Been battling my mind over the issues I have with modern Christianity and a friend told me about 1st century Christianity through our talks about the oxford group. This was very informative and the exact information I was looking for. Thank you.
I have beem trying to understand and study what is the original christianity. It seems that the chinese underground housechurch movement is most close to the original christianity.
Hello Joe, I have watched several of your videos now and I want to thank you. Your teaching has been very interesting and helpful. I have a little experience with these concepts. I had a church in my home for about 7 years but now I have an online church for the last 5 years.
Brother Luke, I'm watching this video because of your church playlist, and very grateful! Thank you for pointing to this information, and thank you to Joe for sharing it.
Hello sir! Thank you for your videos very informative. Could you expand on the Melchizadek priesthood more. It makes sense, I would like more understanding. Thank you
On the matter of giving and what the monies are set aside for, you said something to the effect that the monies should not be for the church building or for the leaderships salary?
That is correct. There are 6 categories of giving in scripture. Those two in particular are a Levitical priesthood distinction. They are antithetical to a Melchizedek priesthood which was the priesthood that Christ restored. The Melchizedek model was the only priesthood model for the New Testament assembly. I hope to do a video on both these topics. The 6 categories of giving, and the Melchizedek priesthood, with its ancient history, its replacement by a Levitical priesthood under a salt covenant, and its vast superiority to the Levitical priesthood under Christ, once the Levitical order had broken their salt covenant.
This is the way traditional fellowship was in my past experience But sadly because of fleshly sins many of us parted way with the Church over non repented issues But at first it was a good bible study class Perhaps one day God will deal with their hearts and they Repent Good points on this
No bishop, priest or deacon participation in home church? - Sounds like a great way to spawn still another Protestant denomination, a new denomination for each home church
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it. In a first century assembly, the ecclesiastical structure is completely different than a Catholic or reformed Catholic (Protestant) ecclesiastical hierarchy. In a Melchizedek priesthood, every man is king and priest, or bishop over his own home. Assembly is just a meeting of priests for purpose of worship and mutual exhortation and study of the scriptures. Just to be clear, we totally reject a Catholic ecclesiology if that’s your question.
You might enjoy the interview on Covenants in Ancient and Biblical History. I don’t remember where we were talking about it but there’s a decent amount of information on the breaking bread.
That sounds like a loaded question. IN the Lords Supper or AT the Lords Supper? Please define what you mean by IN the Lord’s Supper. Are you referring to Transsubstantiation?
@@firstcenturychristianity6864 he means when you're eating crackers and drinking grape juice with others in remembrance of Holy Christ... some call it communion. Some, not all.
@@firstcenturychristianity6864 Order in all things. Let another interpret...... it doesn't say....and run his mouth too much. On a different topic, I noticed you said you were starting another channel, I asked for a link on another one of your videos on this channel. Also ...subscribed to this one. SIDE NOTE.... one man's blessing might be another man's knack. Or...gift. ANYWOOOO.... I'd really be interested in a link if you have another channel. I'm 4 vids in on this channel and have subscribed. I am curious about one thing... if it was an observance of the obvious....why did you ask the commenter what he was asking?
@@_rob_. Your comment was an observance on the obvious. I’m aware of what the Lords Supper and communion is. I’m also aware that there are a lot of variances to the observance and meaning if one has a Catholic or Reformed Catholic (Protestant) background. His question was worded in a way that left several possibilities of what he was actually asking. I like to know exactly what I’m being asked before replying to a question. Also, for the original commenter and anyone else that goes thru this thread, First Century Christianity observed a Lord’s Supper that was decidedly different in several ways than what virtually everyone in Western Christianity has been taught. Maybe as I have time I’ll be able to do a series on it. To your other question, I have not had time yet to do another channel yet. I’ve got a lot of material set back to do quite a few more topics, but just dont have enough time in the day, and unfortunately Im not as tech literate as I need to be to efficiently produce the vids
Seriously ? The 'Church' is the people not a building, regardless of where they meet. The idea that the breaking of bread is the Lord's Supper and is a weekly event cannot be derived simply from NT writings. True, Elders were appointed and not a priestly class. There was no need for a priestly class as the Christ had offered himself once and for all time and so no priests were needed.. There was no clergy laity diatinction ammong the very first Christians.
Good afternoon Gerry, thanks for the comment. I’d completely agree that the “church” is the people, not the building. After listening to the video again, I’m not sure what triggered your comment unless it was a generic reference to the church meeting somewhere. In which case, you’re gonna have to show some grace and realize that I haven’t completely expunged my Corporation Christianity vernacular. Regarding the breaking bread / Lords supper issue, I’d somewhat agree that my assertion cannot be derived solely from the New Testament. However there are several documents from the first and second century that state this clearly, that the breaking of bread with a blessing when believers are gathered was done specifically to observe the Lords supper. There are only a couple of instances where breaking of bread in the NT is not a provable Lords supper observance. More information on this topic is in my latest video on the Salt and Threshold Covenants. My apologies that I’ve not done a focused video on an early Christianity Lords Supper observance. Regarding clergy/laity distinctions you’re kind of right. Obviously it wasn’t modeled after the Levitical or Roman Catholic models, but there were distinctions within the men of the assembly such as bishops, elders, deacons and presbytery, though they operated nothing like the substitutionary priesthoods like the Levitical or RCC models. In a Melchizedek model, all the men are priests and kings of their own household, but it was common for the assembly to designate one or several man as moderator or elders in the assembly. They just didn’t have the same role as the substitutionary priesthoods would try to claim.
Lots of points stated here are conjecture & more conjectured then facts. Paul also was advising people he over areas of churches. So plural may referr to many churches.
Priest hood in Hebrews, is concerned with Jesus as high priest, because he came from Judah. Paul refers to care of those that minister over you & weekly offering for Paul to take to Jerusalem for brethren there.
While it’s true that early believers in Jerusalem did frequent the temple, as seen in Acts, this seems to be an anomaly to the Jerusalem church. As to the synagogue attendance, I can find no supporting evidence in early Christianity in the first two centuries outside of Paul and Barnabas’ attempts to share the gospel with them. Once a synagogue had rejected the message, there is no evidence to suggest synagogue attendance by believers, and there’s abundant evidence to show that believers weren’t welcome there and even persecuted and targeted by the rabbinic leaders of the cities. The idea that early believers were allowed to peacefully coexist in the synagogues around the world is just not supportable from anything I can find in history or canonical texts.
Didn't Constantine build a building. I watch Expedition Bible and he is an archaeologist who shows a lot of cool places. But he shows early church buildings. So I don't know how you can say they only met in houses or public places.
I appreciate the comment, but that’s not really the reason. In fact, if they had buildings, it would have seemed more normal to the pagan cultures they were living in
@@prasenjeetupadhyaya6762 I might be late, but I always see most of Muslims says "Islam will dominate the world, The world is for Muslims" yep I see those quotes many times
Been battling my mind over the issues I have with modern Christianity and a friend told me about 1st century Christianity through our talks about the oxford group. This was very informative and the exact information I was looking for. Thank you.
What issues do are you having?
I have beem trying to understand and study what is the original christianity. It seems that the chinese underground housechurch movement is most close to the original christianity.
Dude this is incredible!
Hello Joe, I have watched several of your videos now and I want to thank you. Your teaching has been very interesting and helpful. I have a little experience with these concepts. I had a church in my home for about 7 years but now I have an online church for the last 5 years.
Brother Luke, I'm watching this video because of your church playlist, and very grateful! Thank you for pointing to this information, and thank you to Joe for sharing it.
@@TS-yd6cn Awesome! Let me know what you think about this subject..
Great Video keep the content coming
Hello sir! Thank you for your videos very informative. Could you expand on the Melchizadek priesthood more. It makes sense, I would like more understanding. Thank you
On the matter of giving and what the monies are set aside for, you said something to the effect that the monies should not be for the church building or for the leaderships salary?
That is correct. There are 6 categories of giving in scripture. Those two in particular are a Levitical priesthood distinction. They are antithetical to a Melchizedek priesthood which was the priesthood that Christ restored. The Melchizedek model was the only priesthood model for the New Testament assembly.
I hope to do a video on both these topics. The 6 categories of giving, and the Melchizedek priesthood, with its ancient history, its replacement by a Levitical priesthood under a salt covenant, and its vast superiority to the Levitical priesthood under Christ, once the Levitical order had broken their salt covenant.
at 5:22 - I just found out last week that tithing is not biblical...blew my mind. It was for Gentiles living amongst Israel. Crazy.
This is the way traditional fellowship was in my past experience
But sadly because of fleshly sins many of us parted way with the Church over non repented issues
But at first it was a good bible study class
Perhaps one day God will deal with their hearts and they Repent
Good points on this
I can't find a first century church
Here in Canada.
Im tryna be like the first century Christian’s.
No bishop, priest or deacon participation in home church? - Sounds like a great way to spawn still another Protestant denomination, a new denomination for each home church
Thanks for the comment. I appreciate it.
In a first century assembly, the ecclesiastical structure is completely different than a Catholic or reformed Catholic (Protestant) ecclesiastical hierarchy.
In a Melchizedek priesthood, every man is king and priest, or bishop over his own home. Assembly is just a meeting of priests for purpose of worship and mutual exhortation and study of the scriptures.
Just to be clear, we totally reject a Catholic ecclesiology if that’s your question.
what the 1st century Christians believed about the "breaking bread"? is it only symbol?
You might enjoy the interview on Covenants in Ancient and Biblical History. I don’t remember where we were talking about it but there’s a decent amount of information on the breaking bread.
I think I found a channel!
You sure it didn't find you?
Do you believe in the True Presence of Jesus in the Lords Supper? Why or why not?
That sounds like a loaded question. IN the Lords Supper or AT the Lords Supper? Please define what you mean by IN the Lord’s Supper. Are you referring to Transsubstantiation?
@@firstcenturychristianity6864 he means when you're eating crackers and drinking grape juice with others in remembrance of Holy Christ...
some call it communion.
Some,
not all.
@@_rob_. You seem to have a knack for observing the obvious, without adding to the conversation.
@@firstcenturychristianity6864
Order in all things.
Let another interpret......
it doesn't say....and run his mouth too much.
On a different topic,
I noticed you said you were starting another channel, I asked for a link on another one of your videos on this channel.
Also ...subscribed to this one.
SIDE NOTE....
one man's blessing might be another man's knack.
Or...gift.
ANYWOOOO....
I'd really be interested in a link if you have another channel.
I'm 4 vids in on this channel and have subscribed.
I am curious about one thing...
if it was an observance of the obvious....why did you ask the commenter what he was asking?
@@_rob_. Your comment was an observance on the obvious. I’m aware of what the Lords Supper and communion is. I’m also aware that there are a lot of variances to the observance and meaning if one has a Catholic or Reformed Catholic (Protestant) background. His question was worded in a way that left several possibilities of what he was actually asking. I like to know exactly what I’m being asked before replying to a question.
Also, for the original commenter and anyone else that goes thru this thread, First Century Christianity observed a Lord’s Supper that was decidedly different in several ways than what virtually everyone in Western Christianity has been taught. Maybe as I have time I’ll be able to do a series on it.
To your other question, I have not had time yet to do another channel yet. I’ve got a lot of material set back to do quite a few more topics, but just dont have enough time in the day, and unfortunately Im not as tech literate as I need to be to efficiently produce the vids
Sir are they galilean aramaic
I’m not sure what you’re asking
Seriously ? The 'Church' is the people not a building, regardless of where they meet. The idea that the breaking of bread is the Lord's Supper and is a weekly event cannot be derived simply from NT writings. True, Elders were appointed and not a priestly class. There was no need for a priestly class as the Christ had offered himself once and for all time and so no priests were needed.. There was no clergy laity diatinction ammong the very first Christians.
Good afternoon Gerry, thanks for the comment.
I’d completely agree that the “church” is the people, not the building. After listening to the video again, I’m not sure what triggered your comment unless it was a generic reference to the church meeting somewhere. In which case, you’re gonna have to show some grace and realize that I haven’t completely expunged my Corporation Christianity vernacular.
Regarding the breaking bread / Lords supper issue, I’d somewhat agree that my assertion cannot be derived solely from the New Testament. However there are several documents from the first and second century that state this clearly, that the breaking of bread with a blessing when believers are gathered was done specifically to observe the Lords supper. There are only a couple of instances where breaking of bread in the NT is not a provable Lords supper observance. More information on this topic is in my latest video on the Salt and Threshold Covenants. My apologies that I’ve not done a focused video on an early Christianity Lords Supper observance.
Regarding clergy/laity distinctions you’re kind of right. Obviously it wasn’t modeled after the Levitical or Roman Catholic models, but there were distinctions within the men of the assembly such as bishops, elders, deacons and presbytery, though they operated nothing like the substitutionary priesthoods like the Levitical or RCC models. In a Melchizedek model, all the men are priests and kings of their own household, but it was common for the assembly to designate one or several man as moderator or elders in the assembly. They just didn’t have the same role as the substitutionary priesthoods would try to claim.
@@firstcenturychristianity6864 : Appreciate you taking the time tp reply and your honesty.
Uh, do your Bibles have Paul's first letter to the Corinthians?
@@danvankouwenberg7234 :Indeed.
Lots of points stated here are conjecture & more conjectured then facts. Paul also was advising people he over areas of churches. So plural may referr to many churches.
True on house churches & public areas, and possible rented spots at times. 2nd century was first attempt at full time building.
Priest hood in Hebrews, is concerned with Jesus as high priest, because he came from Judah. Paul refers to care of those that minister over you & weekly offering for Paul to take to Jerusalem for brethren there.
They did go to synagogues and to the temple regularly
While it’s true that early believers in Jerusalem did frequent the temple, as seen in Acts, this seems to be an anomaly to the Jerusalem church.
As to the synagogue attendance, I can find no supporting evidence in early Christianity in the first two centuries outside of Paul and Barnabas’ attempts to share the gospel with them. Once a synagogue had rejected the message, there is no evidence to suggest synagogue attendance by believers, and there’s abundant evidence to show that believers weren’t welcome there and even persecuted and targeted by the rabbinic leaders of the cities. The idea that early believers were allowed to peacefully coexist in the synagogues around the world is just not supportable from anything I can find in history or canonical texts.
Didn't Constantine build a building. I watch Expedition Bible and he is an archaeologist who shows a lot of cool places. But he shows early church buildings. So I don't know how you can say they only met in houses or public places.
666 views on this video.
Interesting.
October 2, 2021 at 4:11 PM
Lol! So you were the 666th viewer! You win a prize! Interesting’er and interesting’er.
@@firstcenturychristianity6864
sorry christian, but your discernment is off.
I was 667
just...
say'n.
They didn’t have church buildings because Christianity was illegal for a long time
I appreciate the comment, but that’s not really the reason. In fact, if they had buildings, it would have seemed more normal to the pagan cultures they were living in
Read Islam, not muslims! We are all humans we are like you trying to do good, avoid mistakes.
Have you ever read the Quran?
Why should we read quran
@@prasenjeetupadhyaya6762 I might be late, but I always see most of Muslims says "Islam will dominate the world, The world is for Muslims" yep I see those quotes many times
Stick to the point.....first century church begins with the Constantine
Um, Constantine isn’t until the 4th century . . . . . . The early church was around long before then
@Yanlotha Rolen
Stick to the facts....first century church begins in Jerusalem with Peter and James at the helm.
I'd not have you ignorant.
At the time of Constantine was the beginning of Catholicism, thorough institutionalism…so far from Christs teachings