Can The Slowest RTX Graphics Card Even Ray Trace?
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I see if the slowest 'RTX' branded Nvidia graphics card can even do its branding.
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"Why not get the RX 6600 instead of the RTX 3050?"
"I want ray tracing"
^ Actual forum discussion I saw.
Lol all that Nvidia rtx marketing is working then.
To be fair, a RTX 2050 is like if you took a 3050 and kneecapped it before breaking its back. A 85W RTX 3050 performs significantly better (though still not great).
can you explain? dont know much about all this ict/hardware stuff. I guess the RX6600 can perfectly handle ray tracing but nvidia somehow got the illusion to the large crowds that their rtx cards where much better and optimized for that task?
Want ray tracing? Buy second hand 2080 for much better performance
get a used rtx 3060ti for $250. It is tons faster than both at raytracing
Calling this GPU RTX 2050 is like saying '' oh yeah my phone can record in 4K... at 13 fps ''
So like AMDs claims about having RT hardware.
@@ABaumstumpfThe new 7000 series GPUs and specifically anything above 7800 tier isn't horrible.
yeah hopefully intel or qualcomm can disrupt this monopoly/duopoly soon
Raster is king pal@@ABaumstumpf
@@ABaumstumpf I have AMD cards and my friends too. They run ray tracing very well, and while an RX 6600 (last gen) that costs 200€ will not run cyberpunk in 4K ultra with path tracing, it will run any game at medium settings with medium RT... Obviously if you compare a 1200$ RTX 4080 Super with a last gen RX 6700 XT weirdly enough the RX 6700 XT will perform bad compared to the 4080 😂 I think there's a difference between not getting 120fps in a AAA game with RT and just not being able to play any RT games at all except Minecraft...
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RTX slide shows are fun. Instead of a game, its like you're watching someone's vacation pictures in Powerpoint. "Do you see?" "Do you see?"
Lolz
thats so true, i loved watching powerpoints on my old gpu
Minecraft RTX be like on non-Nvidia GPUs:
Good to know that my ideapad laptop with a 2050 can do raytracing as long as I'm fine with it becoming a potential fire hazard lol
Yes, but the ray tracing will make the fire have great looking real time shadows and light sourcing.
It can do RT the same way it can be used as a club -- it'll probably somewhat work a few times, but I wouldn't recommend making a habit of it.
Ray tracing in such machines is not for games. It was designed for professional software and rendering of images with lots of reflective surfaces.
@@aleksazunjic9672 I don't think there's a lot of people that are gonna do professional 3D rendering on a $500 gaming laptop.
@@HunterTracks It is not a gaming laptop for them, or at least not primarily gaming laptop. Also, people were doing professional work on far weaker machines in the past, everyone is not rich (for example students of graphical design) and finally why spend more money if you could do your job on something like this.
Although RTX performance has gotten better over the past couple years, even my desktop 3060 struggles on low ray-tracing. It's like saying you can be an Olympic track runner because you have legs.
I mean yeah we all could be one but should we.
@@ProjectFraz exactly
You can get Ray tracing over 60 with higher tier/newer cards
@@drebodollaz3504no...you can't. (Unless you are talking about The highest oligarch tier). Got my hand on 4070, without dlss you can forget about ray tracing because often you won't even get that 60 fps
@@drebodollaz3504If you have 4080 or higher- yes.
The main problem with RTX on laptops is manufacturers are obsessed with making laptops thin if laptops were thick and bulky again we’d have more performance by now
i would like to see a laptop with modern hardware and the thickness of a thinkpad g41
and non-gamer laptops would be the thin ones.
@@floydlooney6837 yeah
We still do have current gen thick and bulky gaming laptops that offer some of the best performance on the market, issue is that A: they are for most people often prohibitly expensive and B: not everyone wants a thick brick scolding jet engine on their lap or even on thier desk, but they still want to play games! hense why thin and slick gaming laptops are offered, picked up a Zephyrus G14 recently and its pretty powerful for how thin and small it is and absolutely love it
@@pelehosmusic contrary to popular belief, you're probably not doing any sort of gaming on your laptop with it on your lap, even with a controller.
Trust me, I've already tried
I'd like to see how well a modern desktop GPU gimped to 40 watts would do ray tracing.
An RTX 3080 laptop basically has the same chip as a desktop 3070Ti (6144 core GA104), and when that is limited to 40W while on battery (I think, I don't remember exactly) the performance is pretty dismal... somebody should do a video on it.
@@leohuangchunwangthat why you plug it in
@@Bolt451 That why you get desktop for power. Laptop is not a good idea if you need some serious power, not with cooling of one.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 some people need portability and power and its impressive that you can get something that stacks up to a desktop 4080 when plugged in is not only impressive but useful to certain people.
@@Bolt451agreed, if I really needed top teir performance, I would’ve just built a desktop, but after gaming on only desktops for years, I wanted something really fast that I can take with me, so i recently-ish bought a Thinkpad P1 Gen 6 with a (unfortunately 80w+20w) RTX 4090 for a decent deal. (Won a US eBay auction, US machine shipped to AU, even after the crazy shipping costs it was still a lot less than if I bought it from AU Lenovo directly. (Plus Lenovo voiding the machines standard 1 year warranty once i registered it in Australia, so I’m pretty much screwed if something happens to it)
After owning it for a few months though, wasn’t really the best choice for me. The power limited RTX 4090 means performance is somewhat underwhelming compared to my much older desktops. (ie, FC5 from 2018 struggles to hit 60fps at 4K maxed out details due to the GPU’s power limit, I’d think it should easily hit 100+ in 4K but again that power limit)
Might sell it and save up for a Legion 7 w/ a 175w RTX 4090, though the RTX 5000 series will be out by then so probably best I stick with it for now)
8:32
This is how the switch 2 will look, mark my words, Nontendo will abuse the hell out of DLSS.
Probably. It'll still most likely be a 30 fps system also.
@@ProjectFraz totally agree
assuming they dont jump to amd like the ps5 and xbox
When I was in the hospital I took my not-so-gamer Thinkpad with me to play Fallout 4 or New Vegas, one night I set up on an old wall-mount A/C unit and blasted 55F cold air on the bottom and got about 20C lower temps. I was worried that the temp difference could condensate inside so I didn't do it for very long, but surprised it worked for a laptop without a lot of ventilation.
Its not a problem, as long as it is above room temperature. And hospitals LOVE their room temps be low.
@@alexturnbackthearmy1907 Oh yeah, I believe it. The section I was in at the time was delivery ward as a supervisor to the package courier in the room and temps were probably kept about 70-72F, that's why I kind of worried about it. Then again there was more important things to worry over.
What Thinkpad is it? I got a RTX 4090 equipped US P1 Gen 6 brand new for a bit more than half price (off of an eBay* auction that I “accidentally” won) than if I had bought direct from Lenovo AU.
*Don’t recommend, since I bought it off of eBay and shipped it to Australia, the machines 1 year standard warranty was immediately void and Lenovo have been dicking me around saying the machine never came with a warranty, and that eBay isn’t a “sanctioned” place to buy their laptops from
@@thegeforce6625 It's an old Thinpad E560, has an i5-6200U, Intel HD 520 graphics, 16GB of DDR3 and a 2.5" Crucial MX500 1TB. I've upgraded it since I was in the hospital to what it is now, isn't bad for free corporate garbage. I just wish I had a more powerful Brickpad to build into a gaming laptop but haven't found such a thing, it's either too old or too expensive for old equipment.
@@aku2dimensional nice nice, not a bad machine even today.
And yeah I agree, I got a high end (but essentially perfect condition) W530 in late 2022 and that cost me about $500aud, and spend probably a extra $150-200 in upgrades such as the i7 3940XM (fastest 3rd gen core mobile CPU) and a 2TB hard drive (I picked a specific model because the manufacturer somehow crammed 3 platters into a standard 9.5mm tall enclosure)
I have a 4090, and I don't even bother with the psycho setting. Personally I can barely tell the difference between ultra and psycho, but psycho makes the GPU work significantly harder, but for minimal benefit.
i can barely tell the difference between ray tracing on and off from a 3070 owner
Just use pathtracing
@@NamTran-xc2ipYeah I played through CP2077 on my 4070 Ti with path tracing because it looked so much better. Theres definitely a big difference between path tracing and the normal ray tracing modes, especially in GI.
@@captainpotatonlyhow? Without rt reflections there's so many things with such inaccurate reflections or they don't even have any at all, and without rt lighting a lot of the scene just ends up looking rather flat
I leave RT on but limit fps at 60. This way I save 100-130 watts on power draw and around 400 rpm on fans
DLSS 3 doesn't mean frame generation, if that is what you were wondering on portal. DLSS 3 does include frame generation too on the newer cards, but it's the newest upscaling stuff over the board.
also he was looking at the wrong graphical settings and the visual glitches were most likely caused by modifying them
that would explain everything going back to normal after restarting the game and using the right settings
Frame generation has been released by amd for every amd card. But nvidia? No dont think so.They can but they wont. Money milking company
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When you set cyberpunks ray tracing to Psycho, I think when it said 420 the counter switched from FPS to SPF 😂
What is spf
@@HSK_EDITS a measurement used to quantify the strength of sunscreen
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@@usernamequaalquerr now i am confused which of you guys are correct
The flipped upside down laptop position is brilliant! 😂👌
some laptops use the keyboard for airflow or to just help radiate heat. I wouldn't necessarily say that having it upside down and closed is best for thermals. probably more like sitting on the lid with the body raised in the air
Glad you put 32gb in, as someone who just did a review on a laptop with limited vram, I noticed going from 16gb to 32gb made a difference because once the card runs out of vram it starts pulling from the system ram which may be all used up then starts page filing off your ssd.
You also need to check your GPUs wattage since there are probably 8 different variants of that card.
Yeah the RTX 3050 in my laptop goes up to 90w but his seems like its 70w to me
Turning the laptop upside down was the most genius thing I have ever seen.
You are truly amazing 🙂
i noticed in most of your tests the vram was maxed out and a lot of system ram was used. I'd love to see how these laptops fare with productivity software like adobe or blender using CUDA acceleration, or even blackmagic for video editing.
Dawid just wanna say that your videos inspired me to make my first PC build in over 10 years. I have been using a laptop and console since 2011 and not had a desktop in that time, I just finished my build...Gone from a 3050 Ti 'gaming laptop' to a PC with an RX 6750 XT! Keep up the good work man.
You made a great choice! Enjoy!
nice job
BRO for some people who can't afford a good laptop that hp victus is like a dream for us .
i went for the gusto and just bought 4090 for my desktop and a 125 watt 4070 laptop. does quite good. the temp on the laptop is very good too. i also use a cooling pad with my laptop
something interesting - I have a version of the Victus with a 3050. But not the 4 GB 3050. NVIDIA actually released a refresh of the mobile 3050 but with 6 gbs of VRAM and an extra 500 CUDA cores. Might be an uncommon GPU you could take a look at.
Very enjoyable content. I think the upside to these low end RTX cards is the DLSS support. Proper DLSS implementation can make that difference between a 20-30 FPS game and a 40-60FPS game. I suppose if you are Nintendo, 24fps is fine.
“Hair on my eyeballs” was a new one for me.
It would be awesome if you could take those same gpu's and do some DXVK performance comparisons. Especially those lowest-tiers might benefit from having async dx9/10/11 and even dx12-to-Vulkan wrapping.
It did perform decently for being such a cut-down low-power mobile GPU. A comparison to the Rx 6600/7600 at the same settings would be nice.
Portal, Minecraft and Quake are the best for testing as they do a fully raytraced rendering, where as most AAA titles only do the simplest of raytracing like simple global-illumination and flat reflections... cause RDNA can't do texture-lookups during raytracing.
Dawid: let’s make Cyberpunk unplayable
Laptop: Why, what have I done to deserve such abuse?
I have the mobile RTX 2060, he 115W version. It can do RT on older ish games. DLSS combined with it helps immensely.
I guess they should've called it the RT 3030
The new 3050 6gigs should be called like that 💀
@@zsideswapper6718 that one can be the RT 3040
@@zsideswapper6718 What's kinda funny is that the 3050 6GB on laptops can end up being slightly faster due to having a handful more cuda cores. The 3050 lineup itself is a truly strange existence if you include the 2050 with it as a weird cousin.
"It was performing at 1080p on low, which is wasn't doing on high. Anyway, let's make it unplayable". Dawid is the Let's Game It Out of the pc/tech space.
Have msi gf63 thin since 10 months now. It has rtx 2050. Been pretty good to me. I don't use it for ray tracing but dlss surely helps squeezing out more frames.
I love that even at maximum raytracing, Control still runs better on the 2050 than it did on last-gen consoles.
20 fps is what i played half life 1 at on a pentium 166 thinkpad, it was rough and pixelated.
You could play a game like that, helps to look at the floor as much as possible but with enough determination its doable.
Quake 2 also! It worked pretty well on the software renderer, not dissimilar from what we see here save graphical fidelity.
thats how i played quake1 on a 486 dx4 100mhz with reduced window size. by the time hl rolled out i was lucky enough to be sporting a pentium mmx 233mhz with a voodoo2. nice and playable good frames rates @ full screen 640x480
the 50s series cards are literally for office / light gaming pcs or esports gaming pcs at 1080p
I owned a HP Victus too, except mine was using Ryzen 5600H and RTX 3050, tbh the performance was only slightly faster from my PC with i3-10105f and GTX 1650 lol
I went out of my way to get the 2060 max q in my 1st gen ASUS G14. I wanted it to last a while and I was sure ray tracing wasnt the only tech those RT cores would help with. If nvidia had let 20 series work with DLSS 3 I would have been right.
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I love some tay racing
I picked up this Victus from Best Buy two months ago, it was a return and I got it for $600.
I love it, it's all I need to enjoy the games I want to play.
What I do for a laptop on a desk is to use a cookie cooling rack. Perfect to keep the fans from suffocating on a desk!
Nice to see dawid test my laptop
excellent timing, when they nuke the GTX lineup or at least say its coming to an end.
Till they need a 10030 with 3GB anyway... then it will be back.
Probably someone mentioned it already, but the 2050 is not a bad choice if you take the card max power draw into consideration. A lot of entry laptops sport a 3050 that can only draw 35/40W max, those don't do better than a 70W 2050 at least in regular gaming.
In cyberpunk you can get a .ini file to decrease the number of bounces to increase the performance at 30%
And also the nv fg to amd fg to get decent frames wirh rtx.
But path tracing is something that needs at least a 2070.
Just played a few hours of Vice City on PS2 with basic omponent cables. You get used to the haze and blur. Still playable but ❤
It's playabe at 1080p med,RT reflections high,local n sun shadows medium n dlls performance on
an interesting video of what potentially a switch 2 could do
That first visual bug happens to me sometimes with a DESKTOP rtx 2060 😭
that smearing in cyberpunk is due to ray reconstruction.
watching this in rtx 2050 laptop, I bought to play mostly ps4 era games and work stuff, I am kinda suprised seeing its power, but I felt like people talk less about rtx 2050 in internet
I upgraded from a 3060ti to a 4070ti and I really have to say that I did not feel like DLSS 2.0 did much and had too many negatives in how it looked. But I was very pleasantly surprised with the 3.0 on the 40 series card. I couldn't even tell it was enabled. But I can't imagine how it would look on a 1.0 20 series card lol. Unless their driver updates have really just brought it that far since I used the 3060ti?
Damn 2050 is the slowest RTX!? You made my 11 year old Intel 3rd gen i5 with AMD Radeon HD feels much slower and it luckily i just had it resoldered and reapply the thermal paste i have to take it to my regular tech fix shop for the solder tho
Hello Dawid long time subscriber here. Here's a video suggestion Try FSR 3.0 with older RDNA 1 and 2 Cards and compare the differences to Rdna 3 cards results. Would be a great video if you are trying to save a buck on your gpu. For example you could buy a 5700xt used for 100$ instead of 6750xt for 450$. Love the videos and the intro always makes me have a good mood!
There isn't much difference aside from the newer cards seeing a bigger uplift in some titles. I've run my own benchmarks with a 5700XT, 6700 10GB, and 7900XTX. RDNA2/3 APUs see about the same uplift as RDNA2 GPUs. I think a more interesting comparison might be XeSS on ARC vs non-arc cards, as there is a difference in the system used internally with ARC cards having special accelerators for it that are in a way "emulated" on other GPUs in DP4a mode.
Holy sh@t, that upside laptop for the airflow! My world was a lie until now! Thanks Dawid!
Had to use this on old laptops that overheat for a long time! It's so stupid but it works so well!
I bought that 2050 victus with ryzen 5 7535hs and 8 gigs ram, since it was the only laptop i found for my budget and they were the only one to cut the payment to 6 without any interest, have i made a mistake?
I mean im not looking for 144 fps full graphics in every single game.
No more Titan Army Monitor, Dawid?
Waiting to see if it's worth the buy.
DLSS was a significant feature of the RTX 20 series cards, so I wouldn’t say it’s unreasonable to say it can ray trace on portal
Half-Life 1 RT on the 2050 would have been interesting. The video is still nice though. Thank you!
You should compare a rtx 2050, 3050 and 4050 that would be interesting to see
Dawid, isn't Vulkan AMD card drivers or engine? For the portal RTX, idk if that will change the performance any though
Does RTX have an Impact, other than in gaming? Thinking Content creation apps. If so, do the low end RTX cards have limitations when working with something like Blender? (Just a random Content Creator Program I could think of, IDK if Ray Tracing even applies to 'Blender')
In another words, is there any point to having Ray Tracing on my 2060, if I don't want to use it in games?
The gaming aspect is a complementary feature..like the extra wipe on your windshield..
😂 i never thought of, or have seen a laptop oriented like that. Genius!
Seriously you could have choked that RTX with a Vienna sausage
I have a MSI Katana with 3070 8GB - and it's great. Almost all games on 1080p and max details, hits 144fps like my display can do 👍
Ive got a laptop with the 2050 perfectly fine for playing on a laptop screen. I dont think mine allows screen output itll just defaults to the onboard graphics. Also some laptops dont crank them as hard.
This is my EXACT laptop, I felt offended as soon as the video started
I can't get over the fact that the thermometer in the ad said 18,5 degrees and Dawid is sitting in a t-shirt
Got a used ROG Strix laptop with an RX 6800M in it which in timespy is about the same as an RTX 4070 laptop GPU in rasterization and for about the same price as this laptop. Yeah it may not do Raytracing to well but still I don't get peoples aversion to AMD, especially for a powerful used system its great!
Hey Dawid you made a video in wich you tryed gaming on a nas and asustor the brand the nas was from now has on with a 2.0ghz quad core. Just as a video idea
Just as a confirmation: you DID enable the Victus's "Performance mode" in the included "HP Omen" bloatware?
Legitimately just asking.
mine didnt even have hp omen i had to install it myself
Technically the GTX 1070 and GTX 1080 support raytracing.... in software, but most titles just crash if you try to enable raytracing and those that dont... well its pretty but a powerpoint presentation would have better frames.
Yup. I've tried it on the Titan Xp (1090) and Titan V. The V can actually sometimes make it happen at 1080p, but the Xp is a total powerpoint machine. The Xp is still in my player 2 rig. Sadly I sold the V during the cryto craze for more than I bought it. I kinda with I'd done the reverse with those 2.
Rumors say that the graphics part of the next nintendo console soc will be the same performance as a 2050.
You should benchmark metro:exodus the special edition, it has great implementetation of DLSS and RTX
I own this laptop from a deal from best buy (not my main computer) , and so far its alright I got like 90 fps in sea of thieves mythical settings 144 fps in fortnite (performance) I think its decent. I haven't tried ray tracing because bro... its not gonna run well.
11:18 "And for that, you get some remarkably shiny concrete!"
It's only a matter oft time until rust shines too...
I am not a gamer and I've stumbled upon your video by an accident
But I'll definitely turn my work laptop bottom up on the next Monday!
Missed opportunity to use the Laptop Coorel
i don't even use RT on my 3080, games i play almost never have any ray tracing being used, and the ones that do are for like reflections only, and it cuts like 30 frames off the top, for reflections you won't be noticing while gaming. Maybe in a generation or 2 the 70 and 80 series will be able to push ray tracing in useful ways without making the game un playable.
@DawidDoesTechStuff How did you do that? Doesn't the laptop goes into sleep mode or shutdown when the lid is closed? Even I have tried taking display output to an external monitor and it after closing of the lid there is no output to the external display.
Portal RTX is VERY demanding. I only got a locked 30fps with a 3090. You need a 40 series card for it.
i got a 4090, and is barely playable.
Definitely demanding. Gigabyte 4070 Ti Super Windforce OC. No user overclock. In chamber 1 I got 30 FPS AVG. Max 40 FPS, Min 22 FPS. 23 FPS 1% Low, 22 FPS 0.1% Low. 2560x1440, Max settings in the normal video settings, Ultra settings in RTX menu, no DLSS, no motionblur. DLSS makes it very playable though, and looks great still.
i tested it on my old rx6900xt and it ran like cat barf. havent even bothered to test on my rtx 4080 because i frankly dont care.
That doesn't sound right, something else is afoot
Man, even just watching that movement from a camera beside David is making me feel slightly queasy.
If u close ur lap like that and try to play.. It will heat up more and even can damage screen
Is it the monitor you're using or is it the gpu's fault? (vertical screen door lines in all the games).
there are as many as 6 mobile variants of the RTX 3050 (in addition, each may have a different maximum power). Which variant did you have?
a ray tracing card that doesn't know how to trace rays
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Seeing what those hackers did with the 5600XT in Brazil, I wonder if you could potentially do the same to this and make it an RTX 3050 again?
I wonder if handhelds can do pathtracing, if not, its a win for laptops.
DLSS3 works on all RTX cards lmao, it's the frame generation feature that is disabled on non-40 series cards. (They are NOT the same thing). I thought this was well established in the tech world already lmao
This year I bought Victus 15 with RTX 3050 on it cuz I'm tight on budget, gotta say though this thing handle pretty decent
I only play Genshin on it, but the game itself also has global illumination update recently. Unfortunately no DLSS but FSR 2, but that update make Genshin quite heavy on PC
My Victus 15 can handle the Ultra settings but has fps drop around 45fps, I crank it down to High-Medium custom setting FSR2 still on and I've got stable lock 60fps and the game still beautiful AF with ray tracing still on 👍
When you play Portal RTX you should not change any in-game settings, you should only change those settings that are in the Nvidia RTX Remix overlay (Alt+X in Portal RTX)
Considering a Sinclair was able to race trace, yes, yes it can.
Can it ray trace effectively os the question.
Technically yes since you can do raytracing on a cpu in any dcc application. You didn't mention only for realtime gaming in the title.
I can see you playing the games in window borderless, will that slow down the fps. Will it not be better in fullscreen mode
1:40 im assuming that's a typo on the Asus's specs, showing both having a 2050?
my laptop which has a 3050 6gb paired with a i5 13420h and 36gb ram runs great on many raytracing games when plugged in and also it uses alot of power like 300 watts
That is BS. 6GB of vram alone wouldn’t allow you to run 1080p with good frames on actual games. On Minecraft? Sure, on an actual game like fortnite or forza, nah