You know what I think is the closest American equivalent to Greek mythology? Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Seriously, what could be more tragic than the story of Karl? He goes through the tortures of the damned and yet he never learns a single goddamned thing from it. He remains the same exact person the entire show. And so do the rest of the characters. Thus proving their red-blooded americanness.
People are so overboard on this shit. When I was a young lad (before sick ass CGI), I collected Marvel comic books and dreamed of the day we would get these movies/shows. We have them now and for the most part I consider them relatively fun and enjoyable to watch, but not some kind of high art. Who are these people who think they are changing the world simply by watching and worshipping these movies/shows? Who are these people that thought Wandavision was some groundbreaking and original exploration of grief? Conversely, who the fuck are these people that think Marvel properties are responsible for the death of cinema or culture? If cinema or culture is dying than they would be merely symptoms, not the cause.
Typically people say "the mcu is ruining movies" as a short hand for "Disney's sole ownership of the film industry is ruining the film industry by creating a soulless, spare-every-expense content pipeline processs, releasing one 100 million dollar film every month, and financially incentivizing cinemas to push out other films as well as forcing them to give Disney a larger cut of profits," it just doesn't take as long.
@@jackjones4248 All the other stuff, and the Malthusian guff he used to excuse it, was just a diversion so he could do that. It's pretty obvious when you look at all his subtle references to Enosis that the Amerocentric Avengers were too dense to notice.
I should confess, I haven't watched it. I saw _The Winter Soldier_ though, and that was okay. It wasn't _Lawrence of Arabia_ , but it wasn't _Meatballs 2_ either.
They’re pulp. Decent pulp, but pretty disposable. The people who take them way too seriously is the problem (the articles they talk about are pretty awful), but I think the pod boys hatred has more to do with artistic snobbery than any political criticism.
@@aboubacaramine8689 Slavoj Zizek is a Slovenian left-leaning philosopher and psychoanalyst who is known for his many tics, including sputtering when he speaks. You should listen to him, he's a riot and comes off as a complete madman most of the time while still delivering some important insights!
"We all live in a cultural food desert" is right.. that's why I'm listening to people I don't know talk about marvel.. (all my friends love marvel or dc or w/e)
@@hirosavage not to break up the funny here but i think there has literally been scientific research that came to the opposite conclusion of what you just said
Disney only releases something if it already sees market potential. We were infantalized before Marvel, they just supplied the demand for sanitized capeshit adventures.
*_*Nietzsche intensifies_** WE CAN AND MUST DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT ONLY TOWARDS PERPETUATING THE ORDINARY! We love it, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this. We love it, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this. WE LOVE IT, TREMENDOUS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS.
That show was criminally bad. I know almost all MCU media is regurgitated nonsense, but *fuck man* Talk about painting by the numbers. Idk who angers me more, the people that the Chapo boys righteously and hilariously ripped into, or those monotone; dimmer than dusk "comic book movie" channels on YT.
If that was criminally bad to you, and not just unbearably banal, it makes me wonder what you make of the 68 hours of procedural police dramas each primetime network makes every week.
Wanda's arc was fine but it was insanely self-indulgent - particularly the initial few episodes. You could do a compelling piece of drama where a character creates an uncanny artificial "I Love Lucy"-style world to live in and have it play out in 5-10 minutes. There was no need to do entire episodes in the style of old sitcoms where the sitcom mostly goes as intended and barely anything happens outside of it. It felt like I was watching some weird Tumblr fandom who enjoy putting Wanda and Vision into different art styles or something, as opposed to a miniseries which is supposed to have a well-told story. Also I know it has to be made watchable for kids but it's very weird to have a largely static drama about grief end with a standard MCU flying laser battle.
"None of these things have any weight in isolation, you have to see all of them". This applies double for the Star Wars fans who don't like any of the movies. They just threw darth maul in to monologue at the end of solo for no reason other than some nerd is gonna be like "I saw him get resurrected in the cartoons". They need everyone to like their extended universe bs cause they know it has no value.
I don't follow Marvel movies either, in part because in order to understand anything happening in Wanda Vision, you have to have seen the last 25 movies before it and followed all the A-X plot lines. It's incomprehensible to me and I don't really care to know.
Only two points that are a bit off. The Snyder psychos definitely lean more right they love Snyder’s vision which is outright fascist and obsession with statuesque power. And the niche quality that comics had is what is so incredibly about them becoming basically the entire industry. The majority of fans over 23 know the characters by osmosis really and to anyone under they’ve been introduced by the films this is the only recycled culture they have. It’s been pumped out by the algorithm and then thrust on them constantly that when they say they love it and find these meaningful things in it they mean it. It’s not there but it’s there for them
Lets unite around the symbols of America's gun-to-your-head foreign policy and economic tyranny. But I guess if Americans should unite around something, why not something that's uniquely American. And WandaVision is the most insane thing I have ever seen. It shows how insane a world with supes would be. Don't bother with it, though. I watched it first because the episodes are just 25 min or so. Continued because of the disconnect between content and end credits and later due to sunken cost. In other words, I had invested too much time not to see it through and it was a drag. Later episodes are much longer and it gets only worse.
@@Mark-jr6ld what is even more wild is that Loki is getting a redemption arc now, too. Why is Marvel trying to redeem characters that are/have been going around commiting war crime level things with virtually zero repercussions?
@@JimJamTheAdmin Because Marvel superheroes aren't religious icons. They're metaphors for billionaires (except for when they're literally billionaires) and corporate executives, who do hold power unimaginable to a normal person, who do commit awful crimes against humanity, and who do walk away scot-free, "regretting" their actions at worst. Loki is just Bobby Kotick.
@@miserychickadee Shit, I like that spin actually, supplements my own hot ass take that superheros are presented as impossible, super - if you will, but only use such unimaginable (literally, apparently) power in service of perpetuating/defending the ordinary/banal. Fortunately/unfortunately (unclear, going with the latter), I _low key_ have no idea who Loki is in Marvel (tm) (r) (c) context, aside from the trickster god archetype namesake from norse shit that I assume they named him after, as they would. And hey, if we're resorting to that ctrl c+v shit, let's at least get a character based on the only other norse thing I'm aware of after being horrifyingly intrigued discovering it and in the end settling on its grotesque dopeness, Blood Eagle (tm) (r) (c).
I pointed out some potentially problematic elements in recent Marvel projects with protagonist of color and got called racist, because the culture war dictates that you either love Disney or you are a bigot. It's getting exhausting, honestly, the movies too; Marvel Fatigue is setting in
i'm bothered by the author saying that this show is "inspiring" to her. what was she inspired to do? what actions has she been called to take, what occasions has she risen to? you can just enjoy a tv show without pretending it had some profound effect on your life. this show probably didn't inspire her to do anything and instead encouraged her to retreat into comfortable fantasies as a distraction from reality.
The main problem I have with the MCU is where their adaptations are weaker than the source material, ie Black Panther. Sometimes it is better than the material, like Captain America. And that pisses me off as a person who read this as a kid. I stayed away from Thor and Captain America because they were too "Aryan" (although I couldn't articulate it at the time). Yet in the Captain America movies (after the first one, although the first one make some critiques of propaganda) it is Cap versus the gov't, and that is a way more compelling story. Also Thor Ragnarok is a story about imperialism and diaspora. Whereas in the Black Panther comic Bill Everit from the CIA is working with "Dondi Reese" (who looks identical to Condi Rice of the Dubya Admin.) Who are trying to invade Wakanda for their tech and resources, where as Disney made Shuri and her mom work with the CIA to overthrow Wakanda's gov't Not pretending that superheroes are particularly deep (unless it is something written by Alan Moore or Warren Ellis). I fully admit I watch these movies purely for the spectacle, to mostly turn my mind off. But I'd say comics in the hands of the right author can be and have been way smarter and more subversive that these movies. When the MCU started under Dubya's last year, the first movies were Iron Man, which showed that behind the brown terrorists was actually a white capitalist industrialist who was true threat and evil, and the Hulk's main antagonists we're the military trying to turn him into a weapon. That isn't radical, but it is subversive... Then fast forward to that awful propaganda in Falcon and Winter Soldier, it is totally hegemonic now, not really an iota of thought IMO. In that one we are supposed to root for the army superheroes to fight a bunch of kids who want to get vaccines that are just sitting there to refugee camps? WTF?
Oh god I didn’t know that about the comic. To think we could’ve had a mainstream critique of the invasion of Iraq during a time when everyone was forgetting about it is kind of frustrating.
Yeah instead of having something currently relevant like Wandavison, we could have the bush era reexamined. It's a wonder why you aren't running marvel with all these fresh ideas. They did this because it's speaks to now, not 2003. You always look like fool when you make an enemy of the talented. Marvel has dominated the film industry for a reason. They are good at what they do.
Black Panther was such a trash movie. The villain is black revolution and the hero is the CIA. There's a scene where the gorilla tribe (all the others have names like mining tribe or border tribe) is periodically barking like monkeys at the CIA guy cause white people aren't allowed to talk there.
Will is wrong, the marvel comic universe is literally a 1:1 replacement in modern society for what religion used to be. Shit is so throughout messed up that most people can only imagine a magical force being the answer.
Crazy how that article isn’t even correct… Wanda is evil after WandaVision she fucks shit up in doctor strange like she learned no lesson because she‘a a prop with the skin of a real character 😭
Well that's the point right? Last man shit, as the wise sage that fish guy in star wars noted, "it's a trap". In other words, the distinction is we didn't create and socially impose gravity, at least to my knowledge. _"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
I don't know why people get so upset over comic book movies. Either people take them more serious than they're supposed to, or they do like Chapo and get mad at people taking it too seriously instead of just brushing it aside and moving through.
I just feel burnt out on seeing them. Like I thought whatever marvel movie had thanos in it first, was cool. Then it kept going and you had to see 40 other angles on the same universe, and 30 different additions release annually lol. Who has the time to keep up on this shit?
@@SteezySteez2011 So don't. No one is making anyone watch them. It's like getting mad at fast food and how many different gas stations there are. Literally stop giving a shit. It's super easy. Watch other movies. They still make them you know?
Probably because Marvel movies success are actually making it harder for other movies to be made. The grievance is legitimate. It’s not some thing in the corner that can be ignored like Swanberg/Bujalski mumblecore movies in the 2000s it’s fucking Marvel, a Walt Disney subsidiary, with an infinite marketing budget being blasted into our faces 24/7, which would be fine if I didn’t have to see nerds tell me that what is obviously the cinematic equivalent to McDonalds deserves as much respect as a Michelin star restaurant. Whatever, I don’t go to McDonalds, but I have to drive by them, and their customers are the only ones who match with me on Tinder, so I think I can bitch about it
Marvel movies are pushing out other type of movies in my cinema. Not to mention how it contributes to the commodification of movies as an art form in general.
While I have points I severely disagree with this; I cannot deny that people take popcorn films too seriously. Though I am not a fan of the take that people who do analyze the politics of these since the MCU does have a varying degree of Neoliberalism that does need to be interrogated.
Hot takes from people who didn't bother to watch the content is about as Neoliberal as it gets, but whatever, no need for integrity when one hates the MCU I guess. As to the people taking it too seriously, it could be the people making popcorn entertainment using comicbook characters the reestablishment of the inherent goodness of the American empire. Maybe they are the ones who take this shit too seriously? I could see an argument for that in the 80s where every action movie used a vet or a cop to tell an impossibly silly story. But as they say, when it's a magical witch fighting a giant ogre, are they f-ing serious? They should just say they don't like it and not watch. If anybody is a baby, it's the one who plays videogames all day bitching that other people like a different form of pop entertainment.
@@johnhorton5627 have you watched them? I like them as fun mindless entertainment, but they 100% have plenty of imperialist propaganda in them. Tons of pro military shit, etc. and pretending like being based on comic books inherently mean interrogating the politics is meaningless is absurd. Tons of comics are super political. Some with good takes some with shit takes. X men is a giant allegory for the civil rights movement. Also what do you think neoliberal means? Cuz commenting on media you haven’t watched isn’t neoliberal in any definition of neoliberal I’ve ever heard other than “whatever shit I don’t like”
@@huckthatdish When they've laughed at liberals in the media for criticizing and analyzing and freaking out about content without seeing it and then they do the exact same thing, I don't care what word somebody uses to describe the point of view of those media figures, Chapo is guilty of a ridiculous double standard. As to imperialist propaganda, I just think it's ironic they are the ones making fun of a witch fighting an giant ogre and how silly it all is to care about this stuff. One second later - this stuff must be understood as neoliberal propaganda for American imperialism. Yes, of course, comic book content is overtly political at times. That doesn't make the MCU imperialist propaganda for liberals. And there are in fact plenty of points where the government is criticized, our heroes are called murderers, so on and so on. There are lots of threads to pull, and if the only thread you're pulling is neoliberal propaganda while calling it pabulum for babies no one should take seriously, well, that's f-ing shallow at best and, really, just flat out stupid. I'd love an explanation for example of Jessica Jones as imperial propaganda. Good luck to them finding those themes in a story about sexual and physical abuse and the emotional trauma resulting from that abuse as Jessica Jones first season was. But how any of that has anything to do with story they told on Wandavision, I have no idea. If anything, the government was one of the main antagonists, which the government consistently is in comic books stories, especially the X-Men. Perhaps stories should be evaluated on their individual merit, not on some conspiratorial grand narrative where no matter the story told, it's doing the work of imperialist propaganda? Maybe?
@@johnhorton5627 what a straw man. No one’s claiming Jessica Jones specifically is imperialist propaganda. And it’s very clear you don’t give a shit what words mean. I completely believe you there.
@@huckthatdish It's not a straw man. It's taking them at their word and wondering how in the hell they can have as absurd of a take as they do given just how much of the content could not possibly be accused of being propaganda for imperialism, which they are claiming is the overarching theme of the MCU. Finding specific themes in certain movies or shows is one thing. Ignoring all the other themes including the ones that directly contradict that take doesn't strike me as serious. And when you're calling people babies for enjoying certain content, perhaps it's best not to make laughably stupid observations. It undermines the point just a touch. They didn't even bother to watch the show they are ostensibly criticizing, a show about dealing with trauma and grief. I saw Spider Man 3, a story about redemption. I guess grief and redemption are now synonyms for imperialism, just as sexual abuse, mental illness (Legion), I could keep going, but whatever. How about one more for fun. The plot of the punisher has the protagonist, a soldier just following orders, execute a man and bury him in the desert to cover up the crime, you know, imperialist pro military propaganda. They come off sounding embarrassing, just as their fans do when defending their stupid take. Good one on me not understanding words by the way. I wonder what boring insult will follow that one while you are continuing your embarrassing work.
I just think they're taking this shit way too seriously, same as these articles writers, but from the opposite direction. Marvel movies aren't the death of culture and they're not a gift from God. They're just entertaining little distractions from life. It ain't that deep
I'm sure they would have just as many cringe takes on that movie as they do Wandavison. I love that movie as well but that's just a preference I think plenty of their other movies are just as good.
But it is that deep and always has been that deep. You are the one trying to obfuscate its impact on cinema and culture as a whole. Why critique media at all then, according to your world view?
@@princegobi5992 Because it's not eroding culture, it's mindless entertainment but it's not the only entertainment out there. So many talented creators still put out amazing and thought provoking works. But if you're going into Endgame and looking for anything other than some mindless fun, that's on you man.
I mean I know it's Chapo but it's weird to hear them go off so pseudo-authoritatively on how unpopular and 'D-list' comics Scarlet Witch is when... that is nowhere near the case and movies Wanda like the rest of it is just a big ol' flop
Superheroes are 100% the modern reinterpretation of mythology. The symbolic, humanized, representation of the powers that rule us, the literal remnants of old gods recycled into superheroes, the plots, and especially the annoying articles that justify and praise them as our shared cultural experience and assign them real power. It may be an annoying trope, but it’s true in every way. The differences between superheroes and the ancient pantheons are simply the results of fundamental differences between our society and theirs, not a difference in their societal purpose.
Superheroes must return to the last profitable mean. They were written as part of a corporate cinematic universe designed to be endlessly profitable, and thus they are stripped of their humanity. Ancient mythology and legends are not constrained in this way and retain a much more human, relatable element.
@@Southlakesown Well, so do all myths under capitalism, but that just makes them the perfect equivalent of the gods for our modern era. It's not like the stories of old gods were made without ulterior, selfish motives, nor that modern stories are devoid of humanity or reliability, either. Those stories were told in certain ways to maintain certain political orders. If the "human element" is referring to their history and their existence in the collective imagination of humanity, superheroes have that, and a big part of their history is literal mythology in many cases, while many different people interpret and imagine superheroes in a variety of different ways.
Superheros have nothing to do with mythology my god. Mythology is an example of folk culture - stories organically developed and constantly evolving through interactions within a community. They reflected the lived experiences of the people (everyone) who reproduced and lived them. Superhero stories are mass culture carefully designed by an algorithm to generate maximum profit. You don't contribute anything, you're just fed your slop allowance from a machine that has no connection to you and exists in spite of you. And god help you if you try to repurpose corporate intellectual property for your own life.
I would guess the average American takes the marvel universe more seriously in their day-to-day life that any sort of organized religion or probably even government
how the fuck do they spend half their time arguing against the stupidity of culture war and the other half the time saying avengers isn't good culture because it doesn't do what art is supposed to do but they haven't even watched it? What is their gripe against it except they are fighting a culture war against it?
It's basic and uninspired. It's like they make these movies in a propaganda factory. Black Panther was originally about stopping the CIA under Rhondalisa Mice from invading Wakanda. The movie was about moderate rebels teaming up with the CIA to overthrow the dictator Wakanda who wants to lead a black revolution by distributing WMDs.
In the 90's, it was; "I don't own a television." Nowadays; "I don't like superhero movies." Yawn. The ironic part is where he talks about being obsessed with MMA like a Joe Rogan-bro. 🤡 Not saying I love Salon articles that claim pop culture is super-deep, but c'mon, live a little, and if you can't do that, don't be ironic.
@@alexberkowitz5897 Then don't watch it. I don't like reality tv so I don't watch it. And I don't waste my time talking about it. But bitching endlessly about it as they do makes them as stupid as the liberals they are criticizing. Most people watch it because it's fun. And that includes a ton of working class people which these idiots are also condescending to but claim they hate it when liberal commentators do the exact same thing. The MCU is popcorn entertainment. That's it. That's how it is understood by most of its fans. Some of the stories are good, some aren't. These idiots watched the Gilmore Girls, Law and Order, etc. From my point of view, that ought to be considered pabulum for babies if that's what we call shows and movies we don't like.
@@BubbyBold Okay, and Wandavision triggered Chapo. What's your point? They want to say stupid things about Marvel, fair enough. But what they are saying here is stupid. It's okay to point that out.
Yeah right up until they are talking about the Gilmore Girls or talking about watching all the other stupid shit they watch. Right up until then it's everybody else who is a fat baby. They are such hypocrites on all of this. One more, the Sopranos is boring, regurgitated bullshit that is every mob story. But they love that shit. Hypocrites.
@@minamur I wrote it while laughing at a bunch of idiots who sit around discussing dozens of mindless pop entertainment shows and movies they like whining about Marvel's popularity. They didn't even bother to watch this show before describing what it is to wider culture, pathetically mimicking every liberal hot take with their unique brand of obsessively stupid criticism of what is just popcorn entertainment. I'd argue the listlessness of Chapo these days can be traced back to their first boring tirade about Marvel. That should have been the clue they had nothing interesting left to say. As to your comment, it's the exact wit I have now come to expect now from Chapo fans. Dull, boring humor mirroring the excruciatingly cringe hour the show has become. I still listen every once in a while to see how cringe it will get. This commentary on Wandavision is way up there on the cringe list of their increasingly insipid, tiresome content.
@@johnhorton5627 yeah agreed, on pop culture I just think they have terrible taste to be honest. They want to go against the grain and it just comes off try hard.
This is the only podcast left on CZcams or anywhere that I can listen to that still shits on liberals. Being on the right leaves you no home but what else is new?
You still have no home. There is a difference between left and liberal, if you would bother to actually listen to their critiques of things. Now keep roaming along.
Metaphor in fantasy is fine. But these are hollow idols. The very structure of the force driving their creation relies on simultaneously addressing some sort of struggle while making certain that it doesn't actually take a real stance on any actual struggle. They're metaphors but they're metaphors for nothing. They say nothing, they change nothing.
Sure? The problem with Chapo's critique of Marvel (movies and television) is that the exact same critique can be applied to literally any form of entertainment. It's interesting to hear but at the end of the day it's something they themselves contribute to, ironically because of their seemingly vehement opposition to Marvel movies and television. In other words, they're feeding the monster they claim to be against, which as I said, is interesting.
@@NobuhikuObayashi The problem with Chapo's critique is its Marvel-centricness, implying that there has never been a studio or a genre that has been dominant among a large group of people and looked at from all sorts of odd angles and perspectives (some being used to push political agendas). This is obviously ridiculous, as anyone who's heard of Westerns or karate movies would attest though those movies reached their ascendency without the pervasiveness of the Internet, when people had to interact with each other, instead of a keyboard. Though the internet made people and their perspectives much more 'noisy' because everyone is seeking attention and engagement (clicks, views, and whatnot), bringing these issues to the fore, though they've always been there as any Trekkie can attest (it was just harder to discuss these issues among large groups of people). Chapo, by focusing on one person discussing something weird and mostly nonsensical (as these discussions tend to be) are feeding the same beast they're complaining about. And I get it. They want the same attention the person they're complaining about does (and ironically enough, despite being not at all complementary to that person they're giving them exactly what they want because there's no such thing as bad attention). My point is that you don't stop people from saying stupid things by engaging them because it creates a vicious circle, which is to say people see the debate, and feed it (exactly what's happening right now, in fact) as opposed to not even bringing the ludicrous comments to anyone's attention in the first place - I haven't heard of them beyond Chapo's response to them, and likely wouldn't have. I enjoy Chapo though they're as much a part of this fucked up echo chamber as the people they criticize.
Sure? But how is the faith (it's not an accident I use that word) some people put in characters like The Avengers at all different from that they put in virtually everything? Is there any reason at all I should know what the fuck Henry Styles looks like, for instance, beyond there being a very real interest in certain parties to make it seem like I should? Today Marvel television/movies you think may be given unwarranted significance, though tomorrow it will be something else. The point being, don't blame the player, blame the game.
Interesting to see Felix change his stance on Barney when it was time to defend Barney's reckless endangerment of fans
He really does have a lot of feelings about Barney
Don't forget about the time barney used the N word
You know what I think is the closest American equivalent to Greek mythology?
Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Seriously, what could be more tragic than the story of Karl? He goes through the tortures of the damned and yet he never learns a single goddamned thing from it. He remains the same exact person the entire show. And so do the rest of the characters. Thus proving their red-blooded americanness.
I can see this.
SOMEONE STOLE IT, RACED IT AND BROUGHT IT BACK
This is the same way I feel about Married With Children. Al Bundy is an Americanized working class version of the classical Greek hero.
A fear of change and thinking reverting is advancing sums up American ideology
Seeing Karl in every episode is like watching the fate of Prometheus play out in the background of the crowded trap house I used to frequent.
Chapo is holding the Avengers’ heads underwater until the bubbles stop
They're also holding Avengers accountable.
I love Bubbles
Somebody's got to. Sadly, the bubbles just keep coming, though.
Chapo DESTROYS Avengers with truth and logic
@@frymarioball 👏👏👏👏👏👏
what if instead of wandavision it was DondaVision and all the characters are goin to jail toniiight 🎵
Fondavision and it's just about Vietnam
BoffaVision
What if it was WandaSykesvision?
hondavision and its about teenagers street racing in their lowered civic
RwandaVision and it's just Don Cheadle doing improv for 4 and a half hours at gunpoint
Chapo v Marvel is the best
That should be the new Capcom fighting game
@@bobjohnson7148 Felix would do MMA shit, Amber would have cats, etc.
@IntrepidTit If chapo started 10 years earlier you'd know there would be an official cth flash game
People are so overboard on this shit. When I was a young lad (before sick ass CGI), I collected Marvel comic books and dreamed of the day we would get these movies/shows. We have them now and for the most part I consider them relatively fun and enjoyable to watch, but not some kind of high art. Who are these people who think they are changing the world simply by watching and worshipping these movies/shows? Who are these people that thought Wandavision was some groundbreaking and original exploration of grief? Conversely, who the fuck are these people that think Marvel properties are responsible for the death of cinema or culture? If cinema or culture is dying than they would be merely symptoms, not the cause.
Typically people say "the mcu is ruining movies" as a short hand for "Disney's sole ownership of the film industry is ruining the film industry by creating a soulless, spare-every-expense content pipeline processs, releasing one 100 million dollar film every month, and financially incentivizing cinemas to push out other films as well as forcing them to give Disney a larger cut of profits," it just doesn't take as long.
You can still hate the symptoms of a disease.
Hearing a journalist call the Marvel films 'humanistic storytelling' made me realize that we have an autism epidemic in America
Thanos was Jewish? Nah, he's a Greek Cypriot surely.
I did think it was suspicious that his 'random' snap just happened to remove every Turk from Cyprus
@@jackjones4248 All the other stuff, and the Malthusian guff he used to excuse it, was just a diversion so he could do that. It's pretty obvious when you look at all his subtle references to Enosis that the Amerocentric Avengers were too dense to notice.
Thanos is a hot couch guy.
Thanos, Thanatos - no question it’s Greek
@@adamhbrennan His proper name is Thanos Papadopoulos. Not a lot of people know that.
I should confess, I haven't watched it. I saw _The Winter Soldier_ though, and that was okay. It wasn't _Lawrence of Arabia_ , but it wasn't _Meatballs 2_ either.
They’re pulp. Decent pulp, but pretty disposable.
The people who take them way too seriously is the problem (the articles they talk about are pretty awful), but I think the pod boys hatred has more to do with artistic snobbery than any political criticism.
winter solider, iron man, first captain america all are worthwhile on their own imo. lots about deep state and military industrial complex
How dare you tarnish the reputation of Meatballs II: Meatboogaloo.
We love Meatballs II: Meatboogaloo, a lot of people are saying this.
@@GayTier1Operator civil war
Winter soldier was decent and used operation paperclip as the plot instead of just finding a bad guy to invade.
7:35 Felix attempts to get a Zizek going but it fails catastrophically on startup!
The engine flooded almost immediately
What does that mean?
@@aboubacaramine8689 Slavoj Zizek is a Slovenian left-leaning philosopher and psychoanalyst who is known for his many tics, including sputtering when he speaks. You should listen to him, he's a riot and comes off as a complete madman most of the time while still delivering some important insights!
I thought Will meant Adam was in wandavision for a second LOL
that would never happen, dasha is cliqued up good with the hollywood sickos now
@@jzenhenko bruh, I did a double take when I saw her in Succession the other week. Fucking Sailor Socialism
More like 5AM
He's the new ant man
Dashavision
This is much funnier now that Wanda is basically just an evil wizard lol
"We all live in a cultural food desert" is right.. that's why I'm listening to people I don't know talk about marvel.. (all my friends love marvel or dc or w/e)
who the hell is Wan Davidson?
Juan Davidson.
The intrepid detective!
Marvel has infantilized an entire generation.
I think its the reverse. The nation/generation has been infantilized and Disney always appeals to people with an infant mentality.
Says person with Spongebob profile picture
@@shtposternutbag8207 SpongeBob is more intellectually stimulating than the Marvel cinematic universe. 100%
@@hirosavage not to break up the funny here but i think there has literally been scientific research that came to the opposite conclusion of what you just said
Disney only releases something if it already sees market potential. We were infantalized before Marvel, they just supplied the demand for sanitized capeshit adventures.
I wanted to hear Felix bugmanning about the dark souls games more :(
*_*Nietzsche intensifies_**
WE CAN AND MUST DO THE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT ONLY TOWARDS PERPETUATING THE ORDINARY!
We love it, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this. We love it, tremendous, a lot of people are saying this. WE LOVE IT, TREMENDOUS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THIS.
I was not expecting to find so many unironic capeshitters seething in the comments.
Do yo know who's parents also die?
Everyone's parents.
That show was criminally bad.
I know almost all MCU media is regurgitated nonsense, but *fuck man*
Talk about painting by the numbers. Idk who angers me more, the people that the Chapo boys righteously and hilariously ripped into, or those monotone; dimmer than dusk "comic book movie" channels on YT.
Wanda had an OK arc in WV.
If that was criminally bad to you, and not just unbearably banal, it makes me wonder what you make of the 68 hours of procedural police dramas each primetime network makes every week.
@@miserychickadee those are also bad, thanks
Wanda's arc was fine but it was insanely self-indulgent - particularly the initial few episodes. You could do a compelling piece of drama where a character creates an uncanny artificial "I Love Lucy"-style world to live in and have it play out in 5-10 minutes. There was no need to do entire episodes in the style of old sitcoms where the sitcom mostly goes as intended and barely anything happens outside of it. It felt like I was watching some weird Tumblr fandom who enjoy putting Wanda and Vision into different art styles or something, as opposed to a miniseries which is supposed to have a well-told story. Also I know it has to be made watchable for kids but it's very weird to have a largely static drama about grief end with a standard MCU flying laser battle.
@@miserychickadee he doesn't feel as special attacking something actually bad.
"None of these things have any weight in isolation, you have to see all of them". This applies double for the Star Wars fans who don't like any of the movies. They just threw darth maul in to monologue at the end of solo for no reason other than some nerd is gonna be like "I saw him get resurrected in the cartoons". They need everyone to like their extended universe bs cause they know it has no value.
Last Marvel property I watched was X-Men: First Class, and was like, "Yeah, I'm done with these."
that's cringe, if I'm being honest.
Some great riffs in this ep
Superman?
more like stupid man
@22:15 "Who gives a shit? How would that impact your enjoyment of this AT ALL?"
Vonnegut pretty much nailed it: it's granfalloons all the way down.
Our skin is a thin as a toy balloon
@@romanticplacebo3693 and with double the amount of hot air!
I don't follow Marvel movies either, in part because in order to understand anything happening in Wanda Vision, you have to have seen the last 25 movies before it and followed all the A-X plot lines. It's incomprehensible to me and I don't really care to know.
Only two points that are a bit off. The Snyder psychos definitely lean more right they love Snyder’s vision which is outright fascist and obsession with statuesque power. And the niche quality that comics had is what is so incredibly about them becoming basically the entire industry. The majority of fans over 23 know the characters by osmosis really and to anyone under they’ve been introduced by the films this is the only recycled culture they have. It’s been pumped out by the algorithm and then thrust on them constantly that when they say they love it and find these meaningful things in it they mean it. It’s not there but it’s there for them
Lets unite around the symbols of America's gun-to-your-head foreign policy and economic tyranny. But I guess if Americans should unite around something, why not something that's uniquely American.
And WandaVision is the most insane thing I have ever seen. It shows how insane a world with supes would be. Don't bother with it, though. I watched it first because the episodes are just 25 min or so. Continued because of the disconnect between content and end credits and later due to sunken cost. In other words, I had invested too much time not to see it through and it was a drag. Later episodes are much longer and it gets only worse.
Yea right you love marvel
The Eternals helped Werner Heisenberg
Kevin Feige has been real quiet after this dropped
Wandavision was ok, but maybe I watched a different show. I could swear Wanda was the villain
Wanda was absolutely the villian and what happened there would absolutely be cause for another accord demanding mutants be accountable in some way.
@@JimJamTheAdmin yeah she went nuts and enslaved a whole town because a purple monsterman killed her robot boyfriend.
@@Mark-jr6ld what is even more wild is that Loki is getting a redemption arc now, too. Why is Marvel trying to redeem characters that are/have been going around commiting war crime level things with virtually zero repercussions?
@@JimJamTheAdmin Because Marvel superheroes aren't religious icons. They're metaphors for billionaires (except for when they're literally billionaires) and corporate executives, who do hold power unimaginable to a normal person, who do commit awful crimes against humanity, and who do walk away scot-free, "regretting" their actions at worst.
Loki is just Bobby Kotick.
@@miserychickadee Shit, I like that spin actually, supplements my own hot ass take that superheros are presented as impossible, super - if you will, but only use such unimaginable (literally, apparently) power in service of perpetuating/defending the ordinary/banal.
Fortunately/unfortunately (unclear, going with the latter), I _low key_ have no idea who Loki is in Marvel (tm) (r) (c) context, aside from the trickster god archetype namesake from norse shit that I assume they named him after, as they would. And hey, if we're resorting to that ctrl c+v shit, let's at least get a character based on the only other norse thing I'm aware of after being horrifyingly intrigued discovering it and in the end settling on its grotesque dopeness, Blood Eagle (tm) (r) (c).
lol at the Michael Wolff interview suggested video following this one.
I pointed out some potentially problematic elements in recent Marvel projects with protagonist of color and got called racist, because the culture war dictates that you either love Disney or you are a bigot. It's getting exhausting, honestly, the movies too; Marvel Fatigue is setting in
The critique here holds up.
34:17 - THIS. And it's really getting shitty.
i'm bothered by the author saying that this show is "inspiring" to her. what was she inspired to do? what actions has she been called to take, what occasions has she risen to? you can just enjoy a tv show without pretending it had some profound effect on your life. this show probably didn't inspire her to do anything and instead encouraged her to retreat into comfortable fantasies as a distraction from reality.
it made her feel nice because the people on the screen were nice to each other while solving a problem
The main problem I have with the MCU is where their adaptations are weaker than the source material, ie Black Panther. Sometimes it is better than the material, like Captain America. And that pisses me off as a person who read this as a kid. I stayed away from Thor and Captain America because they were too "Aryan" (although I couldn't articulate it at the time). Yet in the Captain America movies (after the first one, although the first one make some critiques of propaganda) it is Cap versus the gov't, and that is a way more compelling story. Also Thor Ragnarok is a story about imperialism and diaspora.
Whereas in the Black Panther comic Bill Everit from the CIA is working with "Dondi Reese" (who looks identical to Condi Rice of the Dubya Admin.) Who are trying to invade Wakanda for their tech and resources, where as Disney made Shuri and her mom work with the CIA to overthrow Wakanda's gov't
Not pretending that superheroes are particularly deep (unless it is something written by Alan Moore or Warren Ellis). I fully admit I watch these movies purely for the spectacle, to mostly turn my mind off. But I'd say comics in the hands of the right author can be and have been way smarter and more subversive that these movies.
When the MCU started under Dubya's last year, the first movies were Iron Man, which showed that behind the brown terrorists was actually a white capitalist industrialist who was true threat and evil, and the Hulk's main antagonists we're the military trying to turn him into a weapon. That isn't radical, but it is subversive... Then fast forward to that awful propaganda in Falcon and Winter Soldier, it is totally hegemonic now, not really an iota of thought IMO. In that one we are supposed to root for the army superheroes to fight a bunch of kids who want to get vaccines that are just sitting there to refugee camps? WTF?
Oh god I didn’t know that about the comic. To think we could’ve had a mainstream critique of the invasion of Iraq during a time when everyone was forgetting about it is kind of frustrating.
Yeah instead of having something currently relevant like Wandavison, we could have the bush era reexamined. It's a wonder why you aren't running marvel with all these fresh ideas. They did this because it's speaks to now, not 2003. You always look like fool when you make an enemy of the talented. Marvel has dominated the film industry for a reason. They are good at what they do.
@@Oxbloodmage they are good at what they do, which is to pump out garbage propaganda movies for half-lives
Black Panther was such a trash movie. The villain is black revolution and the hero is the CIA. There's a scene where the gorilla tribe (all the others have names like mining tribe or border tribe) is periodically barking like monkeys at the CIA guy cause white people aren't allowed to talk there.
@@Oxbloodmage lol
Will is wrong, the marvel comic universe is literally a 1:1 replacement in modern society for what religion used to be. Shit is so throughout messed up that most people can only imagine a magical force being the answer.
Have you seen Irami Osei Frimpong's CZcams video about Wanda Vision?
I'm piqued. How many minutes is it?
5:49 Felix’s new special interest
It actually just hit me. We’re so bored or so helpless that all we can do as a culture is so empty politics like a critical analysis of this fluff
misogynoir is my word but you can say misogyn'wah
Crazy how that article isn’t even correct… Wanda is evil after WandaVision she fucks shit up in doctor strange like she learned no lesson because she‘a a prop with the skin of a real character 😭
No fun allowed
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The superhero movies are just a more technologically advanced Roman Collousseum.
Imagine getting swept up in culture war when politics doesnt deliver... um... yes? Imagine gravity working.
Well that's the point right? Last man shit, as the wise sage that fish guy in star wars noted, "it's a trap". In other words, the distinction is we didn't create and socially impose gravity, at least to my knowledge.
_"The ultimate hidden truth of the world is that it is something we make and could just as easily make differently."_ - the late great David Graeber
I don't know why people get so upset over comic book movies. Either people take them more serious than they're supposed to, or they do like Chapo and get mad at people taking it too seriously instead of just brushing it aside and moving through.
I just feel burnt out on seeing them. Like I thought whatever marvel movie had thanos in it first, was cool. Then it kept going and you had to see 40 other angles on the same universe, and 30 different additions release annually lol. Who has the time to keep up on this shit?
@@SteezySteez2011 So don't. No one is making anyone watch them. It's like getting mad at fast food and how many different gas stations there are. Literally stop giving a shit. It's super easy. Watch other movies. They still make them you know?
Probably because Marvel movies success are actually making it harder for other movies to be made. The grievance is legitimate. It’s not some thing in the corner that can be ignored like Swanberg/Bujalski mumblecore movies in the 2000s it’s fucking Marvel, a Walt Disney subsidiary, with an infinite marketing budget being blasted into our faces 24/7, which would be fine if I didn’t have to see nerds tell me that what is obviously the cinematic equivalent to McDonalds deserves as much respect as a Michelin star restaurant. Whatever, I don’t go to McDonalds, but I have to drive by them, and their customers are the only ones who match with me on Tinder, so I think I can bitch about it
Marvel movies are pushing out other type of movies in my cinema. Not to mention how it contributes to the commodification of movies as an art form in general.
i don't know why you'd even post this. just brush this video aside and move through.
Blackpill era Chapo been lasting too long :^(
While I have points I severely disagree with this; I cannot deny that people take popcorn films too seriously. Though I am not a fan of the take that people who do analyze the politics of these since the MCU does have a varying degree of Neoliberalism that does need to be interrogated.
Hot takes from people who didn't bother to watch the content is about as Neoliberal as it gets, but whatever, no need for integrity when one hates the MCU I guess. As to the people taking it too seriously, it could be the people making popcorn entertainment using comicbook characters the reestablishment of the inherent goodness of the American empire. Maybe they are the ones who take this shit too seriously? I could see an argument for that in the 80s where every action movie used a vet or a cop to tell an impossibly silly story. But as they say, when it's a magical witch fighting a giant ogre, are they f-ing serious? They should just say they don't like it and not watch. If anybody is a baby, it's the one who plays videogames all day bitching that other people like a different form of pop entertainment.
@@johnhorton5627 have you watched them? I like them as fun mindless entertainment, but they 100% have plenty of imperialist propaganda in them. Tons of pro military shit, etc. and pretending like being based on comic books inherently mean interrogating the politics is meaningless is absurd. Tons of comics are super political. Some with good takes some with shit takes. X men is a giant allegory for the civil rights movement. Also what do you think neoliberal means? Cuz commenting on media you haven’t watched isn’t neoliberal in any definition of neoliberal I’ve ever heard other than “whatever shit I don’t like”
@@huckthatdish When they've laughed at liberals in the media for criticizing and analyzing and freaking out about content without seeing it and then they do the exact same thing, I don't care what word somebody uses to describe the point of view of those media figures, Chapo is guilty of a ridiculous double standard. As to imperialist propaganda, I just think it's ironic they are the ones making fun of a witch fighting an giant ogre and how silly it all is to care about this stuff. One second later - this stuff must be understood as neoliberal propaganda for American imperialism. Yes, of course, comic book content is overtly political at times. That doesn't make the MCU imperialist propaganda for liberals. And there are in fact plenty of points where the government is criticized, our heroes are called murderers, so on and so on. There are lots of threads to pull, and if the only thread you're pulling is neoliberal propaganda while calling it pabulum for babies no one should take seriously, well, that's f-ing shallow at best and, really, just flat out stupid. I'd love an explanation for example of Jessica Jones as imperial propaganda. Good luck to them finding those themes in a story about sexual and physical abuse and the emotional trauma resulting from that abuse as Jessica Jones first season was.
But how any of that has anything to do with story they told on Wandavision, I have no idea. If anything, the government was one of the main antagonists, which the government consistently is in comic books stories, especially the X-Men. Perhaps stories should be evaluated on their individual merit, not on some conspiratorial grand narrative where no matter the story told, it's doing the work of imperialist propaganda? Maybe?
@@johnhorton5627 what a straw man. No one’s claiming Jessica Jones specifically is imperialist propaganda. And it’s very clear you don’t give a shit what words mean. I completely believe you there.
@@huckthatdish It's not a straw man. It's taking them at their word and wondering how in the hell they can have as absurd of a take as they do given just how much of the content could not possibly be accused of being propaganda for imperialism, which they are claiming is the overarching theme of the MCU. Finding specific themes in certain movies or shows is one thing. Ignoring all the other themes including the ones that directly contradict that take doesn't strike me as serious. And when you're calling people babies for enjoying certain content, perhaps it's best not to make laughably stupid observations. It undermines the point just a touch.
They didn't even bother to watch the show they are ostensibly criticizing, a show about dealing with trauma and grief. I saw Spider Man 3, a story about redemption. I guess grief and redemption are now synonyms for imperialism, just as sexual abuse, mental illness (Legion), I could keep going, but whatever. How about one more for fun. The plot of the punisher has the protagonist, a soldier just following orders, execute a man and bury him in the desert to cover up the crime, you know, imperialist pro military propaganda. They come off sounding embarrassing, just as their fans do when defending their stupid take. Good one on me not understanding words by the way. I wonder what boring insult will follow that one while you are continuing your embarrassing work.
The smug is off the charts here lmao. You are lesser if you enjoyed wandavision. Love the show though lol.
It's pretty clear that it's not about just enjoying it, but imbuing it with some mythic quality on top of that.
It's not about enjoying it or not. They establish that it's junk food. You can enjoy junk food it tastes good but you must acknowledge it's junk food.
I just think they're taking this shit way too seriously, same as these articles writers, but from the opposite direction. Marvel movies aren't the death of culture and they're not a gift from God. They're just entertaining little distractions from life. It ain't that deep
I'm sure they would have just as many cringe takes on that movie as they do Wandavison. I love that movie as well but that's just a preference I think plenty of their other movies are just as good.
But it is that deep and always has been that deep. You are the one trying to obfuscate its impact on cinema and culture as a whole. Why critique media at all then, according to your world view?
@@princegobi5992 Because it's not eroding culture, it's mindless entertainment but it's not the only entertainment out there. So many talented creators still put out amazing and thought provoking works. But if you're going into Endgame and looking for anything other than some mindless fun, that's on you man.
I mean I know it's Chapo but it's weird to hear them go off so pseudo-authoritatively on how unpopular and 'D-list' comics Scarlet Witch is when... that is nowhere near the case and movies Wanda like the rest of it is just a big ol' flop
Superheroes are 100% the modern reinterpretation of mythology. The symbolic, humanized, representation of the powers that rule us, the literal remnants of old gods recycled into superheroes, the plots, and especially the annoying articles that justify and praise them as our shared cultural experience and assign them real power. It may be an annoying trope, but it’s true in every way. The differences between superheroes and the ancient pantheons are simply the results of fundamental differences between our society and theirs, not a difference in their societal purpose.
For real, if the Vatican had CGI artists a thousand year ago it'd just be superman
Superheroes must return to the last profitable mean. They were written as part of a corporate cinematic universe designed to be endlessly profitable, and thus they are stripped of their humanity. Ancient mythology and legends are not constrained in this way and retain a much more human, relatable element.
@@Southlakesown Well, so do all myths under capitalism, but that just makes them the perfect equivalent of the gods for our modern era.
It's not like the stories of old gods were made without ulterior, selfish motives, nor that modern stories are devoid of humanity or reliability, either. Those stories were told in certain ways to maintain certain political orders. If the "human element" is referring to their history and their existence in the collective imagination of humanity, superheroes have that, and a big part of their history is literal mythology in many cases, while many different people interpret and imagine superheroes in a variety of different ways.
Superheros have nothing to do with mythology my god. Mythology is an example of folk culture - stories organically developed and constantly evolving through interactions within a community. They reflected the lived experiences of the people (everyone) who reproduced and lived them.
Superhero stories are mass culture carefully designed by an algorithm to generate maximum profit. You don't contribute anything, you're just fed your slop allowance from a machine that has no connection to you and exists in spite of you. And god help you if you try to repurpose corporate intellectual property for your own life.
@@19peter96 Be careful not to cut yourself on all that edge.
It’s a fun show. Not everything has to be Ingmar Bergman. It’s not as though they weren’t making stupid action comedies before Marvel.
Marvel makes it so there are less imgmar Bergman’s. Or those imgmar Bergman’s are easily assimilated in to the apparatus that is Disney/marvel.
Superheros are authoritarian memes largely.
OMG get a grip guys. No one takes these movies seriously.
I would guess the average American takes the marvel universe more seriously in their day-to-day life that any sort of organized religion or probably even government
how the fuck do they spend half their time arguing against the stupidity of culture war and the other half the time saying avengers isn't good culture because it doesn't do what art is supposed to do but they haven't even watched it? What is their gripe against it except they are fighting a culture war against it?
It's basic and uninspired. It's like they make these movies in a propaganda factory. Black Panther was originally about stopping the CIA under Rhondalisa Mice from invading Wakanda. The movie was about moderate rebels teaming up with the CIA to overthrow the dictator Wakanda who wants to lead a black revolution by distributing WMDs.
In the 90's, it was; "I don't own a television."
Nowadays; "I don't like superhero movies."
Yawn.
The ironic part is where he talks about being obsessed with MMA like a Joe Rogan-bro. 🤡
Not saying I love Salon articles that claim pop culture is super-deep, but c'mon, live a little, and if you can't do that, don't be ironic.
What if I told you, MCU is a mile wide inch deep power fantasy and it’s just fucking boring
@@alexberkowitz5897 Then don't watch it. I don't like reality tv so I don't watch it. And I don't waste my time talking about it.
But bitching endlessly about it as they do makes them as stupid as the liberals they are criticizing. Most people watch it because it's fun. And that includes a ton of working class people which these idiots are also condescending to but claim they hate it when liberal commentators do the exact same thing. The MCU is popcorn entertainment. That's it. That's how it is understood by most of its fans. Some of the stories are good, some aren't. These idiots watched the Gilmore Girls, Law and Order, etc. From my point of view, that ought to be considered pabulum for babies if that's what we call shows and movies we don't like.
@@johnhorton5627 seems like a chord was struck with you
@@BubbyBold Okay, and Wandavision triggered Chapo. What's your point? They want to say stupid things about Marvel, fair enough. But what they are saying here is stupid. It's okay to point that out.
Noooooooo! You cant make fun of my heckin CapeCrap! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!1
LMAO saying something people like is for babies just cuts so deep
Yeah right up until they are talking about the Gilmore Girls or talking about watching all the other stupid shit they watch. Right up until then it's everybody else who is a fat baby. They are such hypocrites on all of this.
One more, the Sopranos is boring, regurgitated bullshit that is every mob story. But they love that shit. Hypocrites.
@@johnhorton5627 everything is BarneY!
@@johnhorton5627 reading that comment, it sounded like you wrote it while crying.
@@minamur I wrote it while laughing at a bunch of idiots who sit around discussing dozens of mindless pop entertainment shows and movies they like whining about Marvel's popularity. They didn't even bother to watch this show before describing what it is to wider culture, pathetically mimicking every liberal hot take with their unique brand of obsessively stupid criticism of what is just popcorn entertainment. I'd argue the listlessness of Chapo these days can be traced back to their first boring tirade about Marvel. That should have been the clue they had nothing interesting left to say.
As to your comment, it's the exact wit I have now come to expect now from Chapo fans. Dull, boring humor mirroring the excruciatingly cringe hour the show has become. I still listen every once in a while to see how cringe it will get. This commentary on Wandavision is way up there on the cringe list of their increasingly insipid, tiresome content.
@@johnhorton5627 yeah agreed, on pop culture I just think they have terrible taste to be honest. They want to go against the grain and it just comes off try hard.
This is the only podcast left on CZcams or anywhere that I can listen to that still shits on liberals. Being on the right leaves you no home but what else is new?
you can go listen to ben shapiros boring ass if youre desperate enough. also theres trillions of right wing radio programs
You still have no home. There is a difference between left and liberal, if you would bother to actually listen to their critiques of things. Now keep roaming along.
This is a communist podcast
Politics is the same. They essentially do a marvel fan podcast
Yeah! Metaphor in fantasy is STUPID! We're so cool and intellectual!
Metaphor in fantasy is fine. But these are hollow idols. The very structure of the force driving their creation relies on simultaneously addressing some sort of struggle while making certain that it doesn't actually take a real stance on any actual struggle. They're metaphors but they're metaphors for nothing. They say nothing, they change nothing.
what fantasy? libs literally believe they’re harry potter.
gottem
It's a fucking comic book story.
capeshit is for babies lmfao
Sure? The problem with Chapo's critique of Marvel (movies and television) is that the exact same critique can be applied to literally any form of entertainment. It's interesting to hear but at the end of the day it's something they themselves contribute to, ironically because of their seemingly vehement opposition to Marvel movies and television.
In other words, they're feeding the monster they claim to be against, which as I said, is interesting.
@@NobuhikuObayashi The problem with Chapo's critique is its Marvel-centricness, implying that there has never been a studio or a genre that has been dominant among a large group of people and looked at from all sorts of odd angles and perspectives (some being used to push political agendas).
This is obviously ridiculous, as anyone who's heard of Westerns or karate movies would attest though those movies reached their ascendency without the pervasiveness of the Internet, when people had to interact with each other, instead of a keyboard.
Though the internet made people and their perspectives much more 'noisy' because everyone is seeking attention and engagement (clicks, views, and whatnot), bringing these issues to the fore, though they've always been there as any Trekkie can attest (it was just harder to discuss these issues among large groups of people).
Chapo, by focusing on one person discussing something weird and mostly nonsensical (as these discussions tend to be) are feeding the same beast they're complaining about.
And I get it. They want the same attention the person they're complaining about does (and ironically enough, despite being not at all complementary to that person they're giving them exactly what they want because there's no such thing as bad attention).
My point is that you don't stop people from saying stupid things by engaging them because it creates a vicious circle, which is to say people see the debate, and feed it (exactly what's happening right now, in fact) as opposed to not even bringing the ludicrous comments to anyone's attention in the first place - I haven't heard of them beyond Chapo's response to them, and likely wouldn't have.
I enjoy Chapo though they're as much a part of this fucked up echo chamber as the people they criticize.
Man Felix is getting kind of annoying
He's always been tbh
I'm glad I'm not alone on this
Sure? But how is the faith (it's not an accident I use that word) some people put in characters like The Avengers at all different from that they put in virtually everything? Is there any reason at all I should know what the fuck Henry Styles looks like, for instance, beyond there being a very real interest in certain parties to make it seem like I should?
Today Marvel television/movies you think may be given unwarranted significance, though tomorrow it will be something else.
The point being, don't blame the player, blame the game.
Marvel isn’t just a player.
@@princegobi5992 Because being the most successful studio means nothing at all? Not in this reality at any rate.