RTX 4070 Ti Super vs RTX 4080 Super: The Ultimate Comparison!!!
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- Should you just save money and buy the RTX 4070 Ti Super instead of the RTX 4080 Super? In this video we answer that question by testing the latest games and technologies including DLSS 3, RT, Path Tracing and more!
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Chapter:
0:00 What are we testing today?
1:05 4080 Supers are actually usually more like $1200 right now
2:35 Do I do percentages wrong?!?!
5:51 Avatar 1080p Ultra
6:18 Avatar 1440p Ultra
6:46 Avatar 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
7:14 Avatar 1440p High
7:40 Avatar 4K Ultra
8:07 Avatar 4K Ultra DLSS Q
8:34 Avatar 4K High
9:02 Avatar 4K High DLSS Q
9:29 Alan Wake 2 1440p High
9:56 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS Q
10:23 Alan Wake 2 1440p High DLSS3 Q FG
10:50 Alan Wake 2 4K High
11:18 Alan Wake 2 4K High DLSS Q
11:45 Alan Wake 2 4K high DLSS3 Q FG
12:12 Alan Wake 2 1080p RT High
12:39 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS Q
13:07 Alan Wake 2 1440p RT High DLSS3 Q FG
13:34 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS P
14:01 Alan Wake 2 4K RT High DLSS3 P FG
14:28 Cyberpunk 2077 1080p RT Overdrive
14:55 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive
15:22 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS Q
15:50 Cyberpunk 2077 1440p RT Overdrive DLSS3 Q FG
16:17 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS P
16:44 Cyberpunk 2077 4K RT Overdrive DLSS3 P FG
17:12 Lords of the Fallen 1080p Ultra
17:39 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra
18:06 Lords of the Fallen 1440p Ultra DLSS Q
18:33 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra
19:00 Lords of the Fallen 4K Ultra DLSS Q
19:27 RoboCop 1440p Epic
19:55 RoboCop 4K Epic
20:22 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS Q
20:48 RoboCop 4K Epic DLSS3 Q FG
21:16 Starfield 1440p Ultra
21:44 Starfield 4K Ultra
22:10 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS Q
22:38 Starfield 4K Ultra DLSS3 Q FG
23:06 Baldur's Gate 3 1440p Ultra
23:32 Baldur's Gate 3 4K Ultra
23:59 Resident Evil 4 1440p Max
24:27 Resident Evil 4 4K Max
24:54 CoD MW3 1080p Basic
25:21 CoD MW3 1440p Basic
25:48 CoD MW3 4K Basic
26:17 Final Thoughts - Věda a technologie
Questioning the maths teacher about his numbers, the cheek of it!
Exactly my thought
Teacher dropping knowledge.
As a fellow math teacher, I love the call out for referent unit! I always like to call it the "of what" when talking about percents. "50% *of what*" And just as you said, as long as your "of what" is the same, you can make fair comparisons!
But bigger bar better! I heard it on Reddit. 😆
there are lies, damned lies, and then statistics.
some math teachers aren't as talented as our guy.
You are doing your performance calculations the best way. Don't listen to the ignorant viewers. Thanks for the refresher anyway.
Even better, he took the time to educate them. Or at least to try...
Seems you are one of the ignorant viewers 😂
@@Tatoebot You probably skipped math class. 💀
@@calvin659 yes that’s it
Lmao people trying to tell a Math teacher that their numbers are wrong.
bro i said the exact same thing hahaha
But he still cared to explain the math behind it. True teacher. I love it.
U know comment section math teachers are the smartest even though they struggled in math class in real life 😎
🤦🏼♂️ the ones questioning your maths are the same ones that always skipped your class, Dan. 😂
Great vid
4080 super is clocked a little lower so it does make sense. People look at percentages without analyzing everything. Obviously a 4080 super at 3000mhz core is going to perform a lot better.
@@nickbryant6970that wasnt the question
Easy to understand this way: If I go to a store and get a price "plus VAT", it means I get, for example, 1000$ plus 20% VAT (actual numbers may vary).
If instead, the same store gives me a 20% discount, it means I'll have (example) 1200$ purchase price less 20% to pay.
The base purchase price is what makes the final account. 20% of 1200 is obviously more then 20% of 1000.
For the price of a 4080 super, you can buy the 4070 Ti Super AND upgrade your CPU. More performance/better bang for buck from that perspective.
For real though! Glad I'm not the only one thinking this way Lol
But you might also need new motherboard... and new memory
at 1440p, but at 4k cpu dont matter
@WizZarDz0rrrr it won't at 1440p either
@@MG-rm4pz it does tho
I got a kick out of the math smackdown. Keep the awesome content coming Daniel
That's the video I was waiting for! Thank you sir!
Thank You! Well done! You cleared up my doubts!!!!
i have been watching your videos for serval months now.. along with alot of others who do what you do.. and though everyone is good at what they do, i do see your videos as the most informative from a intellectual aspect and feel you break them down to laymen's terms better than anyone else for us dummies, so thank you!! don't know how anyone could/would call out your intelligence!!? so thank you Daniel!! keep up the grind of great informative videos!!
Lmao at the percentages bit, you're really the bigger man Daniel. Fewer people are bad at maths today thanks to you.
Hey man , you’re doing great , I always liked you’re videos and it’s always a big help with the reviews !
Subscribed. This looks like an incredible amount of time and work. Thanks for the free content.
The 4080 Super doesn't have enough performance advantage to justify the price. The 4070 TI Super is the better deal.
True, but i still prefer 4080 super, because its still affortable. (not like 4090)
@@saitamapunchforyou 4090 expensive before of the 24gb vram
Love the value talk with this channel. I was looking for a little better experience in the 4070s super and ended up going with the 4070 TI super. It fits my needs perfectly for 1440 P gaming. Thanks for all the recommendations!
This is the card I'm going to get also, frankly, it looks like the best bang for the buck GPU.
@@billpii6314 4070 super best bang for buck, 4070 ti super best future proof card until u pick up an rtx 6090 ti
Same here, just got it 2 days ago .. amazing!
@@billpii6314 only if you're stuck on Nvidia. If you're open to AMD, they really do deliver more frames per dollar
@@gokartninja1true
Looking at this, glad I got my 4070 Ti Super at MSRP. Was a great bump in performance compared to my 3070 @4K 120hz.
I have held on to a EVGA 1070 and it holds up so well. I have been so fortunate to be able to upgrade to a 4070 ti super. I know from my 1070 that it will hold up for 8 years and it is worth the price.
I was rocking an MSI 1070 until recently and put together a new rig with the Asus tuf 4070 ti super, its the last part and it arrives tomorrow so excited to see 8 years of improvement all at once
@@shezmu24 I'm building a new rig myself. Coming from a 9700K/1070 and going to a 7800X3D/4070 Ti Super in a Lian Li 011D Evo RGB. I'm just waiting on the new Asus PG32UCDM 32" 4K 240 Hz OLED monitor to come back in stock.
Don't forget that your usecase is always very important in telling how long a GPU will hold up. I switched out my old 1070 Ti for a 3070 in 2021 because I was seeing averages below 60fps (at 1080p) on settings that were at least medium in some of the newer AAA games (which was my target to play fluently, at least 60 fps). If I was a person who only played MMOs or other Online Games, I could have probably held out a lot longer. All that said, a 4070 Ti Super will probably last you a very long time seeing as the 1070 lasted you this long. On top of that comes DLSS and Frame Generation, which will probably be a part of the gaming industry for a long time now and that will make the GPU live even longer.
Don't use the 10 series as your benchmark for how long a GPU will remain relevant. It set a very high standard that may not be reached again
u spittin nonsense bro the 1070 sucks lmao quit the cope
I love the way you format these videos with is X better than Y - makes it a lot easier for me to rationalize GPU purchases and what tier GPU I should go for.
Thank you for this video! This helped me much.
In my country scalpers raised 4070 ti super price to 1100$ and 4080 super to 1500$ !!!
skill issue
Ngreedia is the scalper already
just buy 7900xt or xtx
Goodness, I'm sorry. Not fair. 😮 I'm hoping in time, you find the GPU for you, at a price that's that's just. Hold your ground and stay strong everyone.
@@Mr11ESSE111 im going to do that, in 2 months im going to buy the 7900xtx, was looking for 4070 ti or super but its the same price as 7900 xt/xtx
Great video, and put my mind at ease about my purchase of an ASUS ProArt 4070 TI Super for about $20 below MSRP yesterday.
What CPU do you have, and what perf do you see at what res?
Yeah looking at that card for my small itx case price still too high for me though in UK £840.....
Have a ryzen 5 7600 cpu, game at around 3k res on Oled ultra wide curved monitor.
Probably wait for the 4080 super version to drop in price, in no rush.
Daniel, I'm amazed that you can still do all these TechTube videos and teach math to grade schoolers, you are good at managing your time.
Great content Daniel. You just provided the case for buyers to make an informed decision.
Thanks for doing this comparison. I have been waiting to see this test.
INCREDIBLE video. Extremely detail heavy (love this as a nerd) but also you gave a VERY fair and reasonable opinion at the end. I decided to go with the TOP END Ryzen 9 CPU, 4070 TI SUPER, 64 gigs DDR5 7200 MHZ ram, and gen 5 NVME for storage. My frames are OFF THE CHARTS on all my main games (in some cases getting 120+ more frames on high/ultra settings). I was ALMOST gonna get the 4090, but I feel the 50 series will prob be a better move. If I am gonna spend 1400-2000+ dollars, I want HIGH ASS frames on ultra, with PT ETC. I won't spend that much to get 30-50 FPS. Not worth it.
Yeah, 5090 would be the ultmate 4k card.
Thanks for another great video Professor Owen!
You would need to be playing either with VRR or with V-Sync off when using the 4070 Ti, or you're going to notice every time you drop below 60fps, which would happen more often than with the 4080. VRR is pretty common nowadays, so there's a high chance someone spending money on these cards will have it from one source, but not everyone will.
Very informative. Thank you.
Asus 4070 Ti Super TUF for $799 was the best choice in the Super series. It was an instant buy for me. Still find it quite strange the reviewers didn’t see its sweet spot. I think they got blinded by the excellent uplift of 4070 Super and expected the same for 4070 Ti Super and then got disappointed. 4070 Ti Super is doing exactly what’s it’s supposed to do. I’m having a blast playing Alan Wake 2 with full Ray Tracing, it’s amazing and a very important factor to actually enjoy the game and rise the tension/excitement/scariness. If I turn off RT it’s just another game. Never experienced such big difference before.
What CPU did you pair your 4070 TiS with?, looking to buy a sub $2000 pc
@daseb_xdhere stick with an I7 or Ryzen 7 7700X, don't get anything less and don't bother with anything bigger if you only plan on Gaming, the I9's are roughly about the same speed, but alot more cores... cores you'll most likely never use for gaming. Just get an I7 14700K and Slightly OC it and your good. Unless your planning on like... single pc streaming or some video editing, then an I9 makes sense. But like a 14700k has plenty of horsepower to run a few extra things while gaming.
Also note, this is the last year for the LGA 1700 socket that Intel is currently using for the 14th gen. So if your looking to future proof now, go Ryzen. Or wait till 15th gen intel comes out and go from there. The 7700X multithread scores at about half of what the I7 can do multitasking, but their about the same for single core.
If the target is gaming only, I'd say any of the X3Ds will do great. More cores is always nice, back when I was on a 6-core I noticed that some games would perform much worse simply because the cores used also needed to run everything else, that's why more cores can be good for gaming. Similar to how intel does it with the efficiency cores, some weaker cores to run shenanigans in the back while the power cores carry your game. My rig is from 2021 and I'm sitting on a 5900X but I don't see any reason to hop off it anytime soon. Such a blast. @@Kryptonight_Exception
I bet I can show you scenes without RT that you couldn't tell the difference other than a much lower FPS. Programmers have gotten real go with lighting even without RT.
@@Kryptonight_Exceptionand you don't even have to OC it to "be good". :)
You are literally the best in this gpu comparison scenario. The only one who compares high and ultra settings which looks basically the same but in many cases offers much better performance.
Congrats on the content and PLEASE keep it up! Heheh
I just loved the math teacher exitment at the beginning. I would watch explanation videos from you, seriously xD
Great content, your XTX vs 4080 video helped me decide on a 4080S over the XTX and I couldn't be happier with my decision. 4080S run cool, quiet and your point about meaningfully different experiences is spot on. 4080S if you can get it at MSRP, 4070ti is a great option otherwise.
Love your videos Mr. Owen, you’re quickly becoming my favorite techtuber. I have a question though, shouldn’t the 1% lows performance graph be in proportion to the average fps? For example, the 4080S might have higher 1% lows than the TI Super, but the TI Super’s 1% lows are proportionally closer to its avg fps, therefore it’d show as having better % than the 4080 Super’s. Does that make sense?
Hmmm 🤔 that is a good point lol
appreciate the video ! was considering the 4080 super when the prices go down but i think i might just get the 70 ti super instead because of this video
I actually got an OC version of 4070 Ti Super at MSRP and I'm getting 24.6k-ish performance in Cinebench 2024, compared to 26k in the 4080. What I mean to say is it's really close and the difference isn't that much for it to be worth it. Also, atm in my country they're out of stock, but the 4080 Super was like 35% more expensive. Totally not worth.
-I can get a 4070 Ti Super for $800 delivered overnight to my door by 8am.
-A 4080 Super is $1150+ and would take 4-6 days to get to me.
For 10fps that just doesn't feel worth it.
I'm going for the 4070 Ti Super. It even has 2 HDMI ports vs. 1 of the 4080 Super.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 lol So?
Thanks! Great video!
Great video thanks
Thanks for saying what I wanted to hear. :)
What cpu did you use with these tests?
4:20 God bless the math teacher educating the commenters that didnt learn in school. 👍
Daniel I just wanna day that the minute i heard u say someone in the comments said u wwre doin your matg wrong, i was like isnt he a math teacher? Here we go and u went off and i thought it was most polite way evwr but i could see the anger and frustration inside. Your the man keep doin what your doin
Here we are a couple of weeks after your post. Attempted to purchase a 4080 Super online which showed I was able to add to cart but by the time I went to checkout, it was gone.
Basically I'll be using this with golf simulation software. Kinda clueless about this but I can't imagine the graphic detail would come anywhere close to what you are seeing with so many different objects in games (I don't play games by the way). So, after watching this video, I think even if I wanted to be able to play in 4K, a 4070 TI Super, 4800, or 4800 Super should suit me fine so long as I'm able to find a decent (around MSRP) price. Agreed?
Hey teach,
I'd find it very useful if you put up graphs at the end, summating the findings of the testing while you go through your conclusion.
Very good video. Next time could you put in account their power consumption?
You are a Tech legend, Sir! God bless!
this eas very helpful. Thanking God I just picked up a 4070 TI Super open box for under $650. I just hope it works :) but 12-20% best case scenario. . . the 4080 fails to match price to performance let alone paying under $700 for the card. The fact they're bumping up the AIB prices makes it really a tough sell and for next to unnoticable FPS gains. Going from 60 to 75fps is a real whatever when its hundredgs of dollars of a difference.
… yall realize he’s a math teacher right 🤣
which card should i pick for my i5 13600k? i mostly play 4k solo and editing video.
Thank you at the end for addressing the main overlooked part of the discussion... Anything above the 4070 ti super is essentially going to be the SAME EXPERIENCE GAMING as the rest of it. Going up to the 4080 or 4080 super doesn't give you enough added performance to jump up to 4k in any games you couldn't before, or allow you to move from the 60+ fps experience up to the 120+ fps experience.... If you want to be competitive in new games AND play the graphically focused single player games in 1440 you basically have to jump up to the 4070 ti super.... and if you really really want to drive these newer graphically focused games at HIGH REFRESH RATES you pretty much HAVE to jump up to the 4090. Landing in the middle doesn't really do anything for the gaming consumer.
I love your videos. Do you ever do over clocking comparisons as well? I heard the 4070Ti Super when overclocked can get really close to a stock 4080. I have yet to see anyone make this video comparison. I’m curious since the new 4070 Ti Super is now on the Same die as the 4080.
No, the cache is the bottleneck. They cut it down to 48 MB so whatever you do, you'll never reach the same performance as the 4080.
@@pixels_per_inch Yeah, i didn’t say the same. I want to see how close it can get.
Cancelling my 4080 S order after watching this video. 1186€ here in France while I could get 4070TS at 930€, 250€ of difference definitely not worth ≈ 10 fps / game
I reached the same conclusion, especially for my specific use case.
With this logic, noone would ever be buying 4090 at 2k euros. And inevitably, you can keep finding the best price-performance ratio all the way down until you get to a 300 euro PC that can barely run Windows.
A 4060ti for example only costs 460 euros while 4070ti super is 1050. Is 4070tis performance 2.3x better than 4060ti? No, it's only 1.7x better. So, logically, 4060ti has a better price-performance. Why bother with 4070tis?
What I'm saying is: price:performance is a silly metric. If you want a 20% better performance and can afford it, get 4080s.
With a 7900x CPU, the 4080s is a lot less of a bottleneck than the 4070tis.
@@skuripandaburns34897900xtx instead of 4080s?
@@skuripandaburns3489 While I acknowledge your point of view. I suggest an use case (prolly a rare one). 1440p ultra wide display (because of working from home compromise). Gaming, but not demanding ultra details in newest games and also occasionally playing with stable diffusion (where the VRM matters a ton). PCie3.0 motherboard ( Ryzen 5700x, upgrading from GTX 1070). Now it makes sense to me to go for 4070TS. 4060Ti being only 8x card kinda puts PCIe3.0 at disadvantage. So this comparison kinda makes to me. If you know what I mean. Tho I could see an argument to go all the way to 4090 and later on only needing of an upgrade of the rest of the system, but then we are getting into a circle... I am sorry if it was confusing
@OlaffLudwig my point stands: get a card that matches your performance needs (or wishes), if you can afford it, and don't make your decision by the "price:performance" metric, because the best performance per dollar is always on the cheapest cards. But do the cheapest cards satisfy your minimum?
If you want 10% more performance and can afford 20% higher price tag, don't let anyone make you feel bad about opting for a more expensive card.
Your system must be built according to your needs and your budget.
I will be honest, I got the 4080S FE (after many hours of refreshing) just because I plan to build in a NR200 which 1) It fits perfectly 2) Really like the look of it compared to the other brand models with a lot of RGB. When the really nice looking 4070 Ti S almost cost $900 in BB, I just decided the 10%-20% increase with the look of the FE was worth it.
I had this exact dilemma, choosing between a RTX 4070 Ti Super and a RTX 4080 Super, I chose the first because the performance increase was too minimal for my taste.
I went for the 4070 Ti Super for the VRAM and the memory bandwidth and I put the money saved on other things in my PC.
The videos are on point, the maths part at the beginning 👌, I’m kiddin’ a bit but some people genuinely don’t understand while others can be arguing in bad faith but regardless the video was perfectly balanced be informative and fun to watch for all IMO 👍
I think 4070 Ti Super is the goat for 1440p. Although 7900 XT is very tempting for anyone who's not interested in ray tracing.
I could see going 4080/4080super for 1440 ultrawide, but not for regular 1440p.
@@kathrynckYou act like RTX is all about ray tracing LMAO -> DLDSR, DLSS, DLAA, Reflex, RTX IO, RTX Video, DLSS 3 + FRAME GEN for 4000 series as well. AMD is SEVERLY lacking on features when you consider HOW MANY FEATURES RTX really has at this point and better yet, TONS of games has all these features. Meanwhile FSR3 support is lacking HARD and looks way worse than DLSS/DLAA because of artifacts. AMDs solution was AFMF which is TERRIBLE compard to Frame Gen for 4000 series. Tons of artifacts as well. This is AMDs huge problem right now. Their features are subpar and they should lower prices even more.
@@kathrynck I think even UW, the 4070 Ti Super is probably still the best overall bet. It's 4k where I think the 4080 Super would be more necessary.
@@munfurai8083 hmm, but 4080/super is slightly weak on 4k. If 1440-UW is best off with 4070 Ti Super, then 4080 is kinda in a no-mans-land between monitor resolutions, no?
Then again, I guess there's a market for a 'weak-ish' 4k-card, which costs a lot less than a 4090.
@@kathrynck i had this situation, got an 4070 ti super and returned it for a 4080 super.
i switched from 1080p to 4k in this generation and mostly play total war warhammer 3.
the 4070 ti super was a great card and also a little, but noticeable bit less loud than the 4080 super, but it delivered just this 10-15% less fps that keep me over 60 fps in tww3.
if i pay that much money for an gpu i don't want a card, that delivers just not enough to give me a smooth experience.
Thank you, this was the video I was looking for. Wanted to know what would be best for playing on a 4k TV with a controller and it seems that 4070tis would definitely be the one to go for, especially with the prices the way they are.
Agreed, 4080s would make more sense if it was 20gb but since it’s the same as the 4070ti super just doesn’t make sense to me
Amazing that you actually have to explain percentages to people.
I'd love to one day see you do a video on best hardware for VR gamers, I'm just in the process of upgrading my GPU from a 3060ti to either 4080 super or 4070 ti super, I have a 13th gen cpu it's an i7 13700f, which graphics card would you suggest for my CPU?
I had a question, which one do you prefer .4070 or 7800xt on 1440p ?🤔🤔im not english good
Does the 4080 have a much better nvec encoder for streaming games compared to the 3080 ?
Hi, just wanted to point at the other case where if someone was considering a higher tier 4070 Ti Super (a ROG Strix at $900 for example) against a cheap MSRP 4080 Super ($1'000). Then it'd be a better deal, I'm just saying. 😅 but I know it's also a matter of higher quality materials, better heat dissipation and so. It's really up to you.
3 weeks later, and that same windforce v2 is costing 1279,00 USD this is just crazy.
Which models of the GPUs were tested here.
Thanks for the work you do !
Dude you rule and I love this channel. I didn't skip the math rant, it owned!
Should do a video on memory bandwidth being more important than vram amount. The difference between the 4060ti 8 & 16gb doesn't really change as you increase resolution. Same with the 7600 and 7600xt. As they have the same bandwidth. But the 3080s lead over the 6800 increases as you increase resolution. The 3080 loses to a 6800xt at 1080p, but beats the 6800xt and 7800xt at 4k. The 3070ti is close to a 6800 at 4k than it is at 1080p. With modern games using heavy asset streaming, and per pixel rendering it's more important to be able to swap assets quickly than store no longer used assets. Previously games used LoD and had the same asset loaded into memory 3-4 times and would load higher quality versions as you got closer. Games don't do that anymore, they just use per pixel rendering to adjust the level of detail on the fly, using the same assets.
Sure there is still I min vram buffer needed for modern games (anything released in the last 8 months that doesn't have hdd support). You wouldn't want to get a GPU with under 8gb at 1080p or 10gb at 1440p. But even so, higher memory bandwidth will help more than extra vram. Outside of the 3 games that came out before SSD was required but still used larger assets.
It would be interesting to see how some of these cards would work with VR.
I got the 4070 ti super… 4080 super disappointed from stores in an instant for the msrp. For 1440p ultrawide the increase in vram over my 3080 10gb made wonders, as most games maxed with RT eat up 13gb vram.
As long nvidia keeps pumping frame gen into games, I am set for a few years!
How is the 4070 Ti super on 1440 ultrawide?
I was thinking 4070 Ti super looked 'very' strong for regular 1440p, but that 4080/super might be interesting for ultrawide.
Just curious how it's working for you (although obviously it's probably crushing your previous card hehe). Do you use upscaling or anything? Is it solid on ultrawide without dlss?
@@kathrynck So far so good! I use DLSS and FG when available. The latency added is so minimal, that the graphics quality makes up for it a ton. Alan Wake 2 completely maxed with RT runs at 70 fps with DLSS quality and FG. And honestly I don't think we'll see much more demanding games than that for a while.
Forza Horizon 5 went from 95 on ultra/extreme with RT to 165 when adding FG.
One thing is the average fps, but the most noticeable is the way higher 1% lows, so the gameplay is more smooth.
@@xedarkrunner5167 makes sense on the 1% lows.
I was just curious. I'm using a 4090 on 4k, and I don't use DLSS much with it, as my monitor isn't gonna go over 120hz without signal compression (which it 'can' do, but it isn't loss-less). Cyberpunk/AllenWake are obvious exceptions, they're kinda the modern "Crysis" hehe.
Just trying to stay well informed about what works well at what resolution. And I don't see a lot of UW benchmarking.
@@kathrynck I agree. I wish to see more benchmarking at 1440p ultrawide as well, but I see the extra work needed for a reviewer to do such a thing, however the ultrawide market is increasing. I usually look at 1440p and 4k, and imagine to be somewhere in the middle but closer to 1440p 16:9.
@@xedarkrunner5167 *nod* that makes sense. I did see someone doing a lot of 1440 UW testing vs 1440p, and it looked like a 20-28% performance hit depending on title. 4k wasn't tested alongside it (like you said, a lot of work for reviewers), but other benchmarks elsewhere would put 4k at a lot more of a performance hit. I think UW looks like it'd be around 1/3 of the way to 4k (from 1440p)? maybe a little less even.
Technically my monitor would be great for benching this sort of thing (Neo G7 32"), it can display 1440p UW with letterboxing. But I only have one GPU myself hehe.
I just think 1440 UW is a great option (though I like my large-4k). And wanna have informed opinions on card choices for UW, cuz people ask :)
for a $1k GPU that can't do 60 fps in 4k ... Developers should do better.
7900xtx can do 60fps 4k without any scaling
You need to remember that ultimate settings include things like AA, SSxx, and so on. Many of these things can be disabled for additional performance, and at 4K, I personally don't even see a difference unless I pull out a magnifying glass and start examining the pixels. Even my poor 1080 does very well at 4K, and the 4070 Ti Super would offer me double the performance. As it is, I can get 40-60 FPS out of the titles I run at max detail at 4K. You can say I'm lying, but I'm not. I have been running 4K on this rig since 2017, and is the reason I still have a 1080 today. I'm only looking at upgrading as I need more VRAM. 8 Gb just isn't enough anymore.
the 4070 ti s is $800
It's on purpose
Video idea, if you haven't done it. Performance cost of DLSS across different cards/generations. E.g. 1440p native vs 4k quality. Both render at the same internal res but what is the cost of the tech across different cards/generations ??
Was wondering for 1440p 360hz comp shooters will a 4070 ti super be good paired with a 7800x3d? I still plan to play single player stuff as well on the side. Currently have a 3080 ti been going back and forth for the better power and heat of the 40 series or just try to wait it out for the 50 series.
Dude, you have a solid gpu already. I have 3070ti and mostly play single player titles, and in doubt of an upgrade. You can easily wait till 5080 arrives
@@alexanderruchkov7629 I was able to get a 4080 super FE at MSRP and sold my 3080 ti on market place for a decent price. If I wasn’t able to sell it I wouldn’t have got the new one. Thank you for the reply.
Funny enough on the original video I noticed the way you did your percentage equation was different but the way you explained it was correct but I was pretty sure people were going to be confused about it.😂
As much as I want to get the 4070 Super for value, I do want the 16GB VRAM. In my country, the difference between the 4070 TI Super and 4080 Super is 220 USD. Which would you recommend?
Cannot get into BIOS after disabling onboard VGA in the BIOS.
I just built a new AMD rig and went into my BIOS and disabled the onboard VGA display figuring it was worthless. Man was I ever wrong! Now I cannot even see anything on the screen until I am fully into windows! I tried doing shift / restart to get to boot but still black. Any advice? I do not want to rip out the battery. Any help?
The board is an ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F
CPU = AMD 7800X3D
Plug your monitor into the onboard video port, get into bios and set external graphic card to boot first or both. Then plug back into GPU and reboot.
Loved the math rant. By the way, that's also why you need more than a 50% rise in stock prices to make up for a 50% loss ...
Hello everyone! One thing that I'm always looking for but never find the answer... is frame gen/dlss worth it of you're playing at 1440p 32:9 super ultra wide resolution? It's extremly hard to find any performance analysis of Super ultra wide resolutions 😅
Ones that require a lot of frame gen dlss to play well? I have a ultra wide too at 1440p but my TV is 4k and both benchmarks would be useful.
I did all that math in my head during the last video so I remember exactly what you are talking about. I preferred to think about it the other way than you presented it
Ever since I've seen your first video I was able to calculate percentages in an easy way, when comparing a value to another. Before I was getting the same results but with a more cumbersome way of calculation. (the way I learned it in school)
Great video. Helps to confirm my choice in going with the 4070ti s. Price is still high but price to performance is just better than the 4080s
It’s been good for me
For a while, I've been debating on which one to get in my new build. Thanks for the breakdown!
I can see that frame generation on 4080 super don't change that much latency on 4080 s compared to 4070 ti s. Dose this impact different responsiveness on both card with FG on??
Forgive me but I haven’t had a video card since the radeon 6990 and I’m not too stoked about the increase on PlayStations essentials prices so I want to get a gaming PC again. My question is, what is DLSS? How does the upscaling work? Is it upscaling? Also, you were saying that playing with Settings on high extend the life of your GPU. Can this be taken into consideration for example with playing on 4K ultra settings with DLSS? I’m guessing this strictly pertains to just settings and not resolution settings?
Hey man in simplest terms, as you probably know, running a game at higher resolution makes it look good but it is also very hard to run.
So DLSS basically reduces the game resolution so it can run better BUT it also increases the image quality (upscales image) so It actually looks like a high resolution image.
By that you get high resolution like graphics and better frame rate.
14:50 I don't understand why the pc delays differ so much while they are at the same frame rate (2ms difference in frame time)
Just picked up a used 4080 for $840 and this thing is a beast! I benchmarked it after purchase to make sure it is putting up numbers similar to other 4080's and it stacks up. Very happy with it! When deciding I was torn between the used 4080 and a new 4070 Ti Super. Thanks for the vid!
5:10 i hope its not like Centimetr to USA inch , so You have different percent over the sea maby too?
Learning about graphic cards differences as well as about math. Respect
I am sure you're quite busy, being a teacher, having kids and all that but would it possible to do comparisons with overclocking? I mean I know that not every card overclocks the same but it would still be interesting to see! Especially since the 4080super technically should be able to achieve better OC results when given a higher power limit.
Honestly super bummed by all of the GPUs currently. I am in the middle of building a new rig (been on a 3080 razer blade advanced) and wanting a stationary setup since I don't travel much and man it just sucks trying to decide what GPU to go with. The 4090 of course is what i was going to go with but with the prices the way they are, while I can "afford it" I can't justify it because the 50 series is right around the corner.. Really thinking about just going with the 4070 TI super and then buy the 5090 when it drops. Not really happy with the numbers I'm seeing though pushing 1440 on ultra these cards are spitting out less than desirable number... What really sucks is the reliance on AI and DLSS to push for performance. I really do not like where things are headed. I would rather have more raw performance vs AI assistance.
How do you think these cards would compare to a EVGA 3080 XC3 OC 10gb?
I just upgraded from a evga ftw3 3080 10gb to a pny verto 4080 super. 40%-50% performance uplift, 60%-80% when raytrace is on
Would love to see RTX 4070S vs AMD vs Intel in optimized RT settings (like DF CP2077 and AW2 settings with sprinkle of RT).
Thanks this really helped in my choice
i know this is not the mainstream... but i really wanna know... can a rtx4070s be enuf to run 3440x1440 Ultrawide monitor
So sad that people do not understand percentage calculations. As a chemical engineer, who has taught higher math at college on the side, it is crazy when people try to correct my math. Similarly, it is crazy to question the math of a math teacher!
It's healthy to ask "are you sure", but not out-right say someone is wrong without proof.
So i want to ask if i have budget which should i go for ? 4070ti super or 4080 super
Hi Daniel and everyone else. I do have a question for you all. What do you guys think, I managed to buy a 4080 Founder's Edition in 1,016 dollars I am going to use it for 1440p monitor and want to use it up for the next 15 years. Is the price a good price for the quality it provides and do you guys think it will last that long?
it would be very usefull for the simracing community to include a game of that genre in the comparison benchmarks... maybe ACC...
Is RE4 remake still crashing because of RT? I tried max settings on 1440p on my 4080 super, and it kept crashing after just a little while, turning off RT helped for a moment, then it crashed again, so turning down the texture vram amount to like 3-4gb helped me to not get it to crash anymore. Ive undervolted the gpu to .960v at 2820 mhz, and its been good in other games, so I dont think its the issue here?
I think you answered your own question, but yes. It crashes if it goes over VRAM, they never fixed that.
@@AbrahamZX1 I think I was using around 10gb out of my 16gb at that point :/ which was within the "white" limit, not orange or red, but maybe it uses more than expected? Didnt look like it in rtss
It's surely the undervolt fault
Great comparison! Only reason why I got a 4080 super was I was lucky enough to get a founders. If there was a founders 4070 ti super, I would've totally got that instead, but most of the nicer looking cards were already $850+ so just took the hit for more money. Damn you nvidia!
Hi. Can you test them on PRODUCTIVITY APPS such as Lumion or D5 Render?
Here prices from a specific brand are at:
4080S - USD 1,242 (26% more)
4070TS - USD 984 (21% cheaper )
I wonder if the rendering speed difference is significant between the two. I am coming from a RTX 3070.
Daniel Owen states he only tests games, not productivity app. Linus Tech tips and Gamers Nexus tends to test those a fair bit.
Edit: Tech notice is also on the smaller side and test GPUs and some other hardware specifically for productivity workloads. Highly reccomend checking them out for that information.
I got my 4080 super for msrp where I live and it was "only" 18% more expensive than the 4070ti super, so I'm pretty happy with that. Still expensive as hell though! 😅
hey Owen, you should do the COD MW test on Warzone.
keep the good work mate.