Stephen A. & Dan Orlovsky GOT AT IT about Josh Allen’s trust levels! | First Take
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- On First Take, Stephen A. Smith, Kimberley Martin and Dan Orvlovsky talk about the latest from around the NFL.0:00 Do you trust Josh Allen?
1:30 Stephen A.’s disappointed
4:50 Dan Orlovsky’s take
7:00 Dan loses his cool!#ESPN #FirstTake #espn #StephenA
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"You wasn't capable of wearing that suit 2 years ago...THINGS CHANGE! "💀💀💀 that had me crying
That has me crying too! 😂😂
Right 😭😂😂😂
I cried when he said that!😂😂😂
Crying laughing hard. 🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 to all y'all commenting and liking thank you much love hilarious ESPN definitely jumped some levels shifting and Addition of Shay Sharpe its a different kind of energy
Kimberly stood up and was the exact same height as she was seated. 😂
Yeah but she’s seemed annoying
Quick lil check by Stephen a. Notice molly knew it wasn’t her place to stand in that one that was a man’s debate
This debate just elevated First Take 😅. This was amazing, shoutout to Stephen A and Dan 👏🏻
Kimberly is actually a really good part of first take.
She so annoying wym 😭
@@Yurrrrrtfyurrr How
@@Yurrrrrtfyurrrlmaoooo
she's fine so she gets a pass just like Molly@@Yurrrrrtfyurrr
She said 1000% after how he played Monday! Crazy work
Dan standing up like he’s defending his WIFE 😂😂
They should’ve moved the table and threw down. Imagine Shannon standing up. I bet everybody else would sit back down.
@@jonmolina948In a nanosecond 😂😂😂
@@jermainewright4517 Why we standing up unless we moving furniture?
He was the same about wentz😂
Josh Allen had to throw 3 INTs, a fumble and lose just for ESPN to stop talking about about Dak
And you just brought him up again 🙄
Even tho Allen has more turnovers than anybody
Dak will do the same on Sunday 😂
@@Jason09_your nothing but a cowboy meat rider let’s be honest
@@Jason09_ didn’t know we had god I’m the chat
Stephen A is a comedian 😂
😂😂
Absolutely.... Stephen you okay
0:10
Nick Wright said it but y’all be giving Josh Allen more credit for losing that 2022 playoff game than y’all do Mahomes for winning it. He didn’t get a ring for that performance they lost
Nick wright isn't credible regarding any threat to his favorites. He's always gonna find a way to cut them down to prop up/protect his favorites
@@jctsliceTrue, but he's still has a point regarding Josh Allen. Everyone gives him more credit for losing to Mahomes or any other teams, than giving Mahomes credit for winning his second Super Bowl or his 3rd AFC Championship lol
Nobody is discrediting him as a great Quarterback, but the mistakes are just so awful that it makes everyone look at Nick Wright as if he was partially telling the truth.
@@jctsliceNick was and is Wright about Josh Allen. Get over it
@@Mr.Martin1996 he may be right, but I'm not listening to it coming from a flagrant chiefs homer lol. If broussard said it, I'm good with it because he's objective
@@jctslice I don't even agree with most of his Chiefs takes, coming from a Chiefs fan myself, but at least he's consistent with his takes than Skip is lol
But I do agree with Broussard being objective though.
Dan defending a turnover prone QB who costs the team games. Football is definitely back yall!
But has a problem with dak😂 but will defend Carson Wentz,Derek carr and Josh Allen
Because Dan was a turnover prone QB😂😂😂
@@mainenba1624😂😂😂 sounds legit
@@mainenba1624 I don't personally like Dan Orlovsky, but when he was at Connecticut, he was arguably the best QB in the Big East. Don't disrespect someone who did something that you were incapable of doing.
Enjoy your week 1 dogging a guy for a single bad game playing what could be the best defense in the league on the road when they were extra motivated to pull out a win for their injured QB. When Allen inevitably is a Top 2 QB after a few weeks, come back with that energy.
josh allen could throw 10 interceptions in a game and Dan still wouldn't bat an eye.
New Carson Wentz.... It's his bay 😅
That’s not true, but he had a bad game that’s true or it’s just funny how we want a dog, Josh Allen but no one wants to talk about Joe Burrow, who had a horrible game too but Josh Allen has one turnover prone game against the best defense in the league and we want to attack him
@@DuckFanDaneburrow had one bad game. If I’m not mistaken Josh Allen led the league last year in turnovers, and I know for a fact he lead the league in red zone turnovers. He’s making mistakes that he shouldn’t be making at this point in his career and it’s alarming. This is not one game. This is Josh Allen for over a full season now.
@@DuckFanDane”one bad game”
He turns the ball over repeatedly. Since 2020 he leads the league in turnovers. Last year he did. He’s also a touchdown machine to be fair. Good with the bad, but he’s for sure worse than mahomes and burrow
Well it's the same guy who ran out the back of the end zone so not surprised 😂
stephen a clutched up the 2v1😭
These dudes just stood up I hollered 😂💀
😂😂😂😂 first take has moved up levels loving it
It’s Stephen A bruh 😂😂😂pure entertainment
@@spitzrealist86 I may be wrong but am thinking Shannon has a huge impact on that also
@@tyronegriffith473everyone has to step up their game. He’s changed the energy BTS, some people’s aura just does that
I made a face when she said 1000% too SAS she tweakin 😂😂
She definitely Tweakin😂😂😂if he told her "you should be drug tested immediately " I would've died
Bro she straight up glitched
@@RackzTheGeneral I stg 🤣
@@rjgraddy11 sum wrong with shordy 😂
It’s not about talent, it’s about trust… If you trust Josh Allen to get to a Super Bowl right now, you have NOT been paying attention.
Nah he’s over trusting lmao
if you think that i really dont think youve been paying attention. number one scoring offense in the last three years and top three in epa/play on a team thats won more games than everyone not named the chiefs.
@@crustybs46and what has he done in the playoffs
@@crustybs46all of that is null & void when it comes to the post season. Josh Allen seems to make the dumbest mistakes at the worst possible time in the playoffs. He tries too hard to play hero ball & it backfires more times than not. Don’t believe me? Just watch the game against Cincinnati in the divisional round
gotten to an afc championship game, beat the patriots scoring a touchdown on every single drive and not punting, having a stellar performance against kc on par with mahomes and losing because the defense gives up a fg with 13 seconds left and capitulates in overtime@@Sebastian-in4po
crying that they both stood up
84 total turnovers with five years in the league… but he’s ELITE…
Not just elite, we can’t even bring up the turnovers or they’ll act like we have no idea what we are talking about.
@@duvaltilwedie904yet ESPN wonders why their ratings are tanking: Constant narratives being pushed that are regularly debunked.
It’s insane how much he turns the ball over!!
Over last two years
Josh allen 29 ints
Mahomes 25 ints
Burrow 26 ints
Lol
@@Mystery1140 add the fumbles
9 of those 14 TDs came in 2 playoff games. Diggs went the same distance in the playoffs with Case Keenum
Yooooooo
She said Josh Allen is the reason we thought they could win a SB. It was Von Miller before he got hurt. Josh Allen is gonna be the reason the Bills can’t make it to a SB
Please stop lying
@@derrondowdy4373 He’s one of the most talented QBs in the game but he makes poor decisions. Till he fixes it, only thing the Bills winning is a seat on the couch on SuperBowl Sunday.
Debates with Dan and SAS be having me crying 🤣
This is one of the best debated topics I’ve heard on this show in a minute. 😂
Look at how the media talks about Allen vs Dak.... Dan said all last week "yall got me defending Dak" ...but will defend josh Allen and Derek carr...not a dak fan but he's not a high turnover qb yet the media trashed him all off-season when all turns the ball over more than Dak does yet nobody says anything
THE SLURPAGE OF JOSH ALLEN IS SO CRAZY THEY IGNORE THE FACT HE HAS THE MOST TURNOVERS FROM THE QB POSITION SINCE 2018...
He has the most touchdowns since he entered the league…..
@@danielventura8118yeah with his legs 😂 he’s a qb and never thrown 50 tds
@@danielventura8118 Most TDs and most turnovers since entering the league isn’t a good stat, especially if the team is blowing games because of turnovers
@@Justin-oi7jt his team is also winning games because he is throwing and running for touchdowns
@@danielventura8118 yes but does that happens when it matters? Like in the playoffs
“I did not I was in the suite”😂
Stephen A is right this time. No one is saying Josh isn’t a very good QB it’s just there are other guys with teams that have improved that we all should trust more based on what we have seen of his performance in big moments. Honestly he reminds me of the AFC Dak Prescott. ALL WORLD statistics, can’t win the big games when needed.
NO, its more SAS trying to find any reason to knock Allen off his pedestal because he knows Allen is a lot better than his favourite "boys" (as he calls them) like Jackson, Hurts, Mahomes, and will hate to admit that,
Stephen A got called out for speaking out of both sides of his mouth 😂
I kept saying all offseason that the Jags would pass the Bills as the 3rd best team in the AFC and people thought I was crazy. This is why. Josh Allen is immensely talented, but these mistakes are killers.
The Bills had no business losing that game
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😊dd
Drafting Trevor Lawrence was the game changer. Delusional Jet fans wanted to downplay missing out on him, "We don't even know if he'll be good in the NFL." There are some things that are certainties. I don't think there's even been more of a guarantee in NFL history than Trevor Lawrence being a star QB.
The jags Almost lost to the colts lol
@@Mystery1140 The Bills lost to Zach Wilson lol
I gotta be in the twilight zone or something here. Watching Stephen A so vociferously praise and defend Tua this segment after making snide remarks about his arm strength all these years is definitely a trippy experience. Idk how to feel about it as a fins fan 😂😂😂
To be fair he is talking about this year
@@philthyrich007 I know it’s still weird. I don’t like it 😂😂. Feels like some reverse psychology bs lol
He's good at jumping on waves
at least you’re shameless & don’t know enough to admit you’re a Sardines fan - congratulations
Dan should be on the show everyday. He one of the only guys I know that can actually check Stephanie A Smith when he does that thing he do
This was a good debate. When they stood up, they were going at it while being respectful. Nice one Dan and SA.
Imagine if Lamar Jackson did what josh Allen did Monday night this wouldn’t even be a argument
😂😂😂
Lamar has the exact same career INT rate as Josh at 2.3%, Josh just has way more pass attempts so his overall numbers are higher. Allen is a guarantee for 5,000 yards & 40 TDs, Lamar puts up nowhere near that
Lamar had 2 Turnovers against the Texans
@@LilJJ010Lamar won.. they lost to Zack Wilson because of josh allen
Josh Allen is Cam Newton who will never win mvp or reach the Super Bowl. The stupid hits he’s taking now will add up soon.
Imagine Lamar being an actual good QB.
Love seeing Stephen A shut Kimberly up😂
Ong she be all attitude and no facts at all 😭
0:08 The look on her face. That’s the only time I’ve seen Stephen A trying to not get caught being snide.
Not a Bengals (or Bills) fan, but in fairness, Joe had a calf injury that made him miss most of training camp and preseason (like last year’s appendectomy) so I’m fully expecting him to bounce back at some point this season when he shakes the rust off. I do NOT trust Josh Allen to stop trying to play hero ball and ruining his team’s chance of winning a championship. He’s definitely missing the guidance and discipline that Brian Daboll was giving him.
Yeah, that’s crazy, he will never change. Bills receivers are always open but he’d rather go 70 yards down the field
Being a fellow non biased fan I appreciate your breakdown.
All I heard was excuses if Joe was that guy he would’ve done better
@@sirhoopalot1125 fair enough… I still trust him more than Josh Allen!
@@GuessJess oh most definitely most definitely
The fact is, since he has come in the league in 2019, Allen has the most turnovers as a quarterback. 😅
2018*, and great. now look at TD's, epa/play, wins, yards, points per game...
@@crustybs4662% career completion percentage with a top 5 WR
@prolific1518 he has a 65.3 percent completion percentage since stefon diggs has been in the picture and a top 5 average depth of target in that time-frame making that percentage even better
He's overrated, just say it y'all. Not hard
@@jalilcook5113opinions are like. . .
I literally just watched a clip on Get Up of Kimberley Martin roasting Allen to the point she was standing up out of her chair and then literally in the next time slot she's singing his praises..this is why it's so hard to tune in to these shows on a regular basis.
Exactly
This is problem with Dan. They are looking at Allen at his best, but Allen at his worst has been the reason they lose. Tua, when healthy, is to be trusted. Lately, Allen has shown he cannot be trusted.
Tua at his best will always lose to Josh Allen at his best that’s why
@@danielventura8118that’s cap if the Dolphins had Tua last year they beat Buffalo you buggin
@danielventura8118 not a fan of either team. But if Tua was healthy they would've won the East
@@danielventura8118Stop drinking the kool-aid and open your eyes.
No, Dan is looking at the full picture and everybody else like SAS is looking at his words and acting like that’s why he does every single week. Dan is saying he does this sometimes but more often than not. He is fantastic and he has a great record in the playoffs. Everybody in the media is talking about the bad but the fact is on the regular. He’s one of the best three quarterbacks in the NFL
They just be on first take HAVING FUN lol and I love it.
This is one of the best episodes/segments in a while. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Preach Dan!!!!!! Y'all better listen to Dan Orlovsky!!!!
4:54in the suite wit Justin Timberlake 😂😂😂
“sit down, you’re too short for that” 😂😂
best debate they’ve had on this show in a while bravo
Great show
Dan let’s his feelings get involved with every debate lmao
And that's a good thing.
Lol you can tell he’s an emotional dude
Nothing wrong with taking Tua he’s upside crazy. Josh Allen leads the league in turnovers since he got drafted that’s a issue.
Tua also has an amazing offensive coach and a way better team around him
I hope Tua makes it thru the whole season.
Dan wants Josh Allen to be great so bad lmao 💀
He is great
Allen is great you morons are ridiculous
Dan wanted Carson Wentz to be great remember that😂
@@Xavier11870 Allen is great
@@johnbennett1729he’s not anymore 😂
Great debate/segment
Stephen A , got them jokers up off him!!!!!!😂
So you think if youre extra loud then you must be correct lol? Why do you think Stephen A said we dont need to bring up any tape lmao. He constantly talks about how certain players havnt won in the playoffs
@@BuuhBlocksAllen hasn’t even been to the sb and Mahomes has 2 foh
@@BuuhBlocksStephen A definitely said players need to win playoff games, but the question was “Can Josh Allen be trusted to get Bills to Super Bowl?”. And Stephen A answered that question… and for those who think he’s incorrect clearly has not been watching the Bills in the last two postseasons.
I’m ngl Sas really held his own on a 2v1😂😂😂
I love this trio!
SAS cooked them both lmfao 😂😂😂
Stephen A clearly won this argument
Keep that same energy with Josh Allen with the INTs just like how y'all do with Dak when he throws INTs and I'm not even a Cowboys fan
That’s all Stephen A is really saying. Dan giving Allen a pass but going in on dak is malarkey
Thank you bro, I appreciate you calling it down the middle.
Fire episode
I love this!
I think defenses are starting to realize shutting down Diggs will slow Josh’s production. Josh Allen was not putting up great numbers until Diggs got there.
Plus the only OC he had success with is gone too
Moron Diggs had 11 receptions and over 100 yards
@@johnbennett1729and they lost. You wanna keep over targeting diggs and look what happened. 3 INT . Cope
@@Sebastian-in4pohe didn’t over target him lmao 😂
@@danielventura8118he did
My boy Stephen A Got The W on this one and it was a handicap match lol
😂😂he killed them both 😂😂😂Molly just witnessed two murders
Over last two years
Josh allen 29 ints
Mahomes 25 ints
Burrow 26 ints
Lol
@@spitzrealist86 😂😂😂facts Molly a witness now Stephen A on a roll
Smackdown vs Raw
@@Mystery1140 FUMBLES are turnovers too!! Learn football please.
Love how molly is always there to make sure it doesnt get outta hand, long as she doesnt talk sports i love her on the show, best moderator in her field
I had to like this. Well done
How can you trust a player that gives the ball away so much !’
Because he can single-handedly win any game. Because he’s a top 2 QB in the NFL. Because he’s an alien. Because he’s clearly the guy.
@@theshawshankinception1220 and in the same breath he can single handily lose the game because of 3 interceptions and a fumble or two and I think he has elite talent but trust him naw I don’t
Josh Allen absolutely has the talent to do it, but he’s inconsistent. He is the modern day Brett Favre. He can dazzle you as he did in his shootout with Mahomes in that AFC championship game, or he can crush your chances of winning with sloppy picks.
Favre went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, while Allen made it to the AFC title game in 2021 with a shallow AFC pool. At their respective peaks, I'm taking Favre everyday of the week over Allen to lead my team to victory
Stylistically, I can see the comparison to Favre but Favre won a SB. Josh Allen is trending in the wrong direction right now
First take been lit😂😂😂 vibes different
This is why we need a running game to be able to give Allen that support or to help work him n the game or to kinda stop the bleeding
Great television 👏👏👏
Stephen a tore the whole panel a new one
Excuse me Excuse me you didn't even have the Dolphins winning the AFC East
I had AR-12 and the Jets SINCE YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT OUT. Got dog SAS you was on one
Yeahh Dan!! This is why I love Dan on the Show. He gets on Stephen A. 😤🤣
This debate was 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Josh Allen just wants to hit people. He thinks he's a linebacker 😂
Allen has regressed the last two years. Most turnovers by a mile out of the “elite” QBs. High highs but super low lows. Overrated in the big moments. That 13 seconds ruined him and Dabs leaving
He was perfect in that game tho so wym?😂😂 ...13 seconds was in that defense. Last time I watched a bills game he wasn't on defense lol
@@sidekickht So why has he lost 4 overtime games since then
@ishyameru6232 Go re-read what I wrote bud. I ain't a bills fan, but I saw that 13 sec game and I addressed what that man said specifically. Don't get to confused.👌🏽
His oc left to ny
@@sidekickht he leads the league in turnovers the last few years
Lol I like how she checked Stephen about that collar choke and he still kept going lol. I love when they disagree but can still keep the show going w/o showing anger over opinions.
I thought the video froze at the beginning lmao lady was stuck! That was good lol
WHAT A FLEX BY SAS!
Diggs is never happy unless he's getting 10+ targets a game. If you think Allen is a top 5 QB and can't take his team to a SB then something is wrong. If he's a top 5 QB then he definitely has the ability to be a SB winning QB.
SA said he trusts Tua more than Allen then immediately back tracked when Dan questioned him. Then he says he doesn't trust Tua, he trusts Hill and Waddle. This was a debate about QBs not talent around them.
As a team I like Miami more than Buffalo. When we're talking QBs I'll take Allen before Tua.
Allen keep forcing it to diggs n turnig the ball over
Josh has top 5 talent, but having the most turnovers since he’s been drafted can’t be ignored. People have dragged Jameis Winston for his turnovers, they’ve dragged Dak (and he’s not as turnover prone as people want to believe), and it’s time we have that same conversation about Allen.
And To be fair to Tua, his biggest issue is his availability, but he’s showing that he can hang with Allen. As someone else said in another comment, defenses have figured out that you can neutralize Allen’s passing by locking up Diggs, and they’re right.
Also, I’m going to say it… I remember saying to my peoples during that Bills/Dolphins playoff game that the Bills were getting knocked out by the Bengals. They struggled with a Dolphins team without Tua… and that’s what end up happening: Burrow and the boys knocked them out on the ROAD.
@@tmc31390
I wouldn't say defenses have figured out Allen. Over the past couple seasons Davis has given up yards due to his inconsistent catching. Plus Buffalo has always struggled running the ball with their backs, that makes them one dimensional.
Allen's talent makes me trust him more than Tua. Tua doesn't have deep ball accuracy. Notice how most have his yards come from Hill or Waddle running after the catch.
I'm not saying Tua isn't talented but he's being carried by two top level receivers and a good HC.
“ we’re right here “ lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
These guys are hilarious lol😅
I’m actually enjoying watching first take these days 👍 would like even more if we had Shannon Sharpe on 5 days a week. Don’t remove any other guests just have uncle sharpe on daily
The film doesn’t lie. How can you say Allen is capable of this & that and hasn’t accomplished any of the things they trust him to do. Hilarious
"Because he's throwing to Tyreek Hill!" should've ended it there lmao
SAS was on his Ps and Qs today 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Dan and Kim sound ridiculous. Why would you trust Josh Allen when since last season, he has 30 interceptions and fumbles? He has not been great for 90% of his career. He was below average his first two years, good for two years with Daboll, and then bad last year with all the turnovers. You can't be a great QB if you rely on one coordinator to be great.
Absolutely ridiculous he was elite for three years in a row moron
He wasn’t bad last year
If you take Stefon Diggs away from Josh Allen, he’s essentially Carson Wentz 2.0
A running Carson Wentz
Carson Wentz with 10 extra STR
Dan looking like an accountant for the Mafia wit them glasses on😂
Kmart and Stephen A are hilarious😂😂
I'll take Tua to the superbowl over josh allen hands down. Chiefs fan
Tua was always accurate. The only thing is health. Josh wants to play like Superman.
Lol 😂 let dak or Kirk or cousins or jalen hurts turn the ball over that many times they would crush them but it’s okay for Josh Allen
exactly literally any of those 3 would be getting set on fire by the media at least SA waken up
He's the Media darling 3-4 years in a row now. They can't turn on him cause that would mean admitting they were wrong. Allen is what Trey Lance was going to be in the Niners. Came from a small school, had little experience but high potential, very inaccurate and makes bad decisions. But the Media killed Trey while they suck up to Allen. Color me surprised.
“You are too short” haha
Great Discussion Steven A an Dan 💯💯got me tuned in😂😂
Yo Dan!! The type of mistakes that Josh Allen does is what has held the Bills from going to the Super Bowl. Yes, he is a great QB, but that 90% that you are talking about has mainly been during the season. What matters is playoffs- Josh hasn’t taking the Bills to Super Bowl. if he doesn’t correct some of those mistakes (like in week 1), he is gonna get crushed every time - especially in the playoffs.
josh allen has the same ammount of post season INT's as joe burrow does having played 1 more game than burrow.
@@crustybs46how about fumbles?
@@mrgetitdone85 2. And one came a game they won and scored 34 points in. So again. He's had one actual bad mistake game in the playoffs in his career, a game which they won.
I’m guessing you are Bills fan. No shame in that. I’m just stating the facts! Look, Joe Burrow has taken the Bengals to the Super Bowl, AND being a underdog throughout the playoffs. He didn’t win but he’s been there, with less talented team than the Bills.
I think Josh Allen needs to tweak his game a little bit. That’s all
I'm so tired of these josh allen d riders bro like it never stops. He isn't as good as you think he is. He is talented but he will not take them to the super bowl unless he foxes his issues. He is the Russell Westbrook of the NFL
Brett Favre 2.0
Cam Newton 2.0
This was great 😅😅😅
He fallin out that top 5!!! ahah
why does allen get slack but dak doesnt? dak has by far less turnovers in his career than allen, yet dak gets blamed much more. its actually ridiculous
Bc one plays for dallas & the media wants Josh allen to be the best qb in the league to help w their narrative’s
Cause one is white and one is black 😂
Why do u post questions like this if u think u already know the answer
Thank you!
You already know.
83 picks since 2018. Funny how they never brought that up.
60 picks. 83 overall turnovers when you include fumbles
@@natehenry2980 you’re right I should’ve said turnovers. Good looks on pointing that out.
Love it 😂😂😂
good answer
Can you trust Steven A’s barber?
LMFAO.
Kinda bro been doing gods work with SAS hairline 😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Not every quarterback who has won a superbowl is great, and not every quarterback who hasn't won one is bad.
Josh is a great quarterback who had to shift his style of play to a run style because his offense and receivers couldn't get it done in the traditional sense. And I think it's made him take 2 steps backwards in terms of his development up to this point.
Just gotta get him back on the right track and be a passer again, not some guy who gives 1 look then tucks the ball in and runs.
Look, if we gave up on every guy because he didn't win a superb owl in the first few years of his career, there'd be no sport.
It's nonsense to think otherwise.
What you say is true, but partially, because of this show, people don't do that anymore. If you don't have a ring, you're trash, and if you do have a ring, they move to you're not better than the guy who has more. I personally think Josh allen is good but extremely overrated same as Herbert. They for some reason get passes other qbs don't get.
But Josh Allen's Superbowl window is short. Most likely 4 years because he takes too many hits when he runs. He will become today's Cam Newton soon.
everybody should stand up when at least 2 people stand up arguing 😂
"GO AT IT"