The Uncomfortable Truth About Magic: The Gathering in 2022
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2024
- What might go down as the worst year for Magic product releases has left many in the community to wonder why this all happened. Stock prices falling and parent companies demanding wider profit margins has created a consumer environment where scams are encouraged at the cost of longevity.
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30th anniversary 1000 dollar "product" is a joke and deserves to fail miserably
1000 for proxies.
L take
The card conjurer C&D was it for me. If their stopping fans from making custom cards and alt arts. That's a company that don't deserve my money.
The problem with that was he was trying to make money and violated copyright law and had no choice but to send a C&D.
Luckily, someone on the MTG proxies subreddit has a guide on how to run Conjurer locally. Not all is lost!
@@prestonandersen1865 He claims he wasn't. Also, trademark, not copyright.
@@BlueTemplar15 It's certainly in the realm of infringing on copyright (which protects artwork and specific presentation of rules), and may also be a matter of infringing upon trademarks.
He was hosting images of cards on the website, images of mana symbols and such, that's the issue.
What he needs to do is run a simple "card editor" allowing for any kinds of card size like normal card, yu gi ho card, pokemon, mtg...
And let people import their own images, deal with the template themselves, but allowing them to save the template they create. Not giving them the template allready made for mtg cards.
If he does that, wizard will not be able to sue him because he doesn't host anything they posses, he would just let people use his website to do custom cards of any kind, not only MTG.
Wow. Glad to see thge companies are feeling the hurt the rest of us went through the last few years. Hasbro ruins everything they touch. D&D, MTG, NERF, ETC.
Buy things from your LGS, or your fav online store. Laziness has it's cost, companies prey on it. Keep the great content coming Void
Thanks! While I believe Magic will eventually recover under better leadership in the future, these are certainly some dark times.
@@CommanderVoid Thanks for the Reply. Hopefully the MTG community will benefit. Down times usually bring on innovation and revolution. Stay Happy and Healthy, keep the great content coming.
Speaking of laziness and monopolies, any plans to stop using CZcams ?
Oh wow, I think you're aware on what Hasbro has been making for D&D, aren't you?
@@mrblackjacker32.03 Has been, not have been. The new edition might be ok. The last few are sub par.
I used the optimizer recently, and was surprised when some of the cards I got looked mint rather than the lightly played I purchased . Now it makes sense, they were listing stock at various qualities with very small price difference just to move stock. Makes sense now.
It has already begun.
They're starting to issue C&D's to proxy websites.
Card Conjurer is already down, that's just some 20-something year old's fan project.
Yep it fucking sucks
This was the most concise version of this rant I've seen on this platform. As usual, great work and I'll be passing this around to friends as well.
I got into this game less than a year ago and one thing I noticed right away is if you want to play, you have to become a collector. It’s hard to want to collect a product that’s controlled by people who don’t care about it.
I just started with arena in August, I can't even imagine the spending if you're playing with real cards.
I started because while I never really played I always thought the design was so brilliant. It's sad the ways it's going downhill. I hope something fixes this or somehow wotc finds a new owner or idk what. It's just sad.
The collector bit is relatively new in Magic’s history. The only sets that used to have this were the very early sets (Alpha, Beta, Revised), or anything on the Reserved List. But otherwise, the cheapest deck to build for 60 card was often extremely competitive: Burn. Don’t need to break the bank to get a Burn deck going and Burn will always be good in low-life formats. The issue stems mostly in more recent sets from about 3 years ago and forward (coincidentally, Hasbro demanded Wizards double their income in 5 years… about 3 years ago, and they announced this year that they reached that target in sales). Some of the most rewarding parts of deck building is doing a lot with a little and while some cards are objectively better, you don’t need the best to have a good time.
@johnbuscher Man, I miss old school MTG so badly. Why can't the metagame always be like this?
The "Kiddy Art" Secret Lairs are wizards partner ship with Extra Life which is a Children's Miracle network. The revenue from that goes towards sick children. Also the "Kiddy Art" is done as well as commissioned art done by professional artists. Look at the most recent Slivir Legion looks amazing!
Angry man is yelling at clouds. Many arguments with a failing understanding of economic concepts. Zzz
@@diggitydamndave6478 Me? Or the guy who made the video?
@@alexanderhukriede8787 the guy who made it lmao
I mean WOTC promotes the purchase of proxies officially now, so why ever buy a set from them ever again? Just buy or print proxies. They want to ruin their company to sell $999 proxies, let them.
thank god i live in europe and we have the stellar cardmarket.
Thanks for all the hard work! I dont use tcg player as i like getting all my cards at once but also bc o found card kindom has some great deals. Card kingdom, on average, i found sells some cards for a bit higher than normal but if u are looking for precons or certain other products then u can sometimes get them for well under the secondary market value. I got the mutate precon for 50-60 bucks along with a bunch of other items which is 20-30 dollars less than everyone else
Card optimizer is a scam. Tried to buy a commander deck via it, but when I saw the total price was double what I was expecting, I had to go into the inflated cards and find the actual market price ones. It was rough. I felt pretty violated.
Half a decade ago I used a 3rd party tool for cardmarket that seems to do the same thing, didn't notice any issues ?
Yeah i optimize and then manually edit my cart around now. I also remember when Direct was $25 for free shipping and now it's $50!
It's not a scam. People are abusing it, which is a bit different
@@shatzinorris1417 found the college grad still living at home with mom and dad
@@hahahafunniness mate... its less cringe for a college kid to be playing mtg than whatever you would make yourself ought to be 🤔
I miss when 60 card decks came in cardboard boxes. Remember 6th edition through like Mirrodin?
yeah I quit after mirrodin power creep made my entire collection unplayable overnight...
@@differentlyabledmuslimjewi4475 Oh sweet Jesus, I must’ve missed that part. Haha
I literally only.just got into MTG and its a little sad to see all these videos saying it's dying.
I hope gets back on track someday
Don’t worry, you get used to it. Magic has been “dying” for like 5 years now. Are there issues? Sure. Can you still shuffle up and find people to play with? Absolutely. If all else fails, you can just use Cockatrice to play online.
@@johnbuscher 15 years you mean. But as someone that plays MTG for 20 years I'd say this is the worst mtg has been at by far.
Yeah, there's always some drama and people saying it's the death of the game. I wouldn't get too into it. Just enjoy playing the game!
Play it with proxies, and you can still have huge amounts of fun playing it. It's just become cooler than ever to normalize proxy acceptance
Been playing with high quality proxies for years. Never going back
I would be wary of listening to Alpha Investments. He's not one of us players, he's one of those people who sees MtG as a financial product first and foremost. He doesn't like when absurdly expensive staples get cheaper.
Sellers and investors don’t generally like seeing the value of their items depreciate.
I agree except that in the current climate the investors and players are both getting screwed by Hasbro. His latest videos have been spot-on.
@@CommanderVoid that's my point. He is riding the WotC hate train but not for the right reasons. He even directly said fuck you to the people who want artificially overpriced game pieces to be cheaper.
@@TheChronoG When he tells you not to buy the 30th anniversary packs for $1k are you seriously thinking it's all for himself. Vendors and LGS are what gets you the product. Items like this is how you will soon be buying packs from Amazon and Walmart you corporate bootlicker.
He has been for YEARS screaming the sky is falling, collectors should bail, and dear sweet rudy will buy those cards..for 350 and he is taking all the risk here. Only reason he is pissed is hasblow kills the game he is left with a ton of overpriced cardboard because local gamestores wont run events and few tournaments are left. Folks wont spend silly bugger prices when they can play kitchen sink proxies they printed on the computer..or arena.
Cardmarket here in Europe is a far healthier platform than Ebay or TCGPlayer. There aren't as many speculators here as in the US.
the easines of selling cards and the huge amount of multilingual customers and seller, also helps in keeping speculators low, cant really speculate well when the platform is flooded with normal lgs and ordinary people selling their stuff as well. Cardmarket is very close to a true open Market.
Can't sell my 8th edition Factory sealed set tho :(
What they don't realize is that LGSs aren't just middlemen: they're the heart and would of the game, because that's where the community is, that's where you meet with friends to play, that's what you buy the cards for. Without the local communities, most of mtg is doomed to fail.
I think they're starving LGSs to feed MTGArena. That's what it feels like. They're cutting them out because they have a fallback plan if it bites them in the ass.
"they're the heart and would of the game" - what?
@@TheLuminousCleric Heart and BLOOD* c'mon now, you could figure it out.
@@asthmeresivolisk3129 No! Take the time to write a proper sentence!
@@TheLuminousCleric Having had the original comment elucidated, do you have any comments concerning the topic at hand?
Ebay now owns both parties of the system. Great! No wonder nothing is getting fixed. The hiked products just give them more money running through. This is just dumb.
I personally really liked the Event Decks. I miss those. I guess they were replaced by Commander decks
My only issue with mtg rn is this OBSCENE card quality. I’m almost to the point of if I see something I like I have to get the etch foil or a non foil because anything else just warps into a taco after 10 minutes of being left on a table.
Fail
Omg. Funko just announced that eBay is their official partner too! And now they’re selling their exclusives directly through eBay. eBay is trying to take over the collectors scene.
Sounds like a solid strategy, a completely unregulated market with prices based solely on whatever the most you can get someone to pay is rife for exploitation.
Seems like whenever a company goes public it just means a crappy product for the consumers.
Let the investors and collectors get hose ,they been manipulating the secondary market for years ,regular players deserve to be able to buy any cards without spending $500+ for one card when that cards shouldn't be anywhere near that price
I noticed a lot of the MTG youtube channels overall have stopped giving shoutouts to TCGPlayer and don't have promos with the site anymore, this would explain why. Lots of different channels support different sites now like channelfireball, card kingdom, coolstuff inc, etc. I guess everyone's tired of TCGPlayer(Ebay's new plaything)'s crap.
Channel fireball is owned by TCGPlayer
@@Sakurachan556 that would explain why channel fireball is losing customers too.
This game should die in flames with proxies as the new basis. However there are too many corporate bootlickers who will sell their soul for a year supply of secret lair.
@@noblegalifreyan4551 I'd be with that. I'm totally down for proxies being the basis that way I don't need to spend at least $100 to make a deck.
@@Devilish420 CFB signed its own death warrant in 2020 when they paywalled basically their entire site. When you're entire gig is that you are the guys who aren't paywalling your content, it reasons to believe people will not be happy if you suddenly do start to paywall your content. It was literally the only reason anyone would use them instead of StarCity or TCGplayer (now moot since they're owned by TCGplayer, who raised the prices of CFBPro lmao). I will never not be happy to hear about bad things happening to CFB after LSV had the balls to tell us that paying money to read previously free content was gonna help CFB grow and better for us.
I remember walking into game stores a decade ago where over 3/4 of the store was for MTG and MTG accessories. Now, in several of the stores I frequent, MTG is relegated to basically the space behind the counter and the rest of the store is Pokemon and Warhammer. It's pretty obvious that LGSs are fed up with the WotC BS. On the flip side, as this video explains, people keep manipulating the secondhand market and artificially inflating card prices. This is a game, people. There is no reason to scalp people like this for game pieces.
Great video Void. I could not believe it when I read that TCG Player sold out to Ebay.
If i had won the powerball, i would have bought WOTC from hasbeen hazardboro...there is a delicate balance that is now missing, and that missing piece is a huge part of the Magic that is now missing
If i won, i wud have done the same. Ive been playing since 1994. It really bums me out to see where this game has gone.
And Hasbro wouldn't have sold it to you. D&D/Avalon Hill are worth considerably more than magic.
I tried to pick up the game this year, bought starter decks and played Arena, tried to learn to play etc - the constant need to buy new cards and have your cards be made basically useless turned me off, that and no-one else in my life playing it just made me give up. Now I'm playing Marvel Snap.
TCG player perpetuation over the last decade has ruined the social aspect of trading for me.
ALso WOTC has historically made drastic changes to their Magic products year in and year out going all the way back to the 90s. The main difference is that 2 decades ago they were more keen to learn from those mistakes and try to rebuild customer confidence. The last decade ish, basically since Masters sets became a thing, they tend to double down in the hole they dug and rarely resolve problems. They just ignore them and pop them back up in 3 years hoping most of their newer players dont notice.
I do miss those Planeswalker and the verses decks. They made me feel good to have a playable deck when I first started playing.
Not going to lie its a good time to buy actual decent cards for commander. With wotc down the overall value does too so more causal formats win out big.
We have at least 29 years of cards to play with. They kinda gave us a way to stall for time lol
All TCGs are overprinting product now. Magic, yugioh, Pokémon, Digimon, etc
I’ve been saying this for a long time and general market will keep crashing until this change.
This companies think that the demand from 2020 Is still there, but it isn’t, what happened at that time was an anomalie and is not coming back.
One of the things you have to keep in mind with share prices right now is that they are all very low. We have plenty of companies lost 20 percent to as much as 80%, so this CZcamsr mentions tech and semiconductors taking a hit. There is a lot of potential for it bounce back, but the real hard times may be taken by the people that run game stores or hobby shops.
On the LGS side and I know this is my personal experience, I've seen a lot of places I'd go for Magic now also include other popular TCGs, Digimon, Pokémon, ect. This is not only hurting them but making them turn to Hasbro's competition to make their living
I have only bought 2 secret lairs, ironically for opposing reasons. I bought the Bob Ross lands. Yes I know it was just basic lands and the value makes no sense. But, I loved Bob growing up and his show gave me such peace that I just wanted this secret lair. The only other one I've bought was the Phyrexian Praetors. Frankly because I wanted a copy of all of them and buying them altogether in that SL was the cheapest way to do it. Not to mention the Phyrexian script is pretty cool as well. I have loved a lot of the artwork from other SL's but just could not talk myself into paying more than the original worth. I have stopped buying from TCG Player because I've gotten burned by a couple of sellers and it's just not worth the hassle of researching every card to make sure it's legit priced. I buy from my lgs or online from Star City or Card Kingdom. One seller, actual brick and mortar store, better consistency. Maybe a little higher price (usually not enough to make much of a difference), but the quality is worth it.
The praetor lair was the only one I ever bought. I got it in foil and in nonfoil, then waited a few months and sold the foil set to break even on both. So I basically got my nonfoil for free.
I think it might help to take on a wider, historical perspective. WotC makes decisions years in advance, so the state of the market now will impact 2024... maybe. Hasbro has owned Magic since 1999; it has become their primary money-maker. They have a vested interest in profit, but they also require good will from a fresh community. If Hasbro not only made Magic survive but thrive for over 20 years, this is just an inconsequential shift in ownership and a niche nostalgic product for old people by old people. Still gonna pause on my Hasbro stock investments for a year tho.
I have to say, I bought a few
Secret Lair products in the past. I like most, definitely not all, of the artwork, and I did specifically buy the two Extra Life sets. You specifically called out the kids art of the BOP as being trashy. Maybe...I look at those two this way: WOtC states "Our proud partnership with Extra Life continues in 2022. Because of your support, we’ve donated over $4 million since the partnership began in 2015, and we’d love to see that number grow higher and higher! 50% of each Extra Life 2022 purchase will go to Extra Life and the Seattle Children’s Hospital Autism Center.". Extra Life is a program of the Children's Miracle Network Hospitals. If I spend a measly $60 for a few cards that have kid's art on them and I know that some, not all, but some of that money is going to a good cause, I'll do it. Again, and again, and again. I can't imagine my son being in the hospital for an incurable disease and not having the money to pay for it. However, given all of the controversy concerning WOtC currently, if you can show me proof that they are not donating that money, well two things; 1: I'll stop buying Secret Lairs all together, and 2: that would lead to a class action suit against them. If you can't, then I'll sit at home enjoying my beautiful foil children's artwork BOP and Sliver Legion and Craterhoof and etc.
1. Refuse to invest in your core product
2. Sales Tank
3. Executives surprise pikachu face
I would like to add that I have a sneaky suspicion that Konami sells the chase cards direct to certain vendors and sells us chase card deprived product.
Konami? That's Yugioh my dude. But yeah you're probably right.
I totally used ‘jump the shark’ on my little channel lol…. Nice… I agree we have 3-5 years before the game recovers or sinks…. Emotion based value or soft investments are the first to loose value during recessions…
Is Magic getting to be 30? Damn, I remember watching bewildered as people were suddenly appearing with piles of these cards instead of wargame or role-play items at some local game stores. Time to get a lawn to get people off it.
$1,000 to own 30ish cards that aren't even legal? That's insane. What's even more insane is that they are sold out! I really don't get how collectors are impacted, though, since these are not legal cards. The super rare cards you already have aren't being reproduced - they don't even look the same.
TCG Player is very the american side of the medal. in europe its cardmarket from private sellers to private sellers or from smaller business to private sellers. good video overall. as longer as i watch ur video i see all the negative points of tcg players; looks like capitalistic issue. cardmarket is way better; perhaps cause noone bought it yet. often i was confused why some cards was showing on tcg player graphs very high and peaked, but still very normal cheap price on cardmarket
part of that is because of actual increase in demand, not just bs, it depends
It's almost as if markets are chaotic and unpredictable.
Maybe we shouldn't put things people NEED TO LIVE in the hands of markets.
In Germany (or at least in my area) we have a different issue impacting our LGS. They are not profitable anymore. After die rise of the Commander format and the ridiculous rise of prices in the single card market, it turned out that is more profitable to do that instead of running this LGS together with all the stuff that comes with it (like organizing tournaments, providing a space to play...) or just make such a fortune within the single card market, that they can just stop working for several years.
Ever since the TWD fiasco, I have refused to buy secret lairs or any special hasbro-exclusive cards. I always and only have ever bought from Card Kingdom and local LGSs. Card Kingdom doesnt do individual sellers, it's just one company that follows the market median value most of the time as far as cards above $1 are concerned. I know my cards will be in the condition I purchased at and I know it's not a rip off. This year has been awful for buying worthwhile cards.
The power creep of MTG has become evident and the over-saturation of content has begun to hurt more than help, I find it hard to resist buying certain cards because I know their potential is immense. I don't want my favorite decks to become unviable in the level of play I enjoy, but then I am forced to make precision edits to my decks so they don't lose their identity or sense of ballance. Even still, I find that there are more and more "staple" cards coming out that are a must-have for my decks, and I'm running out of reasonable replacments. When your deck is all value, any cut seems wrong. I'm not against all the great cards that have come out, I am glad to include them where I can, but the speed at which they come out is too fast to keep up. I cant afford to be buying from each set when they come out like I could 3-4 years ago, everything good is expensive before it hits the market and I just dont have the wallet to keep up.
I wish WOTC would at least slow everything down. Release a secret lair every quarter, release 2 sets a year at most, and put a lot of time and effort into each. Players want quality, not quantity.
Exactly. I didn’t get to play much during the pandemic. Lately, I’ve fallen behind updating my several Modern decks. It’s too much and too expensive now that power creep and The Modern Horizons sets have basically rotated almost everything out of viability.
I never really played Standard because after a couple years the cards essentially became worthless (as a player, not investor/collector).
The alternative was Modern, which has a steep initial buy-in, but then you were set, replacing a few cards here and there with anything good that trickled through Standard. I managed to do this for years, but I can’t keep up with it financially anymore.
So, I’m in the process of selling everything. If I can’t play, these cards are useless to me.
Just to add: 5 sets have always been released in a year, with a block in the first half of the year, new core set, and then a block in the second half of the year. So going to only 2 sets a year would be less than half of what they used to make even before they got on the “consume product” train.
@John Buscher if by "always", you mean "recently", then sure. There were much longer stretches between expansions in the early days.
@@lordofthemound3890 Wait, I thought Yugioh was the only TCG that suffers from immense powercreep. Explain how MTG powercreeps the metagame so badly...
gotta be honest, i used to buy a box regardless of how nothing is worth anything at this point just because i had fun cracking packs when a new set was released. but with how many sets there are now, the price increase, and the blatant disregard for consumer feedback, i've completely stopped buying boxes and just order singles and the commander deck products (those are basically singles orders in bulk). so i've massively cut what i spent per set from a couple hundred to at most $200 depending on how many singles i want.
so at least a 33% decrease from me alone. and with quite a few friends looking at quitting, i might follow if i can't just enjoy the game.
Singles still feed Wizards money. People have to Crack packs to get them.
But the number of "standard" sets hasn't changed in the last 18 years : 4 per year ..? (Though the summer sets have much less reprints now.)
@@damo9961 well there is the big issue. am i suppose to punish the LGS for decisions made by wotc/hasbro? i figure as long as my store is supporting the game and my friends play it, the best approach is support them a good bit but just not spend as much.
The TCG thing was kind of a bunmer, people are trying to make fast sales as they try to sell so they try playing the market in their favor by flooding it with prices way too high for the card
I can't believe we've gotten to the point where we are talking about the financials of the game. This game has been toxic for decades. Built upon feeding secondary markets which is the primary customer. The game is secondary to them, and the players are just a captured market. I am glad the fanbase is waking up. Please take this time to realize it's not just collectors packs. It's everything in the game that is hyper inflated. Stop buying cards period. Proxies are just is good if not actually better print quality than the actual cards from wizards.
I have never purchased a secret lair or a Collector booster and I never will. Collector booster and SL's were the beginning of the disaster we now find ourselves.
What was the history with the Duel Decks? They were never really for me, so I didn't pay much attention.
Secret Lairs don't strictly hurt an LGS because they can buy them as well and sell the singles in store or online for more than the initial cost. For certain cards this is a cheaper prospect than having to purchase product through a BuyList.
Thanks for making this video, corporate greed won't stop until people vote with their money
Hard disagree on Secret Lairs. The only bad one was TWD, and ines with bad art of expensive cards (though I'd argue that's more a problem with the reprint scarcity of those cards). Every other Secret Lair is good, either being a discount on an otherwise expensive card, or providing art to niche crowds of financially accessible cards.
I am not for one second going to try and defend Hasbro or Wizards of the Coast, but the original artist contracts for MtG require WOTC to pay royalties to the artists when they use their work, so that could be an additional cost in creating MtG 30th. Does not excuse it in the slightest, but I thought I would point it out.
I see the 30th anniversary being a quarter of the price it's going for now. I hope they don't kill mtg with their greed. I have played since 94 and have always been happy playing. But hasbro is testing my patience with pricing out 99% of the player's just to make the stars they pander to happy.
If it was $19.99 I’d totally buy some lol but $999 makes me LAWL
I don't think I've ever known anyone who actually used the cart optimizer on TCGplayer. That thing was janky as hell and did NOT work properly most of the time.
6:35 reminds me of the time I went to my LGS and bought 4 Steam Vents. Because I trusted the guy at the counter, he managed to sneak an awful condition, Japanese version as the third card. After I confronted him later about it and asked about an exchange, he said that I should have looked. He was right, but I never bought from them again.
Aaaahhh, another one of the things I used to love ruined by capitalism.
I stopped buying Magic product two years ago. Nowadays, I just play casual commander and printer go brrrrrrrrrr.
Seize the means of (card) production, comrades!!
Lol capitalism isn't perfect and foes suck sometimes, but assuming there is a better system because you're an entitled snowflake is ridiculous.
Capitalism is the best system we know of, and without it Magic wouldn't exist at all. Eutopia does not exist.
Go work at a concentration camp, commie.
About a platform deleting negative feedbacks, it happened to me on CardMarket (the European equivalent of TCG Player).
I bought a Spanish black bordered Dark Ritual that ended up being a white bordered card with its borders inked with a black marker.
I haven't used the platform again ever since. And I never will.
Not buying Magic is a great idea. It will really bring Hasbro around if we did it right.
wotc does the extra life ones for charity dont know if the money actually go to where its supposed to though
I genuinely hope the game and the company comes crashing down, they deserve it and have no sympathy from me. Their greed is their hubris and the corporate bootlickers online is nothing short of their consequences
Have long have you been playing Magic?
Glad I found those card renters for MTGO. Although, it’s just paying them in a roundabout way. I pay mana traders, they pay wizards 😕
In short, excellent video. I share your point of view.
I am at the point where i am just going to proxy the cards I wanna play with. I stopped buying from them.
The whole stock market is down, nothing special for ebay and Hasbro....
Thank you for continuing to cover this and inform us. So is Card Kingdom our best bet now?
I’ve recommended them because I’ve bought from them and live on the opposite coast. Shipping will have a bit of a delay by comparison since it depends more on your location.
I only use card kingdom most the time shipping is fast like 3 days some times a week matters if a new set is being released or not the prices are not bad pluse they have so much to offer.
I bought my deck for 25 dollars 60 cards and looked up the price on tcg and other places to get the best deal and it was higher on other places so I stick and swear by card kingdom.
Pluse the do give aways and you can sell to them also.
At first it may seem like tcg is better but I didn't like it
Well, so sad to see all this happening, Due to the lack of consistency on TCG and Ebay pricing I just stop buying from them and moved to coolstuffinc where the prices are more stable.
Huh, I was very much against the collectors edition, but it was more of a knee jerk reaction in the beginning, I wasn't even aware ebay bought out TCG, but that card optimizer thing has gotten me before.
If you make the customers happy, they will spend money. In turn will make share holders happy.
If you think TCGplayers feedback system is fucked. Ebay takes the cake, as a seller you eat it on every order that is lost. All negative feedback has to be dealt very quickly regardless of who is at fault. Ebay will never step in.
ive stopped after playing arena for 3 years.
id still consider it fun f2p. my childhood
decks i still own as well. but magic has
the same tragedy than many other of
the most famous franchises. it has
become stale, the cool ideas are out.
they keep remaking stuff, like in the
games world. their biggest fear is
trying something new, cause they
know their only chance of survival
is for the people to hold onto it.
its nothing else like star wars,
brands like coca cola, nike.
The cost of making the cards is exactly the same as making 4 brothers war booster packs - possibly even less. the card quality is exactly the same, and foils still curl. The only real additional cost here is the added deckbox, and changing the art back. That's literally it. The deckbox is about the same material as a deckbuilder's toolkit, which contains roughly the same amount of cards. So, realistically, the MSRP of a toolkit runs from $20-$30, and the cost is probably around $5-$10 to produce. This product is literally no different. Heck, I'll even be generous and say it cost them $50 to produce it, but that's not likely. So, we're basically looking at $950-$990 profit per box. Now, to be fair, some are being double shipped, but that's still $900 profit. Trust me, if they spent anywhere close to $500 to produce these, you can bet there would be some firings right now-but no, it costs literally about the same as a toolkit.
My printer goes Brrr
I saw the title and thought Gerald Butler was gonna talk about it ;)
every card game ive ever played has been broken.
Hearthstone, Yugioh, Legends of Runeterra, Pokemon, Magic the Gathering, etc
Explain how the other TCGs got broken?
Ebay bought card kingdom AND tcg, but they also bought the majority of the secondary market and kind of integrated a big sealed product business with a big facilitator for market movement. My guess/foilaht is that wizards cant ignore the secondary market any more, and sees it as competition. Theyd rather sell you the card 12 times direct, because those shocklands going around store to store out of grinder decks from tourneys only make hasbro money once. In the end, a person that wants to sell / trade a card has fewer choices for merchants. Either its your LGS, ebay (or affilated ck/tcg) , and other services like conduit. The customers know that a foil double masters planeswalker costs the same as a standard legal planeswalker in foil to print, even if you release one in june and the other in october. A lot of the ELD IKO and early commander sets soured a ton of players with game design decisions, packaging/quality questions, competitive play issues, and a bunch of confusing lauches and rebrandings like arena, brawl, pioneer, pioneer on arena, brawl decks, economy, etc. They sold as much product as they could while they had a captive audience at home during the pandemic, and continue to tank goodwill. Joanns giftcards? Curled Foils? From a business acumen standpoint its clear that there isnt much of a plan other than coming up with more ways to prop up unsustainable growth in a luxury good industry during a recession. Even if they got rid of all the boxes but draft bundle and PR, only did original IP high fantasy, and 1to1 arena and MTGO, and eliminated EDH design, they still lost customers, and faith forever. They all of a sudden find a bunch of legends then finger fuck the customers and the reprint policy? I hope there is a book about this one day. It feels like a cold breeze blowing. Id be suprised if a bunch of big collectors didnt go after wizards in court when all of this is said and done. It is so strange to see an entertainment company that doesnt have a clear product or customer focus.
.... What was wrobg with duel decks?
While the rest of the market is down a lot too. But Hasbro ceo says they will keep on printing.
As an outsider (but player ofmother tcg's) i find that the reserve list (and set rotation to a lesser degree even though I think it's actually overall ok) reeks of a game that caters to Collectors over players anyway, so I really dont see how this collection only set is any worse than telling people their 500 dollar deck is illegal now or refusing to reprint cards.
I have to say i am one who buys secret lair regualarly, BUT only when the art and the cards are cool for me, but recently the new lairs have been horible, bad card choices, reused old artworks and other weird decisions. At the beginning i bought like 2-4 for kinds of lairs each drop, but now it is very hard to even find 1 lair that i find interesting.
You really have to remember that TCG Player is only really a thing in the US in Europe people use CardMarket nearly exclusively and we have whole other prices, most often way cheaper.
And I've never covered CardMarket because I haven't heard of similar rip-offs in the European side of the secondary market.
It's just that the US based companies I mentioned have a significant stranglehold over the future of the product cycles we receive by comparison.
@@CommanderVoid yeah on our end it’s pretty great, especially on the bulk we pay compared to us basically nothing
You say the lack of newly commissioned artwork helps to keep the cost low for 30th edition, but paying for the rights to use the old artwork under the 1993 artist contracts likely makes the cost per card higher unless the print run is kept small (which it appears to be), just seems worth mentioning
4:36 What a Disgrace. Proud birds they where. Turn one to lay.
I have purchased exactly 2 secret lair EVER. The walking dead and the commander deck which I still have yet to receive. I will not be buying 30th. I actually slowed buying sealed in general
Thankfully, most europeans use card market which is showing no signs of faltering imo.
I've had a long break from Magic. What was wrong with Duel Decks? Concept sounds interesting.
I stopped paying for real cards a decade ago, I play arena and print custom proxies through card ordering sites, 200 for 6 decks is well worth it but double sided cards mean you can do up to 12 decks for 200 after shipping and taxes. MTG as a collectible game is dead. Its a card game and if you pay premium for game pieces to play with your friends you're a fck up.
A lot of the secret lairs are sweet, most of the products, most, are good, the speed of release is a bit much. Yes there are some bad actors on tcgplayer, but consumers have to be savvy, you can artificially inflate a price if there is real demand the price will just collapse as it already has on a few cards shady actors have tried to raise the price on.
Love that when I get ready to sell my commander decks I no longer get to play the prices plummet ..
if prices being low is an issue to you then you dont want people to play just like people who want the RL to stay but bitch when no one plays legacy/vintage. its cardboard
Love your content, I’m tired of being jerked around by these large companies. We need a new market place😅
We need better economics, period.
Love your Rose Tico videos.
Hasbro is basically a video game company at this point.
Absolutely hate what Hascrack has done.
I voted with my wallet and I’m currently out.
Even Arena.
Go my man
Good vid!
I know it sounds bizarre, but the real secret is you don't actually have to spend any money at all to be invested in the game. Proxies and online play have made the game more accessible than ever before, and even just going to a local limited event only costs $10-30 depending on the set. Honestly being a fan of MTG has never been cheaper. You don't HAVE to buy anything to play the game anymore (unless you're a tournament player I guess, and even then only the official sanctioned ones at that).
You don't HAVE to put gas in your car, but it's kind of hard to go anywhere on an empty tank.
This
Yeah if all you want to do is play limited and starter decks on Arena the game is totally free.
"You don't' have to buy anything!"
And then they shut down proxy card websites.
@@fiachhoffman9590 bad analogy. You can literally go to your local library, format a word file so it has all the images of MTG cards you want fitted on the sheets (9 cards fit nicely per page), print them off, cut them out, and put them in front of basic lands in a sleeve. No one will know the difference without looking too hard.
Reprint Dual Lands! The financial value of your collection is meaningless. Make the playing pieces cheaply available. You know it will happen!
Im soo glad I gave up this game after new mirodin.