Age of Sigmar Battle Report: Las Vegas Open Prep!! Seraphon vs Sylvaneth: Big Bug vs Space Frog!!
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I honestly really enjoyed seeing the super optimal gameplay. I love the fun games you guys play, but seeing two strong competitive lists with very optimal thinking you were expressing was super informative as to how both armies win games. I would enjoy seeing a mixture of these kind of games along with the fun off-meta ones.
We love to throw these in as often as possible. We always try to play at a high level, but we want ALL of the armies to have representation on our channel. There will be Many competitive reports in the future. Thanks for commenting and big love for being a member, it means alot to us. Happy Wargaming!!
I still personally think Seraphon needs to be toned back a bit. Over multiple channels, watching multiple matchups, it’s always the same thing. They just have too much, and some of the things they have almost no other army has. Was a good game though, good list and playing from both sides. Cheers
I know what you mean, but once you clear their screen units out of the way, they are forced into either screening their castle or taking objectives. I have struggled against my mates seraphon with my sylvaneth many times. But there are ways to hurt them, it just a bit of a longer game to do that.
They are very strong into multiple armies. They struggle into armies with ward saves (Nurgle, STD, Lumineth) and armies that can shut down their magic reliably (Lumineth again, Tzeentch, Nighthaunt, Fyreslayers and Khorne) That being said, that have a high win rate percentage in the tournament scene because of how stupid easy their battle tactics/grand strat can be and are very defensive. Gabe is correct though, if you can lift the screens and shut down some of the magic, their damage and scoring potential can dissapear very quickly. I would still say A/S tier though and need some points/rules adjustments. They will probably run amok until 4th addition though lol. Thanks for taking time to comment and watch our channel, we really appreciate you!
Looking forward to watching this one. Magical Seraphon seem like a good counter to yeet and retreat! Plus the slyvaneth list is chef kiss 👌
After we filmed this, Michael went 4/1 at LVO and got Best in Faction. We will do a recap video soon!
Amazing battle rep ! Looking forward to more strong fights like this one and good luck on LVO!
Thank you for the comment, We had a wonderful time at LVO. there will be a recap coming out shortly
The army I'm taking to LVO vs the army I'm currently painting. I feel like sylvaneth is the underdog if you look at the stats but I think Belthanos brings so much to the army now that I really can't choose a winner.
Hope to see you guys at LVO, I don't plan on winning much but maybe I can score some points for painting.
Michael will be there! I have decided to hang back this year and get caught up on editing backlog, because we have some really cool surprises for you in February, make sure to say hi!
@@BattleshockWargaming Guys, stop putting out so much great content, having trouble over here focusing on my degree.
Honestly amazing how well you guys developed over the past month from an already great start!
This was great and love your battle reports. Hope to see you guys at LVO!
Michael will be there! Definitely come say what's up!!
Love the LVO prep. It`s super interresting to compare this Sylvaneth-List to the one from Seasons of War. Best of Luck to all Sylvaneth Branch-Brothers at LVO!
To follow up, Michael and Jordan from Season of War went 4/1 at LVO. Michael got the best Sylvaneth award as well! We will do a post LVO video for you guys to discuss :)
That was a mighty battle of strategy gents. Great punches and counter-punches. Well done.
Thank you so much we are glad you enjoyed it
Yay! I’ve been waiting for a Seraphon or Stormcast or Ironjawz game!! Thank you for this one, also good luck at the tournament 😊🙏
Stormcast and Ironjaws will be around in February! I'm waiting on a bunch of Brutes so we can play Da Choppas and Ironsunz :)
Daniel Brough
Hi from Australia... I really enjoy your Battle reports especially when you play Sylvaneth..... Thanks guys for your always great content.
Thanks alot! We appreciate your viewership. One day we will cross the pond and come throw some dice with the awesome meta in Australia!!
You guys are the coolest people we have never got to meet.
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Lizards are back nice, always a blast seeing them
Quite literally a blast some times if kroak gets his way!
Outstanding battle report.
Thanks alot for watching!!!
Good luck at LVO 🤞🏻. Thanks for the vid guys- keep it up 😁
Thank YOU. It was great meeting you last year 😉
I love high level AoS. It's like watching fencing. The Double turn is such a raw, powerful thing in this game, and it is incredible to watch players giving away double after double. That being said, the Seraphon casting castle is a special kind of skew list. A practice game like this really highlights how even competent lists can just bounce off everything it does. I think giving the faction such powerful casting then giving it another iteration of Magical Mayhem was a mistake.
The turning point was turn 4. I think Michael picked a perfect time to double, he picked his activations perfectly piling into Kroak. The Gladius was only 1 extra attack unfortunately. Had he done 1 more wound or if my bodyguard rolls were a bit worse. Kroak goes down, Durthu and the Hunters stay on the board and he outscores me. He played to score and did great. A double would have been devastating for him so he handed the turn in 2 and 3 giving him the highest probability to outscore me. Agreed regarding battle tactics for seraphon. They are too easy. Scoring 13 before primaries just wins games. Simple as that. This would categorize as a nightmare match up for Michael and we want him to be as prepared for adversity in Vegas as possible. You can see the dynamic change slightly when we are in kill mode :) He did great, and has a fighting chance if this ends up happening in pairings. His army is a mid board monster and scoring machine. I think he can definitely 4-1 or 5-0. Thanks for the well thought out comment, we really appreciate your presence in our community brother 💪
Another banger! Good luck to everyone going to LVO. Thanks for the great content as always!
Appreciate it! Thanks for catching the premiere!
Love both lists, absolutely optimal. Belthanos gives Sylvaneth a whole new dimension, and a much moe interesting gameplay, imo. Seraphon is as busted as usual
Couldn't agree more! These are definitely two lists you might see at a tournament.
Great battle report! Just getting into AoS and your battle reports are great for learning the game. Love the Sylvaneth paint scheme. Do you mind telling me how you did it? I’m starting out with Sylvaneth, but not too sure how to paint them. Thinking I might go with something similar to yours
Hop in our Discord server and dm Michael, he'll give you the recipe 😉
Awesome to see sylvaneth with belthanos play!
They play really well together!
Sometimes I think my armies (Sylvaneth and Daughters) have good magic and then I see Kroak just puke mortals all over the board and soak up Durthu hits like they’re nothing.
Cracked in half.
To be fair, durthu wiped almost a whole squad of temple guard and was very close to getting kroak. I rolled a 13 and he had suffered 4, so 3 more wounds and he would have been dead. Michael did everything right, but his assassination attempt failed :)
Good luck guys. We would love a play by play if you have time to do some filming. As a UK player, I can't afford the trip. But I'd love to see recordings of the AOS side, as 40k is too widely covered and AOS gets ignored.
Rock it for the channel guys. All the best.
We werent able to do filming but we just did a recap and that is going to be coming out to members soon
Great battlereport!
Just to keep in mind for the next one, if a unit redeploys, it cannot shoot later in that turn. Meaning that the Skinks that get a free redeploy cannot unleash hell later that turn. Didn't matter at all, I mean, it's shooting Skinks. 😂
I know david knows that one, It was probably my fault for baiting him into bad skink unleash hell
I did Cut my warsong for a Branchwych General savings Points. If she dies i get reprisal (Loosing grandstrat Hurts yes) and with the saved Up Points i still have my Lady of Vines as Warmaster. Potential 5+ Ward. 1 dryads Potential second unit summoned from the Lady. Tree revants durthu Belthanos 6 swords which i hope gets 2 Inch reach (50mm Base model) and i also Run a Arch revant to buff Belthanos and the swords.
I Like Michaels Swap to vanguard raptors instead of tree rev but i need 3rd Battleline.
Lady gives me extra Cast maybe you can try her Out Michael. Warsong should Drop in Points before i'll let him on my table again 😌
I like the list! We just got a bunch of new stuff for Sylvaneth, so you will see some fresh lists soon...
Hey
Love the show and love seeing Sylvaneth played, on really high level of competitive level.
Didn't see the use of "Nature Aetheric", this ability is just epic for making overgrown, especially vs strong casters.
I prefer using vesperal gym for securing my magical dominans, but prob gonna make you too many drops for a GT.
Keep up the good work and I'll be rooting for you.
There were 5 arcane on the board, so Michael never needed the ability :) he maybe could have made som mystical to get a ward save here and there tho :)
I know, but it also makes the terrain overgrown, so you can use teleport shenanigans
Excellent battle report (except you are messing with my mind, David playing Michael's army and you have swapped sides of the table-definitely twilight zone/mirror universe stuff!). I hope LVO goes really well, you deserve some good dice rolls.
Twilight Zone for multiple reasons. Iv'e gotta say I had a great time playing Seraphon, they are definitely a powerful army!
as an alarielle enthusiast i'm really wondering how belthanos will perform under the spotlight..
Big Bug is great! There are quite a few people running him at LVO, so we will see how it all shakes out!
Could the spiteswarm be deployed behind the trees stopping unbind visibility?
No, because Kroak can see through the wildwood (>10wounds) and he can unbind anywhere on the tabletop
Man I'm still trying to find someone with the minerals to run a hardhitting (non-magic focused) Sylvaneth list - I know that's the accepted meta with the exploding trees, but NO ONE runs without the Warsong Rev???
the fact that you can almost guarantee your grand is the reason he is in every list. We have some great Sylvaneth content on the way, stay tuned!!
Nice Betrap
Just with the presentation of the armies my prediction is… Belthanos doesn’t stand a chance
Fair and balanced
What paint did you use to get Belthanos’ bug so shiny and shimmery?
Check our Turbo Dork 3d glasses. Absolutely worth
How do the skinks Maintain coherency when they are stretched in a line like that? Don’t you need 1” touching 2 models for a unit of that size?
25mm bases are
Hey David, great game ! One question at 42:25 you say you rolled 11 but I see 13 … is there a minus to the dice roll… I don’t understand
You are correct, it was a 13 :) Kroak would still have survived, I just mis-spoke :)
Great vid as always guys! Why did Warsong get plus 2 on casting the Hive? (Newbie here)
Native +1 on her warscroll and +1 for standing on arcane terrain :)
@@BattleshockWargaming Thank you! And good job! For begginers, like me, your videos are by far the most easy to follow. No high tech needed. Just clean and simple
Can the Sylvaneth pull off an upset! Definitely tilted in Starbourne favor here!
Starborne are pretty good, we shall see!!
was rooting for sylvaneth I really like that list. Good luck sir!
I see what you did there lol. We are excited to see if the Sylvaneth have the bark to perform at LVO and leaf none alive!
Good luck at LVO! Did you guys swap sides?
We did!!
Did you change any terrain with Belthanos? I don’t recall hearing it.
No, there were 5 arcane on the board, so he didn't really need it
@@BattleshockWargaming good point. Just wondered if the mystical 6+ ward would benefit the dryads.
Any old world on the channel?
Unfortunately, Michael and I are a 2 man team and another game system is too much for our production work load right now. While others are diving into Old World, we will be working toward more content for our 300 members and AoS players specifically. We want to be at the forefront of AoS 4 release later this year and want to focus all of our attention on our beloved. That being said, Old World looks very fun and we know a lot of other creators will be bringing some great stuff. Mountain Miniatures and Season of War are great channels to check out :)
Guys, when Durthu tries to kill Kroak why the 6 attacks with the sword?
With the greenwood gladious as an artefact, durthu gets and additional d3 attacks with the big sword
@@BattleshockWargaming but he did not roll a 5 or a 6.
He gets an additional attack for being within 9 of a tree or overgrown. He should have had 5 attacks after rolling a 1 for greenwood Gladius. So he rolled an additional dice in error :)
Question can alarielle summen belthanos as a free unit instead of a tree lord.
No, this is specifically called out in the Sylvaneth faq on warhammer community :)
@@BattleshockWargaming thanks for the tip
You know Durthu can shoot right?
He was always running and charging:)
That is an atrocious matchup for the trees, did really well considering everything though, starborne are just nasty if you can't de-screen them quickly and full send after that.
Thank you for the comment, Sylvaneth hung in there and played the game still kept it close but that mighty skink castle was just too much
Spoiler....
Turn 4 you struck and faded Belthanos too far imo. You should have had him on the the middle objective but 18" away from kroak. That way since you knew Durthu and maybe the Swords were dying you still had another hammer for the next turn and also harder for him to take the objective from you with skinks.
Still not a fan of warsong rev this GHB with seraphon and khorne being two of the best armies.
The Warsong is good, but has counters :) the only objective that was safe in turn 4 was the one he already had strong control over, any closer and he would have lost his ward from the star seer and taken some heat 🥵
The seraphon look so boring to play / play against…
Starborne true, coalesced is less competitive, but way more fun to play, check out our video this week, you might change your mind :)