'THIS HAS CROSSED A LINE!' đ - Craig Burley on Nottingham Forest's public VAR criticism | ESPN FC
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 04. 2024
- Steve Nicol, Ale Moreno and Craig Burley join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC to react to Nottingham Forest's social media critiques on VAR after their loss to Everton.
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There is nothing wrong with saying the truth. They were cheated in broad daylight. At least 2 of them were crystal clear. You can't blame them for coming out to complain. So you are saying people should not complain for fear of retaliation?
Grow up
â@@environm3ntalist549grow up for speaking the truth? What a muppet you are
everyone complains about refs decisions.
not everyone flat out accuses the refs of cheating in order to save luton from relegation.
if Nottingham Forrest have evidence that the VAR deliberatley was trying to save luton from relegation then they should show us, or they should shut the F up and stop spreading lies.
@@environm3ntalist549 You need to.
@@environm3ntalist549weak human with zero integrity is all you are buddy stfu
Funny how all of the media is defending their mates but 95%âof fans agree with Forest.
If itâs not the club then who should talk up shut your mouth Craig
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Lodge a complaint? This is fkn Twitter. Any 8 year old can post that.
if your going to accuse a ref of cheating then you need evidence.
Forrest have no evidence. they are embarrasing themselves.
Write a formal letter lol.
Well done Forest đ ... Corrupt PGMOL rightly needs to GO đŻ ..
awful behaviour.
what evidence do they have that luton are cheating and bribing refs?
none.
forrest deserve a huge fine for accusing luton of cheating. its pathetic.
Forest are not wrong at all. Why is the PGMOL above reproach? How come nobody can hold them accountable? Were they wrongly denied three penalties? Forest don't need sympathy, they need three points to avoid the drop. Will PGMOL take accountability if they go down?
So what is the premier league going to do about var? They have been absolutely atrocious!!!!
Nothing. Bookies pay them too much
same thing our refs have always done, try to get better.
they have been shocking, awful, terrible, bad at their jobs.
but there is no evidence at all that referees are trying to save luton from relegation.
thats just a a dumb thing drunk morons say.
So now we know ESPN FC pundits are also getting paid by Sky.
oh its sky paying?
why are sky paying refs to save luton from relegation?
luton that big of a team?
i thought forrest and everton were bigger?
anyone who thinks there is corruption to save lutons season is a moron.
forrest deserve a huge fine for publicly accusing luton of cheating.
â@@NeilLewis77 Are you being paid by PGMOL to make comments here.... On every post supporting forest... There is comment from you..... Who are you VAR (cant remember name) or paid by PGMOL...??
@@tufailsofi1435 im just a fan who is sick to death of hearing morons spout conspiracy theories.
the refs have cost my team a league title this year because they are so bad at their jobs.
but there is NO evidence of any corruption. like at all.
the earth is round. deal with it.
@@tufailsofi1435 blah blah.
now im corrupt too?
got any evidence? no.
the earth is round. deal with it.
not everything is a conspiracy.
refs make bone head decisions and always have.
its not corruption. obviously.
"ye that linesman 58 years ago must of been an england fan. so corrupt"
its just dumb thinking.
refs have made mistakes since the game began.
why in the last year or two does everyone suddenly keep saying its because they are corrupt?
the rise of conspiracists is just awful.
Why pundits want us to think that referees are beyond corruption?
Because UK think theyâre superior then anyone else and beyond corruption đ€
Not a single pundit has any back bone. It was cheating plain and simple
I basically agree but the producers of all these sports media shows won't have talk of corruption or anything, so if a pundit did come out and say it's cheating then that pundit would be sure to lose their job. Everything's corrupt and it sucks.
what evidence do you have for that?
if the refs are cheating to save luton from relagation then why isnt it working?
who paid them to do it? luton? lutons fan base?
was it paid in cash? or wire transfer?
how much was paid? to who? when?
do you or has anyone got any evidence of this cheating whatsoever?
i laugh at morons who think refs have been paid to help man city win the league.
now i have to laugh at morons who think refs have been paid to save luton from relegation.
despite the fact that neither might not happen.
musnt have paid enough.
all you conspiracy theory nutcases are crazy.
the earth is not flat.
not a single one!! they're all yes men and clowns'
Forest are 100% correct. Good on them. The PGMOL are a corrupt bunch of incompetent bellendz. Officials deserve the same abuse this lot give players and managers. These pundits are quick to slam players and managers but not refs. Howard Webb needs sacking.
Well said.
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its fine to say the refs are bad at their jobs. we have all done that for decades.
but what evidence is there that the refs are trying to save luton from relegation? none.
accusing people of cheating with no proof is so dumb.
@@NeilLewis77no , not all refs, just one Luton supporting ref who should not have been officiating. Maybe a Forest supporting ref could referee the Everton v Luton game. That would presumably be fine
@@scifimonkey3 I thought it was the VAR guy who was the Luton fan?
Whats the refs excuse?
They all Luton fans?
The linesmen? 4th official?
It's just bollocks mate.
Itâs facts tho this is rubbish decisions by supposed professional Referees
Shhhhh... Small clubs should just lay down and take it up the rear. Obey all authority. Do not complain or criticize the overlords.
Calling it a rubbish decision is one thing. Saying the VAR is a "Luton fan" is a completely different thing. If true, there are official channels for that sort of thing. If false, then it brings the game into disrepute far more than any mistake made by game officials.
@@rudyarness8317 lol đ like you also need glass for watching football games all season the referee decision making has been embarrassing and disgraceful and Michael Oliver is a Newcastle fan stop making yourself seem new to football
@@UTDMarcx so you know, for a fact, that the refs just give decisions against their most hated teams and give things for their favourite teams?
you have sat with these refs and discussed this have you?
they admitted that to you?
obviously the refs have been shocking and made bad decisions.
but accusing them of flat out cheating with no evidence is dumb.
if your unaware of how refs work then your the one who is new to football.
@@NeilLewis77 well I mean if u knew the rules of football and you watch football across Europe u can clearly understand whatâs the correct call and whatâs shameless bias or blatant robbery - no you can pretend to be a saint and perfect human when in reality you are just pretending for social media because Iâm pretty sure even u have bias and have acted upon it in life so donât try to make these shambolic referees sound like theyâve been capable all season with the mad calls - completely open spectrum of subjectivity that constantly differs between each ref it makes no point there is no standard there
As a LFC fan, we've hurt ourselves this month. But the VAR and PGMOL has screwed us all season. It's a joke, bravo to NFFC for their statement. You see bullshit, you call it out.
If liverpool had accused the refs of deliberatly ruling out luis diaz goal against spurs in order to help man city win the league i would of been so embarrased.
theres just no evidence of it.
the refs are not conspiring to save luton from relegation.
forrest deserve a big fine for spreading such a lie.
refs are bad. obviously.
but you cant publicly accuse people of corruption with no evidence.
Pundits are out of touch with fans
A Forest loss benefitted Luton
I have no issues with clubs making statements and looking at further options but it probably is over the line a bit to accuse them of bias and cheating. But criticizing the refs? We need more of that, there have been so many issues this season itâs crazy. They should not be untouchable as far as criticism.
â@@joncoishof course there is bias.
Forest had voiced their concern even before the match & then this happens - 3 penalty shouts not given. It is too much. You can't invest so much in trying to stay up & have these number of decisions go against in a single match and by the way, it directly benefits a direct relegation battling team whose fan, one of the official is.
big time
They r getting paid more money to say things they want them to say
Officiating in the PL is a shambles. Three obvious penalties being waived off âHas crossed the lineâ for referee incompetence. Enough is enough. Go Forrest !
Neville, Carragher, Burley all trotting out and parroting the same stuffâŠI mean how long do you go before you start calling this inconsistency out. Thereâs no accountability and this year has been absolute nightmare. Take the two F.A. Cup semi finals two almost identical situations where the ball has hit a playerâs upper arm thatâs reasonably close to his body. Yesterdayâs quite rightly not given, but today itâs a penalty. If they canât get that right then what chance is there ? If you keep on making mistake after mistake then tempers flare and emotions get highland you have more chance of what you saw today happening. It needs sorting but oh know itâs being deflected yet again by you guys putting all the floodlights on Forest.
Exactly. Toeing the corporate line. They know who cuts their check. Neville said the same things when Paul Tierney screwed Forest vs Liverpool a month ago... "what do they want, to replay the game???" They want consistency and accountability Gary!
they are calling out the insane idea that refs are cheating in order to save luton from relegation.
they arnt.
its a made up lie.
and your a fool for falling for it.
refs are bad yes.
but no one is cheating to save luton from relegation buddy. just look at the table.
Sounds like they have all been given the same script. The only question is does the header have PGMOL or a Premier league logo on it. The broadcasters are in a cosy cabal with the premier league because they dont want to lose the broadcasting rights.
@@scifimonkey3 to save Luton?
Why?
@@NeilLewis77 No, nothing to do with saving Luton, everything to do with saving PGMOL and the premier league from the embarrassment in the advent of a football regulator being appointed.
What is the club supposed to with 3 possible penalties waved away. They have had a few things go against them, so all the get is an apology. They are trying to stay up, yet poor officiating looks like it could cost them their place.
forest are 100% correct đ
This isn't the first time Forest have been screwed. They are right to call out the pathetic officiating
Most fans think the pgmol is corrupt. Based on the double standards in almost every game. Its about time someone from a team said it.
Why can you not talk of both the message and wrong decisions
the mistakes were obvious.
refs make mistakes all the time.
always have.
but there is no evidence that the refs are trying to save luton from relegation.
thats a made up lie which should cost forrest a massive fine.
STEVIE! Mike Dean has literally admitted to corruption in games, and knowing of more. It does happen. I agree it's a truly OTT and disgusting statement from Forest, and I put 99% of bad decisions down to sheer fecklessness, but let's not pretend these jokers from PGMOL are above reproach
Stevie just needs to see Michael Oliver & his HONEST City officiating.
We should all just sit their and keep quiet and pretend everything is ok then
No way they said the fans will not have sympathy for Forrest, these guys are so out of touch.
its the fans that are out of touch.
no one is cheating to try and save luton from relegation.
its such a dumb lie that forrest deserve a big fine.
â@@NeilLewis77I am a Liverpool fan but they got robbed. If refs have 0 accountability while ruining fair competition, why should not they get fired just like everyone else?
@@NeilLewis77 you are the refs nephew I bet
@@monarch1993 the refs are bad at their jobs.
But there's no corruption.
Just stop it unless you have photos of refs accepting bags of cash or if you have records of wire transfers or something.
It's mental.
The earth is round.
@@hiitsgabe___ no I'm just not dumb enough to believe in silly conspiracy theories.
The refs suck at their jobs.
No one is paying them to save Luton from relegation mate.
It's mental.
Why are they blaming the owners đđ
There is no way Craig agreed all three should have been penalties but says the club canât call it out. What are they supposed to do? How blindly ignorant does Stevie have to be to say thereâs never been any referee bias or blatant corruption when refs have come out and admitted it. We all have eyes. Look no further than the head of the organization Howard Webb and his infamous treatment of Man UâŠ
its fine to call the ref bad at his job and point out his mistakes. we have always done that.
but to accuse refs of cheating to deliberatly try to save luton from relegation with no evidence is so dumb thats it laughable.
Forrest deserve a huge fine for bringing the game into disrespute.
@@NeilLewis77 Maybe, but surely VAR (from the world not the one ref looking at it) is the proof if the entire community unanimously agrees itâs a pen (god forbid 3).
@@BDAShadow1 of course they were pens. Shocking ref performance.
Disgraceful. He should be reffing in the old league two next week.
But no way has he deliberately made himself look a fool and jeopardized his career in order to try and save Luton from relegation.
That stuff makes no sense.
@@NeilLewis77 Itâs crazy you say no way, itâs entirely human to make a career threatening poor decision based on emotional bias.
@@BDAShadow1 you really believe the VAR guy deliberately threw the game by not overturning the refs decisions?
And why was the ref so bad?
He a Luton fan too?
It's just not a credible conspiracy.
Why do people think the refs cannot be corrupt ,they are humans ,we have players that are betting in England are they from other planets ?..Please give me break with all this holy are though sermon about refs in England .
ok then who paid what refs to save luton from relegation?
how much was paid?
by who?
to who?
when? where? was it in cash? or a wire transfer?
what eveidence do you have?
if the refs are corrupt and deiberatley cheating in order to save luton from relegation, then why are luton in the relegation zone?
accusing luton of cheating with no evidence is dumb and forrest deserve a huge fine.
Isn't it be more important to focus on all the poor referee decisions?
We the fans of football support Forest 100%
No you dont
Your out off touch with the fans VAR is destroying the game
yes but accusing luton of paying refs to save their season is so dumb that forrest deserve a huge fine.
Welp these guys clearly don't get it smh
This guyâs get paid to tell so many lies itâs a shame we media these days
Glad to see so many comments from fans of other clubs supporting Forest for calling this out. Pundits should take note, too many seem to be frightened to actually speak up on whats happening week in week out in the Premiership.
For the whole season VAR and raffrees are moking teams and viewers doesn't thats cross the line. Shame on youPGMOL yet more shameful decisions are to come.. No integritty from PGMOL and VAR...
This is the reason the officiating is so bad right now... Pundits always defend them after teams call them out.
Why is not ok for the NFFC to react how they want if they feel they were unfairly treated which in this case they were. Blame the dishonesty of the officials rather than trying to blame the club for reacting.
The club talk how they feel because its tru
So out of 3 blatent penalties we get none... regardless of the corupt ref...
The sliding tackle without getting any of the ball one was as clear as day a pen, however the VAR ref (Luton fan), decided he was Stevie Wonder for a few mins! And yet these pundits still wonder why everyones talking about blatent corruption...
Saying this is what they do in Greece is smells like discrimination to me
Britain could not be corrupt at anythingđđđ
These pundits smoking a rare type of weed
I think it must be public, the PGMOL and VAR has gotten huge decisions wrong all season. Three penalties denied in one game needs fo be called out
Fans are tired of either cheating or horrible quality officiating. It's one or the other. Honestly, this should have already been talked about.
Who wouldn't want integrity questioned? The world needs more integrity checks all round.
Forest said they'll explore their options. Thing is they don't have any options.
The fact that all the highlight videos donât show the VAR decisions is highly telling.
English refs are the worst no other league got this much errors
They can suggest Forest are out of line even to highlight that a var official is a Luton fan but there was obvious concern to raise the point. Then when you look at the decisions made it doesnât seem such an unreasonable a request to be looked at. Yes it might come across as unprofessional but so are the inconsistencies with decision making in matches that are a weekly talking point with every team. Forest have just said what most of us fans think and had enough.
Imagine going to a restaurant, being served food and telling the manager "this chicken is not cooked", he ignores you and forces you to eat it, only for you to get food poisoning the next day. You come out the next day and say you warned the company, they forced you to eat it, and now you're in the mud.
And then big name chefs around the world come out and say you're embarrassing and it's not the company's fault. This is what we're dealing with. They're all in bed with each other
Doesnt change the fact that we could have 12 year olds officiate the game better
The guy in VAR is a Luton fan, this is documented and true.
Why has the PGMOL put a Luton fan to officiate the VAR in a game where Luton has interest?
How dare they state the obvious.
Pundits have definitely lost the plot on this one. The refereeing has been a joke all season and you all just take the diplomatic approach.
Real football fans stand with Forest.
Forest have followed the normal channels for a serious number of âprofessional errorsâ that have cost them penalties, goals and a ridiculous sending off of Boly for having his foot stamped on earlier this season and absolutely nothing positive came of it so its neither surprising nor outrageous that they have chosen in this most extreme of cases to take a more unorthodox and powerful approach. Good for them, these problems must be dealt with in the spotlight not by deals in dark rooms. The media are simply apologists for the football establishment and are equally disgraceful.
We're gonna overlook that they have tried every other avenue and and they admit that there are 3 stonewall penalties that are not given... they don't even address the blatant at best ineptitude but just that they can't do this!
Media bring this league down like you does
Its VAR and the on field referee that crossed the line! I think clubs should protest against the continued use of PGMOL! They need to fire all the PGMOL officials, starting with Howard Webb. Quite disgusting!
The problem is that they tried the official channels. There's literally no other pathway for Forest to go now, so naturally they're going to go beyond the accepted line. I agree they shouldn't make official statements declaring officials as cheats, but it's clear that something has to change. Too many times this has happened with no recourse, change is going to be inevitable at this point.
All these pundits are spineless
Forrest should have every right to call PGMOL out. I mean look at Man City with the Grealish handball, the soft penalty from Rodri and Hojlund, and the players rant after the game against Spurs. They donât ever get punished and gets favourable calls.
Ale is out of touch with the football fans
Fair play to Forest. Nothing ever happens. The PGMOL is shockingly poor week on week on week and all ye hear is its happens. Not good enough. Those decisions could cost Forest millions
Iâm a casual PL football fan, and I like to occasionally watch it, but there isnât any consistency in calling penalties. I donât blame NF for calling it out. If Iâm not mistaken this is big money?
John Oliver and others go to UAE and Saudi as "freelancers" DURING THE SEASON to ref random Emirati/Saudi league games (with DOZENS of fans in attendance!) flying them out privately, paying them exorbitantly, and putting them up in top hotels for a sunshine get away.... and Stevie never wonders if this affect their thinking when they make these "errors"???
I love Craig coming out and saying âyou know what, the guy is Greek, ok.â
What about carra spitting cant remember everyone sitting down round a table and debating that. Birds of a feather flock together
The main trouble is that Man City get 2/3 of those VAR (3 if Michael Oliver is the ref)
This pundits can't say the truth, robbing a club 3 penalties in a game come on make it make sense, if is man city or Liverpool it different
Forest sour grapes, they got spanked by Everton. Ref was right on all three. If you see the third one, Young makes a touch with the ball but its hard to see due to the camera angle, and the Forest player trips on the ball as it rolls. The ref saw this clearly. Forest CEO a joke. Also, how would Luton gain an advantage??? Everton are almost just as close to Luton in the table! Forest should get points deducted for this behaviour.
This likely what happened: forest complained about var and Webb told Attwell and he retaliated against forest. That was pure retaliation. âHow dare you complain about me? I will deal with you.â
Just playing devil's advocate:
There have been cases where Premier League referees have been found guilty of taking bribes for march fixing etc
Ex-referees have also made comments about favouring certain teams & giving decisions that they know aren't correct
It's not as if the Premier League or Englishmen are never guilty of corruption
There's a reason why officials aren't allowed to officiate games involving the team they support
Pundits lose sympathy. Fans of the sport donât lose it. Itâs a disgrace to not award any of the 3 penalties. Call the var out, I donât care. I want equality for all the teams.
You know that Burley knows Forest were correct when instead of saying they're wrong he's fannying around saying "its a crossed line" ...
Why are all these pundits actually refusing to say the obvious or atleast pretend to be unbiased?
The questions they should be asking are:
1. Is Stuart really a Luton fan? If yes, won't it be a conflict of interest to assist officiating in a game where one of the teams are directly fighting a spot with your favourite team?
2. Did Nottingham Forest officially notify the PGMOL about this multiple times, if yes, what was PGMOL reasons for not effecting change in other to avoid this scenario?
It is hypocritical to assume that EPL referees are above corruption or bias, infact, it ks downright silly to think so, as that will be one projecting that they are Angels.
They are just regular humans and that is why systems were created to check them and prevent cases that will question their integrity.
Afterall just recently, the highest football organising body in the world (FIFA) was riddled with scandals of corruption and many were convicted.
I'm a Leicester City Fan, Forest are our rivals and yet I Ave sympathy for Forest and feel they are right to release that statement.
These guys keep saying the refs are poor but when clubs actually call it out the pundits say its crossing a line. What should Forest have done?
The PGMOL whistle-blower documentary gonna be lit. Bet it won't feature on Netflix.
Referees have to state which team they support and aren't allowed to referee their games so why are var allowed. And yes i would question the integrity too im a united fan so even if i thought i wouldn't be being biased i subconsciously would because i have a vested interest.
ESPN, I hate you guys for this. You just admit it yourself that they were cheated on three occasions in one game. How do you expect them to deal with it.
You are just here to do a cover up job for the FA and referees.
It's almost like putting Real Madrid TV muppets in the anchor's seat at ESPN.
Oh, wait...
WELDONE FOREST, WE NEED MORE TEAMS TO SPEAK UP AND NOT JUST ACCEPT THIS RUBBISH
The problem isnt the refereeâs bias for certain clubs, itâs the bias against.
Pundits ganging up on Forest like they did with Liverpool against Spurs. All part of the problem that fails to acknowledge issues with the officials.
These pundits jobs require the denial of corruption, as they wouldnât get paid because the games wouldnât be played.
They're afraid of being sued and are ALL told what to say before their show. Guess by whom?
That's why they ALL say the same shxt!
VAR, is terrible. If media wonât fight for the fans then Iâm all for the clubs doing it.
What canât we question the integrity of the game when we see all these incompetent referees and VAR system
Forest absolutely right. Pundits on the wrong side on this one.
Nothing wrong with that statement. They were wronged. Nothing wrong with calling out 'mistakes' that could cost them relegation and financial distress
Craig burnley should not be in ESPN!! He should be fired!! He doesnât even know what is he saying!! This is the reason i dont follow ESPN
These guys are trying to tell us we should agree with them if they call a cat a cow. He clearly lacks integrity and must be called out. Not one, 2 but 3 major decisions ignored in one game with all being clear cut penalties. You are there to say your mind not tell us what the ref thinks. After looking at the video, is it a penalty or not? I have never been this disappointed in these pundits. You can criticize the club that stands to lose billions when they get relegated but you canât criticize the one person who is being paid to make the right decisions with the help of VAR? And hey, letâs not forget they can make wrong decisions and still make corrections thanks to VAR. Any pundit who agrees with these stinking decisions (Forestâs 3 penalties, Grealish handball etc) lacks integrity as well and no longer has my respect!
When you have too much this is too much
Of course we'll never know if the decisions are right or wrong if the evidence isn't shown. Is there some reason that the footage is unavailable everywhere? Feels kinda selective...
Whatâs mental is that now PGMOL is offering Forrest a chance to listen to the audio for the VAR decisions. Is there a legal way to determine this audio was recorded on the date and time of these incidents taking place which would stand up on the court of law. If that isnât possible to conclusively be determined, then they could quite easily fabricate these tapes after the fact, and if times and dates arenât being provided with proof, then I believe thatâs exactly what is going on. People that think officials havenât been corrupt subtle this whole time are deluded. All those years they favoured United, all these years theyâve favoured city, and itâs just been swept under the carpet somehow. Now VAR is there to expose them, thereâs nowhere to hide and questions are being asked, but they are being protected by the media. Not all media platforms, but all ones that are being backed but the same corruption that is making sure certain clubs get calls in their favour. The biggest culprit in English football right now is Manchester City, by a landslide might I add. But itâs more fashionable to say âlivarpoolâ with no real basis behind it đ. English fans are as much the issue as the media and the corrupt officials for not calling out the bullshit.
Them saying "the VAR guy is a Luton fan" is just real tinfoil hat stuff đ„Ž
Looks like the media are hugely out of sink with the people.
I think we should focus on why a club has to resort to doing it rather than the statement itself. Is it over the line? Maybe, but the main reason clubs feel they have to do this is because they feel hopeless. The officiating in this league is terrible, and nothing is being done about it. These referees face no consequences for the bad decisions they make on a weekly basis.
yeahh the most honest refs , the best league , the best players , the best teams, the best ownership model...everything is the best in England
Read the room . They were right to call them out . Typical rubish media .
Refs in the UK are the worst
So Steve Nicol says he's never thought the refs were not honest. Guess he never heard Mike Dean saying he didn't want to send his mate to VAR so let a decision be wrong. Come on Stevie...you can do better.
It really hasn't. This game was just a small sample of what they've faced all season. It's reaching absurd points
So basically they should shut up, because refs are so full of integrity, arent biased and cant be corrupted. More clubs need to start questioning these things. Forest are spot on