight-up fixing. But it wasn’t always that way. As the above video shows, game shows in America have gone from unregulated, to a Federally regulated activity, and back to unregulated once again.
The Quiz Show scandals of the 1950s set in motion a new law that enforced rules for games of skill. But, as the above video shows, changing media consumption habits and expectations have made game shows a wild west once again.
Further Reading:
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You can check out the original Time Magazine profile of Charles van Doren and his family - central figures in the quiz show scandals.
On a few different platforms, you can watch the episode of Twenty One where Herb Stempel lost.
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Read George Brietigam’s paper about the FCC enforcement today.
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A major problem with the "everyone knows" attitude which I haven't seen addressed: it functionally means that we don't get to have real game shows. Producers are heavily disincentivized to make them, and even if they did, there's really know way for us to spot the diamond among the glass.
This is very true, sometimes companies actually want regulations like this because it puts them all on the same playing field by law instead of racing to the bottom through underhanded hyper-competition.
the squid games game show is not rigged at all. it's actually blatantly obvious because the characters we're supposed to care for/root against get eliminated basically right away and stuff done to build suspense dies out cause the competitors who gained the advantage get eliminated before they can use it. Totally pointless.
You should hate mrbeast ok?
*no way
But you're absolutely right.
@@GodlikeIridium ok
Fascinating and truly high quality journalism. With his huge army of followers, calling out Mr Beast is not a zero risk game, good on you Vox.
Does anyone believe Mr Beast content isn't bogus?
@@barrishautomotive I mean in an interview mr. beast basically said he wants to make the best yt videos and has no limits. so why would faking it all and a script not be something he would do. The real question is, is the money real? but on the other hand his videos are quite entertaining especially the video in question here. Eventho staged its still peak yt entertainment.
@@zhye5588 I think the most important question, if you genuinely want to judge his character, is on his charity work. I don't give 2 shites if someone actually turned out 5th or they didn't really use the "most dangerous trap in the world" if the next video was on how he built 100 wells in Africa. He's not putting in any clear work in deceiving his audience if he were. If someone actually ended up in 4th instead of 3rd in a game and there's someone here crying, they must be such a tragic human being.
And probably nothing gonna change or happen
I’m a MrBeast follower, but yeah, this is not okay for him to do
I gotta disagree with the guy, I think people are completely clueless to what's real on TV, I know I am. There's also a lot of ground between lets say 'producers mildly influencing a competition' and 'completely rigged, everyone's an actor'. And even if you know something is heavily scripted and edited, you're still going to be affected by what you see.
I just want to know how real Nathan For You and The Rehearsal are. The only times I’ve wanted to believe “reality tv” was real
@@MrJoosebawkz I've watched the Rehearsal and while the first episode seemed kinda real the rest didn't feel genuine to me. And I do wonder if they'd really dare to make a mock visit to someone's apartment and candidly film it like that. Sounds very risky from a legal point of view.
My brother has a friend in San Jose who was on American Idol. He was eliminated after a producer told him his story wasn’t as sellable as other contestants.
Wild
I believe it. Every episode there’s some sad story they push.
That is why George Santos could win congress election. He made up a great story
Was he eliminated or was he simply not cast? I understand not wanting to cast a person who is not interesting to the audience. After all the participants have been selected though, then they should compete fairly.
tbh I wouldn’t even consider that cheating. There was really no indication ever that the first round of open auditions wasn’t completely arbitrary. If you’re saying this person was eliminated during the actual contest with public voting then yeah that’s blatant cheating
I would be a little careful with the "everybody knows"... especially when we are talking about Mr.Beast's target audience
they made that clear with the zoomed in comments that are seemingly believing his videos
It's just enternaiment, not sure if it matters
Yeah, that was my first thought. I guarantee you a large portion of the (predominantly) children that watch his videos think that they're seeing real stuff.
Critical (digital) literacy is really going downhill nowadays
@@Andreas0047 Not really, kids are just getting easier access to the internet. They'll grow
My best guess as to why Mr. Beast allowed him to cheat was because they already spent large sums of money on the challenges further ahead would have gone to waste. I probably would have considered a re-casting or maybe just a retake but they decided not to.
The Mr. Beast contestants aren't cheating, they're actors. It's just WWE styled as a game show.
@@27pattywhack2 Exactly, Mr. Beast is primarily about entertaining content rather than any kind of realism. His productions are portraying a game show and massaging or outright scripting the results so the viewers are entertained. Reality TV shows have been doing this for over 20 years now, so it isn't really that new of a concept. The only reason television game shows don't do it (or at least as obviously) is because of the scandals in the 60s and 70s the video is addressing.
@@QuintusAntonious Only reason *Network TV shows don't do it. Cable & streaming don't have to follow FCC rules
@@QuintusAntonious Well then he should show a disclaimer.
Most of that in that game show are content creators. All of those are paid actors.
I haven’t watch it because I just think. It is another scripted show like most youtubers do.
It's worth noting the changes that a show like Survivor made after the lawsuit. From my understanding, there is a CBS Standards and Practices person on set at all times to ensure fairness for contestants, especially during challenges. Jeff Probst has talked about it in some interviews.
I think they mostly follow it, but remember the season where the Military Veteran who was terrible at the strategic and social game found 3 idols in a row to save him, was allowed to play an idol in a way which had never been done before and was saved by a final 4 twist that never existed before?
So you are saying a company, in who's interest it is to rig a show for more views...pinky promised that they not gonna? lol
They more likely just tightened the NDA's so contestants won't be able to sue/leak. If anything, even if show wasn't rigged, lack of made-up accusations from some disgruntled contestants proves it even better
lol ive had people try to argue that survivor is real.... yeah bro 100%
@@777Mikos How exactly does that work? Regardless of what they rig, the only people who would be interested in seeing it are people who watch the show. So how does rigging anything result in more views?
@@DavidKen878rigging the show -> more interesting events -> better clips to share/audience recommendations -> more views
its not hard
I don't get why the FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over cable tv. Cable is considered just another medium for broadcast in Germany.
My guess is outdated laws
My best guess is that the FCC doesnt see cable tv as a public medium, because you have to pay to view the cable tv service 99% of time in the US. Sinxe these services are managed by the cable tv company (private company who has invested money), its not viewed as a public medium/utility/service.
Tldr: politics (maybe)
@@RUCER3AlHm but you need to pay for the internet
Well we all fund German tv with our tax so they have to be accountable to us.
@@dekev7503 That only goes for public broadcast, not private tv.
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apparently when stempel gives the wrong answer ("marty"), the answer was actually one of his favourite movies and he was pained to forgo delivering a slam dunkaroo. he had a small taste of the fame van doren was to enjoy, as the show gave him a shorter-lived winning streak before van doren's. iirc, they basically made up the backstory they gave about him whole cloth; really he was just a broke undergrad
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“Quiz Show” is such an underrated movie on this topic
Certified Fresh
I thought it would be one of the first comments, it’s a classic 90’s movie.
I'm still unclear as to why cheating is allowed on game shows
It isn't. Congress made it law back in the 50s.
@@DavidKen878the full answer is it isn't, but that doesn't stop shady people from being shady, and none shadier than Hollywood execs. Well, some of the shadiest, at least.
Yeah they stratey way off the question. But the answer seemed that it was "because its in the internet and no one cares to do something about it". Seems the only ones that cared are the FCC, but with free aired content...
Because corporations avoid regulation/investigation by settling out of court, avoiding the FCCs jurisdiction by keeping it on cable/internet sources and/or by using the same defense as Fox News in court..."No sane person would believe this is really fair."
Because the genre of 'game show' died along with broadcast television itself. Only for game shows to be revived in the age of streaming services, cable television, and the internet-- all platforms the FCC does not regulate. This video's conclusion was just not very clearly stated.
I was a contestant on Fear Factor (Season 6) and there were a few things that, while not scripted, weren't the first take.
Examples?
Tell us
So there were two main ones that happened that altered the outcomes of challenges.
1) In the first challenge, there was something that happened accidentally that would have given one of the contestant pairs an advantage. Producers were going to let it slide, since it just happened naturally, but other people on set didn't get the memo, so they had already started to reset the challenge for that pair. So what you see in the show is an edit of the pair's two attempts at the challenge.
2) The second challenge had two parts: eating "food" and then shooting a bow and arrow (depending on if you finished your food or not) with the worst shot sending that contestant pair home. Before starting the bow and arrow portion, we were told that if the arrow didn't hit the target (basically a big paper on a haybale), we would be allowed to reshoot (so all contestants knew this going in). The final contestant pair to shoot hit what looked like the very bottom of the target. But when producers went to look, they ruled that it had just missed the target and was just in the haybale, so they gave that pair the chance to shoot again. On the second shot, the arrow hit close to bulls-eye, giving that team the win.
At least the networks say "portions of the show that do not affect the outcome have been edited". What they do not say is the contestants do not recieve their winnings until the show is broadcast and sometimes they never do.
You didn't talk about how part of the punishment for the network was that they would have to broadcast the presidential debate. The Nixon Kennedy debate looked eerily similar to the Stemple VanDoren competition.
"Everyone knows what's on the Internet is usually not real."
Where has this guy been for the past decade?!?
Lawyer moment
Vox in their way to dethrone coffee zilla on detective skills🔍
they went for the biggest fish in the ocean
Lol no
Vox is a media corp, Coffeezilla is one person
It's weird how Coffee spent weeks to months investigating Logan Paul's NFT scam, yet inexplicably failed to look up how to pronounce "Eddie Ibanez"
It's "eee-BAN-yezz," not "EYE-banezz." His video even had a clip of a TV program where the host said the guy's name *correctly.*.
Like, imagine a French news channel reporting on the trial of "Same Bonkman-Frayed."
I love the way Vox explain things and presents them.
ookk
the bla bla bla bla bla for a 60 word conclusion just to get that ad revenue? They would take half a year to explain why your phone has a display, and they went to the year 800 BC to do it.
Game theory jeopardy.
The best source for certain history.
I like how u said things and not facts
I always knew Mr.Beast is largely faking his videos to make them more spectacular. You can see that in a lot of shots on more spectacle-driven videos.
There’s a movie about the game show scandal called Quiz Show. Really good movie.
I remember watching this video and i noticed in the beginning of the video there was a mistake and you can see the laser hit the guys leg pretty obviously, I later watched the video again with a friend to show them and it was edited out. you can prob find the unedited version on some peoples reaction to the original video.
Yeah, but did you notice that in this video the whole argument is that FCC does nothing and is useless - is made by a lawyer who is against FCC and stronger regulations.
Did you notice that he lied about internet and cable being out of FCC jurisdiction?
Let’s be quite clear. It’s illegal in the United States to rig a game show. Technically this would only apply to shows like the price is right or wheel of fortune for example. Shows like survivor and American idol skirt that line between reality and game show
Next: why lying is allowed on Fox "News"
Their lawyers testified in court that it is entertainment and is so ridiculous, "no reasonable person would believe it to be news," and won. For some reason, fans of the show thought THAT was a lie and the show was real.
Hi Vox! I summarized this for a school assignment! Thank you for making quality content!
try using your own ideas for school assignments
@@EpicChicken8You're not their teacher
@@EpicChicken8 I didn't make the assignment
@@EpicChicken8c'mon man, they're a student, not writing a book. calm down
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Imagine justifying someone promote something as real but in reality its staged and rigged just because he do charity and "want to make it look as entertaining as possible so thats make it okay". You can admire someone but dont worship them, when they do something wrong, say it as it is. Mr Beast clearly has built a real cult personality seing all the comment here.
What is this statement
Totally agree, just be honest. There’s no need to lie about it, just say it’s set up or things are adjusted for better content, that doesn’t make him a horrible person. It’s just ridiculous that people think good actions can negate bad ones. It’s also normal to question if he’s always being honest with donations now that you know he’s lying in other areas and unwilling to own up to it.
@@mareksicinski3726exactly what it’s is exposing his cult of kids
It's also possible that Mr Beast's shows are legit but they reshoot certain things for the audience. Kind of like how in Survivor when a contestant finds a hidden immunity idol without a camera present, they then rehide the idol in the same place and find it again with a camera present just for narrative reasons.
You must be a kid bc only kids love him like u
Honestly I think this is the most likely scenario.
@@kushking949Insightful.
Mr beast lived long enough to see himself become the villain
He was always just making whatever video gets clicks. In the early days he was just a teenager with a smartphone but now he runs a studio.
Light on 'game', heavy on 'show'.
Lol, please tell the last one to my family who send me countless reels of things that "totally happened"
I’d never thought that MrBeast would appear on a Vox video
The journalism we need
Really insightful video as always.
Would love to see an equivalent on NFT’s and high profile footballers in light of recent news on Ronaldo being sued for $1B.
We cannot assume the world is full of rational people; quite the opposite
Rationalism is actually just choosing to be consciously reductionist...
Vox Back to back days? 🍿🔥
What could help is adding a disclaimer that it's entertainment only and not based on skills or luck.
Vox is a humble lightbulb in the vast sea of blinding media. Thank you for consistently expressing a factual form of journalism. We love you ❤
The call back to the sponsor was hilarious
Funny how I was just catching up on videos on Phil's own channel, then a Vox video pops up and happens to be one of his.
I'm so behind I need to find his channel
woah... i didnt realize that-
I know before I graduated high school we had watched some movie about fixing of quiz shows and I graduated in 93 the movie quiz show came out with John tutorial after that what was the movie prior to that?
I even doubted why he (Mr. Beast) did not live stream being buried for 7 days on twitch or CZcams like he has done 24 hours challenges previously in front of live online audience.
The man was struggling and probably didn't want to have to add to anything else he'd have to stop the stream for and turn back on and etc such as using the restroom or other various things. Kinda weird logistically lol.
Does yield the same quality results
I don’t know why the need to prove? He is not doing something for Guinness book of world records. A lot of youtubers are doing this. People hating just for the sake of hating or just mad that most youtube contents are scripted.
Just treat it like watching a marvel movie. You came for the story on how he will spend 7 days buried. I’m even watching a show “how I survived 1000 days in nuclear war.
You should be more concerned if News is faking a story on what is happening on israel and palestine.
FOR REAL! That¨dangerous trap¨ video was an enormous joke.
When a youtube clip has a sponsor, there are clear requirements that you have to announce it and this is obeyed by youtubers. It is no stretch to think that a regulation requiring videos that are showing a contest with a skill based outcome when they are staged for drama, that the uploader should need to say so in the preroll.
Are those legal requirements, or just CZcams's policy?
@@The_Invisible_Hand they are legal regulations afaik
@@DemoEvolvedGaming as I understand it, they are legal requirements in some places (such as the UK), but I don't think it's a legal requirement in the US. That might have changed? idk, I think I saw a Tom Scott video about it a couple years ago.
@@reaganharder1480i believe CZcams videos by US creators have to follow FTC guidelines (and not FCC) for disclosure of sponsors. Though I've never heard of enforcement from them ofc.
0:25 The contestant’s name is Mack, not Zack. He’s a CZcamsr too!
man this was an eye opener
Also repeat players is annoying. There doesn’t seem to be a random selection of participants and one guy said to the other contestants that lost that he will see them back home
I think he also built two wells in the same place in Africa as there’s a sign with the same name.
0:25 his name is Mack not Zack lol
Thank You Vox !!
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Thanks for useful and valuable video as always ❤❤❤
Great video, thanks
im not sure what you mean by the bit in 0:23 about the bag and shoes, the shoes are on the left and the bag is on the right and then the camera looks to the right so you see the bag and not the shoes.. his legs being in a different position is weird though
The first ad that popped while I was watching this was for Survivor's new season on Paramount plus.
I love designing and creating new game shows.
Jimmy beast will be speaking about this somewhere I’m sure
Phil consistently making the best conent on vox
Have to admit, I believed professional wrestling was real, well into my twenties
No offense but bruh how?? I knew by watching it once when I was 12
My mom and her friend thought it was real up until they were almost 40 lol
The physicality is definitely real and wrestlers do get injured both during practice and matches, but just like the Rocky and Creed movies, the outcome is predetermined.
@@johnmacdonald7372because of the "professional" tag. we don't call actors professionals, but athletes.
I mean wwe is a performance. Real wrestling like the Olympics is about actual skills to defeat your opponent. Same with ufc.
Great for editors to learn from
Wow. Thank you so much for this kind quality content ❤❤
Great video :)
Another aspect of Mr Beast's video that isn't often mentioned is that the contestant in the video is Airrack's video editor.
At least Van Doren wasn't instructed to listen for coughs
It's so over for Mister beast
You can also see the laser hit the guys leg before he dives in to the exit
To be honest, even children know no one is going to put their lives in danger for a game show.
I remember watching the movie about this, the Geratol thing
"Everyone knows what's on the internet is usually not real". First day here?
Did the people who scored clash of clans do the music for this video?
Worth noting that the contestant in that MrBeast video, Mac, is friends with Jimmy and is the lead editor for Airrack - another CZcamsr known for faking videos
Also, clearly there is laser on the leg of contestant... I was more buged by this, that also happens in his other videos...
He touches the laser the door closes. He had to get through the door.
"Producer, editor, and animator", I hope you got paid well.
Great episode
I mean are we really surprised?
2:34 Mr. Stempel knew the fix was in.
I'm my country if there's a prize involved, there's severe regulation 😂 you can't just offer to pay someone 50k
Same . Here we have something like "gift taxes" anything above 2k the gov takes a big bite out of it.
Great vid!
Mr. Beast on the thumbnail got me.
irony.
Abe: 'All I have is this house that I built with my own two hands.'
Homer: 'You didn't build this house, you won it on a crooked '50s game show!'
Abe: 'I ratted on everybody and got off Scott-free!'
A story that Vox should cover is video game clones (and interview NYU Game Center and others). After all, Stumble Guys is clearly just Fall Guys mobile
Not sure what the story is here. Game mechanics arn’t subject to copyright.
wow that was really interesting and I had no idea!
suddenly Im wide awake thinking were on the brink of a major financial paradigm shift.
I think the video they mentioned is the last major mr beast vid I watched tbh, other than the supermarket one
Now, I gotta figure out how to pronounce quiz.
This is vox trying to cancel Mr. Beast. How wells have you built Vox
I wish some of The Apprentice participants would come clean. The end result was a country led by a corrupt megalomaniac
Now do a video about the annoying bots flooding the comments
Watch Jeopardy on any given night
First time MrBeast is in a Vox video lol
It's almost like TV studios are incentivized to edit their broadcasts to maximize entertainment value. Lol
What's a quiz champ? You mean pog champ?
Reality shows are over. Now it's time for virtual reality shows.
😂
That's still reality shows
Reality shows have always been designed and manipulated since the beginning of that term. The name itself is spin.
I wanna see real life squid games myself 😂
That’s why I don’t like game shows unless it involves celebrities as panels or contestants cuz then I know they’re playing for fun and entertainment and not really for money.
I think that as long as it is expressly stated at the beginning of the episode, game shows should be able to do whatever they want. At that point it's just entertainment. But on the main point, if the FCC and/or Congress really cared about honesty they should look in a mirror first.
very well done video!
Well, I didn't know that gameshows weren't real.
This video didn't say they weren't "real."
@DavidKen878
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Respectable journalism. Also a very long and interesting history. Props to you Vox, from a longtime MrBeast fan.
this is like a bit from 30 Rock.
THere is something about Mr. Beast that I find very off putting. Can't really put my finger on it.
Vox 2023 recap coming 👀
Contestants name was @Mack