How Hasbro Killed Magic: the Gathering (Part 1)
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- Hasbro has made a LOT of mistakes, and Magic: the Gathering is suffering. Can the game be saved?
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I hope Hasbro's stock tanks so much that they have to sell WotC off. Hopefully to a company that will actually look after WotC and its customer base.
WotC being sold to a different company could (hopefully) be a great solution!
Best I can think of is a big investor who's well known amongst the community to come save the day. Which is the biggest longshot in the multiverse.
To buy work and purge those woke employees.. including maro
Modern MTG cards are a broken disaster. They're clumsy and over complicated. It's like they're trying to cram an entire deck's worth of mechanics onto one card. Look at MTG cards from 20 years ago. Cards generally did one thing, and did it well. The complexity of the game came from the synergy between the cards. Also, building a competitive deck wasn't that expensive back then. And finally, there's too much emphasis on MTG as a collector's item, not a game.
DUDE LOCAL STORES AREN'T EVEN RE STOCKING SHELVES WHERE MAGIC CARDS USED TO BE ANYMORE
Yikes! That’s bad
"YoUrE pRiCe SeNsItIvE!"
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I love seeing them fail, can’t think of a company that deserves it more. You reap what you sow
I feel so alienated from a game that was so important to me and my friends
Becomes easy to wax nostalgic for those older sets and simpler times of magic.
I know I'm in the minority, but I loved watching GPs and such, it was my football! After they moved everything to arena (watched the first arena tournament that Andrea won) it kinda went to shite. For one thing, it degenerated into their "circle" constantly playing each other, and obviously, the arena system is rigged as fuk, so it's not real magic.
I watched GPs and SCGTour like every weekend for years - it was so fun!
Very well said, especially that point #3, now that they have acknowledged proxies as actual mtg products, nothing matters anymore, there are like 15 players in our small community, and we are now just happily playing with proxies, we are done with supporting this greedy behavior from Hasbro. New sets and yearly commander products used to be very exciting, because they don't come around really often, nowadays its just a never ending spoiler seasons after spoiler seasons it feels like LOL, same goes with secret lair, it no longer feels special.
Totally agree! Spoiler season used to be exciting, now it’s just endured
Not to mention 3rd part proxies are starting to look all too much like the real products.
Great video. I agree with just about everything you said. Creating the pro tour was the smartest thing they ever did!
Thank you! The PT was such a great goal and spectator event, I really hope they can successfully bring it back!
Hasbro are doing this with everything, not just MTG. Transformers toys with yellowed discoloured plastic, straight out of the packaging. Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black Series action figures that are lacking the attention to detail of previous figures from 2/3 years ago. They are making everything cheap and undesirable.
Really? That’s unfortunate to hear, but unfortunately not too surprising. They gotta expand their vision more longterm!
And (I know ... I might get some crap for bringing THIS franchise up) but My Little Pony as well, the merch offerings for fans is lacking IMO and the latest shows are definitely a mixed bag quality wise as if Hasbro is trying to grab what made FiM, the 4th generation of the franchise, successful, and continue to let the proverbial slippery eel fly out of its hands.
I'm Anti Proxies. Unless it's to not ruin a genuine card or for tokens.
Nice. I’m all about genuine cards as well!
Same here. Playing with genuine cards is one of the great joys of this game.
mtg is not coming to an end, only the mtg you knew and love
its the same thing for many of us
Btw Wizards increased profits over 3.5times or 350% in 2.5 years and they planned on doubling that the next 3 years. Lol so 700% profit increases do not equal higher costs for paper and ink. Lol wishing you all well….
Hopefully they can increase that profit on growth of the game and not short-term gimmicks that damage the game and company long term
@@MagicMetalMoney considering they haven’t invested in creating a superior product in 30 years and are now laying off employees, hoping for better outcomes seem naive and requires a level of faith even real magic users seldom achieve… sell n make plausible proxies n play freely
They could easily make more unique products such as figures,shirts,counters,mats etc rather than focusing on cards so much. The reprints across the whole board needs to substantialy slow down in fact I believe a reserve list is needed after so many printings of a card now. As a former collector of unique cards such as fnm,Player rewards,gameday,judge promos and unique promos designed for prereleaae I would go to those events and try and collect play sets of each. Not much of a motivator swaping out for prize packs which are now just a cheap version of the other 5 versions already availble. Wotc also needs to quite making commander players their main focus, too many commader decks . Notice the best commander decks this year with any real value are not ones made for a set release. Wotc needs to visit their past and use it as a role model or they are doomed for failure.
Secret lair foils need to be higher quality for what you pay for as well. My warhammer 40k cards came curled to shit
The foil curling is soooo bad. Like how is this still a problem literally years later?
@@MagicMetalMoney how is it a problem for them when Pokémon solved that problem 30 years ago?
@@joebaumgart1146 Great question... lack of care, I suppose?
For the purposes of EDH, are Optimus Prime and Darksteel Colossus different cards?
No, they’re the same. Confusing but those are the rules lol
@@MagicMetalMoney I thought as much but wanted to confirm. Guess I don't need Prime now. 🙂
Which Optimus Prime? The one from Brothers War is actually different.
@@joebaumgart1146 The Darksteel Colossus copy, thought it'd be funny to run in Jhoira alongside the Iron Giant himself.
4:46 - "Spirit of the reserve list," IMO, is too ill defined to take serious. The closest thing I can can think of that would make sense is "A means to not completely kill consumer confidence," which IMO doesn't beget being able to print things like this - Hasbro and WotC just needs to grow some balls. By that, I mean telling the people who bitch and moan about WotC doing stuff the RL allows to just sod off.
That, and IMO if reprinting cards in a manner that the RL explicitly allows by means of the statement of how it only applies to tournament legal printings, IMO that's a problem with people who clearly are either illiterate, or don't give a crap that the RL allows it.
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I was gonna try to find people to play casually with...
Hasbro is at this point kicking a nearly dead horse. I would be surprised if WOTC is still in business a year from now.
Just found my premier reviewer of Secret Lair before IF i buy them
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1 draft box of Dominaria Remastered for play and that's it for me and WOTC this year. I'll buy Singles when I see fit... most likely when the prices crash 2 to 4 months after international release.
That 5 card pack Business is complete and utter bullshit but some fools still buy so WOTC sees that as reason to sell us less for more.
I haven’t even looked at Dominaria Remastered yet. 5 card packs?? WHY!?!
@@MagicMetalMoney that's the March of the Machines: Aftermath. They're gonna give us 4 uncommons and a rare/mythic in a pack.
So 5 cards per pack, 24 packs and $120+. It's an insult...
@@a.khaosnarine9118 not a magic player or collector here. If all cards are uncommon, aren't they common? Are these cards of another set? How many cards rarity are there(no alrernative arts or different holografics, just for a play standpoint)?
@@a.khaosnarine9118 geez… that’s bad
@@jacopodondi2372 magic has gotten sad interms of game play and value. Nothing is actually rare now... I mean nothing. Imagine Foils and alternate art work for some cards are cheaper than the standard version...
The pro tour is the investment back into the game that Hasbro needs to make to keep the game going. Not everyone is happy to just play casual Commander all the time. Personally, I hate Commander. If i'm going to play a multiplayer game, I will just play a board game.
Resurrect the PT!
no one cares about the pro tour other than a handful of players. What they really should've have been doing was continuing the long term viablility of the FNM Draft/Standard cycle (which actually allows the protour) but the power creep and release of so many sets have literally killed that part of the game. That kills new players entering and leaves just whales/collectors and you're average addict giving them money along with the casual commander scene which they're also killing off due to power creep. Casuals are in it for fun and all these losers who must win muh mtg and buy every power card to give them an advantage are pretty much all that's left of the casual scene. There's too many other things to compete for that time now so you're average player which used to probably account for 70%+ of the player base has left or stopped buying.
Oh boy. Look at how hasbro stock is now.
Just playing limbo! How low can you go?
One word. Slivers
S4L - Slivers for Life
@@MagicMetalMoney NEVER!!!
@@eviljigglypuff2254 lol fair
I shall return from the ice in 10 thousand years.
Imagine advocating to have shop only open one day in half year.
Dig the lego harry potter. Personally, I limit myself to star wars, but still respect.
Haha thanks! 🧙♂️
I didn’t quit magic but I switched to digimon as my primary tcg lol most magic cards I buy now will be singles to support lgs
i don't know what information you read to make you decide to go to an inferior product .
Never played digimon, but a few people at my LGS love it
It was actually the predatory attack on dnd that made me turn away from hasbro as a company in general. The wallet is more important then the experience to them for sure
@@MagicMetalMoney It's by far the best TCG and it will take 2023 by storm by dominating the market.
This has not aged well already....
sport card companies do the same thing. they create a cheap prodcut you can buy at walmart. like 1.99 a pack. then you will find "hobby" boxes; and they don't sell singles of those. so you have to buy the whole box. then they have boxes which contain only 1 pack and costs 250 or more. for just 1 card. people buy that; and no one ever complains about the price point. this "angry community" is just a localized issue ; pertaining to mtg only. meaning; people will pay 5000 dollars for 1 pack ; if thats what the cost is. a sucker is born every minute.
We the Players are the Magic. The cards are cheap medians. Print your own Plausible proxies.. 30 years of text available and plenty of Etsy artists to hire or work with… A good card stock printer is about as much a collector box… lol….
Lol
Sold my last reserved list 2 months ago for 1/2. People don't get how far it's gone. Plus all 13 yr olds in 93 are 43 and older. If your into n pokemon, you got 5 years before it happens to you
Remember Richard Garfield played the game, HAS plays fireside chats
Geez, that’s a rough hit. They gotta turn this ship around!
I got in at the worst time.
Their NOT Proxies, They Are Reprints. We Dont Call Collector's Cards Proxies. Its Worded That Way To Get Around The Reserved List. Lets Be Real...
They Come Straight From WOTC Printers....
lol right right. NOT proxies.
hasbro can't kill magic. if "killing" ; you mean no more printing cards; then let them. all physical cards will skyrocket in price . again; i say let them. i would love it to see a 10 cent card ; now going for hundreds.
Terrible take. Many people are not willing to pay so much money to play a game with no official support.
@@DeathGripsFan69 I'd take this over the current trajectory. Maybe even community-supported going forward. We create a DAO and a crypto governance token $MTG and pay the committee through defi.
Make more videos
Haha I’m trying to do better! Got a bunch in the pipeline!
You sound like a hasbro executive
@@moodlampActual LMAO hopefully I have better quality control than their foils!
I bought 35 secret lairs from 2020-2021. In 2022 I purchases 3 and all were cancelled. (Here be dragons, Advent Calendar & 40k collectors edition- not secret lair but I'm counting it). So I want to say thank you Hasbro for saving me money!!!
This is a perfect example of how more is less for them. They gotta pump them breaks!
35 SLDs??! Doesn't sound like you saved any money😂
The loud internet community is a small part of the community you can not assume that it speaks for the larger part of the magic community. We need to adjust how we approach magic, dont try to buy everything anymore. You need to pick and choose what to engage with. The amount of products can be overwhelming but the days with engaging with every product is over and that is ok.
If you're trying to keep up with standard or drafts, just not possible. Sucks to have to update your deck every few weeks or so. We're not made out of money and the amount of players leaving the game makes these events less enticing altogether. They're cashing in on the casuals and eroding the base that's stuck with them for decades.
@@JupiterTarts if your only keeping up with standard there were only 5 sets, so shouldn't have been hard to keep up with.
@@JupiterTarts also i would note that no they are not betraying long time players for casuals, here is what people are not getting, they have products for all the different types of players. That is the point in so many different products they are each filling different and overlapping demands. Deck building in commander is more fun right now than it has been since the earliest days of discovery because there are so many cards to explore. Here is something to note and this comes from many lgs around me, i have about 15 or so just in the county i live in, casual players spend much much more money than competative players. Casual players and collectors tend to buy more sealed products, where as competative players tend to buy just the few singles they want for decks. I would also correct you in that i have been playing since alpha. Most of the players I know have been playing that long or near it. Not a single one of them had a problem with any products other than the 30th crapiversary. Most players also don't consume online creator content. They have barely any idea of the drama online other than for the crapiversary and most of them don't know about that. They are enjoying the products having fun and playing. Too many content creators have been indulging in the online negativity because it is getting them views. This is making the active community more angry than the overall community really is in general and this is unfortunate. People have themselves so worked up they are looking for any reason to be upset and over looking all the great things that came from this year. 4 or 5 years ago, i had 5 commander decks, that was all that was really worth building generally because decks would get to similar, repeat to many cards and strategies, not to mention many cards were very expensive because there were not enough reprints. Now with the variants, reprints, and many new cards it is a commander brewers dream come true. I have over 90 decks now. Since i have all the options each of my decks can feel unique, have its own look and strategy. The state of commander has gotten so so much better. Now standard players, well thats hard standard has been dying for years, this year doesn't have anything to do with it, and the volume of product is unrelated as most of it is not playable in standard. Arena hurt standard as you can play at home, the pandemic hurt standard because no imperson play. I think however standard started dying years ago. People like me, and there are many, after years of playing got tired of rotations and cards losing most of their value after rotation, and not getting to play with our favorite cards from years before. Now for myself, i was generally bored with 60 card magic. I would have never come back after the original innastrad rotation if it wasn't for commander getting more and more interesting. I had commander decks before this point to maybe catch a game before or after a draft but they were jank and not really thought out just fav cards slammed together. For me around the time that innastrad rounded out, commander was becoming more interesting and thoughtful. I fell in love with singleton as it let me explore more of magic to create the repetition and reliabillity that comes with 60 card decks. Commander is just a better format than any of the 60 cards in every way and the decks allow for more exploration and personalization in my humble opinion. If 60 cards is your jam don't let me stop you, just mostly wanted to point out, that i and people i know are long time players and we like the volume of products, it makes casual much better. This really shouldnt have any bearing on standard other than design is recently eternal first but at the same time they say that most of the cards in the standard sets are dumbed down for standard. Sorry this was long but I wanted to be clear. Lastly i would add casual players are spending the most money, so in turn they should have the biggest voice.
I haven’t bought a sealed Magic product since Kamigawa. Most of my cities play groups have all switched to proxies along with the LGS’ since they don’t do WPN events.
@@hiddenleaf414 not sure why anyone who wanted to hasn't been using proxies as long as thet have ever wanted to. I don't play proxies because I like owning the real card but either way is a fine way to engage with the game. If someone doesn't want to spend money or can't afford to, proxies let them play the game. For myself i don't play proxies because i enjoy owning the cards
Rudy should get a loan from Elon musk to buy wotc
Lmao I love this idea
30th cards aren't fake and cheap. Gold bordered cards are real and valuable, even tho they're not legal. Check the prices on the old collector's editions...The breaking of the reserve list isn't a problem either, players want the RL done and gone. The only problem with magic 30th is the price point. If it was 10$ a box, it would have been a huge success. Also the LGS model is dying. WotC has been selling direct to players for a while...online. They know the paper model is shrinking and digital is the future.
Would’ve been fascinating to see magic 30th at a cheaper price point such as $10 a box. I bet you’re right, people would’ve probably loved it.
@@MagicMetalMoney for 10 bucks; id probably get 2 boxes. ive had gold bordered cards in the past. i hated them lol
Yugioh has a reprint set with gold bordered cards that are legal to play every year. One booster box is ~$20, and it is typically a rather successful product. Not as collectible, maybe, but a lot more generous and accessible.
Content cycle clearly isn't moving fast enough for this guy if he has to hyperbole this hard to make a video
I don’t think there’s too many secret lairs, I think secret lairs are misused, they should be focused on being valuable reprints that can go directly to consumers to undercut the secondary market for overpriced cards
Right. We cannot allow any LGS to make money, either with singles or with sealed product. Amazon dumps take care of the sealed product, Secret Lairs deal with the singles. Down with the LGS!
@@kurtilein3 simple solution: give LGSs shipments of secret lairs and bring back MSRP
@@kurtilein3 Translation: OH NOOO I CAN'T SCAM KIDS ANYMOREEEEE, I USE LGS's AS A SCAPEGOAT
Well when you get woke....
I've been playing magic for 24 years. In my experience it's the best it's ever been. I'm loving the crazy variety with all the new cards
That’s a great perspective 🙂
Game play wise, I agree. We’ve had a lot of great constructed and limited formats over the last couple years.
Ok Chris Cocks.. We know it's you buddy. Cut the act.
Take a nap.
please only comment on videos you want to engage with
Hasbro didn't ruin it, wotc did with their braindead politics, and even more braindead business decisions. It's pretty impressive how they managed to take the greatest card game ever made, and turn it into a complete waste of time and money.
The irony. Now you can leave
The best game run by the worst company. It’s truly tragic irony
Ironic that you say that WOTC has those politics when its Hasbro the ones that do.
@@jironamos7650 No it isn't. Wotc was like that long before Hasbro bought them out.
Secret layers okay that's what they are called those cards are the reason why I like collecting some magic 🪄
1000 is month or two rent, where you living.