The #1 Mistake Poker Players Make
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- čas přidán 9. 03. 2018
- Ian Steinman is the talk of the town, as he recently made an unbelievable fold against Joe McKeehan at the WPT Rolling Thunder final table. This is the sort of play that makes poker fans go wild, but sometimes it teaches the wrong lesson. What's the difference between a big play and great play? The distinction ties in to the #1 biggest mistake poker players make.
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I thought the #1 mistake poker players make is being all loosey goosey.
your problem is you have to understand that everything you do at the table conveys information
yeah but problem #2 is you having a sandwich be on your phone and be like "wow what a game"
Lol! 😂
You cant just look at your cards and be like oh baby!!!
I think you’re main problem is that you think you’re Daniel negreanu
I got inspired by Doug to become a poker pro. After 1 year of studying + 3 years of playing, im broke 😏🤣
Yeah, that's why it's called gambling
@@saggybobby3733 except poker isn't.
@@GinEric84 Poker still is gambling even though its +EV
Did you try doing a lot of "Value bluffs?"
@@johnbenedetto3096 that's exactly why it's not gambling. Anything +ev will eventually win you money if you play properly.
Dude wth towards the end this transformed into some deep motivational life advice, 10/10 would watch again.
ildisiri I heard the national anthem fade in in the background
He's a decent bloke this fella and a class poker pro.
"It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life."
kingbreaker19
A very powerful yet sobering statement.
If you make no mistakes but still lose that means you made a mistake somewhere and don't want to admit it. It isn't possible to make no mistake and still lose. Useing life as an example. You invest 3k into a stock market pre covid-19 you see what covid is doing to China and don't pull out of the stock and take what you have left with you he took a risk yes but that risk can still be a mistake just like if Ian called an all in like that seeing a straight was highly possible or wouldn't of been the right move it would have been a mistake
Michael Hoover BS
Michael Hoover you can’t even spell using properly. Not taking any advice from your ass haha
@@michaelhoover6751 in poker though you can make no mistakes and still lose
"I want to cover this briefly..." 19 minute video.
he likes hearing and seeing himself early and often.
You know there are entire books on this subeject, right?
I skipped to the end to see the result of hand and he was still talking.
What the fuck is Doug talking sbout???
I literally just came here to see a 2 min. video of this hand and saw it was 19 min.s and skipped 98% of it lol. He talks toooooo much.
'I run the worst I always run my kings into aces. Well yeah probably because I never 4bet bluffing and my 4bet range is just kings and aces'
Best poker talk I've heard. Thank you.
When you have trip kings, you can’t expect the guy to have hit the nuts. Expect that he had aces, 2 pair, or was bluffing. You can’t fold winning hands in fear that someone hit the absolute nuts. I’ve lost hands/tournaments playing this way, but by playing this way I’ve won way way more than I would have if I folded every decent hand I’ve had out of fear.
Are you serious. Mckheehan flatted a SB raise in BB. He can NEVER EVER have aces. Only QT and maybe 10% 77's. Otherwise bluff
@@abadhyamalhotra4255 good players mix up their flatting ranges.
@@JT-gi8rx Yes, but he's less likely to have aces.
@@abadhyamalhotra4255 Why would he call the flop with QT (except QT of hearts).
@@avainbaxter9318 There’s also a very good chance that he checks back Qh10h on the turn.
Betting, then getting jammed-on, in that spot with Qh10h …
That would be absolutely disgusting; Especially in a tournament, against the other chip leader.
Also, the other guy could have lower flush draws in his range, so if you check back and hit the flush-you’re stacking him. And having a lower flush draw is probably one of the most likely bluff-candidates for him to check-jam the turn, so that would make getting jammed on-even more gross.
Another thing: Although it’s probably not that much of a factor - Q10 does have _some_ showdown value which could make it understandable to check back the turn.
I’m not sure how often Joe would check back Qh10h in that spot, but if ICM is playing that much of a factor in Ian’s mind (to the point that it would make him lay down KK), then I would think that ICM factors should also make it _much_ more likely that he checks back Qh10h in that spot.
I also think that factors like ‘that’ _could_ make it less likely for Joe to just flat with AA. If he’s worried about getting involved in a big pot with the other chip leader, then wouldn’t he be more inclined to raise AA preflop and be glad to just take the pot?
I’m always gonna say that folding KK in that spot is really really bad, but I’m open to considering other factors.
I watch a lot of media, this is hands down the #1 best video I’ve ever seen. Way to utilize what I call the derivative effect of taking it down a later and then a third time. Your way of turning this so deeply allowed you to take poker and this play into a relatable life message for many people in many meaningfully different ways. Thx Doug. I hope this message finds you.
14:53 starts one of the great motivational poker speeches of our generation.
Amen, brother. Frickken, AAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Cosmo! You still play hon?
Thanks
"You have to be willing to die in order to live."
Amir Vahedi
I'm borrowing this one. TY
No not really you just have to live,stupid saying,doesnt make sense
If you think it’s a stupid saying, it means you don’t get it.
gerry o sullivan yo momma doesnt make sense
"Risk is part of the game if you want to sit in that chair."
Thank you Doug, you hit the nail on the head. Fear is what's holding me back. Seeing well renown players make bad decisions inspires me to stop being afraid.
Short version of whole video:"When you can see everybody's cards you suddenly become an expert on what good and bad plays are, when in reality if you want to have a chance of winning more so than not in real life you have to play to the ev where on average you'll win even if you lose this time"
Dumb comment
@@brickcitybeatdown It has been 4 years since I wrote that comment, upon re reading my comment I was happy to see that it was 4 years ago cause I've spent a lot of time in the last 2 years study and playing Hold'em and was concerned to see myself having written such a bad take and thought there was no way I would've said that recently.
I like to fold my kings pre
lmao >
Yeah and you only start betting with quads.
You bet with quads I always fold to a check he's obviously slow playing a straight flush c'mon Simon this is basic stuff
So all that time i overvalued my quads?
This is always a good move because AA is the best hand and KK is the second best hand. And you know what they say about coming in second place.
Doug,
I normally never comment on CZcams videos, but I'm making an exception because I fully understand how much work and effort you have put into this channel, The Lab, and everything else.
I had the pleasure of chatting with you and Ryan for a bit at TwitchCon 2016 and thanked you then in person, but I thought I'd do it again here just to remind you of how thankful some of us are out there.
Joseph Augustin is he your boyfriend?
Job Done Right
Blo job done right?
Michael Cawdron gay thoughts, why?
He called a raise with QT, honey!
seriously - there are always gonna be weird suck-outs when people gamble
Its headsup so ofc lol
Love the Hellmuth reference
I can dodge bullets baby!
Yuriy Anisimov Are you gonna do something about this Maury?
Doug, In all honesty I've been watching your videos for over a year. The most I have ever learned from you was on this video. Big thank you for this! I am a new player trying to play right. I have been lucky in a couple of tournaments and home games, but mostly I was waiting for AA or KK and folding like a cheap tent. I am going to try this approach instead (playing more ranges, bluffing more). Its hard to do, but if I want to become better I NEED to put the work in to look at poker differently. Thanks again!
Doug, this video is the nuts. Thank you for everything you give back to the poker community. I used to play exactly like how you described. They always have the nuts. Breaking even with a horrible red line. A few months ago I joined the lab and watched the 4 categories video. It was the first ah-ha moment I have had in poker, and I am now finally learning and adjusting my ranges and strategy and getting better results after breaking even for years. Thanks for all the content you put out there.
four categories is the key to success for all fish
Hi Eric, sounds like I need some of what has happened to you, which course did you go for? thanks pal
What does your red line mean?
David Langley $won/lost without a showdown
BB won without showdown
Great speech Doug. Reminded me of William Wallace.
At least Wallace had a rockstar haircut.
Awesome. Would have loved it if the speech was made with a Scottish outfit, kilt and all...
HAHAHAHHAHA
Freeee Dooom
Hahahahaha
“Anyone can win...well, the Browns can’t.” 🤣
This comment has not aged well...
@@wolverine9632 They aren't going to win a playoff game this year.
@@richardmetzger2574 they are fire this year, crazy underdogs
@@wolverine9632 I was wrong. Rough end to a fantastic early season for Pitt.
Racist!
I love it when rando good stuff pops up on your CZcams feed. One of Doug’s best videos, imho.
Probably one of the best videos you've ever made on this channel imo
You can pretty much discount much of the video because Doug thinks McKeehen covers Ian, and therefore should have more bluffs, when it's actually Ian that covers and therefore McKeehen should have less bluffs.
Like Doug mentioned, the main point of this video is NOT the hand with Ian and Joe, he just used it as an underlying example to support his point.
So what? You can discount a ton of the analysis because he thinks McKeehen has the biggest stack and therefore should bluff more, when actually he should bluff less. I happen to value Doug's contribution enough to say that when there's such a glaring error in the analysis it's probably not one of his best videos.
If what you took away from the video is that Joe is supposed to have less bluffs, contrary to Doug saying he should have more bluffs in that spot then I think you are missing the point.
Do you not realize that those two things can be true at the same time...
that 2-4 minutes of you just talking straight to me/us the viewers gave me chills man. i never comment, on any videos on anything ever. but that shit hit right home.
I made a world series final table a few years ago and my aces went down to kings. And then got top 60 in another world series even just a few days later. I can honestly say that this is the best video I've ever seen this dude make and by far the most sincere. I really appreciate watching this particular video and I can't wait to go to the world series again this year and pray that I break through bigger this time. Thanks Doug.
LOL I saw the whole hand, and at the end when he folded I realized doug was talkin the whole time.
Doug,
i can not express to you how important this video was to me. fear. fear has been my one solo problem i’ve had in life. this video changed my direction in life & im thankful for the time you take to make these videos when you don’t even need to. thank you Doug, have a great one!
I have the same "hurdle to clear". . . Fear. That "IT'S gonna happen again, when I Call"
BUT Doug fkin nailed it in this video. . . You go down blazing, but at least you know you played the game fearless and by the book, and played poker as a career, not a game. . .
I agree with you , this speech helped me change my view of poker but also of my student life and being afraid to fail doing the right thing !!
Thanks Doug. I needed that to get myself more motivated to become a better poker player. I think being afraid is my biggest problem. I will keep working harder!
I've got to say Doug: I watch your video's from time to time and a lot of the time it's my way to keep up with what's happening in poker. Honestly, I'll skip a lot of discussion in them. I like to see crazy hands but don't have a lot of time to listen to every breakdown. However this one I did watch through and this has to be some of the best discussion of poker "theory" I've seen on youtube. Especially when you started talking about your own personal experience towards the very end.
"it was also a bad play but that's beyond the point..." xd
Best poker related speech ever. I really appreciate what you've done for the poker community. It means a lot. GJ Doug
Stop commenting on your own videos Doug.
"Im getting all this rake back" heheheh
12:54 my favorite TV poker moment. My buddies and I still laugh about it years later. "He called me with Jack high!" Lmfao
Wonder where Elix Powers is today
@@blairhoenk8107 He passed away in 2015.
Was really queen high.
That was a super memorable moment...
I appreciate you spending the time to do this. You are helping bring unity to an industry that most feel isolated in.
In any case thank you. :-)
You, Brad Owens and many others are making me realize that i am super close to making a huge impact in the poker world.
I’m not ready to challenge anyone to heads up just yet.
However I am extremely confident I can be successful in poker tournaments.
I’ve spent a lot of time playing but more importantly watching hand videos.
I am totally confident I already am the best tournament player. But, now I just got to get out there and show you and others!
Keep up the great work bud!
I will see you at the table before long
That flop float is disrespectful
Alec James he can do whatever he wants with his chips
superdave31 Thank you captain obvious.
I know right! not even a backdoor FD
fasheezy
dude, went runner runner broadway like a boss lol
This video has a class.I follow him bcoz of his diverse video topics.Surviving matters in tournament.
Highly underrated video, so much good information. Thanks Doug!
Best Polk visdeo. Thx. “Quit being afraid” is great advice
You know what, this was great. The second half of this video was as solid as I've ever seen you. Great job!
"And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance to come back here and tell our villains that they may take our money, but they'll never take our freedom!!!"-doug polk
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Doug! Well said. I was really impressed with how thorough you were telling us how to not be afraid. On average, that is a terrible fold. I absolutely do not give him credit for that fold. Nobody else should, either. We cannot worry about results, but rather want to make correct decisions. I have watched lots and lots of your videos. Thank you, for this one.
Want to learn more on ranges? This is the channel to watch. Great stuff Doug, as always.
he's basically telling most of you that you're bad
J Ein Considering most players are losing players, would that not be a fair point?
[ ] Sick fold.
[ ] Horrendous fold.
[x] Doug Polk for biggest influencer 5TH GPI ANNUAL AMERICAN POKER AWARDS WINNER
Wayne Chiang well said
Wayne Chiang He should have won last month. next year is going to be much harder since he's stepping back from the poker world.
Wayne Im truly dumbfounded at how great a youtube comment you have made here today. No words. Awesome.
LATB commentary is straight trash
legit
Absolutely LOVE this man. It pertains to so much more than Poker as well.
Till this date this video was one of the best you've ever made Doug. Very valuable
Thanks Doug! You back for the bankroll challenge?
I thought the no.1 mistake was quitting poker and jumping on the crypocurrency bandwagon, right when the market crashes and everyone stops caring
yes and when the market 'crashes' you should be buying more
GeX223 ? I cashed out $80k
Fear cripples in all aspects of life. And “fear, he is a liar.”
u gona end up a loser then till the end of the year
actually he helped a lot of people with his vids, like all the ones about bitconnecttttttttttttttt
Thanks for the words of wisdom! Very true and needed to hear it at this moment.
This is why I LOVE poker ~ .. I love your follow-up discussion. It's how you become tops in anything.
I had to watch this twice. Such a great video Doug! I'm just starting to take poker seriously again and whenever the money gets real, I suffer a lot from the passive play you discuss at the end.
yes take poker seriously and ill take ur moneee thanks
Best vid yet! No balls No glory
Thanks Doug for entertaining AND informative content. You make at least two very very very important points in this video. Playing good poker will leave any player looking silly at times in the short term BUT +ev long term.
Great video, Doug. I actually lol’d at “....if shit went down.” Thanks for that and thanks for all the great videos.
first of all , i think for most players the big problem is at the opposite direction : they cant fold enough (me included) . Other thing is that you cant just see players cards and just judge their choose. maybe the other guy is playing so tight , is floating too much , tourney is on the buble , or you have been calling too much , or so many other factors involved ( that you as a viewer of one piece of video are not aware of ) that narrows his bluff range. you are just seeing the situation from game theory pov. i still give credit to that great read and fold.
You do realize that was Joe Mckeehan, World champion and highly aggressive player Ian was up against, right? If anything, it means there will be WAY more bluffs in his range because A. He understands ranges and when to bluff B. Not only is he chipleader, he is far more financially comfortable than most making bluffing even more of a possibility. While you're right loose calling stations are the most common poker fools, they'll never make it in the first place over time so they are discounted. He's talking to people who want to play at a high level, and the fantasy created out of big folds/ hero calls is all too common amongst a certain level of player that can't see the bigger picture. Realistically, the only hand in Joe's range there that's beating him is Q10 hearts or spades, occasionally maybe slow played Aces. There's also missed flush draws, bluffs without the Q or 10 of hearts, and sets of 5's and 7's. That's a lot of combinations to be folding the top of your range against just because you 'have a read' on a guy who barely makes a facial expression. Good read or not, it's a play you will lose money over time with against capable poker players. That's the entire point...
real talk getting really real
that reel was fo-real
When keeping it real goes wrong
I needed this Doug, thank you.
Damn. That last 5 mins hit home. Thanks for the great speech. I am the 4 bet KK and AA guy. Allin with AA pre, and sets post, and flopped nuts. Jesus you were talking right to me. Winning player, but not a lot... I have some work to Doug. Thank you!
I agree that fear manifests on the tables but I also know that intuition is a tool in this game of limited info. My problem is when i act out of fear and label it intuition or when I can't differentiate between the two. But I know from experience that I can cultivate that skill by being aware of what I'm feeling when I play and being honest about when I'm afraid.
Legit top 10 speech I’ve heard on the inter webs. Good stuff Doug!
Doug, I totally agree!! Thank you so much!!
This was a hell of a video. Thanks, man.
My husband, when I read this title to him, “Walking in to the casino”.
2:12 "OMG, he's reaching for chips!!!! Stay calm, stay calm..."
As a Brit recreational player, I've watched a lot of poker Vlogs, and many of yours are over my head, but this was really useful and informative. Thanks.
Boom!! This was some good mindset nuggets. I finished a session and then got on to see this video. I felt much better with my bluff lines. I have been working on aggression and moving on up. Thanks to the Lab!! That was a Cat1 Video right there.
INSPIRING WORDS at the end... Coach Doug is the BEST POLKER COACH AINEC!
This one really resonated with me Doug. Made a big fold in a $1600 tournament recently because “this guy never has any bluffs here.” I was right actually. He wasn’t bluffing. He was value betting with a worse hand than mine. Could’ve won a big pot and maybe made a deep run, but I didn’t and it was entirely because I was scared. Thanks for a much needed kick in the ass and keep putting out great content like this!
next time when you call he will have the nuts
The reverse happens too and leads to some hilarious hands where somebody says "I know you're bluffing!" makes a ridiculous hero call and then still loses when opponent bluffing with a better hand than the hero is bluffcatching with. saw this happen with AK and AQ where the board was super raggy and they get 200bb in on river.
Cheers doug. Your Upswing content turned me from a set miner to a polker player. I was the youngster at my older brothers friends home game, i was 'kid poker' now they respect my game.
Lmao Doug you're so invested sometimes XD these videos are hilarious though , it would be nice too see how you go about gathering info in online tourneys!
This is deliciously melodramatic.
#1 mistake. You can't be all loosey goosey.
No, number 1 is eating sandwich at the table
Excellent video, thanks Doug
Magnificent analysis! Thank you for having the courage to voice an opinion that defies the norm. The only other explanation is having a magic for instinct.... and that counts though is more difficult to quantify. In our field, it’s not the end result, but the rightness of execution, which over time prevails. Very difficult to convey. BRAVO to you.
Damn bro.... That was deeeepppp
This is a great example why poker can't afford to lose you - because pokergodliness is rare, like a Ty Cobb baseball card(so please don't disappear). I need this type of vlog/info to cleanse my thirst to learn poker. Say hi to Joey.
Great points, Doug. Solid advice...keep it coming!
Awesomely well said Doug! You don’t result-merchant, you look at the EV of the play...
Video summary: Sure, the fold worked in practice, BUT DOES IT WORK IN THEORY?!?!
hahaha
Great video Doug
Brilliant
At the end there actually inspired me and my poker game in ways no one else ever has. Thank you Doug.
Very deep and meaningful
Thz for this video
you would love the book, "Fooled by Randomness" by Nasim Taleb, Doug.
I just finished it!!
I'm officially learning how to play poker. Wish me luck.
You’re about 10 years too late. Enjoy the suffering.
Quit while your behind
Sean Alexander Jr. good luck!
Stock up on blood pressure medication!:)
We won't wish you luck, we'll wish you were sitting at our tables.
Great insight Doug! Thanks
Best Video I have ever seen from you, Doug. Good Job.
"He called a raise with Q 10 Honey"
"Anyone can win! Well the Browns can't but..."
Hands down best speech about poker I’ve ever heard. Wish I could give you a million thumbs up Doug.
Great content, thanks Doug
I felt like he was talking directly to me. I literally got chills at the end of the video because I am afraid. I play well but am afraid of being felted and losing my entire bank roll. I never buy in deep because I’m afraid a cooler will happen and I’ll get stacked with a full buy in. I’ll play $400-500 buy in tournaments but will play very passive because I don’t want to lose the buy in. But on the flip side I’ll play 50-125 buy in tournaments and have no fear because of the buy in size. Thank you Doug for this vid. It really opened my eyes to how I play. I’ll never be a long term profitable player if I don’t change my play and just go for it. U have just earned an upswing member. Salute Doug!!!
What everyone fails to realize is that Joe never bluffs in this spot! I've been following him for a while now! So if Ian knows this then the fold is a smart move.
Really needed to hear this.
This is one of those rare occations where one player get extremely lucky on the River and the other crash into it.
Really getting respect by being able to Fold in that situation.
I thought the #1 mistake poker players made was challenging Phil Helmeuth to heads up
You should call this Polker Hands
Joshua never heard that before... good one 😔
I think i've heard that before somewhere, but not sure
PolkerHands.com
He's not going to do it, everyone says he should.
He did, one time
very insightful for someone getting more and more into the theory of poker! subbed
You haven't lived until you've laid down bottom set. 🤣🤣
RIP the browns 9:49
Dude this speech at the end was epic! Very inspiring and honest
Hi Doug...Great analysis, provocative as ever. For the record, I only subscribe to one channel on you tube, not one poker channel, ONE CHANNEL... and its yours. Since I have been watching and practicing some of what you I have gone 3rd 2nd 1st 1st in my last 4 games. Still get a bit afraid to be wrong, which this post excellently focuses on. Thanks Doug
Very good explanation. Loved it.