Colt's 2nd Generation 1860 Army Revolver
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- In this video we’ll take a look at Colt’s 2nd Generation Model 1860 Army Revolver.
This revolver was part of Colt’s black powder series, launched by the company in the 1970s.
The 2nd Generation black powder revolvers are genuine Colts, not over-priced Ubertis, as is sometimes said.
I’ll show you who made what parts. I’ll describe the production process, and we’ll shoot the gun itself.
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"do whatever you prefer and don't send me any complaints about it." Well said!!
I look forward to this series. The history of these generations of colts needs to be told. There is so much misinformation about these guns. It takes a knowledgeable individual like yourself to set the story straight.Keep up the good work.
I bought a Colt 1851 navy 2nd gen revolver and it had issues with a soft barrel wedge and the nipples were drilled out or something and it had cap jams every shot. I sent it to Colt and got it back about 6 months later. I ended up trading it for a Lyman 1851 and some cash. and I guess it was a lemon it happens. I have a 1860 Army made in Belgium in the 1960's ( Centaure Belgium Colt)) and it is a near perfect copy. It was new in the original box unfired with the paper work and even the wax paper it came in and I have never shot it it is in my safe. I still want an 1860 Army 2nd gen Colt even after my experience with the colt 1851. Great video Mike thank you. .
Oddly, when Colt was doing the '51 Navys and the 3rd Dragoons in the early 70s, there were some strange quality issues going on. The models during the years 81 - 82 went pretty well though.
As usual another great and informative video ,well done and thanks for sharing
Thks. Pertinent info. Educational value.
I couldn't wait for this video to be posted and Mike, you didn't disappoint! What a cool gun and great video! Thanks so much for your efforts!
Big thumbs up! I have been a subscriber for a long time, Mike. It just occurred to me NOBODY that I am aware of, provides the “Bad Guy’s View” in their vids! Love it!
Love your content man. Excellent show every time.
Another cracking video Mike 👍👍👍
Mike Great video on these Colts! Have a few myself. Nice Revolvers. Looking forward to seeing more on these.
Always great episodes
Very nice looking pistol, might just have to look into this a little. Thanks, keep up the good work.
That's a pretty colt army actively working on ordering mine! I love cap & ball revolvers it just feels right!
Another great and very entertaining video, Mike!
Awesome. I saw your Facebook post and I was super excited to see the video!
Really like these videos. Especially the 1860 Colts
finally, a good video on second generation colts. i love mine .thank you excellent video
Outstanding video
Another Great Video , thank as always !!!
Good Kentucky elavation brother! I love the video's keep it coming!
Beautiful gun and a whole lotta fun!
I did enjoy. As always. You are a treasure.
Pretty good shooting ...for a new gun fresh out of the box.
Pretty good shooting for out of the box, and having to figure it out on the fly on camera, no retakes. Good show!!
So glad you clarified the Colts , I bought a set of Colt pistols with a shoulder stock and display case I think was made in 1973 these were from a gun dealer in Texas at 78 and getting into black powder I wanted a rare set these must have been sitting around for many years everything was in new condition with no cylinder marks.
When taking these apart I was amazed how difficult they were the wedges had to be hammered out a mallet would not budge them then one of the cylinders was stuck on the arbor I never seen such a tight fit with a block of wood as a backer and mallet it finally came off I took emory paper and gently worked the arbor until the cylinder went on smooth , I ordered new wedges from Dixie gun works and they fit very well I also took off many burr and sharp edges that you could skin a deer with now they shoot very well.
My point is that these Colts were made to more or less to look at with a nice display case with he hopes of increasing in price in the future instead of shooting for enjoyment . There is no way my Colt set could have been inspected by anyone except for looks they were not functional . I really enjoy going to the range and blasting away they are smooth as silk shoot a little high but that is windage which is normal .
Both you and Blackie Thomas have been so helpful with your videos showing how to take apart and maintain black powder weapons so I thank you very much .
One word - SWEET!
Thank you so much, I love your videos, God bless you.
You bid I enjoyed the content. Thank you
Nice Gun Mike my new friend :) i love Colt Guns
Beautiful grip on that Mike... Good shooting for a first outting with a new daughter.
Wish theyd do another run... Love to have a pair of walkers from colt
Wow genuine colts, that's awesome.
Thanks for the great video! I've had one of these since the early 1980s and I have heard it called "just an Uberti,"and " made in Italy." Lots of good information. My 1860 hasn't been to the range for awhile. I think I may have to take it.
I’m happy for them to say that. Hopefully, it keeps their prices down.
Excellent video as usual , going shooting tomorrow at Mike Dickenson’s Range in Derbyshire UK with two good shooting buddies, taking my Uberti Navy .36 cal and loaded with Pedersoli conicals wrapped in flash paper ( no residue ) made from Capandball’s paper cartridge maker I got delivered today from Budapest and Henry Kranks black powder fffg. Does life get any better , I’m not sure , maybe I need a Dualist’s Den T shirt just to cap it off .
New to your channel really enjoy it. I just purchased 1851 navy 2generation never been fired. Thanks
First time viewer. Enjoyed very much
I also am confused about holster type. R/l, cross, etc. A right hand right draw hip holster is what I want. A video would be hunky dory! Thanks for vids in real time, no chipmunk chirpy vids!
Very nice shooting while having to experiment with the elevation on the fly
Good to know, I had heard the "they're just Uberti" comments before too, with no rebuttal.
The sights on that little beauty are battle sights set for 100yds mate, 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Great stuff Mike, thanks for sharing with us. 🇦🇺🇦🇺
Nads EYE 👁! Great shooting.......and he’s singing a foot 🦶 high too!!!
Always love the vids,, like the loading,, like the the 5-in-the-chamber but was surprised... watching you miss shots 🙈
The commentary was fantastic better luck next time on the shooting greatly enjoyed your video thanks they almost got away haha
Saw a pair of what appeared to be Colt second generation black powder revolvers in a local shop today but they were I believe second model dragoons. I didn't get a chance to hold em an take a closer look, but I'm going back in the morning to look at em. I'm hoping I can get a deal on em.
You shoot pretty good with a gun you never fired before Mike.
Hey Mike, some years back you made a video on all your C&B revolvers, but now you probably have twice as many… can we get a new video showing your collection as it stands today?
The 1st and 3rd shots on Roy look like the felt wads were on fire when they bounced onto the ground. Might want to keep an eye on that if things get dry. Wouldn't want to burn down the Den. Great video, be well and God bless.
I have had a wad made exactly like that stick in a paper target at CAS distances.
Yeah, shot a friends black powder shotgun, we almost started a grass fire.. come to think about it fires cannot have been unusual back in the day.
Hans Up seems like a bad dude! Nice video.
I like to say Kentucky windage, Tennessee elevation.
Great video Mike, I have a 2nd gen 1860, 1851, 1860 stainless and pocket police. All boxed with paperwork. Traded 6 of my Signature Series for a complete 1930 Mauser Broomhandle cased set and a 1964 Colt SAA Nevada Centennial, no regrets. Wasn't impressed with the 3rd generation.
Mike, has Evil Roy ever been mentally evaluated? I suspect he had a rough childhood. (His adulthood the same.)
LOL
I'm not sure but the first shot you put on Hans looks like you shot Ol' Hans in the Nads.
Ya! LOL
Great video. I always thought the second generation Colts were all made by Uberti, and fit and finish was in USA. Keep those BP videos coming.
You can imagine what time it took to reload such a 19 centrury revolver in those days.
But anyway, like that old style guns and this video how it works.
When you were shooting at Evil Roy I noticed that, twice, two bits went to the ground smoking. Were those wads? I did enjoy this video. Thanks
Have you done a video on how to inspect an 1851 or other percussion revolver? I need to know what to look for in one, what the problems are and how to spot them. It would be very useful and i have not been able to find one. Thanks.
Seems I noticed more sparks on this episode than previous episodes with black powder.
I always use lambs tallow +bees wax in front of the ball so the ball forces the lube into the lands and grooves of the barrel.
I just got a black box colt 1860 never fired at a gun show in Ga. this morning for the unheard or price of $325.00 👍
I’ve been pretty pleased with the Colt factory reproductions that I have. Only issue is the arbor getting loose on them. It’s super frustrating.
"Hans Uhpp" ..... Love it!!!! :^D lol
Thanks for the information. I purchased one last year. I opted for the 2nd generation over the 3rd generation based on what I read about their manufacture. Unfortunately, much of what I found online was poorly sourced and the reports conflicted on the number of parts/finish by Uberti vs. the work performed in the US. Is there a book or other reference you can tell us where we can find this information? Can the Colt 2nd gen 1851 Navy and 1860 Army take conical without alteration?
There is info in several books. but These articles are quite helpful too. This one lookaside.fbsbx.com/file/2nd_and_3rd_Generation_Blackpowder_Revolvers_1971_2002.pdf?token=AWxG-LdObB7rv29tq1qYhtKR46r8L_PvrhqcPQ1w0oZpq7syJbQTsBzHNXSdgik4RMCKXP6ebO3iFezuLMn5-xTwpsqQ4eGAe4_sewVbDsos7gvbTzyZPdHPSTbpWzpALLwxpRA9kTFVaJv2wmX0rc1asiLsWRTc1c9nJoegKj3vCA
And this one
facebook.com/notes/cap-ball-revolvers-pistols-and-rifles/a-concise-history-of-colt-black-powder-reproduction-revolvers/2034309360191105/
@@duelist1954 Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Unfortunately, I'm getting weird and inconsistent Facebook errors when I try to follow the links, even when logged into FB. I appreciate your trying. Sometimes the systems are designed in such a way as to prevent communication or sharing.
Hi,
I know this is not the right post, but have you ever done a video on how to disassemble and clean a Wesson 1841 single shot percussion rifle ? I just got one, but I cannot find anything on this particular model.
Thx.
12:00 That's the reason to load 6.
It sure is a slender beauty.
I'm curious as to what gear Civil War officers and cavalry would carry in regards to reloading and maintaining their pistols. Also, did they use a different reloading method and how fast could they reload?
Nice wood grip on this gun
Beautiful pistol. I have the Colt Signature Series1860. Is that the same generation as the pistol in the video?
Thanks.
Eugene Mullane . No.
Any comparison thoughts on the hammer faces? Seems the colt doesn’t have as much cap sucking as the Italian pieces.
Hi Mike great video as always!
I was wondering, is it risky to push the dowel against the caps as a final step of the loading process? Seems like a good way to make sure the caps are snug.
I've seen you do it in all your videos and I can't help but wonder if one of these days one of those suckers would go off? I'd imagine it would give me quite a scare at the very least ha!
Pressing with a wooden dowell is a widely accepted method for seating caps. Remember they are called percussion caps, it takes percussion, ie an impact, to set them off, not simple pressure or at least not the small amout of pressure one can apply by hand with a small stick. Stay safe
1. Yes, it's risky. Anything related to guns carries risk; blackpowder guns more so. 2. It's less risky than using your finger.
I like using the hammer with thumb pressure. Although today, it seems “danger” is lurking around every corner.
I got a 1862 pocket navy I think it is. Very tight tolerances. Unfired and babied. Imma fukit UP ! BUT HAS THE COLT marks and the lines are seamless from the grip, guard and frame.
I scored a stainless o e a few years ago. Mine shoots great. My only complaints are that the barrel fit is excessively tight and the machining on the water table is a bit rough.
IMHO the 1860/61 Colts are the best looking revolvers ever made.
Great video. Any ideas on how to correct the shooting high? My first thoughts are at the barrel end. Is it a true 90 degrees or can it be filed? What about the hammer sights? Can they be filed or changed out? The 1860 is my next purchase or second to next. I'm hoping to not have the same issue. I can't imagine they sighted it in for long range shooting. My guess is the pistol would have been considered a more of a close range engagement weapon. Thanks for all you do and the education.
To correct a gun shooting high, you have a taller front blade sight installed. If it ends up shooting low, you begin filing down that sight until you're satisfied.
You can file the rear site with a small file. Look up Blackie Thomas here on youtube, he's got a bunch of videos about modifying Colt revolvers
Edit to add: The sights were set at one hundred yards by design, different time different philosophy of shooting and arms.
Where can I get one and how much to they run for as well as... is there any difference with an Uberti day for where the parts where manufactured
I wonder if they shoot high because of how the cylinder lines up with the barrel. At least on the Uberti I noticed if you look down the barrel the light coming through the nipple is not centered and is noticeably high. Don’t reckon that’s something fixeable.
Sir, I know you have done a video on paper cartridges...My question(s), is how to store them, how long can you store them, and how many is to many?
I store them in MTM plastic cartridge boxes for .45 Colt cartridges. Keep them dry, and they will last forever.
@@duelist1954 Thank you Sir, I hope I do not have to keep them forever, but one never knows in an uncertain future.
Mike, Very good video on this 2nd generation Colt Army.
I purchased a "3rd" generation, Signature Series, Hartford-Whitneyville Dragoon in the early 2000s. We owners of 3rd generation Colts are told in some circles of enthusiasts that they are not real Colts. My gun is stamped with all the authentic markings and was licensed by Colt. Question is, are they? Please if you would make a video on this series and clarify once and for all the truth behind this issue. Whatever you can add to the story about them would be appreciated.
BTW - I use to work in Hartford CT a lot and drive by the Colt building many times. Sam Colt was a big deal back in the day.
Thanks for all your black powder videos.
Later this summer I'll do a video on all three generations of the Colt 1860 Army. I'm waiting for my original 1860 Colt (made in 1864) to come back from getting a few repairs.
@@duelist1954 I am looking forward to your later generation Colt videos. I think they will draw a lot of views and comments! I have a couple of Signature series, an 1860 Army, and a 3rd model Dragoon. Bought both of them new when they came out.
@@duelist1954 Mike, Thanks for getting back to me on the 3rd generation Colts. Looking forward to your presentation. Generator John
I have and fire the Authentic/Signature Colts. The company that made the Signature Colts asked Colt if they could do it. Colt authorized them to do it. However, there was no oversight by Colt. Within the legal and spirit of the agreement, they are 'genuine' Colts.
They are 'Continuations of production'. They re n o t replicas nor reproductions.
There was some kind of weird problem with the quality control. A L O T of the Signature Colts are v e r y sloppily fit/finished. Some are e c e l l e n t !!!
Btw, Walkers (original) were not made by Colt either! However, the b i g difference is Colt a s k e d Whitney to make them. Whereas, CBAC asked Colt!
I very much like the matte wood grips and smaller frame compared to the over built Ubertis.
What? Uberti overbuilt? Uberti's are near exact to the originals. There's a reason the second gen 1860 Colts used Uberti barrels, cylinders, and backstrap.
How hard are these to find?? Prolly run me a grand. Still want one tho
Who supplied the grips?
Mike, I was wondering if they had cappers back in the day or if they had to cap them with their fingers.
They had cappers.
I had a ragged Iver Johnson single shot 12 gauge given to me by my grandpa. Someone got off with it.
Hey mike where can I get a hat like that? I like it
It was hand made for me by a guy named Lil Griz…I think you can find him on facebook
I would like to see the bad guys view of your sword videos.
I am not familiar with gun, but before installation of the cap, the gun powder won’t lack ?
nice video... but my Uberti Remington new army seems way more accurate out of the box.. and im a bum for real... love what you do..
Nice work as always !!! My question pertains to your brass accessories - I know as they are handled & over time they get a build up green scale - dirt & corrosion from the blackpowder. What do you wipe yours down with ? Having not shot our ( my daughters & mine ) stuff for a year at least a year. It looked pretty bad. Being as i have glass bead cabinet - thats where it all went. I left the texture on some items - then finished out the polish on others. I would think that oils on certain items would NOT be good - as it may interfere with the primers & powder.
I was wondering if you have a method - idea or suggestion !! Thank You !!
Clean and oil them and it's not a problem.
I don't do anything special. If you clean them they'll eventually get a duller patina, but that's all.
Clean with Flitz polish and then routinely apply Renaissance Wax.
well i gave a thumbs up alright, i even hammerd on my thumb to make it larger whaahaaa... but seriously, at what distance you made your shots?
15 yards
Mike, I'm GLAd to see that you put that last Outlaw Water Bottle Bandit out of his misery! He didn't deserve to live another day. 😂
You said you usually do tuning work and clean up, so I assume all Italian revolvers need some work out of the box, but I was wondering which Italian revolvers were better, Uberti or Pietta, I know that Uberti is usually more expensive, but I wanted to know if they're worth what they cost over Pietta.
T Hitsugaya I think Uberti are worth the premium
Does this history hold true for the Stainless Steel model 1860's? I have a Colt 2nd generation 1860 in stainless steel. Was it's manufacture path any different than the blued models?
What is the matching and barrel fit on yours? Mine is a bit tight
Mike urgent! HELP! I have a Colt Single Action from 1903 in 44-40. I had fired only a 20 round box through it and it worked just fine. Well I was just looking at it and I was just cocking it tonight and lowering the hammer slowly because I don’t think they should be dry fired correct me if I’m wrong. Well, suddenly it wouldn’t cock. The hammer can be pulled back just a little bit, I think just to the first of the four clicks. I tried taking the cylinder out a few times and I got it to cock all the way once then it got stuck again. It will cock all the way without the cylinder. So I tried taking it out again and put it back together and now the base pin is stuck. Please tell me what is wrong, whether you think I’ll need to go to a gunsmith, and whether you think it can easily be fixed. I sure hope so. When it is fixed is it recommended you not fire a gun that old a ton? Or is it fine to shoot it a lot? Thank you.
Without being able to examine it, I honestly have no idea. I'd take it to a gunsmith and get it checked out.
As much as I like my 1851 Navy I think the 1860 Army .44 is the ultimate Black Powder revolver.
You can see those bullets fly
That's why I always put a new gun on paper first so I know where it ts hitting. Just saying Mike.
Do they still sell the 2nd gen Colt 1860? If so, can you provide a link. Thanks
No they don't. You'll have to buy them on the collector's market.
Thank you sir.
Gettysburg Civil War Revolver 😁💪 nice greets from germany
Does the arbor fit the way they did on the original gun ? In other words, does the pin bottom out in its bore of the barrel ?
I know the Italian guns do not and the arbor is flat but originally the pin was domed and made to bottom out with the wedge in , pulling tight in the barrel .
Charley Folkes nope. Short arbors. The taper is a sloppy fit to say the least on my F series 51 Navy.
Mostly they are excellent. I have had and have the Authentic Colts and they are very good. I can tightly insert the wedge and there is no cylinder/forcing cone binding, and there is no barrel/wedge distortion. , after years of firing.
Two of my Signature Colts, not the case! I had to re-work them.
Why does't Colt make these now? I would love to have a pair of 1860 armys.
If I understand you right, the "Black Powder Series" are considered 2nd Gen Colts right?
Thanks,
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