Why These EuroLeague Stars Regret Joining The NBA
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Vasilije Micic and Sasha Vezenkov were MVPs of the EuroLeague, but they have struggled so far in the NBA. Sasha Vezenkov isn’t getting many minutes with the Sacramento Kings, and he isn't playing as well as he did with Olympiakos. Sasha Vezenkov was a perfect fit for the Kings offense alongside Sabonis and DeAaron Fox so it makes no sense why he isn't playing more.
Vasilije Micic is playing even less, he was a 2 time MVP at Anadolu Efes and he finally decided to join the NBA at 30 years old. The OKC Thunder were one of the NBAs best teams, but Vasilije Micic wasn't getting any playing time. And he was just traded to the Charlotte Hornets in a deal centered around Gordon Hayward, who now plays for the OKC Thunder. With the Hornets, Vasilije Micic will probably get more playing time, as the backup point guard for LaMelo Ball. But the lack of respect and playing time that these two European stars have recieved, is exactly why so many EuroLeague stars don't come to the NBA.
0:00 Sasha Vezenkov
9:36 Vasilije Micic
16:38 Conclusion
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It’s very fun when you finally finish editing a video and the player gets traded 😂
Pray for Micic in the 704
Stop hating on the hornets. He said he needs more minutes. He’s gonna get a lot more of them in Charlotte
I'm hoping him, Mann and Curry show out
Y'all love over hyping these players who come out of Europe. A MVP in Europe ain't the same level as a NBA mvp
Answer is +/- data on Sasha Vezenkov is worse then on Trea Lyles
Hi, nice video. Where are you from exactly by the way? I can't tell all the UK accents 😅
First Hornets game for Micic: 18 pts 9 ast 8-12 and 2-3 from 3:) Love him already:)
...and a loss?
@@darrengordon-hillthey literally won tho
and showtime kind of game....
@@darrengordon-hill They won by 9. You don’t even watch basketball do you? 😂
@@yfbdraco
Didn't watch THAT game....
But sure, I've never even seen a basketball...
Micic going to the Hornets should help with his usage but even in his minutes with the Thunder, there were flashes of that euroleague MVP. If nothing else, between him, Tre Mann, Melo and Brandon Miller, the Hornets should be fun to watch
Man, it would have been nice if Vezenkov was traded Hornets. It would have been nice to see how 3 Euro guys would play together against NBA players.
Micic was 29 when he came in, Luka was 19. Building around an unknown player who is 29 is like operating a pyramid scheme.
unknown? mate u can watch every single game he played and every single minute for the last 10 years and u even have a lot of euroleague players that have transitioned to the nba to compare to this guy (specifically a german dude naked dirk who became the best stretch 4 of all time) and rebounding so i think saying that a dude that literally was the easiest guy to scout ever and then u look at the teams that have no shooting and u think wtf are they doing not signing this mf?
@@juliusraw he's Unknown to the NBA,stop comparing every European guy to Dirk. Im a Euroleague fan and i think both Micic and Vezenkov have nobody to blame but themselves.
Should have stayed in Europe or perform good enough to earn their minutes. Don't pretend to know better than the Coaches that see these players everyday
Pyramid scheme is actually a terrible analogy
@@OK-yy6qz so u would disagree with me when i say that indeed theres teams thwt play some players that shouldnt be playing st all snd theres players not on teams that should be in the rotation? NBA teams r faultless?
And “comparing” everyone to dirk is ironic as this is probably the first comment uve ever seen from me and this guy is a shooter a rebounder and not a hof defender … id say thats an alr comparison for someone who watches bball as a hobby and is just doing this for fun
@@juliusraw Obviously NBA teams can make mistakes and have false judgement. You know who also makes mistakes and have false judgement? NBA fans and CZcamsrs and they do it at a much greater percentage. I'd take the Judgement of the previous NBA coach of the Year and the Coach of the 2nd seed in the West over the Judgement of Juliusraw and DKM.
As for the Dirk Comparison yes both Dirk and Sasha can shoot and rebound so can Grant Williams, Dragan Bender, Keegan Murray,Trey Lyles and like 100 other Power forwards since the 2000s. If we add guards and Small forwards that number goes up to like 300
Sasha just needs more minutes. When he plays, he impacts the game on both ends of the court. He's our deadly weapon
He ass
I agree but he can’t play a lick of defense,every pnr he get scored on
@@hoodielou33Sasha is a GOOD defender, not a great defender. He has never been a great defender
He is lousy shooter
@@berobujanovi4331 you are blind
I just think Mike brown doesn’t give him enough playing time, we saw he’s able to be a game changer in the in season tournament vs golden state
He plays matador defense and he can't protect the rim. He needs to take his ass back to Europe
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Play some defense and youll get some play time
He's from Europe, no talent over there
@@TonyJackalonidid you even watch the video at all?
*idk what people expect when vezenkov play 5-10 minutes max and whaaat in this minute to score triple double or something give him 20+ minutes and lets see what happens*
He has had his chances. And when he gets minutes his defense is mediocre. And he doesn’t board.
16 minutes vs Nugz. No boards.
18 minutes vs Suns. 2 boards.
21 minutes vs Pels. 2 boards.
Minutes are earned. If he were worthy of more minutes then that would mean giving him more minutes would be to benefit of the team. His performances in the minutes that he’s been given haven’t warranted him increased time on the court. That could change over time of course as he has been recently dealing with an ankle injury.
More efficiency in those minutes and league average defense
I'm happy that Micic got traded to the Hornets because he can play as our backup PG. He should be able to find good looks for our bench. The sad part is that the Hornets organization is bad. Hit or miss if we utilize him well or not
He’ll be rotting on the bench. Tre Mann is younger and will get those new minutes.
Euros have a 15% hit rate in the NBA. They won’t risk giving an older Micic minutes.
@kibskibs498 Micic is impactful player, not only in scorring, if coaches understand BB, they will give him a chance.
@@nikolayjerev9285the Hornets are rebuilding and politics are real. Trust me I’m not against him, just can’t ignore these massive blockers against him.
@@kibskibs498yea grandpa micic pls expert 😂dont
@@kibskibs498they been rebuilding since they joined the league. I think maybe they should play the vets try something new for once in 2 decades.
I have no idea why micic would come over 10 years later definitely should of stayed in Europe at this point
can be money mby
I'd say Money,and more importantly an insane upside (especially financially).
Micic had one of the Largest Contracts in Euroleague History: 3 years 16 Million.
His NBA contract is: 3 years 23 million.
He was unlikely to get a contract equally large in Euroleague if he performs well he can be looking at 20M+ a year.
Granted Euroleague salaries are in Europe and pre-taxes so the NBA equivalent would be quite higher. But still this was an unusually large contract for Euroleague
standards. Meanwhile NBA teams are giving Mid to high level contracts like Candy
He's fat and happy on the bench, where he belongs I might add
I just dropped a video on why Bronny isn’t NBA ready any feedback / support would be appreciated.
AGREED. He was balling in Europe,an established star there too.
They don't get minutes/high usage. NBA coaches don't trust them. It's a sad reality.
no its just they are not as good as americans thats just the reality.
His value as a role player is greatly diminished by his lack of defense. If he was a primary scorer on a team, his defense wouldn't be such a big issue.
@@TonyJackaloni Fox literally said he was one of the best shooters ever, the coach does not use him enough. You know they're legit when Jokic is trying to get them signed
@@TheBuffaloFlats Can I report a comment for being useless?
@@TonyJackaloni no man, you can’t report your own comments
Coming to the NBA past their peak works great even if they don't get much PT. Front row seats, free travel, little work, green card, women to pick from in hotel lobbies on road trips, NYC, Miami, LA parties. All for 10 min of play every 4th game. Can't beat that.
These european players already had these things in Europe,most were stars there,more famous too. Most pro ball player have huge egos and want the ball in their hands as much as possible. Kobe comes to mind right now,ultimate ball hogger.
@@user-be7tc2bd6eKobe was a shooting guard who averaged almost 5 assists per game. He was in an offense geared to optimize his scoring opportunities and his ability to create for his teammates. He often went into hero mode but he was also a willing passer.
@@cycleoflife565 Phil Jackson got on Kobe a lot about passing the ball-OFTEN. Phil even got on MJ in their first championship run against the Lakers ( you could hear Phil saying ) Michael who's open ??? MJ: Paxson. Phil said it 2/3 times in their huddle.Heard it often in the Laker's huddles during time outs,Phil said we need to get into a more passing game ( directed towards-KOBE-he couldn't call him out by name,because drama-man would pout like a little kid,then not shoot at all. LOL. Baby sitting grown &&& men.
Guy came to play he didn't come to f your wife. He is professional that looked to prove himself in the NBA league.
@@user-be7tc2bd6e The not-shooting reference happened once and can’t be used as the norm.
Gotta give you props, this was a great video. As a Kings fan you know your stuff.
I believe Sasha will improve greatly next year, and given our inconsistent performance I expect him to have an opportunity this offseason again to be a contributor.
"he never needed the bal to score" is a VRERY strange stsatement
I think he meant that Venzenkov doesn't need the ball to create his own shot like many of the elite scorers in the league. That he can score by simply being in the right position for a teammate to feed him the ball.
But, yeah, I would've worded that differently. 😂
Maybe if you are new to basketball.
But no, Russell Westbrook needs the ball to score, where Stephen Curry doesn't.
The amount of points you'll get with 40 seconds of ball possession from Curry, who is a killer off-ball, has nothing to do with the amount of points you'll get from Russ, who is terrible off-ball but excellent on-ball.
A billionaire isn’t going to risk $ on a veteran who isn’t getting younger. Better to go young as the NBA does especially the way it’s played in states as opposed to Europe. Easy to hand the keys to Luka vs the other two when age is the factor and from an investor POV they’ll look at him and think how good he will be later on vs. he’s 30 and this is his max..
I just dropped a video on why Bronny isn’t NBA ready any feedback / support would be appreciated.
This. Which DKM even mentioned himself then completely disregarded 10 seconds later, even if you bring a 28yo EuroMVP on board into your team realistically it take all time greats 4-8 years to win their first chip, makes it a lot harder to invest in that 28-30yo Euro player when you take that into consideration as well
First problem is that Euroleague stars often land in teams which already have their best player (or franchise player NBA speaking) who is dominating the ball and score usage. Vezenkov had that bad luck to land in the team which has one of the best guards in NBA along with very good PF/C and yet there is no room for him. Add to this the fact that other players are fighting for their minutes and ball touches and scoring because their future contracts are depending because of their production. Few years ago, Nemanja Bjelica signed with Timberwolves which were very awful team back then and in that moment they had KAT, Wiggins and LaVine as their future stars and they were fighting for ball between them.
Second, coming to NBA as a experienced player (Micic came when he was 29, Bjelica 27, Teodosic 30, Vezenkov 28) is not good. If Euroleague star doesn't come in NBA by age 24,25, he is pretty much doomed. Bogdanovic came at age 24 I think and he is right now very good 6th man. Just look Doncic who was 19, Jokic 20 and they had room to grow and make mistakes while experienced players coming to NBA don't have that kind of privilege because it is expected from them to adjust to NBA quick.
Gilbert said it best make the best of your minutes and your opportunity will come. And though older these two are rookies who were signed not drafted by these teams...
Great video. I was just thinking the same thing. These dudes are ballers and they deserve a fair chance with minutes. Even contenders should be dying to trade for these guys. Like lost diamonds sitting on the bench
great video,really enjoy it
Using that pic of giddey is wild lmfao
I think it’s just safe to say Luka and jokic ain’t your average European
Thank You!
Did you skip watching the video? Vezenkov and Micic are on par with Luka and Jokic.
@@realtalk6195 In the Euroleague, arguably, yes. But in the NBA, they are not even close.
@@realtalk6195 give me jokic and luka anyday
@@realtalk6195In what world would you say they are top 10 players in the NBA?
The luka analogy is a great point. The reality is that it doesn’t make sense to give minutes to a past-his-prime 30-year-old.
Bro, prime basketball age is 28-32
Vezenkov has been getting more run recently but his been hit with a few untimely ankle injuries. I believe he’ll be a regular in the rotation soon. His talent is clear to see.
Great analysis, I’ll be following this channel. It’s really hard to argue that either one of these players deserves more playing time, given the big leaps and greater success of the Kings and Thunder this year with younger lineups. (Forgive me for referring to them as Players 1 & 2, checking the right name is hard when commenting on my phone)
I also think it’s a bit of a stretch to compare Player 1’s equal/superior FIBA tournament performance with Jokic, Giannis, etc and kind of place him on their level. It’s a very small sample size to go off of and you then actually prove that this sample doesn’t really show Player 1 is in their category.
I also wish you would have discussed this question more: what would have happened if Player 1 or 2 would have come to the NBA as a Rookie? Especially Player 2 who was drafted and didn’t come. Luka is a rare breed, but maybe they could have had a similar path to D. Sabonis or Jokic, where they show early promise and evolve into a top NBA player over 4-5 years. I’m thinking about Coulibaly. Yes, he was drafted high and so there’s more incentive to come and play immediately since you’ll make a ton of money and the team is committed to playing you a lot of minutes early. But Bilal is earning minutes and turning heads as a rookie while getting the NBA “training” you need for your game to flower BEFORE you reach your athletic prime. Coming in at 30 yrs old like Player 2, I think it’s fair for teams to expect immediate results. You’re experienced, a champion, an MVP, so you don’t have the same runway to get your game going as a younger, less experienced player.
Anyway, I enjoyed this serious take on this topic and the depth of knowledge shown on both the NBA and Euroleague.
Just a heads up mate. Im sitting courtside to see Alex Sarr next week.
I will try and get you some footage.
Kings actually doesn't need him because they are already have Monk. Vezenkov should go to a team that can utilize him like Bertans or current Porzingis. Wolves probably a good option since most of their players are good shot creator and can create space and chance for Vezenkov as well.
You know it bro! Vezenkov playing for the wolves is my dream! :D
He would become a fan favorite if he played for the lakers
I’m happy Micic is at Charlotte, he can get a chance here and I’m defo tryna get involved if you lot are running 2K
I think they'll both be good role players later on, just give them time. The way Vezenkov plays basically can fit in any team, just need some chemistry building and experience.
Why did you delete your Big Baller Brand/Alan Foster videos?
I would love for one of these guys to come over here in their prime and get their own team. So we can finally end this debate
What debate? Cause plenty of highly touted euro players have come over when they were young and flopped
The reality is that the European players who have what it takes, do not have a problem getting minutes. Most of these guys are not good enough to be feature players in the NBA and they are not used to being role players so it's a bad fit.
We keep losing basketball in the Olympics to Euroleage teams. Luca and Jokic both say it's easier to score. They just don't have the chemistry, they are probably better than most NBA players
@@TheBuffaloFlats What? Euroleague teams do not play in the Olympics. The Olympics is for national teams only and the US hasn't lost in the Olympics since 2004. The NBA is higher scoring sure, but that doesn't mean anything since ANY player will score more points in the NBA per minute than they do in Europe. It's down to the rules and the style of play. The NBA is still BY FAR the best basketball league on Earth.
@@sandman1347 yes, but European players from the Euro league play for their respective countires in the Olympics. We didn't even medal in 2020. We have a lot of talent and still lose to a handful of teams in the Olympics. Many (not all) of the best current NBA players played Euro league first. Giannis, Luca, Jokic, Wemby. The Euroleage is much better at building up and teaching fundamental skills that the modern NBA does not really teach anymore. That's why all of the "unathletic" Euro leage players drop crazy points all the time. Luca. Giannis, and Jokic says the NBA is so much easier. I think the NBA is only slightly better than the Euroleage as of now. In the next decade or so the Euroleage will have the best talent once more players are incentivized to play in the Euroleage. Basketball is becoming more and more popular in Europe, and that just means more talent for them to grow. I do agree the NBA is better now, but not really by that much. Sooner or later (unless the NBA expands it's popularity into Europe) the Euroleage will become the best.
@@TheBuffaloFlats The only thing that needs to change is the way that the US develops talent. The system of going from high school to college to the pros cannot possibly compete with a system of having professional teams involved in the development of young talent from the time the players are 15/16 like you have in Europe. Once that changes the gap may open back up again.
Ultimately, Europe is benefiting right now from having the best development system, not the best talent. I don't think the Euroleague is particularly close to the NBA. I think any NBA player could play in that league but only about 10-12% of Euroleague players could make it in the NBA.
@@TheBuffaloFlats the Euroleague will not become the best. not soon and not later probably. Euroleague doesnt have financial capacity to be best. Best European prospects like Wembi, Sengun and others still going to NBA to play as they wouldnt earn half of what they earn in the NBA here in Europe. same for MVP veterans like Micic and Vezenkov. Basketball still not much popular in Europe to produce big money and make Euroleague compete with the NBA
140K views, amazing. good for you
Keegan Murray the guy that will look like an all star one game and then shoot under 20% 2 games :D
His 3 ball regression is really something. He is down to 35%.
Good video, clickbait title though lol. It's really just a good analysis of current Euroleague MVPs in the NBA. One question though, is there a difference between Luka (or someone like KP) and these two guys in the video that was apparent early on while still in Europe? There must have been, because Luka and KP were high draft picks (Luka should have been 1 so there was still bias there, KP would probably be 3rd pick in a redraft)
Charlotte has min’s so he could use that opportunity to show his skill. I hope he gets his spark and helps us
Always gonna be tough for Euroleague guys who are as old as those two guys to break in. Teams that are have been contending like the Kings now don't want to give them too much time because they're gonna be focusing on the core that they think will help them win, not a guy who's accomplishments came under very different rules/playstyle. Teams that are tanking aren't gonna want to give too many minutes to a guy who's 30 because he doesn't fit into their timeline, and they could use those minutes to try to develop a diamond-in-the-rough that's a decade younger.
Did the Katar video got you in trouble or what
It’s as simple as this, be a star on an average foreign team, or be average or worse on an elite nba team. Unless your just an absolute baller like Luka or joker.
the Thunder we’re doing good with Micic, his minutes were great and he was doing his role, sucks to see him go but he will be better somewhere else
Why would they give the keys to old vets who are at their peak are the same as pre-rookie year luka? It just doesn't make sense at all they dont have much room to grow.
Who is telling you the keys for the franchise? A lot of coaches are unable to acknowledge White players, mainly black coaches.
no worries bro, now we know you like lukas we'll be sending them like that...
Because they are slow
luka slow? joker... or even slower? or is it the slower the better..?
it's infront your eyes, but... some people like acting like they don't know, or.. they just never cared to learn, just killing time spreading opinions..!!?
if you're in a win now mode... who would you choose the 18yr mvp or the 28? me i would take the 28 every day, not to give him the keys, to help me win... those guy have value man as long as you know how to use them and if you're sure you can use them (that last one goes for the kings...?!!)
it’s so hard to get mins on the thunder if ur not shooting extremely efficiently
I'm afraid NBA is just entire level above EL. Plus playing styles are different enough to expect instant adjustments
Luka disagrees
@@TMPOUZILuka is not the same as other euro players…You don’t realize that it’s a handful of the best in the world saying it’s easier in the nba but all the other euro guys struggle. Jokic, Luka, Giannis, etc would dominate wherever they play. Can’t say the same about other euro players
@@TMPOUZILuka can say what he wants.
Washed or never were kill in the Euroleague.
I think it's the same situation as the old "would never make it in the Premier League" argument - it's a real culture shock in a whole host of ways and as you say, the risk is absolutely never going to be worth taking for anyone, even if they're tanking
The NBA has a hierarchy:
1) Franchise player/players aka your stars
2) Long stay borderline all-stars
3) Promising rookies
4) Free Agents
5) G League talent
The thing is that Luka and Victor have age on their sides, but also space to grow where you draft needs for your team. The problem is that a 30 yr old "rookie" is more like a 30 yr old "free agent". This is talent brought in to fill out the bench squad (the 5 guys outside of the starters), but are promised a starting role if they "play good enough". They're not starting. They have to do something otherworldly to impress management, coaches, and influence a change of chemistry on the team, and that's if coaching and management doesn't change hands while they're there.
I don't know the best way for european talent to break through without being a draft prospect yet. The best case scenario is finding a team teetering on competing and in desperate need of a starter still. Maybe being traded to an awful team can also get them the playing time they need to get noticed or turn that team around.
The best "blueprint" right now is probably the Lauri example. Look at someone who was drafted really high, but was thought of as this shooting specialist on a deep team. It wasn't until he was traded to a team in need a star after losing their own that he exploded and became an all-star. Now, the Jazz aren't competing for a championship yet, but at least Lauri lengthened his career.
The only other blueprint I can think of is Jokic, but he was still young when he broke through. He did have to outplay a potential star is Nurkic to get to where he is now, but that journey took a new coach, a number of high level players around, so much so that some of them needed to be traded away, and 8 years of playing to get a championship. These guys don't have 8 years.
So, my best bet is finding a team, in need of scoring and a forward, on a team in need of star power that doesn't have that much money available to spend. Also finding a euro friendly system would also help. Teams like the Spurs, Nuggets, Mavericks with good systems or teams like the Kings (sorry Barnes) or Warriors (sorry Wiggins) in need of more forward talent. Then you have the best options with teams like the Cavs, Hawks, Wolves, and Rockets who are trying to win now, but need another piece to push them over other more favored teams.
A lot of it is just luck of fit and I hope Euroleague finds a better pipeline than free agency to demonstrate their talent to the league.
DKM backk!
Start Sasha over Huerter. He’s had some good games but I’d rather him not start to give others a chance
Sasha VeZenkov, not VeJenkov need to switch the team, just like Vasilije Micić!
If Vezenkov come to play for the Hornets along with Micić, the Hornets would reach the playoffs!
😂😂 sure
@@pwho405 What’s so funny? The Hornets with Micić defeated Indiana by 9 points last night, 2nd win in a row! The Hornets lost 10 in a row before the trades. Just imagine how strong they will become if Sasha Vezenkov join them :D
@@BeerAndJointsAllDay ain’t gonna happen we don’t want the euro league we want the NBA sorry but we like playground ball with overpowered athletic players. Your Hopes and wishes don’t mean jack.
Give Sasha more minutes!!! I love trey and Barnes ‘can’ put big numbers any given night but Sasha plays great “team” defense. And he’s an amazing shooter. I’ve seen way too many plays where fox or sabonis don’t pass it to Sasha. It’s frustrating.
Yeah that's NBA, they try to create stars out of them to sell tickets, but what about the team? Are the Kings ever gonna win anything as a team?
@@TMPOUZIAs if not giving Vezenkov more minutes will be the cause of their downfall.
The Hornets could end up being a blessing in disguise for him. Ball gets hurt a lot plus they got rid of Terry Rozier. So he could get some minutes and an opportunity for some volume shooting which is what you need for a true chance to show out.
Dear Micic come to back your team Efes... Fans are missing you. Best.
Yeah man, Olympiacos miss Vezenokov just as much…
Age, potential and measurables are everything in the NBA. Also the common theme with Doncic, Giannis and Jokic is they’re triple double machines. If Vezenkov was shooting like he does, dishing out dimes and grabbing boards he would’ve cracked the Kings starting lineup by mid-season.
As much as I like giddey, I would of loved to see micic to alternate with him in the starting 5. With the way all the ways other teams are switching their play styles against okc, it would be good to see them change their play style to match.
Euro league is a great league. Its metrics and style of play is still inferior to the NBA. The margin is growing smaller tho. Being euro league mvp, scoring champ guarantees you get a two way deal atleast.
Style of play in Euroleague is arguably superior to the NBA, because the rules don't massively favour offense over defense. So the game is more balanced. Also, there's more tactics utilized and less hero ball/ iso, which has led to the NBA looking like a glorified pickup game at the local gym.
When Popovich decided to use European tactics in the NBA, they literally called it 'The beautiful game', that happened for a reason.
@@nickklavdianos5136What are you yapping about 😂. There aren’t any less of “tactics” utilised in the NBA, it’s just our players are far more skilled than your sloppy losers that we can run ISO and handle the ball well in plays.
"This Is Why EuroLeague Stars Hate The NBA"
I'm still waiting for the answer.
Look at the ex NBA player playing in the euro league right now
4:02 so him getting a help side deflection type block on Steph proves that he can guard him?? Luffy wouldn’t even reach that far..
I just dropped a video on why Bronny isn’t NBA ready any feedback / support would be appreciated.
@@BostonTalks I watched it and I commented
Yeah if there's anything worse than European basketball inferiority complex, it's inferiority complex in major denial.
He’s the Curry stopper
How do you figure they're as good as Giannis and Jokic? Based off their time in Europe? That was a decade ago, and even when they did come over to the NBA they were not the dominant stars that they are today not even close.
Eurobasket was last year..
Giannis and Jokic never played in European high level competition, but we've seen them fail with Fiba rules over and over again
@@clan_o No, they didn't have trash around them. Serbia with same players ended 2nd in last WC and Greece was a favorite in the last Euro Cup when Giannis played, but Germany beat them in pre-semis. They just couldn't make a big difference with Fiba rules. Both Giannis and Jokic were very well known prospects before the NBA. They played in national teams U19. The scouters couldn't do anything to keep them in Europe
eurobasket was in 2022...
Also have to consider fit and chemistry. A 30 year old Serbian that’s never spent any time in the USA might not gel with a bunch of 25/under Americans. Age difference, cultural difference, language barrier, game differences. That’s a lot to overcome
And something it hasn't been mentioned it's level of competition. It's not realistic to expect a Euro player, no matter how good he was, to produce at the same level he did overseas when he's facing players that are in average bigger, faster and more athletic than their Euro counterparts. You need to be someone with previous experience with American basketball, even if it was at the college level or the G League, or an absolute freak of nature like Jokic, Luka or Giannis (and those don't come off everyday)
@@franciscoduran4618 How Luka is a freak of nature? He just a good euro player who got the trust and time needed right from the start. Vezenkov is a real mvp as Luka was back in Europe. I'd argue Vezenkov left a bigger mark in EL as well with his playing style, he shaped new plays in this league that other teams now immitate. It's all about what nba team you gonna end up and who has the worse coach over there
It’s the difference in the size of the court, nba is so much bigger which favors athleticism over skill
If you're American when you go in the bathroom, and you're American when you come out of the bathroom, what are you while you're in the bathroom?
"EUROPEAN"
Not every Euro player is Luka, and you can't compare cherry-picked stats and say he was better than these players. That is the dumbest shit NBA CZcamsrs do. He is Euro Klay
It takes time to adjust. gameplan is different, pacing is different, culture is different.. Would not be surprised if he's averaging 20 a game in a year or 2.
He needs to go to the WARRIORS!!
HELL NO ahahahaha
You will see the absolute best of Micić in Charlotte
Shooting drills aren’t the same as shooting during a game.
Also being 1st Team All Euroleague isn’t automatically transferable to NBA success.
Mike James is mentioned in the video as having one of the better “bags” in the Euro League. He lasted two seasons in the NBA. Jokic, Luka, Sabonis and Giannis are not the norm. They are the exception.
If we are to believe all of the hype from some Euro League fans that claim it is better than the NBA, then their most recent mvp, Vezenkov, at age 28, should be experienced enough to assimilate into the NBA and thrive, as he represents the best of that league. He has earned 12 minutes a game at age 28 and can’t seem to beat out a second year player who is 5 years his junior.
17:45 no shi this is not rocket science😂😂😂
Sasha needs more time and I’m annoyed he is not getting it. I keep telling my self he is gonna use him as a secret weapon come playoffs. No one will know how to deal with him because they haven’t seen him play…….🤔
The Bulls didn't play Lauri Markkanen enough even though he showed flashes of brilliance. They wanted him to be more of a spot up shooter. So they didn't resign him. Utah gave him more playing time and responsibilities and he flourished
The kings plan on using Sasha more in the second half of the season. I heard this from the coaching staff in a recent interview.
Being traded to the Hornets was good for him. He was never going to get play time on the Thunder. I enjoyed watch when he was on the court in okc.
Vezenkov's case is difficult to dosicuss because there are lots of inconsistencies in the rotation. Micic i think got bored in Europe after winning everything couple of timesand wanted a change of scenery even though he knew he would be deep bench. Vezenkov has 2 or 3 good games in a row and suddenly next five he is DNP. Imo there are inside things , politics and favoritism which play a big part in Vezenkov's minutes. He is not a starter level for high-level teams in NBA for now but for sure is a back-up . I dont think the fit is there too. Its surprising why SAC put so much effort to recruit and convince him to come over and then suddently he is out of the rotation in consequitive games. There is something behind the scenes happening. He can shoot higher 3pt % if he is not shooting it sometimes in the last seconds with a hand in his face.
i very much agree with everything your saying........he will be used more probably next year
The 2 biggest issues both players seem to have are Defense and most importantly speed/athleticism.
Defense is a big enough issue as of itself (by the way what happened to the NBA has no defence argument? How come Euroleague players regularly go to NBA and get exposed defensively?) But the biggest issue is that Sasha doesn't seem to be strong or fast enough to get into his spots consistently. When your whole game relies on Catch and shoot it can be the difference between being a Star,a role player or a bench warmer.
I agree the Playoffs will make or break his NBA career at this point. The pacing slows down significantly and he'll either struggle and thus get cut from the rotation entirely or he will benefit from the slower pacing and have his chance to make an impact
The Euroleague needs a different skillset than the NBA on defense. It is harder to score in the euroleague than in the nba. What is missing for the euroleague players on defense is speed and athleticism. You could see Team Usa in fiba was faster than everyone else, but they were caught sleeping on defense all the time which can´t happen. In the NBA you can´t really play defense but you still need to try to do it otherwise the shots are far too easy.
@@zirbto5749The nba plays better defense.
Judging anything off FIBA is dumb. We don’t care about it. Europe sends its best. We don’t.
@@jamespohl-md2eq banchero haliburton brunson edwards jjj are mostly playing in the Allstar Game. They are maybe not the best of the best but jokic Giannis also didn't play.
@@jamespohl-md2eq they could but travelling and charges need to be called for that. Also defensive 3s would need to be removed. Also flopping is rewarded with freethrows.
@@zirbto5749You just listed, for the most part young players who have maybe 1 all star game.
Mikal Bridges is a decent player. No all star.
Josh Hart. Primarily a bench player.
Ingram. 1 all star. Ask any Pels fan about how disappointing he is. But he is a nice forward.
Cam Johnson. Until last year was a bench player.
Kessler. Was a rookie. And is a bench player this year.
Bobby Portis. Career was on the ropes before reviving w Bucks (bucks are my team). Not a starter. And at best a mediocre defender. Hasn’t even won 6th man of the year.
Austin Reaves. No all star. Had played two seasons. Only one was decent.
Compare that team to an Olympic team.
I’m not saying it is right, but FIBA just isn’t viewed the same way the Olympics are. For Euros it’s a big deal. Bragging rights. For us, it’s an audition for players that might be on the Olympic team.
Put him on the heat and he is a all star easily
If Micic helps the Hornets go on a historic winning streak from now (3 in a row) till the end of the season they'll be 41-41 and more than likely playoff bound which my sources says is at least possible given the vastness of the universe...
He's getting minutes and being spoken about beyond respectfully with all Euro accolades and veteran status mentioned. He's welcome in Charlotte considering he replaced ISH FUCKING SMITH who should be coaching and not making it to the trade deadline getting 15-20 mins before being cut. If Melo's ankles continue to ankle then he'll have a full highlight real by season's end on why he should have gotten minutes regardless of OKC's record.
Bro you should be an NBA Scout
#1 reason is age. Hes 28 and if he's not producing at a very high level right now - nobody will waste their time with him.
The issue is the euroleague stars come over in their late 20’s early 30’s at their max potential theres nothing else that can be developed. Sure you can say they dont get playing time but they’re are younger better players who they can develop for the long term
Hope he’s in the 3pt contest
I can definitely see Sasha going off in the playoffs
Vezenkov would be a perfect fit for the Lakers. They need 3pt shooters and forwards spacing the floor. He is not a worse defender than their other PFs (Rui, Prince,) and is MUCH better in terms of scoring and spacing. He is super cheap as well.
Other good options for him are the Bulls - they now have zero healthy PFs, and even when P.Will is back Vezenkov would be a more than capable backup, in a team which is in the bottom 3rd in 3p%.
The third best option for him is the Nuggets as a backup for AG. He would fit perfectly in their system and am sure will have an amazing understanding with Jokic.
Anything to say about Bouknight getting waived 😂😂😂 gave him all that NBA run and not gello smh im still pissed for gello
They going to really hate them when they get shredded in the Olympics
Sasha needs to get more minutes, Keegan hasn’t been hitting 3s like last year we really need someone to spark something I think after the all star break he’s gonna get more minutes.
I remember Sasha from when he played for the team I support (Aris Thessaloniki), when he was 20 years old. The guy is a really hard worker.
American players have a hard time in Europe during their first season, until they get acclimated, and my guess is that the same goes for European players moving to the NBA. Sasha needs time.
I believe it's all about marketability. Creating a brand out of the player is what the league and teams care for. And you cannot create a brand out of 30 years old foreigner who does not seemlessly fit into the culture. That's why Luka was given the chance. Luka is young, brash, charismatic and a tad bit arrogant. He is no less American star than most American stars. Micic and Vezenkov are not cut out for that. That's why Jokic was so clearly rejected for numerous years until he and his team made his case undeniable.
All of the players we watch in the Euroleague and the NBA are unbelievable athletes and minds and the gap between the best and the middle of the road is not that far at all. Under the right circumstances most if not all of them could shine. And under the wrong circumstances all of them could look mediocre. Imagine if Wesbrook went into Europe and got assigned a 3&D role because that's what his team needed and because he's shown good prospects on defence. He might've adapted at some point but it would have taken years. Would have he had the patience? I don't know? Would have he gotten to his full potential? Like hell he would.
But after all, it's not necessarily the job of a NBA team to win games, its job is to win money. And marketable superstars is what brings in the money.
Lifelong Kings fan living in Sacramento. Great Video! Worth a mention that Fox and Lyles played in the same college system.
I think my only critique would be that a statistical analysis doesn’t tell the full Trey Lyles story. Dude is a stud. Always in the right place, and is an underrated enforcer. He is legit unafraid. I feel more comfortable when he is on the court than Sasha. But I will admit… when Sasha is on the court he can be pretty fun to watch.
Micic game ONE with Charlotte dropped 18 points on 8/13 shooting. Given how injury prone the Ball brothers seem to be, I think he will have plenty of opportunities if he stays in Charlotte
Vezenkov needs to go somewhere where he is really needed. The Kings don't need him, they have people who fill that role. But put him somewhere that needs that floor spacing, somewhere like the Lakers or even my Spurs, and give him some 20 minute games to prove himself over 5-10 games, and I think he proves himself.
Sasha should get more minutes 15+ per, he has high ball iQ and great hands. He’s always in the right spot for a rebound, blk and steal/deflections. Mike Brown gotta him more minutes! He always pulls too with no hesitation.
They could trade him if they don’t believe in him. Nobody can be a great player with 5-10 minutes per game.
Should have gone to the Wolves, solid defensive team that needs more spacing and ball movement. However, no one predicted them to be this good.
At this point is more about playing style. If you can't play 1vs1 offense and create your own points you are done in the NBA. That is why Euroleage point guards like Micic have no business there, he is a great playmaker but in the NBA plays are mostly 1vs1 or pick and roll... Also players like Vezenkov, heavily dependant on teamwork end up relegated to shooters ( if they can shoot)😅
Confidence is the answer
Instead of helping his country winning the finals, he was more interested in horse racing 💀 ladies and gentlemen the Joker Jokic 🤣
Sasha will be better next year
There was a team which actually gave an older Euroleague MVP enough minutes to prove himself and the man not only become a NBA champion but is now a HOF. MANU GINOBILIIII!! (To be Read with Barkley's voice lol)
I would like to see him on the Spurs
Sasha needs more minutes, for real. His off the ball movement is very good, but he shouldn't play starter, Keegan and Barnes are just better. The Micic situation is Micic not being good enough/having to adjust to a different playstyle. He can't have the ball in his hands like that when Shai and Giddey are his teammates. But I don't think he NEEDS the ball in his ends, he has a good enough skillset to be a good off-ball player in the league.
@@clan_o be a good role player, I guess. Sasha is talented but was only MVP because he was in the ideal situation. Was he in any other team in the Euroleague he wouldn't be an MVP. Of course, he would still be a starter on any team in the Euroleague.
That's what I've been saying about Sasha. They need to give him more minutes
The fact that Mike James is one of the best guards in the Euroleague says volumes about the difference. Guys like Shane Larkin and Facundo Campazzo are some of the top players... guys who stunk it up in the NBA. The difference in athleticism between the NBA and Euroleague is why he's considered a specialist. He can get exploited too easily on D.
The guy could start over Giddy
a trade will be good for these euro league mvp's drazen has his breakout season after he was traded with the nets. If drazen finishes his career nba will be treating euro players differently