40 S&W vs. 357 SIG vs. 9MM vs. 45 ACP (Part 3) (FMJ Polycarbonate Test)
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- Penetration test between the 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 9MM, and 45 ACP.
Firearms used:
M&P 40 Pro series. 4.25" barrel
M&P 357 4.25" barrel
M&P 9 4.25" barrel
M&P 45 midsize 4" barrel
Ammo used:
.40) WWB 180gr fmj
357) WWB 125gr fmj
9mm) WWB 115gr fmj
.45) WWB 230gr fmj - Sport
Love my 357sig. Awesome round with lots of energy.
your channel is awesome! it is the kind of channel I have been looking for !!
please keep posting your videos!
looking forward to seeing more videos like that!
thank you
My Sig 226 in .357 Sig. is my most favorite pistol....results speak for themselves. Good review.
Fantastic comparison of 4 calibers 👍👍
I'm happy with the Glock 27 .40 cal and using 165 grain Remington BJHP Bonded Golden Saber it drops a 300 Lbs. hog without a problem.
A proud owner of a Glock 32, 357 SIG.
Me too, Gen4 G32
ndiaz0417 I'll soon be also it's on its way 😁
Nice choice. I went with the g23 and I love it but if I had of known about the 357sig at the time I would have bought the g32
@@archiecunningham3734 I have the g23 with the 357 Sig conversion barrel in it. Works perfectly 👍 drop in and ready to go!
Me 3 but I hate the finish on my 4th gen g32
thats why i love 40 and 45. they pack a hard hitting punch, still have alot of energy to make it through barriers and hit intended target, they cause alot of damage transferring max energy into the intended target and over penetration is minimal. Can't pistol whip them results.
alex serrano that .45 definitely hit the target HARD!
The Penetration Channel this is a good vid man thanks for posting.
Failure to penetrate deep enough can be a bad thing, there's reason the FBI set a 12in minimum penetration. Depositing energy in the target is a good thing except pistols don't have enough to start with so penetration is what you want.
KingLT82 he shot at hard target material guy. The penetration was perfectly fine. I have done my own tests and there are plenty other vids that prove the .40 short and .45 penetration power.
alex serrano
Too many pd loads in 45 fail to penetrate 12in in gel tests. The 40 however does it consistently with common pd rounds. I use 357Sig personally, it's my edc.
Seems like the .357 Sig would be devastating in a sub machine gun.
Yeahh and the h & k mp5 in 40 caliber would shoot them if they have a 357 sig barrel for them, cause the 357 sig and 40 use the SAME MAGS, THE 357 SIG is a 9 mm lead necked down in a 40 caliber casing, a FUKKN fast bullet!!!
@Jack Wells More like 357 SIG = 9mm +P++, it'll push a 125gr to 1500 from a 4"
@@jameshargroder7090 mp357 🤯
10mm casing
Looks like the .357sig is badass!
This is the last time I subscribe to a channel based on a faulty notion from its name.
Sorry to disappoint, but there IS penetration of some type going on on this channel. Thanks for watching.
Nice video!
interesting test good job
ParasidicGeneration thanks for watching!
Excellent
Great, thank you
Seems like 357 Sig has been gaining in popularity. That's a good thing I've had one for years are personally love it
Thanks for watching.
Nice video
Excelente prueba! muy claro se ve la penetración en campo real.
great news... at the cheapest prices besides 22LR, looks like I'm sticking with my good old 9mm!! Thanks!
these tests confirm why I like the 357 sig around the ranch. I usually carry with the speer gold dots, but would like to try out some of the maxed out stuff like Underwood. looking forward to what you come up with next.
me myself and I thanks for watching.
me myself and I I have some underwood and there is a difference in recoil. it's a stronger push from underwood. I love underwood. their 45 super rounds are great also.
Another awesome video. Keep them coming. Appreciate it.
That's one of the many reasons I have a 2340 and P250 in .357 Sig.
That 9mm 125Gr ++PP++ (357 Sig) is doing some damage. lol
Why 180 grain on the 0.40? I believe 155 or 165 grain would have been more representative and penetrated further.
He’s using the same ammo for each (wwb), and for .40 it comes in 180gr.
@@mr_pureness2905 wrong
No
@@Subtlenimbus
165gr and 180gr
I agree you're totally right he used the two heaviest rounds for the 40 caliber and the 45 caliber he should have used 135 grain or 155 grain for the 40 caliber the guys know what they're doing their purposely doing that
I've been wanting to get a p229, and haven't been able to decide the caliber. .357 sig is a winner now lol!
Wish you`d test the middle weights off all these calibers. 9mm-124gr .357-135gr 40 S&W-165gr .45ACP-200gr 10mm-180gr
I think the results of the experiments would be more accurate... 180gr & 230gr are the heaviest weights for the .40 &.45 Cool video nonetheless!
What you said except keep 125 gr 357 and use 165 gr for 10mm. That way you maintain roughly equal sectional density with all five cartridges.
Totally agree with you I believe the outcome would have been totally different
In another test the 9mm was the winner, probably the type of round and grain makes all the difference.
XD .357 sig here! Perfect winter caliber, a great all around caliber for home and personal defense , nearly barrier blind!
Nice job on the video. I recently switched from 9mm to 357 SIG as my carry gun (G32).
TDDSTL Either of those is a great choice! Thanks for watching.
TDDSTL I also have the 32. Great gun.
I Also switched from 9mm to a G32.
Good job on all 3 vids. I usually only test HPs, so this was good info for me. I do carry all 4 calibers, but the .357 was an eye opener! Your test methods were sound, consistent and repeatable with different media. Awesome!
TDDSTL - How do you like your G32? I am thinking of purchasing a G32 as my EDC/SHTF gun. I've been using 9mm forever.
N *aaaan* millemeter
He really likes Winchester white box and M&P
thanks for the video, it's very cool, but if you will shoot fire wood rounds .45 and 9mm? In the past, video was only .40 and .357, it would be nice to see the same conditions, and other calibers
If were talking penatration and pistols I'm going with the sig 220 or glock 20 in 10mm
My favorite gun is a 357
Thank you for taking time to make this video. Did you do the same test with the 10 mm? If so what panel was the 10 mm stopped on? Thank you
Would like to see you do this test with carry ammo instead of ball ammo.
.357 sig is my favourite pistol caliber I have a Glock 31 gen 4
Interesting to see those round's effects on hard plastic. As we all know from one of the shootouts the FBI had a while back, 40 and 45 are preferred by modern policemen, but some PDs and Special forces use the high pressure 9mm. Based on cost though, I'm choosing a cheap 40/45 over cheap 9mm. Never know when the good 9mm will run out.
I recently gave away a highly modified G32C to go to a FAR better cartridge than 357 SIG. Even better than the 9X23. 9X25 DILLON!
Proud Glock 23 owner 🤘🏽
At what distance were you shooting?
I would like to see 22 tcm to see how it would do.
The caliber debate rages on based on denim and gel and it’s not an end all it’s really step one. Step two is to add a bone with the same strength and density as the 206 human bones. I’m been both lucky and fortunate to get facts on this topic. Funny thing in this hobby when you try to help people some don’t want it like they just want to be right and we can have that attitude with sports or fishing or other hobbies but in some cases in this hobby lives are on the line! This one we have to get right. I will try and make a long story short on how I got these facts and touch on the findings. I’ve always been fascinated by ballistics and firearms I read and studied every book, research papers and articles on the topic I could. I went in totally unbiased on both caliber and ammunition because who gives a shit what caliber or anmo does the most damage we just have to get it right. In any case the first 8.5 years of my career I worked as a trauma surgeon in an ER in a violent city before moving to orthopedics for the last 10.5 years. Ironically after a gunshot victim passed one night on my table I went outside to clear my head and a officer approached me asking about the extent of the injuries and if he made it turns out he was a total gun/ballistic nerd like myself clearly for different reasons he was trying to stay alive nightly. Long story short when weapon were collected or cases we would get the information on caliber and ammunition used and we set out to collect data and fortunately another surgeon who was one of the best with 30 years in trauma joined us. So documented internal damage based on caliber and ammunition used clearly we didn’t see them all but we documented what we did see on top of that we conducted field tests on many other types of ammo using the above test then introducing comparable bone between the 4 layers of denim and the fbi gel block. The third phase was then car doors and windows with the denim, bone and gel nor for me and the fellow surgeon did the officer who’s captain joined us. So the field tests were compared to what we seen on the operating table then compared to ballistics charts and winners and losers in both ammunition and caliber. The bones we collected were either from hunters or slaughter houses I consulted a specialist at the hospital what would be the closest to human bone because the rib cage is clearly in the way for center mass shots. So a quick synopsis my colleague and I also consulted a bunch of other trauma surgeons to see if their findings matched ours as well. The calibers that do the most damage to the body consistently are 357 magnum by far the best I’ve seen then tied for second 10mm and 357 sig. with that said every caliber has a specific weight that works best for example 9mm 115gr or 40 cal 155/165gr. No matter what caliber you decide to protect yourself with look at a ballistic chart and see what grain bullet in your caliber provides the most FPS and energy. If you want more info as to why that is just hit me up I could type all day on this we have a ton of data. Now to anmo we were shocked to find out the most popular mainstream ammo that passes phase one the best would shit the bed once bone was introduced which automatically fails out of the test, I promise you we need ammo that don’t give a shit about bone! Some of the mainstream brands that failed for example HST and Hornady. Here is a few that passed all phases of tests with flying colors Underwood extreme defender, Double Tap Bonded DT, ICC Duty and Defense. Quick story I had never heard of that ICC ammo in my life even after all the research I did early in the process anyway it’s a frangible round that somehow even kicks and windshields ass then the denim then the bone function frangible in the gel block and STILL penetrated 7 inches but we weren’t shocked at that point after see what it did to this poor gentleman that was shot with it and that’s how we found out about it. If anyone would like more info feel free to hit me up our whole goal was for ourselves and any good person who is a self defender to keep them and their families safe!
I carry a p320 in.357sig I like the underwood 115 gr @1550 FPS it’s a bad round. I LOVE IT. THE 357sig is not for babies
Were you aware that Underwood has a new XD round that needs testing. It's a 65 gr XD round that has a velocity of 2100 FPS! Not a typo 2100 FPS with 635 ft/lbs of energy, only been out for a few weeks.
My carry gun is glock 32 357
I didn’t know S&W had a 357 Sig
Penetrating a hard target and penetrating a soft target (flesh) are different. Small fast projectiles tend to do less damage in soft tissue. It’s hollow hollow points were developed and still being improved.
Lol,dont tell that to a 223.
@@paulscountry456 It is so bad, the .mil has been working to change it since 9-11. Small and fast is great with punching through armor. Many shots with an M4, not so much. In fact, the 5.56 went through a huge change because the M855 only works in specific conditions. The M193 worked much better, meaning more conditions, when shot from a 20 inch barrel.
@@nickma71 The 65 grain 357 sig Underwood extreme defender out of my 226 will chrono 2189 fps,I have shot every boutique round in 357 through various barriers and media and nothing comes close to the damage and penetration .
@@paulscountry456 Agreed about high speed penetration of objects like that. Armor piercing is fast moving narrow caliber bullets.
@@nickma71 i have many videos on 357 sig on my channel,my most popular by far and many other calibers,I can tell you I have shot more watermelon than anyone in history and the extreme defender really gets them better than any hollowpoint...lol
So Stormtrooperarmor works against .40 an .45.
ASMR Labs at least four layers of it...haha.
Finally something it works against, cause it doesn't seem to help with any weapon in Star Wars or even blunt force from melee attacks SMH.
Great video but it would have been cool if you added maybe .380 and 10 mm as well but awesome video anyways.
Thanks for watching.
Do a comparison with Hollow point shells
is that polycarbonate or is the acrylic? very different. They use layered polycarbonate in bullet proof glass. They do not use acrylic. I don't think polycarbonate cracks like that.
If this is some kinf of polycarbonate it is not the strongest one, and it doesn't crack as you said. I have some experiencee, and I estimated that 1 sheet should take 150-200 jouls and I was guessing real PC wood have all bullets stopped on the 4 layer at most and that already 3rd layer would become a real challenge on deformed projectiles. often holes will close back in more.
Great video. I have HK 40 cal.. Was going to switch barrel out to 357 Sig.. I carry 135 gr . For $200 not sure if the difference would be worth it ? Thanks for the video !
Eric Leslie the added benefits are not worth $200. If you are using your HK for defensive purposes, then some 165gr. .40 will serve you just fine. Thanks for watching.
I load 150gr up to about 1350fps which gives me the best overall penetration through various media/combinations. expansion is more consistent than the 135gr. just my 2 cents worth
Not to criticize your ammo selection or to nitpick, but you probably would of been better ofd with the .40 S&W Underwood 135-grain JHP that's rated at 1,400 FPS. The Extreme Penetrator was meant to perform better in soft body tissue although because of the low pressure it was loaded under. Just saying, wanna see .40 S&W get a fair shake because it 'doesn't suck' by any means.
Vincent Slone no problem..I welcome the feedback. I agree that the 40 S&W is a fine round. Perfectly adequate for defensive purposes. Sometimes the .40 is in my edc rotation. However I mostly carry 9mm. Thanks for taking the time to watch, and comment. I plan to upload some tests featuring these calibers that more accurately represent a defensive role to further examine the performance of self defense ammo.
Wonder how a shock test would work Shock vs penetration .
id like to see a pen test between 357 sig and 357 mag to see how close or far from similar they are.
Joel Sharman that sounds good. I would like to see a test were he finds a 357 Sig round that matches or beats the penetration and stopping power of the 357 magnum.
Joel Sharman Most manufacturers have downloaded the .357 Sig, Underwood is only one loading it to its original design (125 gr bullet traveling at 1450 fps)...to match the .357 magnum in 4" barrel. The other issue is many manufacturers loaded the .357 Sig using 9mm bullets and that is why they fragment easily at the higher velocities...I think Speer, Barnes, Corbon, and Golden bonded Remington bullets are few that were designed for the .357 Sig
Underwood .357 Magnum 125 grain XTP (Item #123) advertised velocity is 1700 fps. Through my Ruger GP100 5" barrel chronographs at 1760 fps and 1750 fps through my Ruger Blackhawk 4.6" barrel. Really not even a remotely close comparison between the two cartridges.
The Sig was never designed to keep up with a high powered 357 Magnum rounds just the most widely used/sold one at the time a 125 grain 1450 fps round and it can beat that. I have a 125 grain Underwood the box says 1475fps but it chronos at an Average of 1568 fps and 682 ft ibs. Also I can carry 15 +1 in my S&W M&P soo sounds like a winner to me.
Good day i have request 40 cal.vs 45 acp hollowpoint,vs water Mellon ballistic and pork ribs ballistic
The .40 hits hard. Glad I shoot it.
I do not understand why you do not use the 10 mm in any of your test
i bet a 155 grain 40s&w fmj would have extreme penatration....
Make a test with .38 super auto.
.44 Magnum? at what time a video
I would hate to be standing behind the guy who gets shot with a .357 sig looks like I am dead as well....That is one reason I carry .45 the other is the spigot it opens in the human body =)
How far from the target were you?
15-20 yards.
Those are cartridges going into those handgun magazines. Bullets are what hit the targets.
The "PENETRATION CHANNEL", HA HA NO PUN INTENDED??
Why did you bother with the 40? Run a sig 10mm and retest think you are going to be in for a surprise
357 sig gets the penetration and yet the 45 acp makes bigger holes. Interesting.
Well it is .355" vs .451" or 9mm vs 11.5mm
if someone with a board attacks you....don't shoot the board.......use the 45 acp on the person with the board........your welcome!
Lol. It has stopping power straight forward. If a person ever has a straight 25 foot shoot. With. A naked person. Hand jacket denim. Running. lol. Alll have to take into account. And. A true shooter is aware of where his or her surrounding rooms are and where to hit the target. 45 to heavy. 40 is great just not enough for wall penentration then through a human. Lol.
4:29 um
The better round for penetration in 9x19 is 124 gr NATO FMJ. It's also the best all-around round for SHTF.
include 7.63 Tokarev in penetration test and see the result. 357 will look like nothing against it.
smawkm Tokarev ammo is steel core surplus mostly so no surprise it penetrates better.
@@916fanatic1 plus, what guns and ammo are available in the Tok? None that I'd trust my life with.
BAD TEST! I love your testing/comparison vids but the wood blocks were poorly positioned causing the 45 ACP and 9MM to go thru several pieces of wood plus the plastic sheets while the 40 & 35 didn't. Check the 3:13 time line to see where each bullet hit then go back to 1:22 and you can see the 9mm probably penetrated tw o pieces of wood and at 1:33 the 45ACP would have had to hit 4-5 pieces of wood.
The 357 sig is in no way even close to a 357 mag. Not going to happen. Not in Reality. Now if you want a screaming demon that puts all of the above in the dirt. Convert your Glock 20 like I did to a 9x25 Dillon . All I had to do was change the barrel out and that's it. $125 from K@m . It's a 9mm bullet stuck in a 10 mm shell. With underwood Ammo I'm 2000 fps .It's only downfall is it's extremely loud. It used to be a wildcat round . It'll eat those 4 calibers alive. 15+1 screaming demons. I feel safe in the mountains without my shotgun. Peace.
I'm not sure exactly what purpose this video is supposed to serve, since you used the lightest possible commercial grain loadings on the 9mm and .357 sig (115gr and 125gr respectively) but the heaviest possible commercial loadings for the .40 and .45 (180gr and 230gr respectively).
This test would have made much more sense if you had used 140gr for the .40S&W and 165gr for the .45ACP. Everyone knows that velocity is what penetrates barriers, and so by using the heaviest possible commercial loading for .40S&W and .45ACP, compared to the lightest possible commercial loading for the 9mm and .357 Sig, you have absolutely skewed your results, intentionally or unintentionally makes no difference.
No, 140 gr 40 and 165 gr 45 would be too light. You want to match sectional density. An appropriate comparison would have been 124 gr 9mm vs 125 gr 357 vs 165 gr 40 vs 200 gr 45. All four of those have roughly equal sectional density.
Why don't you look down, pick up the slugs, and show them? Duh.
"HAVE" not "HAS" made it through.
Yup 357 sig all day. Shooting through door wasys. Car doors. Windows etc in personal defense makes sense for people who say over penetration. Well a 125 hallow point will stop and expand 15 inch in BS gel. What about denim Thick jackets and coasts these thugs and crack bear swear. Mmmm. 357 alllllll dayyyyu.
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