Shannon Sharpe & Dan Orlovsky DISAGREE over Mac Jones 🍿 | First Take
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2023
- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Shannon Sharpe and Dan Orlovsky discuss whether Mac Jones is being overly criticized with the New England Patriots.
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“If you check your ego at the door, you might go back and get it on the lunch break” 😂😂😂 I’m dead. Shannon Sharpe is unmatched when it comes to one liners
Gold😂😂😂😂
That line was cold. That's that down south wisdom lol
It wasn’t related to topic at hand tho.. what does a WR having an ego have to do with HIS unfair criticism of Mac Jones? None, he just went off on a random tangent. He actually proved Stephen A and D.O.’s point.
He had me confused for a minute on that one lol
@@kxd2735he is talking about New England lol 😂
I don’t like when Shannon not in studio it’s nowhere the same
Stephan a Smith is in LA today too
He has been unfairly handled, but fairly criticized. You are critiqued for your play...his play has sucked. However the Pats have mishandled him.
Exactly right. I would go further on this one, he wasn't mishandled, anything that happened past the calendar year 2021 was close to sabotaging him.
Agreed.
You can’t separate the two though. Saying his play is bad means nothing when your team has nothing.
@acktreptow nah not true. His team sucks true but his reads are also really bad. I watched a video by Bret kollmon that can break it down much better thrn I can. But his video I agree with when his players do get open which granted isn't much but when they do he is making horrible reads and terrible decisions.
2 things are true maybe even 3 here
His coaching and play calling have been bad
His weapons and support are bad
He is playing bad and missing reads when things are called right and people do get open.
I agree 👍🏿
Dan face was priceless when unc responded 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
They criticized Mac Jones because he's not Tom Brady.
Or because he isn’t a good player.
lmao every player gets criticized bro that's sports and sports talk shows
We criticize him bcuz he kinda sucks
how was carrs brother in Houston w that o line 💀💀😭casual fans everywhere even Ne
@@theto-iii7590finally has better than the 32nd pass protection Win rate rating in the league😂 and a right tackle for Once
Shannon: "Mac Jones has been playing bad this year"
Dan: 😯😯😯
I see both sides. Mac definitely hasnt had the talent around him but that doesnt excuse some of the terrible throws he makes
Y'all talk about his throws like he's the only quarterback that has a bad throw it's not of a margin that is having a bad throw every play yes he messes up but the media makes it seem like he's the only Quarterback to do those things
The thing is when a qb doesn’t have hood talent around him, he’s gonna try to do too much.
@@renimation8465bro picks are picks fym
@@brandonjackson6323 half is picks were tip balls shut up and watch the games
Bruh that face from Dan Orlovsky when Stephen A agreed with him for once. Priceless😂
Yep he got more excited than my dog gets for his treats
Shannon’s thumbnail picture 😂
right lol
The Bills are the AFC version of the Cowboys 😂😂
Chargers are
@@idkwhattodo127nah the bills are praised as Superbowl contenders way morr often than the chargers
Corny & unoriginal, I remember the bills being in a championship game. I was not alive for a Cowboys championship game so your comparison is bs, there can only be one champion every other team is a fraud according to y’all.
Nah that's the chargers
@AlucardMM this the problem with y'all super fans. Football or week to week. So far, on a weekly basis, the bills are up and down like the cowboys. All the superbowl talk and no superbowl win. That's why they is any given Sunday. I might as well compare y'all to the bears. They also played in a super bowl and lost
I've watched every Patriots game from start to finish. These are my 2 takes:
#1. The offensive line is one of the worst in the league and Mac just doesn't have much time back there.
#2. When Mac does have time to throw, he simply just doesn't have the arm strength to hit those long developing routes and oftentimes goes for the quick easy underneath or checkdowns. So this is not on Bill O'Brien because Mac just doesn't have that arm talent and the offensive line is horrible therefore you have to use a very limited play-calling book.
Offense of line did great yesterday that was the difference
That's about as fair as it gets, Bill has a nasty habit of getting four years out of draft choices and then letting them walk to get compensatory picks its no way he should have let Jacobi go to sign Ju Ju for the same money that was stupid
Definitely don’t have the worst of anything stop it mac just not it
THIS THUMBNAIL IS WILD UNC 😂
As a Pats fan, Multiple things are true here: Yes Mac has been playing sub par and deserves some criticism. Yes, the organization has mishandled his growth with the disaster that was last years coaching staff. Yes, he has no TRUE #1 WR and the O-line with the exception of yesterday has been hot garbage and finally YES, he has seen some unfair criticism from the media and the Pats fan base itself. He's not Patrick Mahomes but he is a helluva lot better than he's been playing recently and he showed it yesterday. He's just got nothing to work with and he's not good enough to overcome the shortcomings of the team. None of those things are mutually exclusive. This Pats team has potential but they have a long, long road ahead of them. They need to seriously bolster that offense.
You sir, UNDERSTAND! I really find nothing wrong with what you said. I ask you though, does the media judge Lamar Jackson or any black QB the same .
W take
Shut up. He has plenty to work with. He needs to be better or move the fkk on.
He’s been playing terrible he sucks
Brady in his final year with the Patriots had the worse receiving core in football. But they still went 12-4, and made playoffs / Winning there division as well.
You missed the point thats TOM BRADY!!!!!!
You comparing Brady to Mac ? Lmao cmon now
Tom Brady and the #1 defense in the league will usually get you to the playoffs.
We had the #1 ranked defense in the nfl that year lol. Our defense is always around top 5 but that season it was the highest ranked defense and it definitely carried us to the playoffs lol
Nah that defense was STOUT and if you watched they were the only team in the playoffs to hold Tennessee and Derrick Henry in check. Also, dude still had both Edelman AND Josh Gordon so he wasn’t playing with trash cans
2:31 dan’s shoulder shake is PURE comedy😂
That thumbnail hahahaha can't wait for tomorrow's episode!!
He has been unfairly criticized and as a Patriots fan its been mostly by our own fan base. I dont care if you want to point out his mistakes. There are plenty of times in which he has made a bad decision trying to do too much. But you cant ignore the multitude of other factors around him whom have absolutely destroyed his mechanics, footwork and confidence. Hard to win games when you are running for your life and your No.1 reciever either cant stay healthy and or cant get open.
Yeah, he needs to kick more players in the nuts
He's pretty bad though and he's not very likeable for the fanbase.
NE is no place for a gentle soul 😂😂😂
I’ve never witnessed sports commentators tripping over themselves defending a third year qb whom seems to be a backup qb at best. It’s tuff following in Brady’s footsteps!!
@davidnewsom2962 that's true but I've never seen a qb with 3 different oc's in his first three years, the worst offensive line in the league and almost 0 talent in the receiving core. As well as an underperforming running game.
@@justinfrias3980stfu 😂😂 Denver and Tampa EASILY have a much worse O line and Denver also has a just as bad if not WORSE receiving core. Mac jones just isn’t a good, starting caliber QB. Enough said, that is what it is. He is a back up QB at best. The kid is not as good as he or his idiotic fan base thinks he is. End of story.
That shoulder shake by Dan! 😂
Patriots fan. Stop with the excuses. Mac has not been unfairly treated at all. He's started every game for 3 seasons. He's 18-20 in that time with 43 TDs, 31 INTs, 14 Fumbles (66% competition). Add that he has awful body language, throws tantrums on the sidelines and has not made a single teammate better. This is absolutely his last year in New England.
PREACH!!!
Right are people calling Minshew great because what he did to the Browns defense yesterday was great. No minshew is a backup for a reason. Mac has 1 good game in 2 years and now he’s great 😂 people are crazy.
I figured we were gonna hit rock bottom at somepoint this year and those last three games must've been it because the Patriots did an outstanding job steering back into the right direction. Granted, we got a long LOOONNNGGG way back to the top to make it back to Brady-Belichick but this is a key step forward. Now onto Miami.
TF why did it cut off there… badass segment gone lol
Brett Kolloman has a great video showing Mac Jones essentially giving up on New England’s offense
Love that suit Uncle sharpe!!
Shannon was 100%. If the coach pulled you on more than one occasion, it is not your year. But you can have good moments. In defense though, I do agree that it’s not all his fault.
Bill said in the presser that he was pulled because it was a lost game and he didn’t want Mac Injured. He said that if he left Mac in and he was injured then the media would have dragged him the same way they dragged him for pulling Mac.
Mac played great against Philly and Miami. Gave them chances to win to start the season then their entire team shat the bed taking bad bad losses. Max has 0 help. Juju has no knee. Devante Parker is so underwhelming. Us patriots fans are relying on Demario Douglas. A 6TH ROUND PICK. BB could’ve drafted AJ brown and deebo but he chose to pick Harry. He’s been so mishandled and so unfairly criticized.
ESPN can you please replace Orlofsky for Jeff Saturday please and thank you
Stephen A: When Matt Patrickcaa!! 😂😂
It's the get Cha ego on ur lunch break fa me!!!😂😂😂
The best receiver he's had was a starting QB in college and never scored 1TD in a Patriots uniform in 4 years. I'm not a huge fan of Mac but let's be serious, they were calling him the next Tom Brady in that system his rookie year and look at the foolishness they put around him.
Unc stephan A got you today over that paisley blue blazer dawg..lol
You may have got away had you not wore a tie...you gud unc..carry on..✊🏿
thumbnail crazy
He's filling the void of Tom Brady. That's pressure at it's finest.
I'm kinda surprised Bill has only had 2 pro bowlers of which he drafted. I'd have thought at least some of his Defensive guys would have made it: J.C. Jackson, Deatrich Wise, Jason McCourty, Jamie Collins, Dont'a Hightower. Damn...We kinda getting snubbed, but lawdy
Bill has had a lot more than 2 pro bowlers he’s drafted…. When is this since?
BEARS WE HAVE THE SAME POSITION NO EXCUSES DAN
Shannon in the thumbnail 🤣🤣🤣
I noticed they did even criticize Josh Allen for losing that game
Day 1 of telling first take to make Shannon THE permanent co host.
Lmao the DISAGREE part being capitalized is hilarious to me idk why
The afc is killing my money man from the bills/betting against jets/ raiders !!! Can’t catch a break with these teams and when did the falcons get so damn good ???!! 😅
Hey dan how many sb rings you got?
😂😆😂😆😂😆😂 you gotta expect this coming a Quarterback that didn’t know how far to step outta the back of the end zone for a safety
They never gave Kirk Cousins excuses like this 😆
Kirk cousins has made 300 million dollars whilst stinking every time he needs to do something in an important game. Also Kirko is 35 Mac is under 25
Mac Jones is a turnover machine he's been that way in the league no matter who the OC was.
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Dan is so happy when Stephen agrees with him lol
Bills chocked
Thank you Dan for finally telling the truth!!
He's been telling the truth about mac for well over a year now
Nobody else gets excuses about they're weapons especially when the QB is supposed to make EVERYONE around him better on Offense
Because everyone else in the league has a least 1 good weapon and you can with when you have the worst offensive line in football
You saw how Pat Mahomes looked like when Kelce was out, right?
@@cameronmcmasterumm I'm a Giants fan our line is prob the worst in the league by far
@@kevinmatthew1050 statistically we are the worst
Uhh yes they do.
If people really believe that Bill Belichick was a fraud and that Tom Brady dragged him to all of those AFC title games and all of the Super Bowls then you would also have to believe that if Matt Jones was a good to great quarterback he would be able to at least drag the team to a 9 or 10 wins season at some point.
Maybe.... just maybe.. it's not that simple
Who's Matt Jones
@k-no058 Google voice texts' interpretation of Mac Jones
Steve is right on
Patriots woes are in GM Bellichick
Please explain how Lamar and Watson have more , I need to know how you come to this conclusion?
Stevenson should start they offense better with him in
I mean Jacoby Brissett did beat the Chiefs once so I'm not too sure that saying that because Mac beat the Bills he's automatically a good QB now
Jacoby Brissett’a decent though, he was doing well with the Browns.
Exactly look what Gardner minshew did yesterday or Tyrod Taylor those dudes at backups. Minshew up up almost 40 on the best defense in football with 4 total TDs.
Have the same energy you all had for Cam Newton. Don’t make excuses for Mac Jones
They never gave Cam true credit & wouldn’t report his rushing stats.
Overall, Cam was better. Julian Is left Cam by himself & only helped in 6 games, total.
He missed 10 games on Cam. Cam inherited a disaster. Cam got treated so wrong. They covered up Mac Jones’s BS!
DO makes a good point but at some point I gotta see something
One caveat to Belichik missing on draft picks. He knew he had Brady. Brady had a defense and that’s all he needed to make the personnel work for him.
Word of the Day: Paisley
Ok to be fair for the pro bowl thing, most winning teams around playoff time aren’t going to let their players play in that sorry game
D.O just gave Matt Jones EVERY excuse, that he said Daniel Jones should be able to out do? Hypocrite 🤔
The oline is bad but at least he has Barkley, Hyatt, Waller and etc
@@PraiseGod.FearMe That’s this year, however the oline hasn’t granted us an opportunity to used it (2nd most sacks in the league)…. But as to my statement Mac/Jones have had Joe Judge leading both of them, different systems back to back, DJ multiple head coaches etc. The similarities are almost identical, but one gets praised and the other one doesn’t.!
They both dealing with the same problems honestly.
Bill drafted J.C Jackson and he was in the pro bowl 2021
Patriots will never spend money on big players until the coaching staff & front office are replaced. Super old school mentality of building strictly through the draft.
Same guy they said taught Cam the playbook he been bad
I didn't know you could draft pro bowlers
Bruh half of y’all on here can’t make up your mind 😂😂
They're not arguing / they're not taking opposite positions. Mac Jones has played bad, and can be good, as shown vs the Bills. Orlovsky and Sharpe are saying effectively the same thing. I'm still wondering what Stephen A Smith contributes to this show.
He adds nothing. Never has. He’s a loud mouth contrarian who talks a lot of nonsense.
He’s the black Skip Bayless or Skip Bayless is the white Stephan A. How ever you wanna look at it. Both are trash.
nobody thinks it’s odd that mac jones only two good games this season is against division rivals ?
Lint every take needs to be a argument
Orlovsky is the QB defender… I love it
It’s about time! Let’s get the real debate started.. stop agreeing with each other:)
Mac's pocket presence is horrible, his arm is weak, he takes safeties in the end zone instead of throwing the ball away, he doesn't protect the football, he makes inaccurate diagonal passes, and he continues to make rookie mistakes. This team has no talent, Belichick needs to be fired, Jones is not the answer, and this team is still not making the playoffs.
I'm reading from Patriots fans online that NE is going to the super bowl now that they're 2-5. 😄😄😄 You can't make this stuff up.
The Patriots decided to win yesterday after the Giants, Bears, and Broncos did so as well. Belichick destroyed this team. He loses when he shouldn't and wins when he shouldn't. The season is over.
I hate when ppl always say that ppl jv nobody to throw to, Hunter Henry was great as a charger, Bourne was aa very good receiver, Davante Parker aint no scrub, those running backs are as efficient as they come. Stop blaming his supporting cast, Mac needs to be better.
All true✌🏿
Preach!
The Patriots haven’t given him a single weapon hard to judge him at this point.
Should make due with what he has, QBs should make players around them better regardless
Shannon "let's just say for the sake of argument" Sharpe
Pats had their 5 best offensive linemen on the field for the first time.
Y’all couldn’t find a better pic for Unc???
Why Robert Kraft hasn't pulled Belichik from the GM spot yet should be talked about more. He's literally the worst.
Was I in another universe when Mac Jones was in the pro bowl?? 🤔
Max Jones I think made a pro bowl his rookie year but he was an alternate but SAS not lying😂
Mac Jones struggling is because of “the talent around him” but Lamar Jackson’s receivers literally can’t catch and yall were the same ones questioning if he’s worth the money😕….
Tbf nobody is advocating for Mac Jones to get elite QB money
@@unc54that’s fair but you can’t criticize Lamar’s contract after 1 game where his receivers clearly couldn’t catch the ball but say Mac Jones would be elite in another system after he’s been below average to start his career so far
Why did they think New England was going to be a good place for a young QB? Bill has ALWAYS built offenses with mediocre and unwanted players. He lucked out getting Gronk but aside from gronk and Moss for a couple years, the rest of his offenses have been built with nothing but castaways.
Wes Welker
He led Mac to a playoff birth and 7 straight wins his rookie year. That's setting him up well. Patricia hiring was bad, but Mac is also just not that guy. Both can be true.
Edelman
Hernandez
@@k-no058 Edelman was a 7th rd pick college QB that played special teams for 4 years. He's literally a guy no one else wanted.
Every Black QB gets criticized daily with zero support.
Big facts
This is a segment that shows Shannon Sharpe doesn’t want to admit he was wrong. Stephen A and D.O. sliced and diced him up but still couldn’t admit he was wrong. Very telling.
What QB has won or done anything without any offensive talent around him? These same dudes were calling Tua a scrub. Now look.
Mac Jones is not good the bills choked this game
Josh Allen just isn't the guy people want him to be. His highlight reel makes him look all time but that's not the full picture of who he is.
@@RD-zx6py I do agree with that but I will say he was under pressure pretty much the whole game yesterday but when he had time he made big plays to take the lead but I feel the same way I think long term he won’t win them a Super Bowl and I think their window is slowly closing
@@nathanielmedina9166 I gave up on him after watching him go out of his way to fumble away a win against the Vikings last season. That for me sums up who he is when his team need him to do the easy things right far too often.
mac needs a wide reciver
Shannon wrong on this one. I don’t like Mac Jones but it’s clear he’s hardly had a chance to grow
What?? Explain
@@704jizzle2last season his offensive coordinators were Matt Patricia who is a defense first guy and joe judge who’s just awful. In his three seasons he’s never had any reliable receiving options other than jakobi meyers who the patriots let go. Three offensive coordinators in three seasons isn’t a recipe for success for a young QB.
@@nolanfonseca6914 why is he throwing pick 6s every week? Is that lack of talent or lack of awareness?
@@vittorio17ishhonestly outside of yesterday he looked better last year than he does this year
@@vittorio17ish I’m not saying he’s not at fault as well. But he has been dealt a shit hand by belichick too. It goes both ways.
It's been a mess on both sides. More on the organization. I'd say 60/40. Mac has been bad but I think he's salvageable and can be in the NFL
3:30
This O line problem would've been prevented had Mason not been traded..
The whole city of Buffalo is annoyed “Sad Football”
I will say the Buffalo Bills have been pretty inconsistent this year. However, there was a key play in the fourth quarter that changed this game, illegal man downfield penalty was called on third down. but the penalty flag was picked up and there was no discussion to why. the replay shows offensive lineman was 10 yards downfield.
That was on 1st down bruh. Also the refs always call some bs on the Pat's so we deserved one back
@@alexsweangen7157 i’ll be honest I forgot what down it was lol, but I know that shit should’ve been called back and they got like 30 yards on that play
@@alexsweangen7157that's a dumb lame excuse. Patriots should have lost that game on that play. My understanding is Patriots overall as a team got very lucky against the Bills. This ain't going to be like this in the coming games. Mac is going to be bad as usual.
Shannon is making their point by saying the patriots only sign certain kinds of players.
I agree with Shannon Sharpe ! It’s true! Mac has played bad, & got pulled. Zappe played good with Patricia.
It’s no reason to cover up Mac!
Mac did play very good, yesterday.
Stephen A is very bias! He tried to talk down his Cam Newton bad. He knew Cam had no weapons as they’ve given Mac for 3 years. Cam had an empty team of weapons, almost. They didn’t report all his Tds. Cam had a total of 21. Stephen A kept saying just 8. They wouldn’t report his Rushing TDs.
Dan has never really ever stood up for Cam.
I admire Shannon for telling the hard facts!
Facts! Most patriots fans don't even know that smh they just look at TDs and INTs thrown
Dude Cams arm was done by then and he lost a lot of his athleticism which made him great. He played 15 games and threw for 8 tds and 3 were in the last game.
Cam had 21 total tds man. He had 3200 total tds. He had 12 TDs rushing tds which was the most by a Quarterback in 2020. They gave Cam hardly no help. Cam was re-signed, too!
@mxfilms9738
Man, Cam didn’t have hardly nobody to throw too. Edelman left Cam by himself & only played total 6 gms. It’s 10 games he doesn’t play at all. They f*cked over Cam so bad ! 😳😞
They took the new weapons & gave to Mac.
In 2023, Mac turned out a Big Bust! 👁
Haven’t even finished having Dan talk for the first Min. Already know Shapre is going to hate on this young man.
Mac was playing better when Patricia was OC, so I don't understand why they keep saying that
Stephen A brought up an excellent point about players drafted by the Patriots that have made a Pro Bowl. That is a red flag within the organization! Drafting, scouting, and development has not looked good in New England.
He misspoke I believe. I think they have had pro bowlers but not all pros
Sas is right! If any other gm had that track record... they'd be fired! It's that simple
Dan lost me saying Jones would play nearly as well as Tua and Purdy if he were in their systems... I highly doubt that, he'd be serviceable...
where were the excuses for cam when he played in a far worse offense...
Every other young Qb and it’s “get him a receiver and let’s see how he plays”….yet Mac Jones doesn’t get that benefit of the doubt.
Shay said it right though. The kid has played bad
Mac Jones this year when Lowe and Mafi don’t start:
7 Touchdowns
1,020 Yards
2 Interceptions
Mac Jones this year when Lowe and Mafi do start:
0 Touchdowns
460 Yards
5 Interceptions
Now tell me, who’s the real problem??
vederian lowe is the worst football player of all time
@@cappyae Low key true
Nice to see mac get a win 😂😂😂
Where's Aaron Rodgers to shut up dan lol