Greatest Fold Ever?! Doug Polk vs. Phil Hellmuth
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And why the f do you give away the answear? Title should say ”CAN Doug Polk make the greatest fold ever”?. Jesus.
Please stop showing clips in the beginning it ruins the video!!!!
The best part about this is that Phil can't openly throw a temper tantrum. If he does he gives away that Doug made the correct play. Love it
so he IS capable of restraint 🤔lol
@@GrowwithJoker Nah, he gets annoyed when he's bested by luck. This time he made the mistake and was bested by Polk.
@@GrowwithJoker Every narcissist is capable of restraint when their reputation is on the line, they are the most insecure people on earth.
@@Duzykutas 100% correct . Helmuth is the classic narcissist.
This shows that it is all an act on Phil's part. He's not blowing up because that is his personality, most times. It is a smaller part but he recieved so much attention, press, and sponseorship $$$ in the early 2000s for a couple of authentic blow ups that he created a monster. Older now, you can tell he is much calmer and only acts at most blow ups (IDK if it is staged w Tony G, lol) If he was still authentically blowing up he wouldn't do the calculus to decide not to blow up here to not give away data on his hand strength.
This is just a standard fold for the great Mike Postle.
Haha
I could only have folded this by playing Crotch Theory Optimal
Comment rep for this one!
lol
😂😂😂
Most players would almost insta-call here and Doug instantly knows something is up. Very impressive. Bravo Maestro
Yeah, I completely agree, if Polk had called this off I don't think anyone would've criticised him.
Profesional players can somehow read other opponents a lot better. The confidence and instantly all in made Polk wonder what kind of sick hand Phil had. Phil should have just kept calling and put all in the river, so then I would not think Polk would think Phil had that sick hand.
@@jout738 there is way too many cards that could come that would kill the action. The board pairing, any spade, a queen, a 10, a 7. I like a raise there, but just not such a massive raise. He could call but then needs to hope a blank comes and raise the turn. Fading all those action killing cards on the turn and the river is risky
@@jout738 Totally agree. If anyone misplayed the hand, it was Hellmuth. I never win with the small-end straight.
@@jout738 I guess he was trying to make it look like A10 of spades or some draw
"He's got Q 10, he's got Q 10 you gotta pay him off" 🤣🤣🤣
The difference between Doug and whoever that is!
He could sell a few cars and make up that amount. His family owns half of Wichita, KS.
Steven. Big fish
It's actually a reasonable comment from that guy. Longterm winrate isn't decided by these ridiculous cooler hands, inexperienced/bad players focus on them more than they should because they feel important because they're big pots, but they're so rare compared to all the smaller pots. Winrate is much more determined in all those small-medium spots, not whether you call off the 2nd nuts vs the nuts on the rare occasions it occurs. A strong winning player in this game could call off T7 there and it wouldn't be bad. Doug Polk is just on a different level to even other winning players, and obv knows what Hellmuth is like.
From a pure mathematical/EV perspective, he's absolutely right. But the difference between the great and the phenomenal is exactly this, the ability to make these non-statistically sound but correct decisions. Phil Ivey was the king at that for a long long time.
@@DjLota indeed. And sometimes it's better to play the man and not the board
Honey he raised with a Q 10
It was an aggressive call 😎
first thing i thought about.....I BET YOU CANT EVEN SPELL POKER
😂
@@erokbossan420 polker
😂😂😂
What a crazy fold by Polk. Dudes were very disrespectful with the table talk
phil woulda talked during a hand like this...
They were making side bets on Phil's hand. It happens all the time with the degens that play at these nosebleed stakes, including by Phil Helmuth. It sucks when you're in the hand, but hypocritical for any of them to call out somebody else for doing the same thing
I agree, nobody would have folded that. Nobody.
No, the difference is, phil Hellmuth doesnt talk about either of their hands while they are in a pot, huge difference. Phil i believe has always respected doug polk and i think even more now.
I have to admit that a few years ago doug polk annoyed the crap out of me, but i have grown to respect him and he seems like an awesome dude.
They were just having a good time
Such an awesome fold. I think the main thing to realize is that he had committed so little to the pot, $7700 I think it was. So when Phil shoved 97K into a pot of 13K, he can talk himself into getting away from the hand. The way he got Phil talking to get even more information was even more awesome.
doug isnt one to be fooled by the sunk cost fallacy
doesnt matter where the money in the pot came from, just which decision at the present moment is highest ev
A bet that big is usually a sign the player is on a draw .
@@NicoSportscardsand you’re so assured of your thinking here, so you make the call, and you lose. That’s why this clip is incredible
@@NicoSportscardsIf Phil were drawing, he would have called with someone else behind, hoping he gets better pot odds. He wouldn't shove one of them out.
@@NicoSportscards not with two behind usually... You don't want people to actually call you when you're drawing
Hands down best fold I've seen in a long time. Ive let go of sets before. But flopping the 2nd nuts an laying it down. Hats off to doug. Great fold
This is the best fold i ever seen with the worst table talk and atmosphere.
Wtf ur not allowed to fold that hand. too many 2p set draw combos too little nuts like 5/100. And also carrying str blocker with ten. U fold that u lose in long run.
@@awwitsHurts LOL, totally an *online* players perspective (now go on and tell me what a great live player you are)
Very true.. with all this shit things happening around the table which is very bad when a guy has to make decision for 90k.. Polk's read and fold was world class.. Pure stuff
@@awwitsHurts Not with PH.
@@awwitsHurts
Maybe if Polk is playing Viktor Blom he can’t fold, because Isildur1 probably has 3x the amount of bluffs Hellmuth has. If you introduce for instance KTo with 1 spade, and include lots of nut flush draws and TT, the equity starts to approach the 45% needed. This is Hellmuth. And then Hellmuth starts talking 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Thinking like “you are not allowed to” is limiting and small-minded and makes you lose...
There are no words to describe just how quickly I would have pushed my chips in the middle with 10-7 there
I wouldn't even ask for the count actually
There are no words to describe how gleefully I would have snap called
What about "instantly" lol
Lets say u n villain have 100k behind. U bet 2k on the flop and villain pushes all in. Even if u have the best hand, what is villain pushing with? Even if villain has a flush draw hes still 30% to win the pot. U risk 100k for that or lose 2k? Rather let villain have it n wait for a better spot.
@@webguy943 so you’re essentially saying you wouldn’t take the 70% of 100k, that’s not how poker works mate
"what could you easily have?" Had me in stitches
Sufficiently mocking to get Hellmuth to run his mouth. He's such a terrible liar, too.
I like that last moment where he confirms it in a second to himself and folds "It doesn't make sense", not sure how he found a hole but it was brilliant
Very disrespectful table talk.
Absolutely brilliant from Doug. I loved to see Phil face when he saw T7.
I'm sure he died a little inside after that fold lol
he knew when he started talking that he made a 90k mistake
Phil must've felt like a fish
His brain must of melted lol
I agree. I think that he's so used to playing with rich casual players that he can get to call him by talking. He loves to talk anyway and can't hardly shut up when he's nervous but I think it gets him paid in the games he's used to paying in
Those idiots in the background were so out of line making those side bets, and chattering on about it too. Also demanding Phil to turn over his hand shows an absolute lack of class, when they're not even in the hand.
Absolutely. I cursed at them through the screen. So disrespectful.
Yeah, I'm turning into one of those guys that curses at the screen. Not proud.
Phil hellmuth sure don't give people respect when he call people idiots during WSOP. Why he deserves any respect now
@@tsze06 That doesn't even make sense what you wrote.
@@tsze06 Is that a question or a statement?
Stop tapping the glass
Helmuth spoiled it by first downgrading his hand, while a straight was so obvious a scenario. But him starting of with sets; that's obviously telling Polk: 'I got something better than a set'. And then secondly by showing so openly he shouldn't have talked at all by being a statue after that. Legendary instincts from Polk there!
He should have said he had a straight if he was going to say anything.
Exactly. The "what could i possibly have is terrible aswell". It's like amateur chatting. The play snt very brilliant either. With a turn he probably can get Doug Polk too deep in the pot and win it all.
Phil definitely said enough to get Doug to fold, and Phil definitely should have known what to say OR should have known to say nothing.
Agreed, he lost it when he tried to start selling it. Plus Phil has always been a bully, so when he is looking like hes making a bush league move. Something is off, keep it moving.
@@eirtars😊p😊0p
Besides the brilliant and incredible fold by Polk, my favorite part of this video is when Hellmuth realizes he misplayed this hand so badly. You can see him shrivel up, he is painfully embarrassed but doesn't want to show it. He should have gotten a monster payout from this hand, just bad.
Looks like the sort of thing someone would do in a tourney. Phil is a terrible cash player
When Phil said blockers, Doug knew immediately he had the nuts.
Phil was referring to the HBO show, cos he sure as fuck doesn't know about hold em blockers LUL
I like the way he drew it out though....another couple minutes of fake anguish when his decision had been made right where you said.
Yeah, he had blockers to the nut straight.
Yup. Gave his hand away. Phil is an idiot haha
phil should of never said anything
“Could you have a set? I don’t think you'd have a set here. Cmon Phil you’re better than that”-soooo epic Doug
🥶😂
Polk is forever goated in my book now
polk is a bitch
@@tsotas1967 Are you going to comment that nonsense on every thread here lol
@@schroederluck7984 always! POLK IS A BITCH!
The best fold ever. He is a genius and all those “poker players” around table can kiss his feet.
Best fold ever? Nah. AA vs A9 is the best
@@anonymousperson3023 have you seen that when that one girl folded quuens full? Dude got aces full, that is best fold what i have seen
Fishman's preflop fold of AA will always be the "best fold" in poker history.
@@Seven_Leaf Watching him fold I was like “why would you do that” but it all made sense
@@joeyhk3125just because it’s a big hand doenst mean it’s better. The way action went on preflop, the actual chances of the guy having Kings or AQ or AK for a better full house was insanely high. I’d still not fold but there were enough info to think that makes sense. This tho….literaly there is no real information. Why would he put phill on exactly QT? That’s the impressive part.
Never really payed attention to Doug that much but after seeing this I’m convinced he might be one of the greatest. I would never be able to get away from that
I have to agree with you.
He is. He’s by some distance the best poker player I have watched and he even added different aspects to his live game like the chat to get information and picking up on tells. He’s an incredible player.
@sinking1902 the greatest poker player of all time is incredibly subjective.
He is considered the best NLHE heads up player and one of the first to use GTO
@@dimitrism.1814 GTO has been getting used for decades they just didn't call it that and they didn't use computer solvers to calculate the optimum play.
Honestly the second Hellmuth started talking about blockers I knew Doug knew he had the nuts. That's the most non-Phil thing he could have ever said. Hellmuth trying to give off reverse tells is hysterical.
It does make me wonder that if Phil said absolutely nothing, does Polk call?
Hellmuth is known as a tight player and he seems too comfortable.
How is that a reverse tell? He’s just trying to seem weak when he’s strong.
@@mikegoodwin5951 Definition of a reverse tell, lol.
@@mscolli3 No thats literally just a tell. Its actually a clasic tell. A reverse tell would be acting strong when strong. Go back to school kid.
"Lays down a monster. Should have paid me off on dat. Da F did you lay that down?" Throws oreos.
Best comment ever 🤣
Not hungry?
Mr. Son of a bitch
Let's play some cards
Pay dyat myan hees muunnyyy ~
This son of beech all night he chek chek chek...
One of the greatest lay downs I’ve ever seen. Great great great fold...
Excellent poker by Doug, very intelligent and patient play
“I could easily have ... you know” Hahaha I burst out laughing!
Yeah that was painful. Watching him try and talk him into a call
love the comment at the end. He nailed it "Hellmuth feels embarrassed, he acting like he wants to see the other two cards because he was looking for a pair (or a spade)"
One of the finest lay downs ever.
Doug Polk: "Doug Polk made a terrible lay down there."
Kaplan's commentary on this hand is brillant as well. The understanding of the situation, the words, the ton. Just brillant. True legend of the game. Instant classic hand. Thank you guys.
So well said.
He doesn't understand modern players, you can tell when he goes "he can't possibly be putting him on queen ten"
Doug doesn't think in terms of cards or reads, but ranges and mathematics
@@dxfifa QTo is not typically in the range of EP pre flop raisers though, that was more of a read from Doug because of his massive overbet into two aggressors. He says it out loud when he says "you'd have to beat him and me there's no way"
That wasn't ranges or mathematics. That was a read on Phil's play and probably his behaviour gave it away too, Phil was as giddy as a school girl trying to hide behind his hands.
@@youbetzler It's phil helmuth in a televised 6max game with obvious whales at the table. Not GTO Gary or Balanced Bill grinding 20NL
@@dxfifa Phil Helmuth still doesn't often raise with QTo in EP... I mean he has a famous blowup about getting called off with QTo.
I mean if you're including QTo in his standard EP raising range, then you're including just about every playable hand which means your EV on a call is through the roof.
So either way you sell it, there's no mathematics and ranges involved in that play. It's just a simple read on a really poor shove followed by poor theatrics.
Doug asked for a count, which meant he intended to call initially, then he saw Phil being goofy, thought about how silly that raise was and deduced that he had the nuts from that.
Gabe's commentary during this hand was absolutely S+ tier. So great to have him back
I consider him the best poker commentator. He teaches the audience as he commentates.
100% agree. Gabe is simply incredible for the game
Seriously. Just perfect.
Much better than the annoying commentators that do WSOP.
Gabe is the goat no doubt.
I just love watching this over and over again.
wow. new respect to Doug Polk. Not only did he read that right, but he was dealing with all of the other stuff going on with the other guys and side-bets. Nerves of steel
Yes 100 percent. Balls of steel man. Sick sick lay down....it was a very quick all in from philly though...should have pondered a little more lolol
He gets my respect
Out of all the spots that have tilted Phil the most, this tops everything. His whole thing is setting up a trap....and here he is, gets the most perfect cooler absolutely possible and gets practically nothing. This ends him.
Not sure it ends him but this gotta be so tilting to him.
He might've gotten a call if he kept quiet.
Best thing about this is that he would win everyday if it was only skill 😂😂
This isn’t even tilt, it was shame. He didn’t showed his hand for a specific reason lol
he played his hand very suspicious. That check - 3bet raise all-in in the flop with him being the pre flop raiser was ultra suspicious. I don't like how he played this hand at all. Probably a better strategy would have to make a normal c-bet, polk would probably raise that, call the raise, and then in the turn probably check raising all-in in the turn.
Mad respect for Polk after seeing that. ...And staying focused with those guys chatting away.
This Is Absolutely The Best Fold Ever Shown In The History Of Televised poker !!!! That Fold Truly Separates A Good Player From A Great Player.....
For Doug Polk, it was the greatest fold of his life. For Mike Postle, it was Tuesday.
Why couldn’t this have been titled “can Polk make the greatest fold ever” instead of giving it away?
Not enough click bait for ya?
Has nothing to do with clickbait all to do with spoilers
Because at around 1:40 the announcer (Gabe) clearly states that it would be impossible for Dougie to fold here.
Agreed. Poker Go please edit your title. If you don't, it proves you don't care about your watchers.
@@clapforboobies5892 they made the change
I saw ONE professional poker player at that table. Great lay down Doug. I watch his videos. You can learn how to play better poker by watching and listening to Doug Polk.
I want that thought process to be able to make laydowns like that...impressive!!!
“I’m not tricky enough to play Queen 10 this good, am I?” 😂😂😂
Evidently not 😅
Have watched this 4 times already + watching it in the episode itself where the ending was not spoiled. In absolute awe. Anyone who says this is an easy fold is only lying to themselves, in a live environment in a very rare and unusual spot where you have literally millions of people watching you and you know that if you call and are wrong, nobody will blame you or judge you negatively, but if you fold and are wrong you'll be ridiculed for the next 10 years. It's easy to say you wouldn't let that kind of pressure affect you. Talking the talk is one thing, walking the walk is a completely different matter.
I will openly admit that before seeing this hand, had I been in Doug's spot I would have almost snap called. But now if I ever find myself in a similar spot I wouldn't be so quick to make my decision lol
He puts 100k allin doing 4 bet in a pot of 12k, of course you can call that T7 but, I dont see a set doing that tbh, any set I think just call there you dont want to fold the hands you win and call you the hand that beat you, its a tricky spot in my opinion, it depens of the villian.
correct..ask Jennifer Tilley!
It's an insanely hard fold but at the same time Phil made a stupid bet into a very small pot which made it much easier to get away from rather than risk the chips when you have 2nd nuts. Still an amazing laydown but I at least get that the way the pot was structured it was one he could get away from. Very bad bet by Phil and the commentators are right he should have kept his mouth shut.
@@ribbz22 If my opponent shoved all-in into a smallish pot, my first instinct would be "they are trying to steal it" followed very quickly by "they have a value hand like a set of 8's that they are turning into a mini-bluff to avoid a cooler and get me off my flush and straight draws" with "they have a nut flush draw" not too far behind. A very distant last place would be "they have flopped a Q high straight". I don't care what anyone says, this was a PHENOMENAL lay down.
@@surindersingh724 I definitely get that I would think the same thing. However, I think betting into a small pot like that where you don't have much money in it makes it a much easier fold. Plus knowing how Phil plays from watching him, I really don't think he would put his chips at risk in a small pot with such a huge bet if he doesn't have something extremely strong. But yes, it was still an incredible laydown with that type of hand.
Brilliant laydown by Polk. I can't say I would ever be able to fold in that situation. The funniest thing about this too is Phil's mind will convince him he made the absolute best play while his talking cost him what would have likely been a big pot.
100% of online players would have bet their life savings, houses, kids, and wives with a 10-7 there in a heart beat
I really miss the good old days of HSP when it was actually enjoyable to watch. Those guys on the other end of the table are a disgrace and should never be invited back. That was the best fold I've ever seen.
Yea, the times with Doyle, Esfandiari, Negreanu, Hellmuth, Ivey. Etc. Miss those days
I liked watching Sammy Farha and Eli Elezra together.
@@0210mick first time watching poker in a longggg time and these guys are irritating. wow.
Probably the best fold in HSP history. Mad respect.
polk is a bitch
Actually it is a very easy fold if you look at the ranges and %, Hellmuth is just a max moron for playing like that
No, its not an easy fold. Not even close.
@@brickowski1370 Open EquiLab and put in the numbers and you will see, Phil played that hand like an absolute fish giving Dough the odds to fold lol
@@FOFTY-oi6in stop. Just stop.
Great fold and great commentary by Gabe.
I could never lay that down in a million years. Amazing read for Doug.
Vanessa did good here, she’s learning.
haha underrated comment
she blows
Vanessa should’ve folded top boat vs quads tho
Holy shit that’s funny
@@spacepirate1449 How can it be an underrated comment when it's a 5 year old joke told 100k times? If anything it's an overrated comment.
Phil’s ‘speech play’ absolutely gives it away
That was so "Un-Phil-like". Maybe he has mellowed down with age? lol
"I could easily have..." then has to stop himself from saying his hand and is like 'wait, what other hands could I say I have?' then so clearly spouts off a bunch of hands he doesn't have. Still a tough fold to make but Phil really screwed himself.
no it didnt give it away,,, it was the betting pattern that made Doug fold had nothing to do with what hellmuth was saying or doing
100%!!! Hellmuth is a "Fish"!!!
Yep. He can't help himself.
1:14 Doug looks excited, it's like he already knew he wanted to fold from the second Phil jammed
You woulda thought Phil was eating OREO Cookies during the flop!
even to doubt Polks Poker skills before this hand was stupid.
That guy moved from the very bottom of nl5, struggled insane hard on beating NL25, managed to find solutions and open sit the highest HU tables and beat absolute everybody.
If this isn't enough he also build the biggest poker-content community where thousands of player get the opportunity to improve there own game while building one of the greatest poker CZcams channel we have.
And if this is not enough, he also has 3 bracelets and won some high stakes online tournaments even though he comes from cash game.
Whatever you might think he's arrogant or a dick, you have to give this guy credit for all that.
Doug Polk is a poker hall of famer in my opinion.
Snap call hall of famer and IAEC. Doug is one of the top 10 greatest poker players there has ever been. Probably top 5. And I don't even like the guy. He's just waaay to arrogant for me sometimes. Most of the time I like him but the things he does when I don't like him just outweighs all the times I do.
I should probably clarify a little bit. I mean his skill set is great at no limit cash games but those skills still put him in my top 5
If Doug keeps it going, one day he'll be as good as Jamie Gold
"honey, some idiot just folded the 2nd nuts on the flop!"
RSK for life
Sorry, RSK?
I still to this day can’t get over this one
Hellmuth opened his big mouth and cost himself $90K. Those other dudes shouldn't be talking during the hand.
Nah Doug was laying it down anyway. He said it before Hellmuth started talking
His chat seemed to solidify the decision, but it looked like Doug was making the laydown before he started talking
You moron say the same thing under different videos when it was a bluff. So opening your mouth means bluff or strong?
@@artkirakosyan2633 'you moron'?? 'Chobichazzup
@@timcarter817 no they dont lol, he does that to get info from hell,they are out of the game they shouldnt talk
If I'm Hellmuth here, I'm showing my hand and congratulating Doug on making an otherworldly lay down. This is an iconic moment that is nothing short of the poker torch passing from Phil's generation to Doug's, and Phil knows that as well as anyone. Instead he did the silly "turn one off" even though everyone will see the cards anyway. Phil is a legend and no one can take away what he's accomplished, but his ego was his downfall.
I think Phil should have made the exception and shown his hand. The other guys making side bets and chattering throughout the hand were idiots.
Downfall lol i think he has been doing great for 3-4 decades and vs the generations of players
Phil’s ego couldn’t take that
Phil saying he could easily have a set was a dead give away to what he actually had
Respect. Insane soul read /fold.
"what could you easily have? you just bet a lot into very little." LOL. someone is very unbalanced here.
for sure, they are 250bbs deep, blinds are 200/400, if u whatch Phill play, he never would shove 88, 99 or JJ here, cause he would be afraid of QT, anybody could have QT, its a MWP, ranges to get it in are tigher, they are deep and phill is a nit, so, easy fold. I dont think phill shoves AT of spades here too. Maybe he only have QT here kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk.
It's not an easy fold, even against a nit like Phil. Im not even convinced this fold by doug was right, even though it ended up being right this time.
Edward Mauer well he does get a huge live tell with all that Phil runs his mouth here
@@edwardmauer7442 when i have time i will run pio to see what phillsupposed to be shoving for bluff and value here than i respond. Without looking solvers, knowing phill and how unbalanced he his i dont see he shoving for value anything but a straigth, and for bluff maybeeeee some combo draws, witch i think is not enought.
@@edwardmauer7442 its a easy fold man, i run pio with two raises sizes for phill, 50% and allin, pio only go allin with 1.8 combos, some QTs and some bluffs, pio hates this size, and pio shoves some percentage (very little % in all hands cause pio prefere to put all raising range on 50%) of KQ for exemple, phill would never shove KQ here.
3:35 I love this kind of table talk. Phil gives in and says something, and then Doug just wants to get as much info as he can haha. Pure poker
4:44 love this too. Gabe commentated this great. Doug's incredible for making this fold, and the table criticizing him is awesome considering how high level of a play he just made in their faces
One of the best lay downs you'll ever see. Most players would just call with 2nd nuts without even a single thought.
That one is just legendary 👏👏👏
1:36 love the Guy who is like "stfu, he has a 200k decison to make"
Players not in the hand shouldn't b talking about the hand in play.
theyre side betting
the fact that doug still didnt call after they interfered w his thought process is impressive
@@johngray2520 oh well then that makes it ok....not
@@johngray2520 Yeah, so does that mean Phil has to show his cards to satisfy their side bets?
Seems like the value of keeping the fun players in the game is worth the price a little discourteous behavior.
Doug has become one of my favourite players in the last ~5 years
This truly is one of the best folds ever! Doug Polk is very smart, and knowing your opponent in this situation is everything. Truly an amazing display of his Poker skills.
Great read and great play
Doug with the live reads never thought I'd see the day
@Brian taylor wrong
I don't think it was a live read. He knew his customer and did the maths.
@Brian taylor I mean maybe he was folding regardless but that god awful table talk by Phil certainly made him more comfortable with his decision.
@@imteamcaptain 100% this
He would have folded regardless. It's a theoretical fold. Not an exploit. Against that overbet jam, he has to defend only 15-16% of his flop check-raise range. Now what does his flop check-raise range look like? All Q-10 (16), all 7-10 (16), some sets (he probably always 3bets JJ and 99, let's say 3 combos of sets), 10x of spades (AT, KT, T8 - 3), some two pairs (probably top two always, other two sometimes - let's say 12 combos), some nut flush wheel draws (4, optimistic because he 3bets sometimes) what else? Even if you add some pair and straight draw combos and some other random flush draws, you can't get close to 70 hands, out of which 16 are Q-10. So if he folds everything except Q-10, he is fine theoretically. That's why Phil's play is so terrible.
Whenever Phil talks, people make the right call. He opens his mouth WAY to often
Love this commentary team
The most genius part about this was Doug saying “Phil im certainly making a very big laydown” he knew Phils ego was too big to not give away information
The third player who folded did everything that poker players hate. Showed his cards to everyone, discussing his hand and what he had
He didn't do anything wrong, he only showed the guy next to him...even if he folded face up it wouldn't have affected the hand any.
@King Yellowman He should not have shown anyone anything when the pot is ballooning to 200K cash. It is very disrespectful to the players in the pot.
@@T-roc57 Would you be ok being in a 200k cash pot and a player decides to show what he is folding to the right and left for no reason what so ever?
@@Imadethistocomment13-Yes, i wouldn't give 2 shits if he showed a player that isn't in the hand.
It wasn't just that he showed, it was the way he did it. Showing his cards to the guy next to him when another player is still to act is a faux pas, but I doubt anyone would lose their minds over it (Obviously fine heads up, or if you do it quietly and don't draw any attention). But showing to the guy next to him when Phil was still to act and talking about it like that was WAY out of line, He basically announced out of position that he was gonna fold. Given the editing of this clip (which could actually be distorting things, but if we assume it's accurate) it seems like Hellmuth's decision to shove was directly related to Bord's reaction to Polk's bet.
Gabe Kaplan’s live reads of the player’s feelings are incredibly accurate
Gabe is as good of a commentator as Doug is a player
Yeah, in opposite world...:)
When was this recorded?
I feel like if Phil said “I could have queen ten” he gets called.
100%. He talked Polk out of a call there. Made it so obvious he had the nuts
That would have been absolutely MASSIVE brained lol
I dont think it mattered what Phil said. Doug was contemplating and when it appeared he was going to fold, Phil talked, trying to get Doug to call. If Phil really wanted a food, why would he talk?
If Phil said “I could have Q 10” Doug would’ve just ignored it. Q 10 is the nuts on this board. Neither someone who wants a call nor someone who wants a fold would say “I could have Q 10.” His best move would’ve been to shut up. His second best move would’ve been to try to identify Doug’s hand and claim he had one of his cards. For example, “you can do what you want, but can you beat 10 7 with the 10 of spades?” Might’ve got him called if he thought Doug was leaning towards a fold and he needed to pull Doug back toward a call.
His problem was that was what he wanted to say and he chickened out, and made it pretty obvious by all the other hands he mentioned, which then made it somewhat clear that's what he had. He really needed to just stay quiet. He gets too excited when he's got the nuts.
I love how the recs are commenting on what this genius should have done lol...
imagine being a rec and having the nerve to tell a pro what the 'correct' play is aha...i mean it'd be fine if they were like "woah, i never woulda done that, do you think that's the correct play?!"...it's hilarious the way they're calling it bad
@@nGUNNARp its cause there bad lol... have u ever seen that joker play before (forget his name)? .. he lights money on fire regularly
it's an easy fold.
I always thought it's called a reg (from regular) not a rec...
@@id10t98 lmfao yeah right if u fold straights every hand to an all in raise I'd love to play against u more like he has a pair than a higher straight
It's so rare that you see someone get so outplayed. Folding the second nuts, with that texture. Utterly unbelievable. Incredible fold by Doug, especially to actually make the laydown. What an incredible move. And what a disaster for Phil!! To be so humiliated like that by an 'internet kid' with 'no reading abilities'. Phil was as outplayed as it gets here.
Just to add, people like those chumps betting during the hand make the show hard to watch. Glad we have a commentator like Gabe Kaplan, just such a smart and level headed guy too.
You couldn’t have hit the nail more on the head of everything if you dropped a nuclear bomb filled with hammers.
That was an unreal lay down, 99.9% of people, including myself, pay that off off then move on to the next hand.
Phil phucked any chance he had of getting paid by opening his mouth.
@Sam
I understand what you’re saying. But, at the same time, if you’re always folding 2nd nuts on the flop whether to Helmuth or anyone to an all-in, that is a sure fire way to lose. A lot. Often.
@@rambojohnj.6117 i think you're forgetting that he bet like 10 times the pot. You really dont need to call very often to bets that insanely big.
The way phil hellmuth went all in, laid back in his seat is a big indicator that he has the nuts. Playing live is a lot about feeling the player. Hats off to doug for this fold.
Honestly, the bigger tell was that he was trying to talk Doug into calling. "I can have 3 tens", ya Phil, you are totally telling him that out of the goodness of your heart.
New respect for Doug Polk after this fold.
Phil is playing bad this seasson on HSP , he folded AK to a raise his style of play and talk got Doug to make this amazing fold !
Phil is probably the worst high stakes cash player I have ever seen
@@trumerothetru7964 Overall he is a good player but his emotions got the better of him , it's just he is in the spot lite a everything he does goes on air .
@@salkosecerovic8974 I just think he's a great tournament player (and maybe the GOAT at that), but he's way too tight on cash games, he just doesn't adapt well and plays cash games like he was playing tournaments (Tom Dwan also said that in an interview on an early HSP episode this season). Plus he's prone to tilting and like you said he lets his emotions get the best of him.
@@trumerothetru7964 Jamie Gold is the worst
@@trumerothetru7964 no progress since 2005 that's pretty sick rofl
5:38 I swear i can feel Gabe wanting to say "that's because you're not Doug Polk!"
I didn’t catch onto that lol that would’ve been gold😂😂
@@Dyl3423 good catch-he was interrupted from saying just that because the guy continued to talk! Doug is the GOAT and Gabe is the GOAT of poker commentary
Steven hushing Bord is an underrated moment. Let Doug think while Phil postures so we can read how they play.
An amazing fold that was no matter the poker player liked or not you can't knock some of there skill levels they have in this game of some of the best readers in the world and amazing read that was top notch nothing less
Doug Polk stealing Garrett moves. Folding second nuts to nuts and being right.
absolutely impressive. especially after the other players interfered w his thought process
is there a video link to that hand?
@@nickfromyuma1691 my man how are you ? Are you ready for Fedor Holtz vs limitless?
@@bojanfrntic8596 hey bojan. I’m good bro how you doin? Yup. I will see you in dougs chat
Wtf ur not allowed to fold that hand. too many 2p set draw combos too little nuts like 5/100. And also carrying str blocker with ten. U fold that u lose in long run.
1:31 Doug using Crotch Theory Optimal like I taught him.
Underrated comment! :D
When Doug asks how much, he says, "im almost certainly calling". But after he thinks about it and Phil's foolish table talk he's able to get away from it. Brilliant mind at work
Genius, would of loved to see his reaction to folding.
I think Doug has proved why he is one of the best in the world
Yea he is an incredible player.
Its a horrible fold
@@conorsmith636 helmuth, a NOTORIOUS nit, shoves an insane overbet on the flop saying he has q10, a set, or the nut flush draw. He raised pre so we know he isn’t going to have garbage here. All of these hands have Doug flipping AT best or he could be dead basically like he was. Against specifically helmuth, this is a great play. Against the donkeys at your local casino, it’s probably a call 100%. Use your brain and history and realize helmuth is never shoving worse than probably bottom set, and he may not even shove that. All the hands I listed have insane equity against Doug’s specific hand which cannot improve. These are world class players, not some fish at the casino. Doug doesn’t want to flip his whole stack AT BEST, could just be losing like he was.
@@Hijak3 lol. Its a horrible fold.
@@conorsmith636 good argument there bud. Someone folds 2nd nuts correctly, who has millions upon millions made in poker. But you say it's a horrible fold, anonymous no one, and added "lol" on top of that.... Case closed!
Blown away by that read. New respect for Dougie.
It's pretty simple cause Phil always has Q10 there especially after the talk about what he could have
@@trumerothetru7964 absolutely man, no idea why he took so long to fold that
@@juliusuus so easy to say when you can see the whole cards.... freakin keyboard warriors
@@juliusuus Because he flopped a very strong hand and has to consider his options? He's hardly gonna snap fold a straight on the flop. (Although that would have been very cool lol)
I think Julius was being facetious lol. But Phil does have the absolute stone cold nuts there 95% of the time. Never said I could make that fold, but that's why I don't play for big money
The best fold I've ever seen was during the wsop. I can't remember the players, but one of them folded jacks full against kings full. Matusow was at the table and was in complete shock.
That hand is Romanello vs Geller, it was a great fold at the time but its not even close to be the best fold in 2022, i´ve seen probably 20 betters folds during the last 10 years.
The best fold I've seen was, Wilanofsky vs Van den Biijgart in an EPT a couple of years ago, Biijgart folded A9 on a A92 board relatively shortstacked. Wilanofsky had Aces.
@glennhagstedt it depends on the action preflop that makes it a great fold. Preflop and history, player tendencies. Folding a big hand in itself doesn't make it a great fold.
Giving the way the hand went pre flop that fold is easier than this fold by a lot actually
Bro someone this year folded KK vs AA pre flop, best fold ive seen.
You know how to tell that it's the greatest fold world in history, The announcers can see his cards and that he's dead and they're saying he should call over and over😂😂😂 Then they're saying out loud the reasons why he shouldn't call but they somehow are like saying them in a way as if he still should
He won’t make it to Day 2! He’s got all the chips and called a raise with a Q and a 10 !
HONEY! HE CALLED A RAISE WITH Q10!
I’m not good enough to play Q 10 this good am I?
@@skadoosh1212 QTo*
I'm trying to decide which is greater, Doug's read/fold being great, or Phil's shove being horrible. Because Phil got the guy with the second nuts in a dream spot to fold, I'll have to go with the shove being HORRIBLE.
I'm not a poker pro but what is Phil representing other than Q10 with that shove?
@@PastingKing at the micros people will do that with AA or spades or like combo draw but all are terrible plays and yeh Phil just spazzing off here
@@PastingKing he's representing a nit playing a set who doesn't want someone to suck out on him. Flush and straight draws out there, he just wants to take the pot down now. Not saying it's correct, but that's how he thinks. It works better in tourneys.
nah gotta go with doug being too good on this one. only ivey can soul read this one
Phil's shove. Doug's fold is standard theory.
I have seen a lot of great folds. He could literally only lose to Q10. This is the best lay down I have ever seen!
I couldn’t uve got my chips in their fast enough!!! Absolutely brilliant by Doug almost bordering on Unbelievable
This was crushing. How to win a hand loosing money?! Thats how. Amaizing Mr. Polk
Good points, but losing is spelled with one O.
Phil showing why deep stack cash games are not his specialty
What an idiot, he gets all the money if he just calls there and let’s Doug keep betting. He would end up pot committing himself and have to get stacks in by the river.
Nice to see actual smart comments on here.
Except there were 2 spades on the board already, if a third came it would've killed the betting.
He probably cost himself about 30k with the huge over bet though.
@@munkybizniss6348 if a spade comes Doug would still get the turn he would just bet smaller, he would have to bet to protect his hand because of the 4th spade comes on the river then he has to fold. The point is Phil last huge value over bet jamming like that. That’s like flipping quads and betting 2/3 3/4 pot, when u flop the nuts the chances of anyone else being able to call I’d very slim that’s why u should almost always check call when flopping the nuts. Only 2 combos of hands Phil can lose to and that Ak spades and kJ of spades and that’s only if the 3rd spade comes. What can he possibly be scared of on that flop.
He raised clearly because he was scared of the flush
"He's got Q 10, he's got Q 10 you gotta pay him off"
- The difference between a professional poker player and a recreational millionaire poker player.