How Weight Cutting RUINS the UFC | Biggest UFC Problem
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- čas přidán 4. 12. 2022
- Weight cutting is a problem in the UFC.
This past year was not the best reflection of the UFC’s weight system.
Charles Oliveira became the first UFC champion to lose his belt at the scale, We reshuffled the UFC 279 card because Khamzat Chimaev was unable to make weight, and we had quite the scare with Alex Pereira making weight opposite Israel Adesanya.
And there have been plenty of weight controversies in the past.
But at the root of the problem, is the fact that fighters feel obligated to cut 20, 30, 40 pounds, or more to gain an advantage in a weight class.
Oftentimes, the fighters dehydrate themselves to make weight, which, not only makes them look very ill, but it negatively affects their brain function and could be even more hazardous by affecting their performance during their fight.
One Championship in Asia has deterred fighters from cutting weight, by implementing hydration tests, which force you to compete at your natural weight.
This counteracts weight bullying and enhances fighter health, and while it’s not a perfect system, it is a step in the right direction.
But implementing a system like this would completely shake up the UFC’s weight classes and championship holders, which is unfortunate because
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DC had an amazing strategy to weight cutting
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As i said long time ago, UFC Bullshit Belt belongs to DC 😂🤣
@@skrzat7663 no one cares what you say now let alone a long time ago.
hold the towel!
@@skrzat7663 you weren't very smart long ago then
Bruh they finna open a 300lb division just so some of the heavyweights can fight
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I think they could do a super heavyweight class. There was some indications in the past that this could happen. Who knows, but the heavyweight division doesn't have such a problem so there is no reason.
Only reason some one would be above 265 lb is if they are obese or on steroids, if u want to watch obese fights watch sumo
@@VictorAGDTrades tai is obese. There are other obese heavyweights in the UFC, too. There shouldn't be a limit in the heavyweight division though, because there are guys like francis who barely make the 265 limit even though they have very little fat. He shouldn't have to cut weight just to fight at his natural size.
@@VictorAGDTrades are u dumb. Ngannou is over 265 he just has to weight cut
Judge: "before we weigh you, you gotta pee in this cup"
Fighter: "a drug test?"
Judge: "no, hydration test"
Fighter: _doesn't nervously sweat because he hella dehydrated_
Lol
Lmao just a blank stare as his skin dries and cracks by the second
Are there ways to cheat these tests? Just curious I assume there are always ways to get an edge no matter the method
@@LiterallyRiggtarded yup just cut weight before the hydration test then drink distilled water before they check. because of the lack of electrolytes your body starts pushing more water out of your system which dilutes your pee more making it appear you are hydrated. they only test for specific gravity. its comically easy to fool and everyone in one is doing it despite the bs"no weight cut" rules
Diuretics
No more weight cuts! Been saying it for years.
Who doesn’t love a fair fight
The Dagestani's wouldn't be winning anymore
It's been in boxing since it started. It's not going anywhere
@@johnsnowwww honestly who gives a shit what boxing is doing most of the bad things about UFC come from boxing like 10-8 scoring weight cutting etc.
I've never understood it, because while there are a few exceptions of guys like izzy or colby who cut very little weight, and a few exceptions like usman or periera who cut crazy weight, the vast majority of guys cut a very similar amount of weight, so at the end of the day you're basically going to have the same guys fighting eachother they're just going to be up a weightclass and they're going to be healthier and put on better performances
This way you find out if you’re a better fighter or you’re just bigger than the other guy!
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Fr though size makes a big ass difference 😮💨
Adesanya is the best example
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Not necessarily. He's more longer than bigger. His opponents still go into the fights being bigger than him. He just has a reach advantage.
@@zues3663 He don’t cut as much as other fighters. He fought 205 at under the weight limit.
Size makes a huge difference when everyone knows how to fight.
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Very true!!..
A real good point
Ultimate dehydration championship
It matters independent of skill tbh
In wrestling we had to get certified at our weight class. They weigh you in, then piss test for hydration, check your body fat percentage and determine how much weight you can healthily lose, which determines your lowest possible weight class. UFC should pick up on that to help protect its fighters.
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You're making it sound better than it was, we still weight cut and they did that only once all season. I hated the hydration test because I would always stress the night before, drink a ton of water and then need to pee so much I was stuck in pain for about an hour before. We had a guy that they said 160 was his lightest, they still let him compete at 152
I remember having to fight weight cutting lanklets.. so many lanklets.. looking like preying mantis with their long skinny arms.
My coach told me that the lightest I could compete at was 160 at 5’9. I decided to compete at 170 and and I got dropped on my head by this kid that had to be at least 6 feet tall because he tried to suplex me, but just threw me behind himself. I was the only person on the wrestling team to get knocked out.
No wonder Khabib retired 😂
I think checking water levels is perfect. It’s not fair when you cut your water and you go in there to fight at the same weight they told you to lose.
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It is fair when everybody does it 🤦♂️🤦♂️. Its not like theres a few people Who cut weight, every ufc fighter does it
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@@anon2916 that's absolute nonsense lmao. Some guys are cutting 30lb like khabib. Some are only cutting like 15lb like Porier. Then there's guys like Colby who don't even cut because it can take a toll on stamina. You don't know shit about any of this and are just making assumptions based off nothing.
@@ADSHYN forreal. They just need to weigh them the day of like they do in wrestling. Who tf gives a shit what you weighed a week ago? I want to see a 155lb guy fight for the 155lb belt, not some 180lb guy beating up on a guy who's 165.
I’ve always thought they should do hydration tests we did that shit in high school wrestling so they know we’re not in danger at our weight class
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I wish our high-school has something like that. I wasn't a wrestler and mainly because I'd see these athletic kids get so skinny they disgusted me.
Cry babies 👶🏼
@@Movnirecag who’s crying? 😂 I never claimed anyone to be a “weight bully” I’m just saying I agree it can be dangerous
Hydration tests dont work
in high school wrestling at least in ohio we have what’s called alpha testing which is basically the hydration test that one championship uses
Noice
Ohio lol
@@ZA-sy7dnhydration tests are pretty standard across all states in wrestling in high school and college. It's not an Ohio thing
High school also compete the same day they weigh in so it limits the amount you can cut without hurting yourself.
Yeah they didn't implement that untill a guy weight cutted and died from it in early 2000
This is exactly why I don’t care who makes or misses weight, a dehydration contest doesn’t interest me
They should just have weigh ins 30 minutes before the fight and that would solve this
I've legit thought the exact same thing. Costa against Vettori, Oliveira against Gaethje, etc, the weight miss didn't change my view of the fight or what it's implications ought to be in my world view. It's really just a dumb formality
Weight cutting = no russian fighters. They needs to take down using weight advantage. Khabib was 187 pounds, khamzat is 205 fighting at 170. Now if they fight at their weight none of the muslim fighters will shine. I mean imagine they do poorly at every field of sports expect weught bullying sports.
Explains why Khabib (the weight bully cheat) retired 😂
I'm not a wrestler, but one of my best friends growing up was. When he was in high school his coach dropped him off 5 miles away from his match because he was still a pound over and made him run it off to get there. This happened regularly. If that happens to kids with little on the line, imagine what these guys go through. It's all gotta stop.
That just sounds like child endangerment
@@hypnoticskull6342Running is child endangerment? Lmfao don't have kids.
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Forcing kids sweat multiple pounds off is child endangerment
@@hypnoticskull6342did your mom extend your curfew?
I like how Colby stays around his natural weight 185 then cuts to 70
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Why doesnt he fight middleweight then?
@@lionelrivera_MMA of course you didn’t know that. You made a video about cutting weight without any knowledge behind cutting weight
@@astek3 because he’d be at a huge disadvantage at the current system…he could most likely fight at 155…a lot of 155ers naturally weigh 190
@@astek3 he’s already a small welterweight lol
They should hold weigh-ins two hours before the fight and make it like a show. This way, no one will be willing to cut 30 40 pounds cuz no one can fight within two hours of completely starving themselves.
@@user-dj6ov2pn5x Then start punishing fighters for missing weight more.
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That’s a great idea , or even holding a weigh-in the day of the fight if it not being right before. If you forfeit or cancel then that’s how the ufc knows where there are actual fighters and just people cutting weight to win the weight class.
@@user-dj6ov2pn5x We get that already.
@@user-dj6ov2pn5x Secure a solid backup fighter for the main & co-main. Give them a free ticket to see the show if they're not required to participate.
Colby Covington said it best: he doesn't weight drain himself to fight smaller fighters & he stays close to his weight year round.. That's the professional way to do it!!
"Weight cut is an advantage"
"it affect your performance negatively"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
it can
Both can be true simultaneously.
It's an advantage in the body department. Makes you inherently bigger, heavier and stronger than your opponent.
It affects your performance in the health and brain departments. Remember that the brain is mostly made of water, and weight-cutting can be literally lethal.
@@GoodAvatar-ut5pq They really can't. If your performance is NEGATIVELY affected, it means you're performing worse, not better. There's no advantage to performing worse. It's just an advantage.
It's bad for your health, not your performance.
@@colecampbell1906 It most certainly can be both.
That's *why* so many fighters do it.
Khabib and McGregor and Lesnar all had massive weight cuts so they could fight against significantly smaller opponents.
It's a huge advantage to be notably bigger and more muscly than your opponents.
*On the other hand* , dropping that much weight in that short a time has obvious, severe health problems, not everyone can do it, and it's easy to notice when fighters are gassing out *wayyy* too quickly.
So.... Obviously, it can be both. Weight cutting has clear advantages *and* severe drawbacks.
Simultaneously.
Weight cutting is a problem starting with amateur wrestling in high school and then falling into every other combat sport. If you can't do it at your natural weight you're not doing it fare
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Not fare huh?
@@jonapp1199your smart and cool I wanna be like u when I grow up
@@THIRTEENTH13TH *You're*
Maybe you should try to be more like Jon. Would you rather people think you're a "Grammar nerd"...or an idiot? There's nothing cool about ignorance, don't be proud of it.
Ngannou would be extra extra heavyweight lmao
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Yeah!! you only thought of Ngannou you couldn't think of any one else, typical!!🙄
@@alexkorami6679 who else to name but the largest heavyweight in ufc clown. What is ur problem
@@alexkorami6679 facts
Wonder why you chose him
As a wrestler who used to cut weight it's definitely one of the worst things to experience. Not eating or drinking for days at a time while still having to train. Being dehydrated. Then come competition time you're weak & feel like crap.
You have zero clue what you're talking about. You never wrestled based on your comment, because none of it is factual at all, lmao.
You never go days without eating and drinking, and a huge majority of weight cutting is done once training is over, in the final 7-10 days before the fight, but without training. It's more pushing to lose weight at that point and nothing about training.
Whatever weight you walk around at is what you fight at, period.
*walk into the cage at. Someone walking around 185 during peak boorgers off-season can easily be 170 at the end of training camp before starting a weight cut
I’ve held this opinion for quite some time but never thought it had a chance of changing
Yeah :/
Weigh ins should be morning of fight day with a 4 hour window to make weigh. After that time expires and your not on weight there should be a 50% purse deduction going to the opponent. Boom problem solved.
reading what you wrote physically hurts my brain. so after weigh ins their purse is deducted....for what reason? Are you just typing s*** without even knowing what you're saying?
It’s their choice to do so you may have a size advantage but you give up your health in order to gain that advantage. There shouldn’t be anything in place restricting this just a higher fine if weight is missed
How many fights are happening where one of the commentators says "wow they look so much bigger than the other fighter"
Enough
Just fight at your normal weight. Damn near dying just to have the size advantage is wild.
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However its worth it to get the belt even tho its not totally fair
So what. Its a warrior mentality - that's what the ufc is about
@@jka3062 fighting someone smaller in weight to gain advantage=warrior mentality
They are experienced fighter for sure and can beat almost all the average humans and have the guts to step in the cage with chances of death to win give them the props for that but fighting someone smaller by cutting weight to gain advantage thats not warrior like
@@Based.- Theirs barely any real warriors in todays modern world. It’s all fulled with weight bullies, cherry pickers, and the “Hit but not get hit” weenies. Nun of these clowns will step to somebody they know stands a chance.
This is a problem that filters right down to elementary school. I remember seeing guys on the wrestling team walking around like zombies..
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Tbf, ufc fighters dont fight the same day as weigh ins
Yea it definitely starts with wrestling
@@seanpaulmagbanua745 its still a problem
Just make them weigh in 30 minutes before the actual fight happens
That's the best system, if you're 20lbs dehydrated and have no energy for the fight, you don't deserve to win.
so then they will weigh in at roughly their natural weights because there's no way they will cut weight 30 minutes before a fight and fight drained and dehydrated. So it will be impossible for them to weigh in at the same weights, which means that one fighter will have an advantage over another. At least with weight cutting both Fighters weighed the same the day before. Your solution is just making the problem worse. The best solution is to take the big weight cutters and force them to move up a weight class. It's that simple. The only other solution is to have a weight class for every 5 lb which will be ridiculous. Basically everybody on the roster will have a championship belt. in the end, you will always have one fighter that has some weight advantage over his opponent in just about every fight. Like I said there's no way around that other than to have a weight class for every 5 lbs. People come in different sizes and weights that's just the way it is. If there were to be more weight classes all you would see is the same three or four people constantly fighting each other which is boring as hell.
Paulo costa enters the chat 😭
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Secret juice bro
@@xyzmediaandentertainment8313 I will never forget when he fought the orc king Marvin vettori at 185 and was too lazy to cut weight so he decided to show up at like 210 how come people don’t bring that shit up more 😭🤣
@@eddyloko004 and then blamed it on Marvin somehow lmfao
@@massivemagoo 😭🤣🤣🤣Marvin was so confused
Khamzat : why did it work out for u DC ?? 🌝
DC : ... it just worked , bro 🌜
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As a wrestler hydration testing was very helpful for limiting the most extreme weight cutting. Though a good amount was still allowed even with that. Another thing I think should be changed to help with weight bullying is having same day weigh ins like wrestling does. That way the people cutting a ton of weight have much less time to put the weight back on, and they’re going to be way more likely to fatigue because they haven’t recovered from the cut as much. This creates a good equalizer to make up for the size difference.
Khabib thru his iPhone away like it was going to explode when he saw this reel
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Bruh khabib fought close to his natural weight, Connor was the real weight bully
@@readyplayerone5050 they both were weight bullies
If there doing that there’s gotta be like a super heavyweight class
Big boy club
that's because they are weight bullies that dont want to fight at their actual weight class
This is how you know Joe Rogan has never competed in his life. It’s not cheating if you make the weight
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Joe has most definitely competed you're just a 🤡
The fighters should adapt what GSP did. He fights at 170 but keeps his weight at around 180 when he's not fighting. Proper diet and eating habits all day long.
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ONE FC champions also lost their belt on the scale due to missing weight. it’s the whole sport not just the UFC
Yup
Every combat sport at that. Not just MMA...
The olivera situation was and still is arguably a faulty scale. The guy weighing people in was making the process look horrible (he was banging the weights back and forth, and was calling weights for some fighters before the scales stopped). Olivera never had issues at 155 before, all his weight misses were at 145 before this. It's probably the worst example because the UFC added security at the scales after this event. It kind of nodded to the idea that they knew the scales were fucked. To give an idea, I believe 21 fighters all weighed .5 over championship level weight, one of those was Tony Ferguson (bro barely ever weighed in over 155).
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Respect to the fighters for not only entered the octagon but cutting a large amount of weight in a hell fashion way.
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You do PEDs once and those gains last with you forever weight cutting only help 1 fight at a time. But I agree with the point that weight cutting is a issue.
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That's if you keep working out. If all you do is just lay around you'll lose all your gains.
@@gordonharper9126 the muscle cell and size of myonuclei is permanently altered.
Gains lost to an extent but there are permanent changes.
@@gordonharper9126 muscle memory is real
Joe literally counters this argument every event he is on by saying everyone with a big cut gets winded late in fights. Periera and Du Plessi or however you spell it. He is often wrong on that take as well
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Props to Alex Pereira for not towel gating like DC and held his hands up for everyone to see
@@TheArccoreI don’t understand. What are talking about? What happened with DC?
That’s not really countering the argument? They still come out with an advantagev
@@realtalkboxing. DC grabbed the towel in a weigh in when he was definitely above weight for the fight he was in
They should roll up on fighters like USADA and randomly check their weight throughout the year and then TELL the fighter what weight class they will be fighting in
I like that idea
20 - 40 lbs? Crazy thought. Moreno fighting at lightweight, Volk fighting at Welterweight, Burns fighting at LHW
I've personally never been a fan of huge weight cuts. With wrestling or fighting I always preferred to stay pretty close to my walk around weight. I always felt so much better only dropping a few lbs than trying to cut like 20. I mean they even have hydration tests for high school wrestlers so its kinda nuts to not have them at the apex of combat sports. Also if you're losing because of 10 lbs you were probably going to lose anyway... its obviously not always the case it can definitely sometimes matter but I mean look at light HW and HW they are two divisions where people actually fight inside the weight range rather than barley making it by a lb and looking like a corpse... Idk fighters just always look and seem to perform their best at their correct weight it would be really interesting to see how the weight classes would be shaken up if it was implemented.
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The hydration test is a must
Facts
Should be a thing but sadly they would probably lose money an that’s a no no lol
Finally they are talking about that, this can move UFC way better times.
The UFC would never do this, it will completely ruin all the divisions specially the most stacked and popular ones like 155 and 170.
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Cyborg struggled like mad and it was obvious when she fought
Yeah it was bad
Nunes does it 2...and valentina doesent...look at their fights valentina beat her the 2nd time and probably weighd 25 pounds less
@@pullmynibletsNo she did not beat her.
Simple if you miss weight once you have go up a weight or make more weight classes
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Just increese the weight for 25 pounds in every category and force the fighter hit the scale on the hour of fight, if you don't hit you lose
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Fighters should fight in the correct weight class. Not starve and dehydrate themselves so they can go down a class and have a potential advantage against their opponent.
i agree
It’s not cheating when it’s allowed and everybody can do it.
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I wanna see guys fight at a similar weight like how they were at the weigh ins. 155 weigh in should be around 155 fighting, not 185
its not cheating but its dumb as fuck
Would be interesting to see how weight divisions looked if u had to weigh in on fight day
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You would be putting the fighters in a worse position…fighters would still cut weight but now since they had to make weight fight day they have little to no time to rehydrate. Putting their brain in a more vulnerable situation. So it wouldn’t be good imo
@endosmoka420 yea but it would be their choice to do that. I just wanna see fights where the fighters actually weigh the same on fight day
@@TheHoppySr do you also want to watch somebody die in the cage? Because that is what would happen. I would rather fighters be as hydrated as possible by the time they fight because fighting itself is dangerous enough. Plus there is evidence the system you want doesn’t work in boxing also.
@@TheHoppySr and use your logic of “it’s their choice” but apply it to the size/weight of their opponent. You think these fighters don’t know how big or small somebody is? Or roughly how much weight they probably cut? BEFORE they sign a fight?
It's their choice, they can fight at their own natural weight. Pereira was clearly a weight class above Izzy for instance whatever magic was pulled on the scales
They can choose to do that but they give up a lot
I heard about how One Championship does it and I'm all for it. How you gonna say you're in the 155 division when you're actually fighting at 180
They cut weight in One. The hydration test is there to ensure that they have enough fluids in their body to protect their brains.
Or make more belts. I mean if they had belts for competitions with more room for natural body Weight that'd be cool to see.
I agree
Limit them to 20 pound weight cuts from the normal weight they carry
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Pereira would deadass become a heavyweight and he supposed to be a middleweight 😭😭
the ufc should make fighters fight at their natural weight class
How do you measure natural
It's not cheating. I'm with Chael on this one
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Even if it isnt cheating, its still bullshit
@@mastertrey4683Not really every fighter cuts weight.
It's absolutely not on a higher scale than PEDs hahaha Bro Jogan at it again
By definition cheating means something that's against the rules. It's a sanctioned advantage.
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I think he means it’s effectively cheating not in the traditional sense. And under that definition of cheating it would be at a bigger scale than PEDs because every fighter doesn’t do PEDs but every fighter does cut weight in some form.
@@endosmoka420 so how can it be cheating if everyone is doing that’s fucking stupid cheating gives one person an unfair advantage not everyone
@@Slickgary007 what about what I said makes you think I said weight cutting is cheating? Didn’t I explain what I thought Joe meant by calling it cheating?
It's a problem when Periera did it but when Khabib, Usman, Costa, and DC did the same it wasn't a big deal.
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We will never forgive those responsible for stripping the championship from Do Bronx
Alex was 211 lbs against Izzy and he was 217 against Strickland. Izzys highest fight night weight is 203 lbs
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source?
@@JayBe443 he has none, he's lying lmao. Izzy literally weighs about the same as him, people are just talking out their asses because Joe Rogan had a dumbass hissy fit over it.
@@colecampbell1906 even if that was true being less than 15lbs bigger isn’t that much of an advantage people are out here acting like he’s 30lbs heavier than him or some dumb shit. Joe is starting to lose all credibility with the stupid shit he’s been saying about mma recently
@@Slickgary007 well I mean 15lb can make a pretty big difference, but usually that's more in the grappling department. It wouldn't make much of a difference for striking like they were doing though.
i think the divisions are so shook up at this point it could be a massive marketing benefit for the UFC to legit clean slate all the divisions and implement a system like this
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Do you and anybody else reading this actually understand how things work? The UFC cannot just “clean slate” they have to lobby athletic commissions who regulate them. The athletic commission would have to implement the system and punishments since they issue the license to the fighter to actually fight. Weight cutting is not a simple thing to solve.
This + the different combat formats are why I think ONE is the future of MMA
ONE has really good production quality too
the solution would be to get every fighter on the UFC roster's weight once every 2 weeks. the average weight over the previous 12 weeks will determine the current eligible weight class. this way theres no way the fighter can cheat the system with dieting or cutting because the weigh ins are too frequent and consistent. there will still be a weight cut before fights to ensure fair competition for both fighters, but the eligible weight class will ensure that fighters cant cut 20 or 30 pounds leading up to his fight.
example: if a fighter's 12 week average weight is 185 then he cannot fight at 170, and has to fight middleweight. if its 184 then he can cut to 170 for a contracted fight.
now of course some fighters will watch their weight consistently to stay in their desired weight class, but this rule will make monster weight cutting a thing of the past. there will only be moderate - light cuts, because the 12 week rule makes all the monster cutting impossible
lmao joe needs to put the pipe down talkin bout it being worse than using PED's lol. Kinda weird he never had a problem with it when it was Khabib or Chimaev, or even Izzy, but now when Izzy loses it's a problem.
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I hate to tell you but you’re a complete idiot, joe has mentioned his stand on this years ago, guessing your a casual mma fan who is the actual one only caring because a recent fight you saw brang it up? He has always said ‘weight cutting is cheating that everybody agrees to’ give or take something within those lines, it’s cheating but because they allow it and still pay you if you do it, who cares
So it's fair for Pereira? One wrong doesn't cancel the other
@@Candies69as it fair when izzy was towering over Whitaker because he won't fight at 205?
@@IsaacMSingleton1 towering over is different to sizing over, Izzy at max would reach 200-205, Alex normally cuts from 225, who knows 230-235 as well, pretty ignorant comment
bro i’m 15, 6’3.5 and 188lbs.
when i’m fully grown i’ll be like 210lbs or something i wouldn’t ever move down keep what u are
No one asked what’s your weight and height, boy 🥴
What
@@margad-erdenemaksim2745 haha calm down buddy your names margad gtfo of here 😂
@@lionelrivera_MMA wouldn’t ever weight cut as it’s unhealthy 🤦♂️
Than you will never compete past a high school level. If you want to win you will cut some weight. As long as it's allowed than anyone that doesn't will be at a huge advantage.
There is a simple yet elegant solution; weigh the fighter the day of the fight and have HUGE penalties for missing weight. Problem instantly solved.
A big problem is a lot of people have ideas on how to solve this issue, but to get any rule changes to experiment with what works and doesnt work takes ages to impliment, then needs at least a year of collected data before we can even decide if its even working.
Its been like years watching this sport and still I can't understand what is weight bullying
weight bullying is when you weigh like 20,30, more pounds than the weight class u fight in, they will lose them 20-30 pounds to make weight at the weigh in then after the weigh in they put them 20,30, pounds back on for example say their a middle weight they will weigh in at 185 then on fight night be 215-220 which is heavyweight so their not fighting in their actual walk around weight class which means their a weight bully because they would rather cut 20-30 pounds to fight natural smaller people instead of fighting people who walk around the same weight as them without cutting weight
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@@PJBANDITS this is what I assumed it meant but I had a lot of confusions in mind, thanks bro appreciated
This basically makes Alex a weight bully, he was already weighing 200 Pounds man
@@PJBANDITS I don’t see anything wrong with that. Cutting that weight is painful and
@@PJBANDITS isn't the weigh-in like days before the fight? So how does one gain 20-30 pounds in a few days?
Fighters like Khabib, Khamzat and even Jon Jones always cut a large amount of weight to fight in a weight class where they don't belong
Why do u say they don't belong?
@@lionelrivera_MMA because if you look at someone like Peirera (even though he was not mentioned above) he was like 200+ in fight night ... wtf they gain some of that weight in the cage no matter what anyone says they look like skeletons in weigh in but looks a lot better in the cage.
Kebob cuts same amount weight as dustin, gaethje or other 155.
Funny you dont mentiln Patty batty who cuts way more.
@@zoro8117 that shows you how cowardly khabib, Dustin, paddy and justin is
@@janidu2002 everybody cuts weight, tool
Instead of weight cutting the fighter who doesnt make weight takes the L on their record. Health be in check and have the best of both fighters for the fight and will make fighters to compromise in camp. If need to cut they will have to change diet and focus more on cardio ect. If fail to make weight the first time they take the L plus a little fine or something. Think that could help solve cus sometimes I feel like some fighters deliberately fail to make weight to get out of fights. These are professionals with the best training camps. If cant make weight the first time they get punished. If feel like they wont make weight in time don't accept the fight. When fighters fail to make weight its the fans that suffer aswell not just the their opponent. Not getting the best of the fighter on the night or have to cancel the fight
Absolutely! Let people fight in their natural weight class and then name those classes accordingly.
they don't force you to fight to fight at any weight class. it's the fighters job to chose a weight class you can actually make without hurting your body.
but the system isn't great
Nah it does because if you actually fought at your weight, you would be fighting against people who walk around 30 pounds heavier than you and cut all that for the fight.
Put the scale at the entrance to the cage, if u miss weight u still have to fight, but your opponent gets 100% of your purse.
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This has to be one of, if not the stupidest take I've ever seen. Please tell me you're kidding.
That’s a good idea other then the 100% of their purse. Should take half of their purse and not be able to keep the belt even if they win
@@MesooKree nah you’re a professional, you have months of prep and you still couldn’t make weight? Absolute slap to the face to your opponent who did his job properly. Only excuse is if it was short notice
100% is so outta here no one is fighting for free bro hate to break it you
Jon jones LITERALLY CARVED OUT THE PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES REQUIRED TO WIN 205LBS. STRAP & KEEP IT.
APPROX. 6'3 - 6'6. REACH 79"-85"
it was hot potato before BONES JONES
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Get professional help
I hope we start seeing fighters fighting at there walking weight in the very near future.
This needs too happen in the ufc people pay to watch fights natural weight 100%
I DESPISE weight cutting. In highschool we had a VERY serious wrestling program, and our coach expected no excuses when it came to making weight. I remeber wearing a trash bag under my sweat suit and spitting amd trying to poop ALL DAY to squeeze out ounces. Its misserable and my performance showed this... as an adult I took up jujitsu, and when I got into competing I refused to roll outside of my standard weight and noone made me. And I do much better and have much more energy.
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Joe says nothing about Islam weight bullying but when Izzy looses he brings it up
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@@hellofellowhumans9353 if khabib fought people his size he would get dominated
@@hellofellowhumans9353 guys at welterweight are 20 pounds heavier than khabib, they also cut weight, tool, you guys know sh1a7 about weight cutting
@@riperboyxl3216 you don’t know anything, casual. Sit down, kid.
@@hellofellowhumans9353 go look up fighter weights on fight night. All 155rs weigh between 175 and 180 on fight night. That includes khabib.
If they want to fighters to stop cutting weight they need more weight classes
They should make a maximum weight cut allowed from natural hydration levels. Like 15 lbs or something
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I like a percentage of your walk around weight. Like 90%
You weigh 200 lbs out of competition? You can't compete below 180 lbs.
its much higher cheating than PED's? Lmao i love when Joe gets passionate about a subject and makes a ridiculous statement.
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Fighting is so hard... and they came with a way to make it even more difficult
This is a problem beyond the ufc
Highschool wrestling teams have this issue
Jujitsu tourneys have this issue. This is a much deeper rooted issue
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Rogan is suddenly against this now that Izzy lost
He's always been against it
@@lionelrivera_MMA was he saying that when 6’4 Izzy beat Whittaker?
@@Matthew-rc1xt Whut? What does being 6'4 have to do with anything? You can be 6'4 and weight 160.. your point is?
@@E2O10 Izzy doesn’t weight 160lbs. Izzy is actually a pretty built dude. And 6’4 is relevant cuz taller guys often hold more weight
@@Matthew-rc1xt that goes to Sean O Malley more than Izzy, Izzy's frame is pretty thin he's just tall. You don't make sense lol
This is exactly why i don’t cut weight, or fight.
Lol
ONE FC has the weight class game on lockdown. All promotions should adopt this method.
Have the fighters weigh in before the walk out. If we can expect them to be just precisely dehydrated to death's door to be a certain weight a day before the fight, we can expect them to be whatever their ideal fighting weight is when it's time to fight. Move all the classes up, everyone generally ends up fighting the same opponents (LHW and HW may get a little squirrelly though hopefully it finally leads to new weight classes), and fighters can perform better, be more active, have longer careers, and have better health in retirement. Otherwise just accept that weight cutting will always be a thing and quit whining about it.
If it is sanctioned, its not cheating.
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This is why I love stipe miocic. He's small enough to compete at light heavy weight and could do well there but instead he competes at his natural weight at heavy weight.
This is why BJ Penn is still the greatest 155 for me. Guys like GSP cut crazy weight to get to 170. But he was too afraid to go up to 185 when Anderson was there.
Issue is the weight cutting hydration testing can be avoided and pretty easily at that. And it's extremely unhealthy to do so, but fighters will because it gives them a massive edge. There are some great videos with in depth research on this on youtube.
It's very difficult to stop and there's no system that works right now.
You can fight at any weight If you're the greatest fighter, if not than don't fight at all
That loop was horrendous bro😂😂
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Getting on the scale right before the fight is the easiest way. It's better for the athletes
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Definitely need to compete at natural weight
One Championship has more evenly matched fights than the UFC does.