The Gabriel handball incident ignites a HEATED debate between Steve Nicol and Gab Marcotti 👀
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2024
- The ESPN FC panel continues their discussion of Gabriel Magalhaes' handball incident and creates another powerful debate.
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Gab saying, "Do you really want to advance a UCL KO round like that?" has to be the funniest sh*t ever. Man is thinking this is some kind of a sports anime or something. That was a mistake by Gabriel and should be a penalty.
yea thid reminded me of wwe scripting fights
If you love football you shouldnt want that to be given as a penalty...
It should be illegal for this guy to analyze soccer ⚽️ 😂
Gab argument is so stupid and shows that he never played in any level
Imagine a world where refs can decide to not follow the laws because that’s not how to win a game 😂🤣
Isn’t following the laws the ONLY reason we have refs?
He should have asked Pep’s Barcelona that same question after the game at the Bridge in 2009😅
yesterday craig and jan, today gab ands stevie....loving it😂😂
Notice the difference? The British (Scotts are still British) side with arsenal and pundits from other countries side with Bayern and the actual rules of the game
@@escape2nirvanaGab is Italian and Steve is Scottish
@@escape2nirvana a bit off there. Craig Burley was the only British person who thought it should not have been given. The two Brits on this episode are siding with Bayern and the Italian journalist with Arsenal
@@AlfaRed156 fair I didn’t watch the video before I commented, I just assumed that Stevie would go the same way as Craig
@@AlfaRed156 Craig and Gab are Bayern / Germany haters through and through. It`s just funny to watch them even making the most rediculous excuse to belittle the german sides.
Gab saying he doesn't want a CL tie determined by the letter of the law is the dumbest take I've heard. Can't believe I'm siding with Stevie
Literally doesn't matter what anyone "wants" the rules are the rules
A karate kick to the chest by the letter of the law is a penalty. A few weeks back, Gab did not think it was a penalty on Doku. I rest my case
well then by the letter of the law, Saka should have been awarded a PK and Harry Kane should have been Red Carded.
Gab has always been the worst commentator on this show. dude has no professional or even amateur experience in the game. half the armchair experts are more in tuned than him
He said common sense reffing yet it’s common sense that when the whistle is blown and you pick the ball up it’s a pk 😅
If it was a Man United defender Craig would have called it a stonewall penalty and added a red card for good measure!!!
lol this had me laughing
If he played for Chelsea he'd say pen and red card
😂😂😂 Guess what? It's NOT Manchester United!
Shut up
For sure. Laughing at United is a sport in itself
It’s a dumb decision by Gabriel and dumb decisions needs to be punished.
Loool
Keep crying
He looks dumb
i fully agree and i am not a fan of any of those clubs but the law is the law
Okay god
Thats how Italians drive too, stop signs are just suggestions
😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂 Kudos
Thats how Italians enforce laws as well. Do you know Juventus was relegated due to "public sentiment" not because they were found guilty? Lol
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@MCR4291 Is that worse than how the Brits enforce laws? By looking at Club size and penalizing the small clubs but letting CIty do whatever they want? Long live England...
I truly despise gabs condescending attitude in this clip
he hasn't played the game what do you expect.
that's just gab for you.
Gabs always had a holier than thou cunty attitude. It’s sucks that juls is stuck with him because he makes their podcast unlistenable
He’s always like this his shitty attitude is what makes gab and juls unlistenable
It’s every clip. He thinks he is waaaaaay smarter than he is. I think he has disdain for his dumb exfootballer coworkers and thinks he can just bully his way out of an argument.
Don’t cut the debate off when it gets good🤦🏿♂️
Raya's body language say it all when gabriel touches it.
Nah, Arsenal does this nearly every game.
@@eeterp32 I watched those Arsenal clips, like Nedum said, before it was Raya throwing the ball to Gabriel not kicking it in the line after the Ref blew the whistle lol
@@eeterp32 exactly
@@praisdelotalumingan6229 you watched clips, 😂😂😂, you are even stupider than i thought. Do you understand a goal kick?
@@eeterp32quality of premier league
Gab's argument is so dumb. Van Persie kicked the ball barely a split second after the referee's whistle. To compare that situation to this ridiculous.
it's no surprise that the one who has eaten the most pastries has no idea about professional football.
Both players had no idea they were violating the rules. That’s the comparison. There is no advantage and there is confusion over whether the ball was in play. Rival fans crying and autists disagree sure.
It was a match against Barcelona of course the ref was biased.
Biased? Yeah Van persie often shoots from 50 yards out. He kicked it out of frustration and it was a yellow by the book.
@@MCR4291refs biased against Barcelona? You serious?
Is this your argument Gab? Don’t you know most tight games are decided by mistakes? Is it nice for the spirit of the game?no. But It’s a penalty, period. Arguing otherwise is so unbelievably stupid .
you do not listen well. his argument was not mistakes should never have consequences.
Arguing for that to be a penalty is unbelievably stupid. If you think that's why the rule exists, you've clearly never watched football.
Gab is a known German hater so don't take him seriously.
Gab doesn't like German teams he is known for that.
@@malzagod1429 he doesn't like physical exercise either
Its a clear penalty.
Its clear you know nothing
@@antonioward9679 The fact you're debating it underlines that applies to you...
Nonsense… there’s a thing called common sense.
It isn't so clear.
Don't say that penaldo will call you 2 am I the morning 😂
Well said Nadem
It’s really dumb but it’s a pen
Golden Boy
Lol
The law of football says the ref should use common sense. How can you argue with this lol? Not penalty
@@aravgeorge1138 I wouldn’t have called one but by the rules of the game it is one
@@mr.sushi2221 I agree Kintaro
If bayern defenders had done this then the whole Arsenal fanbase would be in uproar how they would never get these decisions. I think that says it all really.
No it really doesn't, I agree they would be in uproar. But any fanbase would want a penalty there if they were in that position and the side that committed it would not want the penalty.
The fact that you tied it to Arsenal fanbase and not YOUR own team's fanbase... I think that says it all really.
Literally Kane shoulda received a red card but fucker got away it
Keep crying.....btw saka should of had a penalty so stfu
It's been 3 days and you still crying about that. Atleast let your team try to score a goal from open play...arsenal lifted them two goals. How many more do you want ?
Just imagine this wouldn't have happen to an english team how fast these experts would forget about the spirit of the game and get back to the rules
if italy had some sort of a similar situation in a match with say germany, and italy didn't get the pk, i'm sure gab would be fuming about it...come on, follow the rules...
100%
I’m italian and I agree with you… It’s a penalty, plain and simple
I hate this way of disagreeing with people. In some totally hypothetical situation you just made up “you’re sure” Gab could have contradicted himself.
The fact is Arsenal did not gain any advantage from this situation, and Bayern had no disadvantage. Giving a penalty which has a 75% chance of a goal being scored is incredibly disproportionate. A made up scenario where Gab would also misuse this rule because of bias doesn’t change that.
@@Adriaantje2008well that's true but if you're saying they didn't get an advantage so it's fine is something I don't necessarily agree with cause it means players can just break the law but once it doesn't give them an advantage its fine?
Lol by that logic, if bayern made that same mistake instead of arsenal, Tuchel will not be complaining and congratulating the ref. What's your point?
That's why I love Stevie
He's always honest
Unless it’s Liverpool
Exactly unless it’s Liverpool!!
Gab was 100% honest in this debate.
Honest and usually wrong
when it concerns him
Craig had no move left so started shoving personal jabs at Jan. Such a pathetic person.
Cry
Jan started it to be honest
You're the pathetic person. You let your hate for Arsenal consume you.
Craig's futbol mind, picking up the ball if you're under pressure defending, is an option. Gab's futbol mind, if you don't gain an advantage from your actions on the field, do whatever you want, there are no rules
Lol nice comment
That was actually a very poor argument from Craig !!
The problem is in this show they hate Germans... no matter what happens, as long as a German team is the opponent, suddenly everything is allowed
If I were to hypothesize his wild theory :: I'm a rich person with no money problems so I can casually walk into a shop and steal items. In due course my argument to the court will be "I'm rich and I'm not under any external pressure, so therefore I'm not guilty of taking items without paying"
What a buch of ludicrous statements you guys just wrote here. Comparing a theft with entertainment is just stupid. However If you want to find an analogy there I'd say: Imagine someone being arrested for shoplifting a banana in the market. By the letter of the law you arrest him but It is ridiculous and unecessary. The judge would let It go
I honestly do feel for all involved with this. I actually want to side with the ref because it's so harsh. The problem though is for me being a Dortmund fan I know 100% if we did something like that it would be called a penalty. We can't have this double standard like that. It would one be one thing if the ref didn't acknowledge it, but he did.
Im a massive Galatasaray fan. Imagine if we did this. Entire ESPN would be out with pitch forks. It's sad they are making excuses for a clear and obvious infringement.
Lol you lot doesn't know how harshly Arsenal has been treated by the refs over the years. This one decision goes to their favour and the whole world is at a meltdown. Pathetic
@@piojonumero10 Actually, no one cares what Galatasaray does
@@jimmywalker8354 actually we have millions of fans and the best atmosphere in europe. SMDH
@@piojonumero10 That's exactly how I feel.
You heard it here first. Players please note that you can pick the ball up as long as nobody is near you.
Rugby!!
Could be a new thing to waste time now
So, going by what the ref said, if a more senior Arsenal player had done what Gabriel did, he would have given a penalty? Are there two sets of rules? One for seasoned players and one for young players?
It doesn't matter what the ref has said. The decision has been made. Move on. Bayern has home advantage and everything to play for in the next tie.
@@karkenangu4088Huh? Of course it matters what the ref says. We aren’t bots watching the sport. If he makes a dubious call which made a huge impact, people are gonna discuss it.
The "Kids" mistake was the referee mistake
The law of football says the ref should use common sense. How can you argue with this lol? Not penalty
Glad someone is putting that Craig guy in his place.... It was a penality
It’s not a penalty you absolute wasteman, it’s a goalkeeper passing the ball to the defender to take a goal kick
it’s a handball simple as that ,your emotional
@@keanufrance9051 im not, I’m embarrassed for people like you
Oh please.... Stop being delusional! I GURANTEE that it this was Nuer to Rudiger on the other side, Arteta and Arsenal fans will be crying wolf for a week
@@ahmedhelfawi Rudiger? Shows how much football you watch you absolute clampet. I'm done, you lot embarass the game!
its pretty simple, its a penalty
Never a pen bro. The whistle was for preparing to take goal kick not for taking the goal kick and Gabriel has taken every single one of our goal kicks so Raya just gave him the ball to take the goal kick. You arsenal haters are getting out of hand.
Yeah I'm an Arsenal fan and I genuinely don't understand how you don't give a penalty........ Raya waits for the whistle and then kicks it
@@Bickle121 it's not a pen but it was a bizarre situation
@@drty8765-ef1fdwith that pfp I’m sure you’re unbiased on this topic
@@drty8765-ef1fd Araenal fan here.. According to rule pen we got lucky
Yea that’s a stone cold penalty, it’s in the rules. You are a pro, you not knowing better doesn’t excuse you from your mistake
It would be ridiculous to decide a Champions League match on a play like that, but it was ridiculous mistake by Gabriel. It's a penalty.
A lot of big games have been decided by ridiculous mistakes, it's what it is.
@@kadarabdullahi all games are decided by mistakes. If people would not make mistakes every game would be 0-0
The ref also made a mistake by not red carding kane.
Gab looks really dumbfounded here!!!! Why? Because he knows , that he is talking out of his behind. Do English pundits have no honor or shame?
Eh, no?
He's Italian though
Marcotti hates german teams and Tuchel. so no surprising he takes such position.
Yeah im noticed that too, he has some weird comments about germany
What's not to hate about Germany? Playing awful football and acting all high and mighty engaging in woke liberal BS instead of focusing on playing football.
Begging for a penalty from a wrong goal kick is a bit sad I can't lie.
@@karkenangu4088are you some kind women beating saudi sheik or what?
Have you ever seen a fat German before? They probably have disdain for gab. 😂
3:18 “I’m all for the letter of the law” Gab stop it you can’t say that
You're all for the letter of the law. Use same energy to debate Kane's red.
Let’s see what gab & Craig will say when one of the Bayern defenders do the exact same thing as Gabriel
Easy. They'll say the same thing.
they are not pro arsenal.
@@LaCheeserie no, but they're pro EPL
Stupid comment, this was a once in a million incident, literally nobody can point to another example of it. Intention matters and Gabriel's only intention was to restart the game according to the laws
@@philmusson1265the game restarted when the ref whistled and the keeper kicked the ball, Gabriel can not come up with his own rules
So now players can reset the ball in the box and it won’t be a penalty because they aren’t being pressured lol okkkkay last time I checked touching the ball after the whistle isn’t something anyone apart from the goalkeeper can do lol it’s mental the excuses we are hearing why this wasn’t given nonsense
The game was reset when the keeper kicked the ball
@@vyoghto the defender who than picked it up with his hands which should have been a penalty
Stevie 100% right 👍🏽
It’s sportsmanship for a reason.
It’s the rules but come on 😂 bunch of people would laugh at Bayern and the ref.
This is an equivalent of continuing playing while a player has a heart attack, injury during the game. Hey, it’s not my fault that he is laying on the ground but the game still playing, come on
Except that he was 100% wrong.
Gab keeps talking about spirit of the game over law of the game. If I remember correctly two seasons ago at Old Trafford game between ManUtd & Arsenal, DeGea was injured in the middle of the game down on the ground and Arsenal didn’t stop and scored the game with a shot seeing DeGea down injured. The referee allowed the goal because in the eyes of the law it was a goal. Foul wasn’t committed. DeGea injury was muscle pull (or something like that). Hence the spirit of the game argument is nonsense.
@@Nnny792fhgf34no that didn't happen, it was a player in his line of sight. That's and de gea pretend to be injured
@@GennySavastoneit happened. I just watched the replay. DeGea was down injured. Go on watch it again.
I don’t understand the argument. When the keeper passed the ball wasn’t it in play so isn’t it automatically a handball whether deliberate or not.
it was in play. ref blow the wistle , then the goalie passed it to gabriel he picked it up...
Yes, it was a handball and the ref should /could have given it. He also could not have given it because this isn't Nazi football, which he did.
Gab is saying about common sense, common sense is to give the penalty.
No it's not
@@Abdullah-vg1ucbecause rules doesn't aply to english teams?
Yes only for you,,you can play without rules.
The law of football says the ref should use common sense. How can you argue with this lol?
I can't believe they had a heated discussion on this. This game is called 'football' for a reason, and only goalkeeper get to handle the ball only till inside the box, that's it. Gab's reasoning is just downright silly. These are not middle school lunch break football match 😂. It's a PENALTY !
Lunch break football referee calls pen there
My word Gab is truly pathetic.
This guy is a -professional' sports journalist?
He’s just that, a journalist. Always twisting the tale to fit his narrative.
Mind boggling
Calm down champ
@@joeyp1636 ...its just so stressful Joe 🥴
He’s unjustifiably arrogant.
Tuchel was right so is Steve and we all knew Gab is Bayern Munich is hater but today he confirmed 2000 times. Period.
Cane elbo was nth ok
Or he just genuinely feels that way. Not every contrary opinion comes from a place of hate. Gab is a respected football journalist not some 13 year old playing FIFA.
@@HT-xt4cn Respected by who? Lol
@@HT-xt4cnno your wrong, everytake gab takes on Bayern is from pure hate!
@@peacefulliberal5641 All throughout the industry. His contributions always elevate the quality of the show, even if you disagree with his perspective.
As an Arsenal fan i was at first on the side of using common sense. However after listening to how Nedum Onuha broke it down, I've realised that it should've been a penalty. In fact, im more annoyed as i thought we removed these comical errors from the team
Just because you're an Arsenal fan doesn't mean you're not an ahole.
I want to see games won as fair as possible which is why we have rules of the game, Gab talked about not giving anyone a advantage but the ref gave arsenal a advantage in the game by not calling the handball! If raya/Gabriel weren’t switched on and had a bozo moment then they only have themselves to blame . I support arsenal and if a pen was given I’d be pissed at raya and gabriel not the referee
It would have been given a handball anywhere else on the field
This has been the best comment of reason I’ve read about this topic. Well done
Penalty all day long, why didn't the ref give it? is puzzling. Arsenal defenders didn't look switched on from the start. Arsenal fan here 👍
For once i agree with the guy in the glasses! It’s a pk! Doesn’t matter if there no advantage. He messed up!
What a crock. According to the rules, it's a penalty. The ball was live, in play. Nothing to do with the "spirit of the law."
@redlongford
Referees are literally required to use the “spirit of the game” while interpreting decisions. It’s in the rule book and is not just some buzzword people are throwing around. In short, it means to use objective reasoning and situational awareness to enforce the laws of the game. What a lot of people don’t understand is the literal laws of the game are never fully enforced each game. Easy examples are throw-ins and free kicks regularly being taken 5-10 yards from where they should technically be taken. Goalkeepers holding the ball for more than 6 seconds. Players encroaching onto the opponents half before the ball is touched on kickoffs. The ball rolling on quick restarts when teams are trying to catch the other team off guard. Gabriel’s handball was technically a penalty kick by the literal letter of the law. But the referee realized that something as simple as Gabriel not properly hearing the whistle could have created the confusion. In those types of situations, players are very often given the benefit of the doubt. It happens all the time but most people completely ignore it.
This is like not stopping your car when there is a stop sign just because you dont see anyone coming.
Good to know if no players are around you can always pick up the ball and kick back to your GK for a restart. As a City fan this is perfect, we can change our tactics anytime and have Ederson kick longballs to Haaland. Hopefully Pep takes advantage of this 👍👍
I'm amazed by Gab's stupidity sometimes, since he's often the one with the most reasonable takes.
According to Gab and Craig's argument, Bruno Fernandez's goal should be cancelled because Kuansha did a mistake!
No. That's not what they said at all. You made a mistake with this post. Should we ban you from CZcams commenting for 20 years?
@@johnmavroudis2054 we should
That's exactly what they're saying. Don't punish mistakes in football.
So using Gab's logic, the Liverpool corner kick against Barcelona should have been retaken because Barca's defender and keeper were basically sleeping. Liverpool had every right to do that and they did, but you could make a case of unfair advantage and make them retake the corner saying it was an honest mistake.
Very stupid argument from Gab! That should have been a penalty all day!
2:10 that Stevie sigh 😭😭😂😭
You can use interpretation to decide whether hands were in natural position or not in a normal penalty.Not someone deciding to handle the ball while in play
This is the highest level of football and the mistakes need to be punished
Happens every week - you have to be sick in the head to award a pk for that and should never be allowed to ref a game at any level.
Imagine if it was onana and Lord Maguire 😂😂 these guys have double standards
Then it would have been red card penalty and 5 match ban😂
It’s a penalty, I’m sorry. There’s thousands of other scenarios where no one is pressured, accidential handballs in the box that would have no impact on where the ball goes, etc that are whistled because they are against the rules and not because they harmed the other team directly
Very easy to side with those who played the game and those who didn't. Spot on from Stevie and Nedum. I'm an Arsenal fan and I can say with 100% certainty that Arteta would have blown his top off if that mistake was made by the bayern players.
Who is Gab to decide how Bayern want to win ? If it was given as a penalty and Bayern won , I am sure Bayern would have been ecstatic . It was a mistake by their opponents, not any unsporting actions by Bayern that would have let to the penalty . As a man united fan , I don’t mind how they won a game as long as they played within the rules and sportsmanship . Deflecting Gabriel’s error onto Bayern is disingenuous
Exactly. Sportsmanship would demand you don't shout for a penalty in this situation. It's the same reason Tour De France cyclists don't attack when a rival has gone down in a crash. There has to be some honor among athletes (and managers). And the referee has enough discretion to make this call.
Proof that Gab is a die hard bayern hater. He will tell you otherwise, but it is very obvious for everyone to see
Gab has a clear bias against Bayern, to the point that he is unable to reason in a coherent way
But I guess everything that would give Bayern an advantage is not „in the spirit of the game“ from Gab‘s perspective 😂
Exactly 😂
I was like "What nonsense is this guy saying? I could be one step closer to the Semi's, who cares if its because of this penalty?"
Any1 have link for Craig video?
I like how just like in TV serials they are now showing us recaps of previous episode drama.
i have to agree with jan. No matter what gabriel thought or how pressured he was - its literally a written rule how are we even having this debate.
There has never been a Pk given for this and there never will be. I don't know how much of a sad ahole you have to be to award that as PK.
It's a game, not life or death, stop acting life this is the height of injustice, it's common sense to just play on and not decide an entire tie on one error.
@@theblackswordsman9951 thank god 99% of football matches doesnt get played by your lousy logic lmao
@@theblackswordsman9951”it’s a game”. millions of dollars & jobs are on the line 😂
@@trojantony195 Are you one of those people who's millions are on the line? I understand managers and players being annoyed by it but there is no reason for neutral fans to be upset by getting a more entertaining tie.
Look out for an imminent "Jan's German Passport" username, coming to an extra time near you!
Matches are decided by individual errors all the time. This is the nature of the game. Where do you draw the line between punishable and not punishable error? Thats what you have rules for. Tuchel is completely right to complain
According to this logic taking quick free kick corner or throwin should not be allowed cause it's not fairs when others are not ready
Bet if Gab was in a finals losing 2-1 and his opponent did that and they didn’t get a penalty it would’ve been a different story
No because you have to be a certain type of person to ever reward that. You literally have to trash human being to think that justifies as a PK for any team.
@@AussieGooner14 Those are the rules of the game you obviously don't know them and if you are a team who its a once in a lifetime opportunity to win and the opposition did that, its cheating. Dumb decisions need to be punished otherwise someone breaks someone's leg and then the ref goes nah it was a slip....the rules are the rules. When Arsenal went invincible Viera was pure dirty and Pires dived all the time to get penalties so they must be trash humans by your definition. Odegaard handballed vs Liverpool and that was not given cos apparently it was a slip when the refs apologized after this game is a farce refs don't follow the rules.
Specially if it was Azzurri or any Italian team.
@@Ruscococo1 Point me to one example where this has ever been given as a PK? It never happens becoz you got to be an absolute ahole to do it.
Let’s be honest here. Everyone whose team would have benefited from the decision would support it and everyone who it went against would berate the ref. But even if you say this is a penalty, let’s be fair and say that Kane should have been sent off before that for the elbow. Especially with VAR present. Add to that the Saka penalty call which we have seen given on several occasions, and we can agree that it’s a fair result on the balance of things.
If Arsenal got away with one, so did Bayern with 1-2 decisions.
Do people genuinely think the rules of the game are followed down to the last letter in every game? Be real
Well there are some grey areas, but picking up a ball with your hands if you are not goalkeeper? Nothing grey there.
It’s handball plain and simple, and that rule applies at all times when you play the game, it’s a pen.
This reminds me of last seasons bundesliga clash in autumn from bayern vs bvb. Bellingham who at that time had already received a yellow card kicked davies in the face. A stupid mistake that 100% had to be punished by him receiving a second yellow, some would even say a direct red card. Yet the referee didnt do either of these things. Later when asked he seid that he had empathy for bellingham and didnt want to decide the game that way so he didnt do what he should have done following the rules.
Davies had to leave the game visiting the hospital and later on in the game coman did two fouls and therefore received two straight yellow cards and got sent of - suddenly no more empathy was shown. Dortmund beeing one man up equalized the game in stoppage time.
Its not a letter of the law thing. You can't make dumb mistakes in profesional football and not be punished. Their the top league and this is a kids level mistake. You can't give them a free pase because you fell bayern did not earn a penalty.Most of futbol is decided by mistakes and erasing one of arsenal is unfair to bayern.
If this wasn't arsenal, this would not be getting the same attention. My lord
“Would you really want to go through to the semi finals based on this?” This statement alone shows how little Gab truly knows about the game and the people that play it lmao
It's like yeah, literally every single coach in the world and every single fan would not complain for a single second if they go through based on this
What ever happen to the in-direct free kick?
When the pass goes to the goalies in open play and he picks it up, then it’s a indirect. Not if the goalie passes to his defender and he picks it up. Its handball every day of the week
They weren't done taking....
Gab talking about common sense…I bet if it was a Barca defender who touched the ball with their hands like that, Gab would be complaining about the ref and saying they are unprofessional or whatever.
If you want this to be called a pen then you’re the kind of person that wants everybody to be given a ticket for going 1 mile/km over the speed limit.
So when does it start ? what mistakes are ok to ignore ? we have rules and a ref has to follow them. If you make this kind of mistake in the CL you deserve to get punished. we cant let refs ignore rules because of personal opinions.
so does this rule never get followed then? Since all top clubs play out of the back, we could literally see this situation 100 times on this weekend, will they all not be penalty?
@@FriendlyVisitor-vv6yr do you know how handball rules work in general? If the ball hits the hand it's not always a penalty the ref needs take in action all sort of things if it sould be or not... this is the same he had comon sense that maybe gabriel didn't heard the wisle theres 50k people there its pittyful to dicide a match in this sort of way..
@@tadaloqrefs themselves don’t even have a clue what a handball is . All left to interpretation from them lol
It's professional football. Following the letter of the law exactly and equaly is the fairest way possible. Make up as many stupid comparisons as you want. Not giving this penalty was a clear mistake by the ref, and Arsenal should be very thankful that they got away with it.
I really see good points on both their arguments... cant pick-up a side
"There's no advantage"
But there is, because another ref might (correctly) give it. If there is to be consistency in the game, surely it has to be consistent application of the rules, not simply faith that every ref will decide it's not a big deal.
Law was made to govern but remember there's also discretion by referees in football.
By that logic if a defender slides in from behind unintentionally and breaks his opponent’s leg it should not be a red card because he didn’t mean to do it regardless if it was reckless or not?
Everyone says use common sense every time an incident happens And when a ref decides to use common sense. We all scream the rules are the rules. Which is it ? 😂
So we can all use our hands as long as no opponent is near and no actual advantage is created?
6:50 Cutting away from Nedum to the panel while he's talking, and the weird elevator music, is so surreal lol
Its a great point from Nedam - if the penalty had been given , what argument could Arsenal have had ? They wouldnt be able to say "Gabriel wasnt paying attention so we should be allowed to take it again".
i honestly don't think that Gab is all that bright, rules aren't to be interpreted, rules are to be FOLLOWED, you pick up a ball that is in play, that is a PENALTY, its really quite simple
@fbdgvsklbfdgvsavk
You are one of many people on this thread who do not appear to realize at all that the literal laws of the game are never followed each game and referees are required to officiate within the “spirit of the game.” This is a classic example of the “spirit of the game.” I.E.-Common sense prevailing.
Bro, the laws of the game are subjective and open to referees interpretation. Go read them. The letter of the law doesn't bear any resemblance to the way the game is refereed.
All laws are interpreted. Stop trying to make yourself feel smart
@@Photosoflife The spirit of the game is usually invoked if you want to justify bad decision in favour of your own team.
@@Photosoflifeone of the few smart comments I've seen in this whole thread
Gab would be a HORRIBLE lawyer
you don't know how law or court works.
common sense and circumstances are taken into account every time.
In court most times it won't be penalty
@@akxn2162 im literally a lawyer. There is a case to be made if u agree with his position, he just did a terrible job at defending it
I was hoping they brought up the RVP sending off. Shame they cut the video, the whole "follow the letter of the law" argument was about the crumble
Do you remember di canio catching the ball instead of shooting when the keeper was down injured. All the “letter or the law” people would have booked him.
Thank you. I cannot believe people are saying its a penalty. Di Canio was given an award for being honourable. Not booked for handball. Its called common sense. But I guess we should rename common sense. As by the reaction to gabriel the sense ain't all that common. 🤣
When do you ever see a ref blow the whistle for a goal kick ?
They always do. Go back to school.
When there was a substitution before, as was the case here.
@@saralgupta5250no they don’t, stop lying to suit your agenda.
They do!@@youandme9569
It is a rule that after a substitution the ref has to give the ball free
Stevie couldnt be more right. Clear penalty. Whistle was blown, ball was played. This is pro soccer at an elite level, mistakes like that cant be allowed to pass over.
Imagine the world without people like u and steve nicol, such a happy place it would be where justice, fairness and common sense prevails. Oh i pray for times like that.
@@AussieGooner14 ill do you one better. A world with no idiots like you who have no clue what theyre talking about. Common sense is not touching the ball with your hands once its in play.
Where was VAR?
Medium absolutely spot on!!
How come players can’t be 1 pixel offside but a player can pick up the ball. Gab is tripping no doubt.
Common sense. Just shame ref was honest with Tuchel. Should have told him I didn’t see it
Var
I don't believe the referee said what Tuchel is claiming. Remember referees cannot make statements to the press. So Tuchel can say what he likes.
If you argue with criteria like "Advantage" or "Spirit of the game" you need to define those terms and good luck with that
It's a penalty. At that level you can't be making such mistakes. The smallest incidents and mistakes cost the most and make the biggest differences between teams that are basically evenly matched. It's a penalty
Im with Steve on this one... Rules are Rules!!! its a clear Penalty and nothing else. Cant believe that some "Experts" say it was the right Decision by the Ref.
Never a pen bro. The whistle was for preparing to take goal kick not for taking the goal kick and Gabriel has taken every single one of our goal kicks so Raya just gave him the ball to take the goal kick. You arsenal haters are getting out of hand
@jascha2765
You need to understand that the literal laws of the game are never followed by referees in any match. And they are required to officiate within the spirit of the game. I.E.-Common sense officiating to keep the game flowing and the referees out of the way as much as possible. The referee made the right decision.
@@Photosoflife It's not about spirit of the game it's just that the whistle was not for the goal kick
It doesnt affect the game in any way just use common sense nobody cares about the letter of the law… thats why we have human refs and not AI robots to make those decision
@@Photosoflifei am a ref in real life and you are right. If the letters of the law were always followed by refs games would be unwatchable
Stevie is 100% correct you can intentionally injure player who is one on one with the keeper and say he took it for the team but a penalty is not given because its against spirit of the game lol😂
Think raya & gabriel needs to stop that reset, i am an arsenal fan and ive seen this exact reset play for goal kick btw them over 14 times.... They've fallen into that habit which wld now be scrutinised
I guess we can start taking the ball and running until someone puts pressure based on Craig's take
What is Gobby on about, safety or advantage has nothing to do with it.
It was a penalty!!
If a goalkeeper walked out of the area, no one near him, with the ball in his hands, it would be a free kick.
So what's the difference?
how about maybe not a penalty but free kick inside the box ?!
Like a indirect freekick? The issue is I think the rules state that that soupd be a pen.
laws of the game state any infraction that would result in a direct free kick in the box is a penalty kick.
@@emt7614 i would have sworn i’ve seen free kicks taken inside the box 🤔
@@user-zp6dg5kq1pthose are indirect free kicks. A direct free kick in the box is basically a penalty. An indirect free kicks comes up when keeper picks the ball on a back pass.
Where will you place the ball outside the box and why that exact spot?
10:16 that's a good point..
Small details make a deference guys
Gab hit the nail on the head at the end perfectly. Van Persie did not hear the whistle and kicked the ball away was unjustly given a red card, so Gabriel did not hear the whistle and should have been rightly and justly given a penalty?
Make that make sense.
He shouldn’t have been given a red card. That was almost certainly one of the decisions that was involved when Barca were paying off refs lol.
The point is neither of them should have been. Common sense refereeing is something we need more of not less.
To say that one club paid the refs to get advantage while other clubs were just lucky to get it is really dumb. Watch any CL campaign and you'll see mistakes and teams getting advantages. Last season milan got it, before that i can remember real madrid getting it against bayern twice before that someone else.
Not hearing the whistle would not be an excuse for Gabriel, since usually refs don't whistle before a goal kick. Only reason the ref did was because the match was interrupted before because of a substitution. So when Raya plays the ball, like he did all the times before, Gabriel should never have thought he can use his hands to touch the ball. It was a true brain fart, like they rarely happens at that level, and like they very rarely are not punished.
@@talhaansari62except they have been charged specifically with bribing referees in UCL and La Liga matches during that time, so it is a valid concern to raise.
Why didn't Gabriel use that common sense Gab 👀
Like all of us, Gab says stupid things sometimes, like saying Harry Kane shouldn't go to Bayern, because trophies don't matter to players, this one takes the cake.
They should check VAR!