Louis' rant on schooling in NYC
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You're not lying, I remember my second grade Spanish teacher threw a student's notebook in the garbage because she wasn't understanding the material. Poor girl started crying, this is what we dealt with attending NYC schools in the late 90's early 2000's.
I reject the mythology of the Noble, kind, self-sacrificing public school teacher. There are many people that get into that job because they know they can treat people like that, without the repercussion of getting punched in the face as is what would happen if you are working with an adult and you behaved in that manner
the reason she was not fired is because she had tenure they could not legally get rid of her
My second grade teacher threw my classmateâs backpack in the garbage. Funny to me at the time but damn. Nyc as well
I got mostly lucky and has great teachers. One time though in 2nd grade, I didn't like writing the header (class, date, teacher...ect) and the substitute teacher took my notebook and embarrassed me in front of the class for not doing it.
u guys are lucky all i learned in elementary school was how to use a pencil as shank god bless los Angeles unified school district
Kids : âschool is a miserable experienceâ
Politicians : âOk, so extend classes in summer and Saturdays!â
politicians want people to go to work, end of story.
"Am I out of touch? ...No. It's the children who are wrong." (c)
If i was a parent and the school wanted to make my child attend on weekends and over the summer I would straight up refuse on the grounds of child abuse since not being able to enjoy life as a child is incredibly damaging to a persons mental state and that damage lasts a life time
School shoââotings intensify.
LMAOOOOOOOO UNBELIEVABLE
Not in the US but I had a teacher who refused to grade one of my essays, because she thought my friends had written it for me without anything to back that up. An essay without a grade is worth 0 points and held me back an entire year for that 1 subject. If I had been capable of comprehending, at that time, how completely and utterly fucked that was, I would have sued the school. I was a 16 year old kid, poorest in my school and I had never even thought to sue that teacher, since being poor that was never really a consideration. If you're reading this Ms Parker, I hope you rot in hell for reinforcing my depression to the point of considering suicide for so much of my life.
I don't know Ms Parker but I hope she rots in hell too.
people don't think about the consequences their actions will have for other people, do they?
God
That's terrible
I hope that things are doing better now
What a horrible sin
Against a child
I hope she got jailed for something later on
And I hope you're doing better
And I wish you luck
I'm on tumblr if you need anyone to talk to
Ah yes, I had a teacher who gave me this very important essay to write so I wouldn't fail class. I stayed up till 4 am writing the best thing I could possibly think of, came to school completely dead and fell asleep in every classroom. When I finally, gave my essay to the teacher, she read it and said: "You'd be too dumb to write something THIS good." She then spend a week trying to find online "the thing" I must've copied because she didn't believe I came up with this myself. She didn't find anything and at least apologized to me afterwards.
I had a spot test, finished first teacher marked it I passed. My friend then finished and we started discussing the test (we both had handed in test), teacher then tells us we both failed the test because we talked?
Another time with the same teacher I deleted every thing, I do a copy past from my friend and get a higher mark when .it was a control C control V. Still no idea how that guy was employed
I feel like I can listen to Louis crap on public school for hours. As a former teacher, what these teachers are doing to kids drives me nuts. Nothing gave me lower tolerance for the garbage teachers they provide you in public school and in college than me becoming a teacher myself and seeing how easy it is to engage your class if you actually care about their needs.
Yoo , didn't know you watch some rossmann videos
sup man, love your videos
Is it just me or do kids have more days off than we used to? I swear every month they have at the least one day off and several half days.
I'm a big fan TBYS; your videos are some of the most thoughtful, well-organized, and insightful on CZcams. Keep up the great work sir!
6 days of teaching absolutely nothing of worth to children while also giving them 8 hours of homework every night. At this point they may as well admit they just want to turn children into slaves and be done with it.
THIS IS TORTURE! THEY ARE GOING TO BE BURNED OUT
You can't have a school-to-prison pipeline if they're both exactly the same đ€
@@Hirpeeda Sure you can. Stuff them early so they won't know any better later.
exactly. our public school systems are set up to produce apathetic and submissive drones, and acclimatize people to ladder climbing and 'workplace politics' at a young age. funnily enough education is the least urgent priority of the 'education' system.
100% believe a lot of it is motivated by treating school as daycare. One of the main arguments I heard about opening up schools was that parents needed them out of the house so they could go back to the office.
you're completely correct; in Brazil, that's the exact same reason that pressured schools into opening, despite the state also wanting to close down businesses. talk about a win/win!!! (no)
the result of this mindset from the parents is that their kinds are going to school not to learn, but because they have to. they do not have any incentive to learn or even behave as their parents don't care, so they just cause problems at school
the state doesn't care as actually teaching isn't their goal, nor does the parents who sometimes will even complain if the school tries to punish their kids.
as a result, teachers can't do shit, nothing gets done, fake grades are given to pass students to the next year, and our broken system/culture just moves on to the next generations.
the only good aspect of the brazilian educational system is the fact that it's not my problem anymore
Says a lot about the value of school for actual education. It's not about learning, it's about eating up as much time as possible.
@@GoulartGH at least they pass them up... its not the same in college, where they try to fail you as much as they can to get the most amount of money possible.
@@tribopower yeah, then the person grows into an idiot adult with no discipline because the only thing they learned in school is that they can do whatever they want and nothing will happen to them. (until real life proves them wrong)
don't get me wrong, failing people so they can pay more is bad too, but the two are different issues and one doesn't negate the other
And that's why snow days are so scarce in the NYC school system.
I had the pleasure to be taught on a 4 day school week. We had 4 classes a day, instead of 8, and I swear, that was the best schooling I have ever had. In Canada, this is very rare, and it received a lot of criticism from parents, (because, not as much of a daycare) but the teachers, students, staff, all had a much better experience. Every teacher was super enthusiastic about learning, and worked with the students to learn. Very rare to see nowadays. I am very grateful for my school and the teachers.
I was in a school through 2020-21 that worked on a similar principle, but it was tiny, bespoke, and the class choices were few. I wish it was more common at larger scales, especially with optional days for those who want/need daycare time.
four class structure is superior
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 That depends on the subject I think. I went to a school where it was mixed semestered courses and both semesters. Gym is best for 2 periods, so was a bunch of the trade courses. But other ones, like English was probably better being stretched out.
Same with the maths/sciences, that way you are continuing to build upon your knowledge of the subject instead of having this huge downtime where the next course is offered in the next year and you basically forget a lot of it during the 1 semester you aren't taking it and the summer break.
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 I am currently in it now and I think itâs great. As a bonus, in high school, you get 1 hour less than elementary school.
I had a 5 day week but also 4 classes a day (In my last year I think every other Friday became a half day and some other experiments they were running with changeing times around in my last 2 years), when I went through public school in canada, was great, I know not everyone had great experiences but most people from students to staff were enthusiastic about teaching and learning as well.
This reminds me of my high school engineering class my junior year. It was my school's first year having it and I thought "why the hell not?". The instructor was an actual civil engineer and not a teacher. He saw the material that was provided to him and he thought about 70% was stupid and useless, taught us the other 30% he found useful and the rest of the day he had us work on hands on projects and mentored us on post school career plans. It was no small part that 5 years later I've looking at my Mechanical Engineering degree as I type this. If you see this, thanks Mr. LeBrun
Right because modern kids are not under enough pressure already. Get ready to spend 50 hours a week in a classroom that teaches you nothing before you get to spend the rest of your life in the wage cage.
THATS TORTURE
brootal
In high-school I literally had a physics teacher that admitted they didn't know the subject they were teaching. Our class had to work together ourselves to pass the class. I told our principal and the hr woman, both laughed at me and did nothing.
I learned that day that people really just don't give a shit about anything.
had a teacher that taught all but the most advanced math classes, never did math in college, and had a degree as an english teacher....
she had tenure, so nothing anyone could do
miserable woman who hated anyone who didnt kiss her feet
P.E. teacher that's an English major, what could go wrong we say.
@@BrandNew4U. HAHA same school
gym teacher became assistant principal , then principal after i left
plus side, hw wasnt an idiot and the job was easy, but man oh man does it look funny
@@ootmaster1 Doesn't always end up in a disaster, but it only makes them look and at times wastes their time.
The majority of high school physics, math and chemistry teachers have at best a superficial knowledge of the subject which is why it is taught formulaically
The sad thing is that NYC public schools aren't the only ones that have this problem. The entire public school system in the U.S. is just beyond broken. I absolutely loved learning about anything and everything as a kid and thankfully I still do, but the way things are set up presents learning as a rigid, uninteresting slog where you get judged at every turn if you make even a small mistake. I have always had very strong verbal and reading skills but I also have severe mathematical dyslexia, so I never will be able to be skilled with numbers. I remember being actively bullied and belittled by teachers in my public schools in NC for not understanding the material in math courses when others in the class did. I also had a teacher outright refuse to give me any kind of extra help with those subjects in 4th grade because it would be "favoritism". My brother's 3rd grade teacher at the same school volunteered to tutor me in the mornings a few days a week on his own time instead and continued to do so for several years after, even making house calls to teach me at times. If it weren't for him I probably would have been held back. Most of the public school teachers I had were like the one that refused to help however. I remember wondering if I was stupid for a very long time when I was a kid because of how much I struggled with numbers and even now at age 31 math gives me pretty terrible anxiety because of how I was treated about it. Other teachers in higher grades also bullied me about that issue even when I moved to private school for 6th-12th grade. The system is terrible if you're neurotypical, but if you're someone who learns differently in certain subjects like me, you're basically in Hell because our archaic system isn't made for people like that. The whole thing needs to be burned to the ground and replaced, making it longer is like putting out a fire with gasoline.
Wow! A teacher not willing to help the students that have trouble learning something should be the only reason needed to fire that person. I understand that sometimes teachers fail to notice that somebody needs special support but if extra help is requested, it should be provided.
I feel this comment on a spiritual level.
The education system in Canada wasn't much different when I went through 10 years ago
Idk my school district had a lot of resources. I think the problem is quality not quantity. School is just so inefficient.
> I never will be able to be skilled with numbers.
You could. You just aren't willing to put in the effort. Speak honestly.
Honestly, learning english in highschool made me feel like I would never be able to understand, let alone speak this language. Then I started playing some games in english ( more specifically the Zelda series ), and the next year I was suddenly the best in my class. I understood the problem was not my capacity to learn, but rather, the way I was thaught. It is completely ridiculous that a place designed to help us gather knowlegde only made us doubt our capacity to do so.
Same here... I cannot describe how bad I was at english in school and then after starting learning on my own trough games, I went from one of the worst students to one of the best, I did not learn any english at all at school, only got annoying and boring teachers that nag you all day about "pronunciating" the right words and the right verbs, but real english itself was never tought, I don't even understand why someone would major in english, seems like the useless degree ever
I also learned my English mainly through being online.
When grammar rules were asked.. hell i had no idea. I couldn't tell how the sentence order is, or when you need to suffix that letter or that other letter or what time forms and all that other stuff.
I was too lazy to learn that, especially knowing that i didn't need it anyway.
But if you just told me to write a sentence, I would do it correctly anyway.
I was best in class, not because I did all my homework, or sat down to learn it, but because I spent my afternoons playing games and chatting.
Other kids would spend their free time going out with friends and "having fun", after a annoying and stressful school day.
@@tribopower English majors end up working minimum wage, working at a library, or getting a second major in teaching.
Same here, I had a PlayStation 1 when I was young and was able to learn how to read English by trying to figure out how to make it through the menus and get to the game (and eventually figuring out what the menu words actually meant.) I also already knew how to type before any of my classmates because I would play any game I could find for free on my computer and googling cheat codes.
I got into trouble because my pokemon-playing ass over here was mad bored and frustrated with the shit english classes and absolutely HAD to correct the teacher.
US schooling? This is going to be a fun one.
What is the US government actually good at these days✠czcams.com/video/iPDcUGwfxak/video.html Public schooling is simply another failed experiment.
When I was 7 years old I played T-ball. I hit one single and two doubles. When I was 10 kids started pitching and I realized ball sports weren't for me. Then I started running cross-country and track. Ended up being a two time state champion in high school, and a D1 academic all American in college. Went on to do a master's degree in 1.5 years, and then PhD in 3. I also had the perfect parents and grew up in an upper class white family. We had more cars than people in our house. My dad bought a Porsche for him and I just for fun. Anyways, never forget 9/11, if for no other reason than because the banks got bailed out for no reason in 2008. But that's a personal issue I have with Ron Jeremy, and Islam is an interesting religion âŻïž.
@@DrJoonPark what the actual fuck are you talking about lmao,
Moved from NY to AL freshman year of highschool, the improvement was insane, now I'm doing an internship for Northrop after focusing on the STEM program, something we didn't even have in NY.
OH BOY HERE WE GO
My passion for technology came about because of my computing teacher. He was genuinely excited to teach and was a total bro. EVERYONE loved him. He also only taught for 6 years and quit for a different non teaching job. Luckily t hose were also the 6 years of my highschool. I heard he got replaced by a dude who absolutely didn't care and made it one of the boring classes again. It's truly sad.
good STEM teachers can often get higher salaries for fewer hours outside of teaching. The passion keeps them there for awhile, but many have to be realistic and leave teaching.
Yep same. My teacher in college (That's a uk college. 16-18) got my really passionate about computer networking. We did a module in our IT class on it and she taught it really well and made me understand it. I am now a cisco certified network engineer because of that.
computing is such a highly demanded job that i'd wager that all of the good teacher got a non teaching job
My experiences in highschool were so traumatic it turned me into a monster. I don't feel like a member of the human race I became so warped by it that I have no real frame of reference to relate to normal people. I probably am traumatised. I have never been able to turn down my awareness level - I'm always ready to fly off the handle or wondering what the angle is. The older I get the more I regret not getting myself booted out at 14 to spend more time reading books. I would have done better to go to work with my dad and learn how to be an Industrial electrician at 14. He was a typical boomer all about "muh school" and "muh university". My grandad used to tell me all the time about leaving school at 14 and going to work. He was trying to tell me something but I was to dumb to realise he was trying to tell me something. He was a clever guy.
At about 13 i realized that my time in school was a waste of time. I stopped doing homework, spent my free time learning programming.
In school I rarely took part in the lessons and did my own thing, trying to use the time properly.
I leaned back and just let myself slide through school till the end and passed with very good grades anyway.
After that I started a apprenticeship.. spent a couple years as a cheap worker, i was given tasks to learn things, but I knew most of it already.
I did my task in a fraction of the time, went on to work on my own projects to gather more skills, and pretended to my teachers that i was still working on my task.
After the 2nd year of my 3 year apprenticeship, my current employer contacted me, they had noticed my projects online and wanted me to work for them, they offered me my dream job without me doing anything for it.
But I thought I cannot just waste my apprenticeship if I would abort it now.
I started working for the company as a side job next to school, and wasted another year there to finally get my diploma.
My new employer never asked for any diploma or any proof of education or whatever, they didn't care.
I am very happy now that I was right back when I was 13, but it makes me sad thinking what could've been if I had a education that would've actually taught me new stuff.
ion even need Uni for what im going into, but im still going into it, because I need something to force me to do assignments/work.
But highschool was the most stupid fucking bullshit i have ever gone through. You dont even learn usefull interesting shit in highschool. You just learn the same mindless fucking garbage and political indoctrination that these industry-rejects(aka "Teachers") try to shove into you.
@@DedmenMiller this is genuinely what everyone did at my school. I was the kid who sat in the corner of the room on my phone the whole time; passed every class without any difficulty. Hell my math teacher left me alone after I made my own calculator so I didn't have to write out math equations all the time. I spent more time on CZcams and forums learning how to DO THINGS that with my current certs I'm more qualified than most people in IT with a 2 year degree. But I can't get a job on the basis of "you don't have a degree" even though I have twice the certs and plenty of proof that I'm not a moron. This world is ass backwards sometimes... its good to know that there are still employers who care more about skill levels than some stupid piece of paper.
sorry to hear that Zoid. You sound like a good guy to me.
I wish I could be your friend. I'm sorry
This applies to every level of education! I had a general chemistry professor in college who had a PhD in chemistry, but she was terrible at teaching. I had a good background in chemistry so I had an A for almost the entire semester. Then our final exam was full of topics we never learned and most people totally bombed it. My grade dropped almost 10% and the class average on the final was a C. This was at a private university and a class with a bunch of pre-med students (ie, students who have to work hard and care about their grades). I tried complaining to the department head and even tried to get him to look at the final exam grades. Got no where. I later had him as an organic chem professor and he wasnât much better. Learned way more on my own with CZcams and various websites. So much of the education system is just an expensive scam!
Teachers are basically clowns that got rejected by the entire private sector, and found work in the one place where they wont get fired.
@@honkhonk8009 well sure, a good number probably are, but thatâs a pretty wild overgeneralization. Thereâre a lot of very talented public and private educators who could make more money doing something else but choose to teach because they enjoy it. Thereâre also a lot of people who are very successful and wealthy teaching in the private sector (Tony Robbins, Tim Ferriss, Jordan Peterson, Simon Sinek, Dave Ramsey, etc.). Many private sector unions are also very good at protecting sh*tty workers who deserve to get fired. Itâs much more complex than âthe one place they wonât get firedâ.
"Governments don't want a population capable of critical thinking, they want obedient workers, people just smart enough to run the machines and just dumb enough to passively accept their situation." - late great George Carlin.
One of the major reasons I left public education after almost 10 years was because I no longer felt like we were actually helping kids, or even "doing good". Individual teachers could succeed in helping their students, but they were doing it despite the system they were working within, not because of it. If you look at the schools that are doing the best, you will often see that they are open with their communities. Curriculum concepts and lesson plan overviews are public, allowing the community and peers to provide input. Schools that hide their curriculum and teach based on lesson plans handed to them from a central government office, usually created by someone that's 12 degrees separated from actual children, tend to get the most funding and provide the worst results.
EDIT: He did bring up one issue that I personally think is responsible for a lot of the "problems" with schools in the US. We teach subjects as entirely separate units, Reading, Writing, Math, Science. We have students that are not picking up the reading and writing skills they need early on in the lower grades, but they get moved up anyway. Then when they get to the more advanced concepts at the higher grade levels, they don't have the basic tools they need to understand what they are being presented with. A student that is having issues with reading comprehension is going to fail to understand concepts in a physics class, but will get punished for not understanding the physics concepts.
Yeah the moving to the next grade and not knowing the prerequisites hurt. I know so many people who get moved to algebra two or three and they really never understood anything from the last unit even though this unit builds upon it
Be glad that you are living in Murica and you have the option to educate your kids in a private school of your choice. Also you can make school runs in a V8 car, that is unreal in Europe.. đ
My perspective on school is that the only thing we need to be teaching till 5th grade is reading, writing, and basic math done in the head, and not on paper. Everything else should be eliminated. History, science, any kind of advanced math like algebra, calculus, statistics, Art programs, band, etc should all be extra curricular, and not part of the core programs.
I second the issue of having everything be separate. I came to this realization when I switched to a totally different system; they did a pretty dang good job of connecting everything together. One day you might have a math lesson that talks a little about the person that thought of this idea. Then a few days later, you'll hear about it in more detail in a history lesson. Few days later, might hear how that idea transformed something else, ie through a music lesson. It wasn't perfect, there were certainly still holes that could have been filled better, but it was still way more interconnected than normal brick n mortar school.
I always excelled at the science related classes i.e math, chem, physics, engineering etc, but absolutely did not know how to write a proper MLA formatted paper until I had my first college English class. I donât know where I missed this but it was expected everyone knew how to write a paper.
had a math teacher who couldnt get any of her students to do well on her tests, constantly had students with terrible grades, had complaints from parents and kids constantly. but since she had been there for 25 years and was a president of the math sector of our school they waited until it was clear she was not teaching the material in effective manner because of how many kids couldn't pass her class and the fact that every other math teacher had a much better outcome on the results of the same material. my other math teacher ended up having anger management and would throw markers at kids and scare the shit out of them by intimidating them. he scared the hell out of me to the point where i couldnt ask a question because he would get so ticked off and say were not listening? he would get so fed up if anyone didnt get it the first time. he ended up being fired after 30 years for looking up a girls skirt
Same with our english teacher
Math teachers get some respect for me. atleast they teach a subject Im gonna use a shit ton in my life, and that I actually enjoy.
But english teachers?? ENGLISH is the definition of filler. Useless ass class just wastes time, and steals time from subjects that are actually important.
I feel like forcing children to go to school more will make them more depressed and potentially increase the suicide rates. Highschool ranged from boring to irritating for me. I also have social anxiety which didn't make matters much better. From the moment the school day started, I was looking forward to it ending. And during the whole week, I was looking forward to the weekend. I was living in an endless cycle and I realized that early on. If the boring part of the cycle had been extended, I might've just given up on life. The one part that kept me going a little, was that we were often told that we could choose what we study in college. When I finally got to college and learned that that whole time we were lied to, I didn't have anything to look forward to anymore. Sometimes I wouldn't even show up to the finals for classes in which I had almost perfect scores. Each of the classes made me so depressed. There was no purpose in them for me. I know what I want to do and these classes don't help me reach my career goals apart from the fact that they'll give me a piece of paper at the end. It's artificial. The exams don't represent the real world either. There are completely artificial limitations in an age where information is more easily attainable than ever. If I have a math exam, why is it that we have to write notes ahead of time instead of simply being able to use a calculator for the job?
15 years ago my parents bought a fully digital school curriculum because we were temporarily moving to a foreign country and we supplimented that with meuseums, documentaries, and extracurriculars. It was great and I always tested in the 90+ percentile on standardized tests. Public school was a zoo full of drugs and sex.
I tested in the 95+ percentile without any of those advantages. Plus I got laid.
"Public school was a zoo full of drugs and sex." Hmm, sounds great!
Parents willing and able to spend money on their child's education. If we had more parents like yours we'd be better off in this country.
@@MrTaxiRob You, Sir, are a god.
The reason why public schools suck isn't the drugs or the sex. In fact, drugs and sex are the only thing that makes it bearable. It sucks because the teachers are low IQ and have no interest in teaching.
The insistence on every classroom teaching exactly the same thing is part of the problem. There are people who would be amazing teachers, but they're required to teach from deliberately shitty lesson plans. They literally aren't allowed to fix problems.
Teachers are not allowed to teach nor are they paid to try.
Straight up truth.
As someone who went through the training to teach, I can tell you that itâs not the teaching I hate. Itâs the system. I had a student during student teaching (never went into it professionally after I experienced what I did) who fell apart while I was teaching math. I sat down with them one day and said that whatever method they felt solves the problem (of the two I was teaching for double digit multiplication) is the one they should use, but that I had no choice and I had to teach what was in the book. As someone who struggled with math myself, this was personal. It solidified that I did not want to teach. We must completely reimagine learning in this country. From the ground up.
exactly. so many people don't understand it's not up to the teachers how and what to teach. a teacher may know a better way but they'll be fired if they teach that way because it's not the program designated by the department.
@@satoau1 And the biggest issue that nobody even stops to consider is the fact that we literally invented all of this. We could change it if we genuinely wanted to.
@@rml695 sure, but everybody is too busy blaming teachers instead of the ones that buy the materials, set the curriculum, then hand it to the teachers and fire them if they do anything other than that.
@@satoau1 Very true.
During my apprenticeship I learned barely anything in school.
Our main teacher showed us the education plan for the year (he wasn't allowed to do that)
And on there it only listed like 8 topics for a whole year.
Stuff that I could learn myself in my free time in about a month or two (if I didn't already know most of it before I even started my apprenticeship...)
No wonder that we spent most of the time sitting around and chatting with our teachers about how shit school education is nowadays, instead of actually learning things.
Our teachers were frustrated, might even say depressed.
Our IT teacher worked on industrial control systems before he moved over to become a teacher, he knew his shit, but teaching that to us wasn't what the higher ups had envisioned.
I did terribly in school. At some point I was placed in special education class and I was told I had a learning disability by a gang of bitter lazy spinsters.
These days I'm an engineer. I'm not stupid or "special" and I don't have a learning disability. Turns out I actually love learning and what I experienced in public school were the symptoms of a *severe teaching disability* that has gone undiagnosed for 100+ years.
Turns out I have ADHD, but the school didnt care enough to diagnose it lmfao.
After that, started getting 100% in math tests and science tests, while before i was getting 60-70%.
Funny part is, I was still getting the same grades for English, since our teacher was a fucking degenerate, who graded students based off how much she liked them.
I've been homeschooling my kid since spring of 2020. We had home schooled before, so I didn't hesitate to pull my kid out of school when a cop showed up to my door to do a "wellness check" because of a stupid statement my kid said about how quarantine was killing them. I looked over the chat logs, and the other kids were bullying my kid. We had problems with that teacher all year long. My kid's fourth grade teacher, the year before, was awesome, and my kid thrived.
As I said, we had home schooled before, after our kid started having suicidal thoughts because of bullying, IN THE THIRD GRADE!!! We had also had problems with an overly authoritarian kindergarten teacher, we pulled our kid out of school a few months before we moved to give them a break.
Now, we follow our kid's interests, and now they are learning Russian, learning history, and reading books on their own. All I do now is keep a diary of what my kid does, and the state is happy with that. Iearned recently what we are doing is called unschooling.
@@randominternetguy3537 Schools will never implement cooking because they don't want the students to have genuinely useful skills. But we can use bunsen burners to experiment with chemicals, yay!
@@randominternetguy3537 My Brooklyn school didn't offer cooking. They offered a music class with somewhat beat up instruments, a robotics class where the robots constantly failed to function, and a coding class with disengaged teachers. I envy you wholly. I wish I just went to the schools art class and just tried to have fun there because I heard the art teacher was great. The fact that the education system can instill me with so many regrets is just wonderful.
Unschooling is fucking amazing, itâs the best way to raise a kid
If I ever had I'll homeschooling too , l school gives so much mental problems to a child
@@randominternetguy3537 no it's just a bunch of typos since I was in a rush and was not feeling right, but wow you are judging me due to some typing mistakes I made in a sentence. You must be real mature, I will do home schooling to my kid so he doesn't have to deal with people like you smh
Those are the type of parents who are like, well I had a shitty experience, so I'll force my kids to go through it too.
Yes, the military training mentality is horrible, the fact that shared suffering makes people feel like part of a shared tribe. I wish we could get rid of this.
Those folks are indeed the most vocal.
@@jessicav2031 I mean it does work, it unites them against an common enemy, the coach -or how he's called-
As a teacher, reading these comments makes me really sad. In my experience, the vast majority of my colleagues are very capable people who do really care about improving kids lives. I agree that there are some terrible teachers who should be fired, but I think itâs the system thatâs holding most of us back, not our ability to teach well. Due to the sheer number of lessons we need to teach in a day, you have a choice to make. You either work ridiculous hours in the evenings and weekends to prepare good lessons, or you give up and just get through the day teaching from a textbook knowing that you wonât be fired for it. Iâm choosing the first option because I really care about my job, but I can see how people wind up choosing the second. Imagine if the people who make the CZcams videos you mentioned had to upload 6-8 hours of content per day and werenât allowed to decide what they make. Iâm sure the videos wouldnât be so good. Thatâs what itâs like for us, except we have the added responsibility to emotionally support our students as well. Extending teaching hours is the exact opposite of what we need. We need time in our working day to plan good, engaging lessons that weâre excited about. It would really help if the people making these decisions actually understood what itâs like to be a teacher rather than being some politician wanting to give parents more daycare and spend as little on education as possible.
The fucking public system is one of the most wretched things I've ever had to suffer through in my entire life; and I know I'm not alone in thinking this.
The fact that these out of touch bureaucrats continue making the same god damned mistakes nearly 25 minutes later makes me want to scream. To see that things have only not gotten better for these kids, but have somehow gotten WORSE from when I was a kid defies comprehension.
All my school life I grew up with a system that told me I was stupid, and inadequate. All that time I had no teacher lend a helping ear; or explain things in an engaging way. Herded from class to class like cattle, shoulder to shoulder like an assembly line. It makes me sick just remembering this shit; and it makes me ANGRY to see that this still happens.
Basically you have these fucking perfectly raised fucking clowns raised by rich parents, ending up getting perfect grades in school and sucking up to the teacher. They have never been bullied once in their lives, and have never experienced life outside their gated communities.
Then they end up going into politics, and become the out of touch beurcratic degenerates they are.
Crazy how I can look forward and respect more from this man opinion than a politician's
Louis should run for mayor of NYC
@@MrTaxiRob I have to go and get s autograph before he become too famous
We shouldn't ignore the responsibility of the ones in charge of the school, funny how they make money no matter how badly the teachers & students are doing...
exactly. the teachers don't set curriculum or materials or teaching method, those are all decided by the board, and if teachers teach any differently to how they've been told then they will be fired. getting angry at teachers over education is like getting angry at call center staff about company policy.
I remember thinking at the end of high school "I'm finally done with books. I will never ever have to read a (fiction) book again!" The realization genuinely put a smile on my face. Mandatory reading had somehow made me hate fiction books overall. Even more than a decade later I still get a distinctive feeling of dislike when I read fiction in my native language.
And my country, apparently, does quite well in public education.
Interesting point. As a very young child I would read every night. As soon as it was required, and the material was boring I stopped reading. It wasn't until I hit 30 I began to read and continue my education, on my own, again.
"We're behind"
Bullshit. 85% of the shit I learned in school was completely irrelevant in my modern day. English, writing, literature, algebra, physics, and some history were the only useful classes. Everything else was a waste of time. Give students shit like how to do your taxes, how to sew, how to cook healthy meals without breaking your wallet, how to defend yourself, etc.
This is so true. Same for universities, honestly. So much propaganda out there about how going to school is needed and makes you a better person but it's just expected at this point. I cannot say that my friends who did not attend university are any less intelligent than me or less accomplished. Many of them have far more practical skills too.
Can attest to that. My B.Eng degree didn't get me a job immediately in the field. So much for the prestige.
Iâm living proof that university is BS
University is BS, community college will cost less than your car if you're smart about it. Nobody needs to pay more than 5 grand a quarter for a quality education, and that's without financial aid.
Trade school rocks, at least here it's crazy cheap $900 for 2.5ye
Worth mention mental sanity. In uni many of us are treated like we are worth nothing all the time. We are also supossed to gather some knowledge from theachers that are lazy as fuck explaining, insult you if you donÂŽt know or understand something and wash their hands if you don't know anything is "supossed to learn in a previous year". Then, evaluated by them as they teached everything perfectly. Oh but they MaKe tHE CoRReCt QuEsTions AND YOU HAVE TO fiND tHe COrreCt anSweR...
we dont need more fucking school. we need less hours and more quality education. i went to public school my enitre life and after graduating from Columbia University, i really saw firsthand the difference in quality in education first hand between my highscool peers and my college peers. i might not be the best example because i was considered a "good student" , but i truly didnt learn anything from most classes nor teachers. it was always me being proactive and i enjoy reading and new knowledge. the lack of quality really affected me with the learning curve difference that i experience in college. NYC officals dont know nor care about the students. if i ever have kids, i will not be putting them in public schools in nyc
SCHOOL IS TRASH AND ITS A SCAM
@@GeosRealityReport Public School should be abolished.
@@dl2839 USA public school system should be reconstructed from the ground up, never abolished, that leads to slavery and the rich having even more control over normal people.
@@sirkana There have been numerous Politicians across the fifty states that have attempted to reform the Public School System. They have all failed to fix Public Schools.
Public Schools cost 93% more per student than Private Schools. In a 2006 study, Public Schools scored 10 to 20 points worse in 4th and 8th grade reading and math.
Public Schools are fundamentally immoral institutions that are based on the forced extraction of money through taxes. They can fail and fail without *any consequences* precisely because they're Public Schools. Public Schools must be abolished.
@@dl2839 That's literally just US people being disaster capitalists. The private sector is always more expensive and if the public system was abolished the price of education in usa would skyrocket. Please look outside of your dystopia to see how a public school system is supposed to work.
As part of the Easter and Western Europe school system, I agree. There are too problems I have noticed:
1. The prestige of the school/university does not matter: every school has good and bad teachers;
2. In a grading system made from tests (not projects), the grades does not matter;
3. Excluding some exceptions, the higher the difference between the students and the teacher, the teaching becomes less efficient. Professors are bad teachers for undergraduate students, while they can be excellent teachers for PhD students;
4. Age gap: excluding some exception of older teachers staying up-to-date with technological updates, the bigger the age gap between teacher and student, the worse the teaching experience becomes. Older teacher tend to teach older stuff and ignore or involuntary skip progress made in their area of expertise in the recent years.
I've said this many times after a few years passed when I graduated. It was all just useless garble I didn't need in life. I retained probably around 5% of whatever was shoved in my head for a more or less a decade. And that 5% was probably basic/fundamental things or something that was genuinely interesting. Combine that with the constant bullying and my parents taking away things from me and punishing me for "doing bad" at school, it was amazing. One time my mother said "One day you're going to miss school". Oh you could not be more wrong. To hell with that thing I'M FREE AND I GET TO LEARN WHAT I WANT AND I'M ENJOYING IT.
The beauty of being an adult, you donât have to mess with ANYTHING that has to do with school!
One word: Tenure. It's a touchy subject for me considering my major in Education. I can understand the necessity of a safeguard like tenure, but I also see it's rampant abuse, especially by the teachers that have stopped caring decades ago.
Lol linus(LTT) parents were teachers. He joked about stuff teachers get away with and his mom(?) Jested that they(teachers) basicly need to be caught with a dead child to get fired.
A teacher from my school divorced his wife of many years for his student. The moment she became 18. They got married.
Still teaches there. And thats not the first teacher/student relationship in that school either lol
currently tenure is much less of a problem, the main issue is that teachers who do care aren't allowed to teach any differently than the program set by the board. if teachers deviate at all they're fired, and the program is of course focused on rote learning as many facts as possible to get a good score on the standardized test so the school doesn't get funding cut.
@@satoau1 Yes! This is the other side of the coin in terms of the problems our modern system of education runs on. We don't even know what kind of alternatives there might be because we have no committees to look deeper into this. The other fundamental issue will always be how our schools are funded and how that directly relates to racial discrimination.
@@roysamuels9468 actually that's one of the benefits of tenure (though i agree it also has downsides, i'm not saying every teacher should get tenure), because teachers who want to do a good job can feel safe throwing out a boring rote-learning curriculum in favoring of more engaging lessons with less fear of having that good (but different from what the education dept thinks) work getting them into trouble.
@@satoau1 Exactly. Tenure also provides teachers the benefit of not being unjustly fired for a number of reasons, including what you mentioned about utilizing their own teaching methods and class schedules.
I could rant with you Louis. I went to âNY School of Printingâ for High School which was a total waste on the educational level. Shortly after I graduated the printing industry was literally killed by the PC and the ability to print things at home. A clear example of the foresight that NYC is renowned for đź
Fast forward, I made sure that my kids didnât have to go through this and I moved out to Long Island to a much better school district and it absolutely worked out. I wound up with 2 kids that are Ivy League graduates.
Youâre absolutely right about NYC public schools. Theyâre a disaster. Like how many chancellorâs have they had in the last 5 years? Thereâs no structure or stability. The kids are all distracted by bull shit. Ridiculous. Iâm with you Brother
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I took a printing class in high school as an elective. I remember it being a lot of fun. I wasn't very good at it but I did enjoy that class. This was in the 80s. By the mid 90s the PC was taking that industry out. How often have you needed a Kinkos in the last 10 years?
As someone who went through grades K-12 in the U.S. public school system, I can tell you that the vast majority of public school teachers are both underpaid and underqualified.
A sociology professor I had earlier in my education compared public education with institutionalization, e.i. training kids to sit in an office for 8hrs a day. This proposal definitely seems like institutionalization to me. I'd also like to know how they plan to compensate public educators for working longer days, more days per week, more weeks per year.
Education reformers have describe our education system as solely designed to train professors: sitting at a desk, pouring through random papers, and producing essays. People who then fail to conform to this system are labeled as "failures". The truth is that this narrow system has failed a vast majority of children who neither continue their studies or acquire any useful skills.
The only time I actually felt like I was getting something out of school was when I was in community college taking welding classes. The prior thirteen years were largely boring and almost useless. I strongly believe that I could have learned how to read and do the math that I need to know on my own with minimal help. My mom taught me the alphabet and the numbers before I started kindergarten.
I loved my time at community college.
I wonder how many kids are itching to do something productive by the time they get to high school.
Community college is definately underrated. I had some excellent teachers in geography, history, and math. They even had a math lab where you could do your homework and get help. Of course that meant I was behind from my high-school experience but still. I got caught up and learned a thing or two.
When I was in kindergarten I was doing multiplication. Then my mom wanted to swap schools to get me to closer to home in first grade. That school was still doing counting in first grade, so we swapped back.
What do you mean by learning how to read , is this something very American or is there something more advanced ?
I'm not a regular commenter, but this one needs to get Liked and shared until the Internet breaks.
I went to public school, as did my daughter, and we can both echo your sentiments. I was fortunate to go to one of the better public schools in my area, and have fond memories of several teachers who WANTED to be there and actually taught their subjects well. Shout out to Mrs. Olsen, my Spanish teacher, who instilled a love for language in me that I still have 30+ years later! Shout out to Mrs. Johnson who first introduced me to computers and let me program my first "hello world" program! Shout out to Mr. Bruns who taught English, and I mean TAUGHT English - grammar, spelling, parts of speech! Shout out to Mrs. Fischer who taught me phonics in Kindergarten and turned me into a voracious reader! Thank you, thank you!
Then there are the rest. I can remember my Algebra II teacher who literally sat on her stool and worked problems on an overhead projector for the whole hour. Snooze. Hello, I'm lost; I have no idea how you factored that. Do my test scores reflect it? Ever consider asking me if I need additional help? I'm actually NOT stupid, maybe a tad lazy, and a little encouragement would go a LONG way.
And these useless drones aren't just in elementary, middle, and high schools. They're in colleges and universities too. I remember a computer science professor who turned two programming courses, C and assembly language, into grueling exercises in clock watching. I ended up teaching myself programming, but he got paid for it.
My daughter had several similar experiences during her college experience (UCSD, I'm looking at you!) where her professors, for whatever reason, couldn't seem to impart information if their lives depended on it. She did what you did, Louis; she went on CZcams and found videos explaining calculus, physics, or whatever it was she was working on at the time, and she worked. She taught herself, and she succeeded. BIG, BIG shout out to my kiddo, who is now five months away from being called Doctor!
I hate to trash public education as a whole because there are many good teachers out there doing a fantastic job. But "the system" of public education is in such bad need of an overhaul, it's ridiculous. I'm with you, Louis - fire the useless ones! In fact, "useless" is the wrong word in many cases. I'd prefer them to be useless. What they are is toxic.
it's not up to teachers these days what and how to teach. there's a program set by the education board that all teachers must follow, which is geared towards making sure students memorize enough facts to do well on the standardized test (sold by the company that supports the government) to make sure the school doesn't get funding cut. if you teach differently, you're fired.
@@satoau1 Agreed about the "what," but not about the "how." I've been a teacher, and have had curricula handed to me, so I knew I had to cover x, y, and z, but as for how to impart that knowledge - examples I gave, what I drew on the board, and most importantly, how dynamically I delivered lecture - was entirely up to me. If any (government) body wants to control HOW teaching is done, that's actually an argument for recorded lessons Ă la CZcams. Why roll the dice with a human?
@@dontaylor2 it may have been up to you up to a certain point, and i note you mention "delivered a lecture" - there isn't much possible variation there. if say you noticed that lectures were boring kids as there was nothing for them to do but sit and listen and tried to do something more engaging instead, you would've found yourself in a meeting with the principal.
online lessons are well worth discussing. how are students supposed to know what videos are worth watching? how much time should they spend browsing through videos to find the one they need? should they watch a 10 minute video or a 30 minute video on the topic? after they've watched, how should they gauge their own comprehension of what they just watched? what skills should they then test out? who will evaluate and give feedback on the work they just tried for the first time? what video should they watch next? should they spend more of their day watching on the same topic or move on? and move on to what?
in the modern classroom videos are very useful. teachers make good curators.
Because of how bad the system is I got left back twice, and am dropping out pretty soon to get my diploma through PennFoster, fuck the education system. Itâs dog shit.
Great teachers are real gems. And that is a universal truth...
The "power trip" thing is definitely true. I bumped into a former high school teacher at the pharmacy a while back and the dynamic was so weird. Here I am a fully grown woman with a salaried job trying to buy my goods and this former teacher is trying to impose himself on me like he has any kind of authority. I didn't owe him anything but he was being weirdly demanding for someone who at this point in my life should address me as an equal. And I was actually I high performing student. I just didn't care for this particular teacher's pompous attitude. I got my A and kept it pushing. The man doesn't even work at the school anymore and he still acts like he's in charge.
what did he say I wanna know
@baskey3723 he was straight up demanding personal information about me and my family. We had some overlapping interests. My uncle was in town for the opening of a new Monument so we had special access. The teacher was also attending but just as a regular civilian and it sounded like he was jealous and wanted to prove he was better than me. Or something. He also left me his card like I was going to quit my job to work for him.. I never called the number. He was pushy as hell.
Years ago I followed you for Macbook repairs, stayed following for this. I grew up homeschooled and I have to say, this is THE BEST video you've ever made!
They Arenât Called Schools, Theyâre Called Institutionalized Learning Facilities.
Also indoctrination centers.
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@@nyfrankie9460 alright pal, sounds like you've had a bit too much conspiracy content for today, come back when you're sober.
I read way ahead of all my peers because my family read to me from the start and had me play educational games like Reader Rabbit. Even as an adult I read dozens of books a year. It starts at home.
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The ability to fluently read is indeed the most important skill to learn. If reading as an act itself feels like a chore, you can never easily learn anything that requires reading. Learning new stuff is basically about how fast you can input new data into your brain. And even though videos and audio recordings allow you to input some data even if you cannot read, those methods have lower bandwidth for most tasks. (There are exceptions, obviously. For example, for music studies having audio recordings is much better than text books.)
As a former homeschool student who could have been way more diligent, I found entering college that I seemed way more prepared than my peers. I still scratch my head how that was possible, they totally spent way more time on many subjects than I did and yet seemed to have learned little. Entering college, they all seemed to think of classes the same way they did in high school. Minimal attention, just try and pass. College ends up re-teaching everything anyways. Even though I was never in it myself I really feel like the public school system was/is a joke. Something is horribly wrong when I can be a mediocre student at home and come out ahead.
School was such a traumatizing experience that even as an adult, I can't attend any school or college because no matter how easy task I'm given, I just have panic attacks and freeze in fear. My mental health just DROPS hard in academic setting.
I was a kid in school in Germany during the german reunion. I remember my time in school was exactly as you describe. Unconnected useless facts, presented by boring bad teachers. At least we had no steel bars on the windows. It's still the same school system today. Someone called this "Bulimie-Learning": eating up all the facts, punke it out for the test and forget.
Also as you describe: the mayority of my today needed skills I have learned on my own, from my parents, and from my grandfather (who was a great teacher on basic electronics, logical thinking, hand crafting and fixing stuff).
Now think bout all the kids who don't have strong family bonds around them, and how poorly they will get on in life.
@@MrTaxiRob Yes, terrible. But explains the much dumbass people out there.
Yup... People seem to get a weird impression about Europe, that somehow schooling is better here when it's really not that much different
@@PoptartParasol the real differences are cultural differences from country to country
Proof the new world order has been in charge for while now.
It's sad the people deciding this stuff are so detached from humanity. After a certain point, you just can't learn anything else without taking a break. Trying past that point not only stunts further learning in the subject matter, it gives the very real risk of undoing any learning that had occurred. The students are already getting burned the hell out before the end of the day and so far the response is make the day longer and more days.
Another shitty solution that ignores the actual problem. Yes the problem of quality is difficult to solve but you can't brute force it, that never, ever, not once in the history of mankind has worked to improve the quality of anything.
When I see videos like this I feel like my experience in public school was a paradise. Even in difficult/rough neighbours most of the teachers I've met during my childhood loved their job and loved kids.
Honestly this is ridiculous, my intensive bachelor's program had at most 3.5 hours of classes a day...
The primary school system is glorified childcare.
The fact that I can learn as much as I want about a topic with just a bit of effort using the internet then turn around and craft that into a video that thousands can be entertained and educated through when I only have a High School diploma is pretty insane. I don't know the exact degrees that are required for different levels of teaching but if someone without one can teach people in a way that they actually engage with I honestly don't understand what the piece of paper is needed for.
I was lucky enough to have quite a few good teachers through my years of school but still had a few of the type who clearly are just there for the paycheck and always felt like I learned so much better when the teacher wasn't a complete a-hole.
I am often surprised when I look at comments on videos from channels I subscribe too and see just how many channels I follow watch each other. Is there some kind of subculture of people who think in fairly similar ways that goes unrecognized as a group, even by themselves?
Have you ever heard of the Dunning Kreuger effect? Videos are at best a good confidence building introduction but they cannot be the whole thing. For example one can learn a lot from Louis but only if they try to actually do what he shows. Learning is not passive. In the case of what Louis does if the board does not work there's your grade.
A poetry teacher on the other hand has a very different task. As for STEM as I teach ...we have people who actively think scientist are out to control them and that dinosaurs were killed by Noah's flood.
@@MardukGKoB Sure. If those people don't connect with each other. It doesn't help that you never know quite who you are dealing with on the internet.
The teachers union protects mediocre and uncaring teachers who are there for the paycheck and cushy retirement benefits system. That's my school experience from seeing how their union kept terrible teachers employed when I was in elementary, middle, and high school.
@@animejanai4657 You hit the nail on the head. The school board in my home district (this is in WA state) can't do much without union approval, and serves as an easy scapegoat whenever (inevitably) something goes awry. Attrition on the board is high, and those who stick around are mostly bootlickers who don't give a rip about students.
Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
These politicians are a prime example. Perhaps they need to be fired.
Past 8th grade, there no point in forcing us all to do the same thing with no critical thinking development or practicing and building skills. And who is paying for all this? Sounds like baby sitting alternative for day care
Just yesterday, we were talking how lock down might have played a positive role in encouraging my son to take up drawing, coloring and reading books. He has improved leaps and bounds during this time.
Teachers are just interested in covering bare minimum and see if kids are scoring good grades. No focus is given if they are actually learning and able to use the knowledge in day to day life.
Iâm from Brooklyn and I had the misfortune of seeing my entire academic existence going through NYC public schools.
On top of things already said, the city has been heading in this direction anyway, for years now. My mom would tell me stories about how she crammed classes in her sophomore and junior year of high school so she could only have three classes her senior year. Thatâs illegal now- each school must have at least seven periods in a day, even if you have all your credits to graduate.
They want to extend the school days because theyâre trying to teach kids their morals disguised as academics, kind of like college. In my English class, we read books from Toni Morrison about racial oppression and had to have discussions rationalizing why feminism was essential to progressing the country forward. My American history class was more focused on slavery after we covered the Revolution, than anything else that happened _after_ the Revolution.
The teachers here pump you full of their values which align with their political preferences, and claim itâs in the pursuit of knowledge. This is public school, btw, like _high school,_ not college. I graduated high school six years ago, identifying as a feminist, a potential climate change activist, and understanding that capitalism was an evil for everyone and socialism was the answer.
I have disowned all those labels as of now; as soon as I was out of school and allowed to examine the evidence for myself, I realized I was a lot more skeptical about these things than I ever knew.
Considering my own experience, itâs not surprising to me they want to extend the school week and day.
Alot of people in my school have Indian and Asian parents. I live in canada btw.
Litterally what we learnt, is to fake our political views. Old male teachers are usually normal, and are tolerant of your political views, and actively encorouge people to say their minds, regardless of what line of thinking you on. But old white female teachers????
Everyone quickly learnt that if you want a good grade, and if you want a FUTURE, you have to fake your political views, so these clowns would give you an A. Our school was possibly the most homophobic and racist school in the entirety of the damn country, but you wouldnt know that, considering how everyone would pretend to be some feminist tree hugger whenever we write essays or do projects.
Teachers are basically clowns that got rejected from the private sector, and found work where they wouldnt get kicked out for once.
They realized the fact trhat half the dogshit they teach is fucking useless, and that no one cares about their bullshit, but these people want to justify their dumbass dropping $30k on some useless ass degree.
I understand math teachers, since im gonna be using Calculus and Differential equations and shit hella in my life. but fucking shakespeare????
I teach High School Auto and metal shop for the last 17 years. I agree the system needs to change. I hated High School growing up. Except for sports and art class.
My suggestion would be to add more shop classes.
Can't read how to ride a bicycle, you need to apply what you're learning. Doing is learning
>My suggestion would be to add more shop classes
Can't help but agree. Woodworking and metalworking were some of the best moments I've had in my school.
@@caav56 shop class is the application of all the other subjects.
an interesting Lee is the first thing they always cut isn't that weird? Well it's not really weird to be honest with you but it's the very first thing that always hit the chopping block
The best part about the schools I was in (From special gifted school, over higher education, and lower education for less intelligent people) were always the "extra" activities that didn't have to conform to any plan.
Creating the school website, learning Russian, teaching elderly people how to use computers, programming robots, creative writing, woodworking, electronics. Those were the great parts of school, but they all weren't "planned" by the people who decide what kids should learn, they were extras created by teachers who loved their job and loved teaching, who didn't get restrained by some pesky "plan".
An experience with one of my nieces, did a video chat a few years ago to help her with her math. I have a minor in math and had no idea what I was even looking at. We went to youtube to learn the "new math", my niece watched it and understood.
I also had an argument with a teacher about standardized testing to track teacher performance (not the 1 week of horrifying testing we have now, just an hour or two per year to get an assessment on the teachers and students). She didn't want any outside intervention, no standardized testing and was very pro teachers union who is responsible for much of the problem. There is no accountability for bad teachers what so ever, and little to no reward for those teachers who do a good job with the current system.
Just found you! I am an ex govt. school, middle school Teacher, and you are correctomundo! I Now Only a Homeschool Advocate!.. period!.. I help families get started in order to avoid the sick indoctrination of our precious children.. I was a rare, easily fired MS Teacher.. ha.. I was told to 'hit the bricks' more than once.. for liking my students enough to tell them the Truth ... Thanks for your smart and True rants!
Reading the comments, I feel like I was extremely lucky to have had a bunch of teachers that liked teaching. That said my school experience wasn't great either since we were still 28-30 kids per class and the teachers were forced to teach to standardized tests rather than just teaching the class.
I had an 8th grade math teacher that was so bad that I spend my entire teenage years thinking I was awful at math. I didn't find out until I was a junior in college that I was actually great at math when I started getting As in advanced calculus.
Iâm good at math but school sucks any motivation to actually try at it out of me
Same thing happened to me - I thought I sucked at math, then took a Statistics course to prep for Grad School & happened to get a teacher that understood the subject, could teach it, and was enthusiastic about how it could be used in the real world. So sad that kids think THEY are inadequate, when it was the teacher that failed.
Really good video. When I think about how much I hated school my mind tends to first go to all the bullying, not just from peers but also from teachers. But thank you for reminding me of how dreadfully boring the the majority of the experience was. Iâm amazed I got through it learning how to read and write.
Listening to people talk with honesty about their own life experience has been the best thing to happen to me, and while the internet has ingrained into me a number of awful habits, it has shown me the reality of the situation others are in. Thank you for your time and effort, your words have helped me greatly.
Kids: School is a bad experience. Its a waste of time.
Parents: Excuses
Parents when you are an adult: School is terrible and a waste of time.
I never learned anything until 6th grade because my teachers couldn't care less about weak students and they would always beat me, kick me, make me do 100s of squats, make me stand in one leg carrying my backpack over my head and I hated going to school. I would fake being sick and I just could never be focused on class because I would always be anxious. Then I had to change school because my family moved. After changing school I realized that I wasn't a dumb kid who could never learn anything but the teachers in my previous school just sucked. Back then people who couldn't find any jobs would work as teachers so they weren't fit to be a teacher.
You went to some rough schools...
@@mlovmo sound like the soviet schools in my country, back in the day
So you didn't learn to read and basic arithmetic?
Same thing today, my peers that became teachers were the ones that failed at their real goals, just gave up and took a teaching job. Its worse now because the same people want to tell parents what to teach their kids to be successful in a society they basically failed in... with the plethora of much more prestigious jobs today anyone choosing to become a teacher must not be too smart.
@@weiserwolf580 the backpack over the head sounds like Korean discipline to me. I had Korean neighbors. Those kids were very well behaved.
What I remember most vividly is having 7 classes in a day where each teacher would struggle to fill 45 minutes and we students would often ask 20 minutes worth of questions, leading to cramming in the lesson for the day rather than giving time before the end of the hour to get some work done and ask the teacher there.
I asked for a study every year of high school because I understood if I didnât I wouldnât have the motivation to do my homework at home or after school. Got it on year, managed to keep my English grades up because of it.
Louis, I have been in all aspects of education from a student in public education and both kinds of college to an administrator (IT) in public education, and I can honestly say that you're not the only one standing from the rooftops as it were, screaming about how terrible things are in education. You hit the nail on the head when you said that CZcams and other sites can teach better than public education, but there's a lot more to it. Look at Pearson, the largest stakeholder in education as we know it. They own everything. They control a vast majority of what students are taught. They tell teachers what to do, what to say, and how to teach. A lot of teachers at the school district I worked for were looking for other jobs outside of teaching, except for the battle-worn teachers that couldn't leave because of how close they were to retirement. I believed a lot of the students that said, "Ms. So-And-So hates me", because I was one of those kids that had a different learning style than others. I got put in all kinds of "special education" classes just because they didn't know what to do with me, but now because of sitting through CZcams "classes" alongside college instruction, I'm a highly-trained IT pro. Let me say this clearly. One of the BIGGEST reasons I chose not to have children of my own is because of education in our country. It's messed up. Teachers are frustrated because they have no support. Students are frustrated because they want to be challenged but aren't, because they're tested more often than they're taught anything. Add to that parents that wanted a hands-off, "traditional" parenting experience, and you have this perpetual motion machine.
I never forgot what the public school system did to me. So a bit of context, I'm a Sysadmin: trainer, and repair technician at an MSP; I'm also a sci-fi writer (under a pen name). I love reading, science, and history.
School took my love of reading and actively made me hate books, school took my love of history and made me despise the blind memorization of dates and focused more on mindless cultish patriotisms than why anything happened, and they took science and turned that into endless reruns of Finding Nemo (I wish I was joking). On top of all that, all the teachers were explicitly hired (and this was public knowledge) to be sports coaches, they hated kids and their assigned subjects, and they also happened to have the worst sports teams in the state to top it all off.
It wasn't until I got out of that school and went to a vocational school tech prep training course that I actually started learning. When I had teachers that cared about their students and subject matters and didn't have any relation to sports (no team for the vocational school) did I start actually learning. Turns out, I've got an IQ of 170 and my school was actively keeping me down. I started reading for fun again, I started writing (mostly in secret as anything like that would be literally beaten out of you at the public school by students), and I realized how much I loved working on computers. After I graduated, I found CZcams channels about history, science, math, and writing and I've learned so much more since then from communities that actively love this stuff. I now do what I love both in tech and as an author as a result.
So yeah, I remember the prison, the abuse, the sheer incompetence, and I remember what it could be. There's a reason I only mention the vocational school on my resume and not my public school, they don't deserve to have any recognition from me and if anything they deserve to be sued into oblivion for the psychological and physical damage they inflicted. Education is important, now more than ever when surrounded by a crumbling world, but at least the way my public school did things isn't the answer.
Can anyone explain why we use a semicolon: > ; <
I have a theory that most Asian drivers are bad because they have to use the rules of English in order to understand the rules of driving.
no wonder the Finish drivers are the best in the world. :-)
@@MickeyMishra itâs basically when a comma isnât a hard enough stop but you donât want to end a sentence
Crybaby.
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School made any kind of reading a chore for me I used to enjoy it
I was discussing pain management with a friend and I walked around for over 5 years with an abscess tooth.
I found myself wishing they had that same experience to grant them perspective on pain.
Of course people send their kids to school.
how did you not get osteomyelitis in your face?
I've had an entire class in high school where all the teacher did was write notes on the blackboard and made us copy from them. That was the entire class for 40 minutes.
Louis Rossmann: I just started watching your videos. I've watched 6 so far, and you make more sense than most of the people in the world. Thank goodness for people like you!
It's good to see someone who cares as much as you do. It's important to have examples we can follow.
Louis, I'm 18 years old, lived in Brooklyn for most of my life, and had to deal with this shit too. Thank you so fucking much for putting the pain of that whole experience into words. The New York school system has ruined and tainted the concept of learning. I'm currently working on Blender, the 3D program, because I'd like to animate in the future. When I want to do something, but don't know how, and learn a new way to do things, I get heart palpitations. I don't get the heart palpitations out of fear or some shit, but instead excitement. I'm so excited that I can feel my chest bump a million miles a minute. And unlike the education system, when I see someone else doing well, I'm not envious, but happy for them and want to achieve being as good as them, because unlike the school system we're not forced to compete like fucking caged animals for a better spot in the dog race, or to get into my dream school/college. So, as a fellow New Yorker, Thank You.
Dude, am also 18 and I relate to this so closely even when I live on the other side of the world! My passion is in programming anything visual like websites and it's weird to me the school is so colorless and monotonous. The stress of having to do school stuff and freelancing also takes it's toll: never. ever. give up and let others dictate what pallette your world should be painted in.
@@jentle3734 Hell yeah man, fuck the colorless of school, and don't let them force our paths
I feel ya I hate almost everything in school and I am 15 all I want to do is something in programming but I canât find time because of school
âDo not train a child to learn by force or harshness; but direct
them to it by what amuses their minds, so that you may be better able to
discover with accuracy the peculiar bent of the genius of each.â
Plato
Louis I really I appreciate the comments about adults remembering what it was like to go to school. I graduated this year and I spent 13 years in Pittsburgh Public Schools, there were a lot of teachers I liked and a few I didn't but that's something that always angered and confused me. It always seemed like these people forgot what it was like to be in a room with bars on the windows and being treated like a child all day every day, I felt betrayed by past generations that seemingly graduated and didn't do anything to make the system better.
Also side note we had entirely online classes from March 2020 to May 2021, idk about other students, but it felt incredible strange to be back in the classroom. I thought I'd be kind of happy to be there but I felt so uncomfortable, I couldn't get up when I wanted or speak when I wanted or play music while I worked or eat whatever I wanted in class. There are so many rules for arbitrary and stupid reasons it's insane. I was actually already fully vaccinated(as were nearly every teacher and a good proportion of students) and yet there were still new rules because of covid. They always had bag check and made you go through a metal detector in the morning but with covid they basically made it entirely like the TSA line(which I had the fresh experience of going through in April), bag and jacket in bins, and they'd look through it, one at a time slow as ever. They'd make students wait outside while they needlessly checked all of your shit. The last day of school I just couldn't believe it was over, such a strange experience I don't really want to think about, I kind of get it now.
Beaverton Oregon school district âdiversity and equity officer â STARTING pay: $117,000 per year⊠yet: âwe need more money for the teachersâ
You just described a management position, not a teaching position. You failed to make your point with the evidence you presented.
@@MrTaxiRob Clearly the point is that too much money is spent on management that there is not enough left to pay teachers well. It is a problem throughout our entire society.
@@albundy06 no, he didn't make that connection in his comment at all. You're reading something that wasn't written, maybe you missed out on some classes in grade school where they focused on comprehension.
That person is insane. Did they ever go to school? Looking forward to the end of the day, the weekend, the summer is all I did...
How could taking that away help?
This is one of your Brilliant rant. Close to my heart đ
I think part of the difference here is that when you go on CZcams, you are choosing to learn something. In school, you don't have a choice. It helps to want to learn things in school, but no matter your willingness you don't get to pick what, where, or when you learn. All the motivating steps are removed from the picture. Nothing kills motivation like requirements, especially when they seem so arbitrary, like lots of what you learn as a students
Itâs truly amazing the shit you can learn on CZcams. I actually get offended when smart-asses ridicule CZcams. But then consider the source; such people typically are addicted to scripted fictional television programs they stream online which really provide nothing more than mindless diversion.
It's hard to fire those union members. I'm fine with private sector unions, but I detest public sector unions, they are anti-taxpayer.
One of the Nordic countries in Europe, Finland, added an extra YEAR to their mandatory schooling starting 2021, due to so many people failing to do anything productive post mandatory schooling. Which is insane. Why not take a hard look at WHAT and HOW you're teaching that doesn't prepare the students for a successful life, not the quantity.
exactly if 13 years of training isn't enough, why would 14 be?? The administrators are willfully blind, that none of them dare rock the boat in favor of common sense.
That's only mandatory extra year in sense that you no longer can drop out of school after your 16th birthday like previously. The new system in Finland still has 9 year mandatory elementary school and you have to select *some education* after that (high school, trade school or "10th grade" which is basically repeating the 9th year with extra support - usually only people that cannot be accepted to any high school or trade school go there). Nowadays one can decide to drop out of all education after your 18th birthday.
Never double down on a failure. Scale it back until what's good takes hold.
Going to a public school is about as close as anyone can get to experiencing socialism without leaving the country.
The only teachers who were ever enthusiastic about their classes in high school were my choir teacher and my calc teacher. My choir teacher loves his job because he loves teaching music to others, makes sense. My math teacher loves his job because he gets paid well for teaching Calc. Heâs amazing at teaching, but if he wasnât paid enough, he would never have taught classes that specifically changed my life (currently majoring in math). Teachers like him are so rare, but that just isnât how it should be!
About my experience with the NYC school system as well. You can tell who cared and who didn't. Thankfully, my HS physics, chem, and cs teachers all cared about their subjects, despite the class not being a honors one.
School is 100% a daycare system, I remember in 2020 many of my coworkers who have kids were wishing school be back cause they would be able to take it anymore with their childs there all the time
It is incredible how the public school system has changed so little. Your experience of having only a handful of decent teachers mirrors mine.
Iâve figured out as a previous teacher that good teachers go to schools where they have autonomy in their classroom, they can afford housing and only have to work one job to support themselves. Why live in NYC with no autonomy and high cost of living and shitty coworkers due to teacherâs Union when you can live else where in proximity to similar NYC amenities at a lower price?
By the time I was a Junior I only showed up to school like 2 day s a week, most of my required credits were acquired by the better schools in Florida. Senior year I only needed 1 credit so by that time school didn't any hold on me and you can see how hollow all of it really is.
as a person who is a senior in a public high school u are 1000% correct
Love you louis , dont apologize for being angry..Im a 60 yo former combat vet and the world today as compared to when I was a kid in the 70's is a absolute toilet. Most veterans today fought for freedom and a better life and this is what we ended up with. sad.
I'm actually surprised the teachers' union is willing to consider Saturdays and summers.
About half the people I know that went into education went into it because they couldn't figure out what to do with their lives, and thought, "well, at least I get summers off".
the problem with schooling is that putting everyone on the same basket makes everyone have to deal and survive with the bad/disruptive apples, both students dealing with horrible teachers, and teachers dealing with students that cant keep to themselves and make it impossible to teach the others, an environment that doesnt allow for the removal of the disruptive ones is hardly enjoyable.
Let alone the fact that "memorizing" anything is bullshit, if there is one way of judging knowledge that is absolutely useless is memorizing facts, no one gives a shit about memorizing, formulas can be looked up, facts can be looked up, understanding how to use math knowledge and analysing historic events is the skills that we need to build.
Not sure I want to "analise" things.
@@mlovmo memorizing spelling is pretty good.
yes teachers aren't allowed to do anything differently between students or they risk a reprimand or getting fired for "favoritism".
But what if you do separate the annoying students from the others, now you have a class that will jack shit and if somehow 1 of the students still have good grades, the parents will breath down your neck to put there children in an better class and so your at the same problem you started.
Segregated schooling doesn't work
Maths in primary school tried to get me to memorize the "one times one" (translated from German)
You are supposed to know what 1*1,1*2,1*3,1*4,..,7*8,7*8,...9*9 results in, from memory.
You were supposed to learn all these numbers. Bullshit.
I refused to learn it and got a bad mark, but fuck that, I was best in class anyway.
I always refused to follow with this bullshit, and if it meant i had to suffer due to bad marks then, so be it, if you don't want me then fuck you.
Due to bad grades from music/philosophy i was forced to drop out of that school to a "lower" level.
Well fuck you, I'm happy if I get out of this time waste quicker.
Worked out well for me in the end, I got a better job than I could imagine, without turning myself into a sheep in a heard of shit.
One of my students, at the end of the year, told me "Thank you teacher, your class was so much fun". I said "thanks, I try to do my best..." I know I'm not funny so I was wondering how the experience might be with other teachers đ.
thank you for your service
time at home with hobbies not only teaches more then schools
but also gives the opportunity to discover a passion that you might find your future in
more school hours will just crush spirits and leave dreamless husks to use
I very much agree with you regarding some parents do use public schools as a daycare. It's very unfortunate.
My mom got tired of getting an email every other day form my sisters school about someone being exposed to Covid so she enrolled her in PennFoster online high school and my sister graduated a year early and is currently in college.
For those that might not know how bad the system is: I failed two grades and was promoted bc classes were over crowded.
I was also in a class in which we didn't have a science/math teacher for MOST of the year.
i am extremely fortunate that I was able to attend a specialized High School in NYC (you have to take a test to get in) where the teachers actually gave a shit about what they taught, and would also make effort to treat us like adults when it came to the real world, not just "oh you gotta score this and this on some random test"
unfortunately, the city wants to get rid of the admissions exam for specialized high schools for "diversity", but at the same time does not want to meaningfully do anything about the "lesser" high schools
currently in college doing engineering rn, and the classes I have enjoyed the most are the ones where the teachers think out of the box and try to engage the students best as possible however difficult the subject may be. the ones I hate are when the teacher blazes though a powerpoint and you are expected to memorize everything for a test, go figure. not to mention the BS general ed classes that usually amount to some sort of propaganda and have no real use other than to fill up one's schedule when actually useful classes arent an option
Just wanted to say, you're a good dude. You spend allot of time criticizing but that's so underappreciated by society. It's clear you actually care about places like NY, your criticism isn't coming from a place of hatred but love, you want things to improve for a place you care about. That's what drives me nuts when people get angry at criticism and say: "If you hate X so much why don't you just leave?!" They miss the point, someone who actually cares criticizes from a perspective of genuine concern and a desire for things to improve, and that's what I see in your content.
Exactly. Ny is so beaurocratic, the need to keep bad teachers, bad teachers unions...so many issues.
Hearing them say that black and brown students dont do well in linguistics is like someone repeating a mantra to make it come true...
I wouldent want my kids recieving any services from people who arent making it work and have specific notoriety for running stressfull schools.
Even in cartoons NY schools are depicted in this truly odd but realistic way (Hey Arnold did this so well).
New York is and has been too complex for public education that is similar to any other state, that is for sure.