PSA EV1813M - Move over SVS? + REW Measurements
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2023
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Is bigger better when it comes to Subs like this or are they simply just BIGGER? Today we take a look at a fairly large Sub from PSA that didnt disappoint, included some REW measurements as well.
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Ive been in this hobby since the 1990's and probably had 25-30 subs throughout that time including building a few of my own. This PSA EV1813-M is my favorite and overall best performing. I recently had 4 sealed subs in my living room, but even those could not match the output, quality or impact that this single 18" can do. I had also tried 3 RSL subs, one 12s and two 10s calibrated with my Denon 3800. Even those lacked the midbass punch of the PSA and could not energize the room the way the PSA. Ill eventually add a 2nd for symmetry and even out the seat to seat room response but not for a lack of output.
Woow! This sub seems to behave like a bass monster! Could you please tell me about this speaker sensitivity? Do you need turn this sub too much up on back knob, to reach the level of satisfying bass you like? And what about the volume on receiver?
@@jlsnr - Trust me, all of PSA's subs are like this. I have two older S3000i's that each house two 15" subs in a dual opposed configuration and they shake my entire house and couch!!! It is professional theater grade, but they even go lower than actual movie theaters!!! 😲
@@WillieDWashington, great! It's good to know that they use this kind of high sensitivity in all lineup!
Good on you for matching cherry speakers with your floor
Recently got the PSA EV1813m subwoofer and it's everything you said. It's a phenomenal subwoofer.
Why pick the EV1813 over the TV18-F?
really great review Matt, I will be buying at least one of these and probably 2 based on what I have seen elsewhere and your articulate and unapologetic review of these. Thank you for all you do. :)
You know it!
Thanks for the videos. Always welcome.
Thanks for watching as well!
Great info!! Have you ever listened to the PSA S3000I?
Wow Matt, my subs all feel inadequate and turned their heads in shame. What a monster!
It’s a beast for sure
Nice, I bet that sub was fun to play with!
I just ordered 2 sealed HSU uls 15's yesterday. I hope they are what I'm looking for 🤞
Sounds like a good time, now the waiting game for them to arrive.
1 month later what you think about the HSU ULS 15?
@@demonreturns4336 I love them. No regrets. Great for music and movies alike. Although I found their limits on accident with high volume use. I wish they had a built-in limiter. Set on eq-2, which is full low frequency extension, they can be maxed out in the low frequencies if you're not careful, which was expressed on the Audioholics review of the uls-15. If you have a heavy bass addiction and a large room, I'd maybe opt for the svs sb16 ultra's if more output is needed. Or just get multiple uls-15's. But for most people I think they will be great as is. If you need more specifics, just let me know.
Good review. I have one PSA XS-30se and two PSA S3000i subs in my setup. If I upgrade PSA is the only brand I would consider.
PSA makes a solid sub, I wish I still had it around.
“I like the cars, the cars that go boom.” I love subs ❤ it just has to fit the sound you’re going for.
I don’t mind a good boom either but I have certainly toned it down.
Hi Matt: Excellent review ... always be critical and lets see more tests!
And Props to you for specifying 75db. That's pretty darned loud but should not be enough to cause permanent hearing loss, which begins about 80 to 85 dba.
I had to laugh at the video of the car window getting ready to explode. Whenever this comes up I'm always reminded of a service call I got a few years ago.
"My system is losing bass more and more all the time."
So I get to his house and everything is vibrating like it's in an earthquake.
"My friend, your system isn't losing bass ... you're losing your hearing".
So I showed him how to balance a sub-woofer with his audio system and went on my way.
The alarming thing is the customer you assisted with their sub tuning likely thought the proper balance was worse. I mean I can appreciate a little bump in the lower frequencies especially for home theater but to the point of hearing loss is another story all together.
@@MattCoykendall1
Given his obvious hearing loss, I'm sure he thought it was worse. I like a little extra kick for special effects in movies too... like +3db on the EQ or a little twist of the tone controls... but that was absurd and he was doing it to his kids and wife too.
I've personally never felt the need for a discrete sub-woofer. My game is to tweak my towers so they do it for me.
@@Douglas_Blake_579 It takes exponentially more DB level to damage your hearing the lower the frequency. 85 DB isn't even close to damage at like 40hz for example. Someone can be blasting 20hz at 150 db and it's not causing any damage. But yah all the other frequencies definitely don't go above 85 long term.
@@justinbeamon6624
The lowest frequencies cause the most movement of the ear drum ... and are in fact far more likely to be harmful.
As I pointed out, above ... In the last couple of years before my retirement, sub-woofers were becoming more popular. I sometimes got service calls from people complaining "My system is losing bass". When I would get there, the whole darned house would be shaking because the sub-woofer was turned all the way up. Their systems weren't losing bass ... they were losing their hearing.
Check the industrial noise standards in just about any country and you will see.
Why is it that group delay is not a metric most sub manufacturers include in their specifications?
I just got a TV2112 and it is awesome!
I have no doubts thats true, great subs.
Flat to 13 hz with REW in my room. It totally changed the experience in my room.
@@Muskyfishn84I too recently got 2 TV2112M subs for my theater. Tell me please, are you expecting more mid bass than really deep low bass like i am? Not sure what I’m doing wrong. It’s worth mentioning that I have them set as near field right behind my theater seats and 2 SVS PB16 Ultras at front of theater. The SVS PB16 Ultras dig Wayy deeper in low frequencies compared to the PSA subs. It should be the opposite but for some reason this is my experience. Any advice is appreciated
Must be where they are placed. My 2112 is flat to 13 hz and the -3 db point is 10, -6 is at 7 hz. Set room size to large on the sub. These dig way deeper than SVS could ever imagine to, and with more output. I have hit 132 dB with a single 2112 in my room at 25 hz. The pb16 will not get to 120. With 4 subs, did you time align them all?
@@Muskyfishn84 how do I time align them? I ran room correction with Audyssey from Marantz AV8805A but not sure if that will do it.
I think this will be my next sub
I truly believe you will be impressed
@@MattCoykendall1 I actually pre ordered the ev1513m instead of this one getting duals
that is one impressive subwoofer, but i like the 21" sealed version for the same price better, and eq to get lower bas extension if i have the overhead.
do not know when the ported 18" rolls off, the website do not have a performance graph yet.
i really expect 10hz with good output level from these.
built a 21" sealed way back, those pa drivers sound impressive, i rather have larger drivers with less excursion.
and a note on the review: would like to see you do a 10 15 20 hz tone and your impression how low and loud the subwoofer go.
Thanks for the testing notes, I could expand on that area. I am curious about the 21” models, may do a build.
Nice!
Thanks!
How hard did you push them? Any chuffing?
Ported designs are great for HT…but I hate chuffing below 20hz with high output.
These were great for that, didn’t experience anything audible
Good review. I can contest that a sub really opens up your main speakers. I don't own a sub yet but I demoed some speakers with and without a sub and the sub really opened up the imaging of the tower speakers to the point of vanishing. It was really cool.
Hey, do you still like and have your KLH Model 5? I loved them too and almost got them but the Sonus Faber Lumina 5 stole my heart a little more. KLH is supposed to come out with the Model 7, they announced that when I was demoing the Model 5 and that was part of the reason I went with the Sonus Faber. I can't wait for the Model 7 to come out and I like to compare it against the Klipsch Forte IV and the Sonus Faber Sonetto Vlll.
PS: any idea how to get sound stage depth? I heard setting up the speakers along the short wall with a good 3 ft space between it and the front wall does the job, fact or fiction?
Thanks
Hey! I do still have the Model 5, I still think its a fantastic speaker. I am excited for the 7 as well and have reached out to them to see if I will be able to get in a review sample, we will see... As for the soundstage your spot on discussing the placement, thats 90% of the battle, pulling them out does help at the expense of low end extension so you need to find that healthy balance. I would suggest checking out the channel New Record Day, he has a lot of good speaker set up video's.
Thanks Matt. I too have been writing KLH just out of curiosity and not as a professional Reviewer. BTW, I would love any suggestions on how to start my own review channel for stereo review. What recording gear, (camera, lights, recording monitors, etc) do you use and/or recommend? Do I begin by purchasing my own speakers, amps, etc and review them then seek out sponsors? How do I get companies to send me gear to review, is this a result of getting my channel out there and they will contact me or do I contact companies and ask them if I can review their gear? Thanks
Measurements? I wonder if standard measurements are just with one frequency at a time. Could multiple frequencies cause some weird harmonics? Or decay?
Rew tests all frequencies between the lowest and highest you specify... that's what the graph plots... the level of each frequency tested.
Like Douglas mentioned, its a sweep across the frequency ranges you input into the software.
_"Could multiple frequencies cause some weird harmonics? Or decay?"_
The answer is "Yes" ... but that is a normal artifact of mixing multiple frequencies together. In fact, it is expected behavior in music and music reproduction.
I’d pick a PSA sub over SVS any day. SVS has that super nice finish and their app but the performance lags behind PSA. I don’t mind the extra effort in getting a sub well integrated if it means better performance.
They are located about 40 minutes away from my residence... I did not know that!
Maybe you can get a shipping discount haha, they weigh a ton.
@@MattCoykendall1 Agreed 😁
Recently got a PSA TV36ipal (dual18) w/4000 watt amp upgrade. It's pretty nuts.
Well now I’m jealous haha enjoy it!
@@MattCoykendall1 thanks for the video btw, there should be more videos out there about PSA. Maybe I'll make a short one on mine
Do it !
Recently picked up 2 TV18F-M after seeing still blues’ review. Wouldn’t call them a school bus, I’d say more like pickup trucks 😂. They stay flat down to about 7 hz in my space & they rattle everything, windows included!!! I don’t go very loud for very long but these subs ring true with that old saying. It’s better to have too much (power) & not need it than to need it & not have it! I will tell anyone willing to listen to try PSA subs & put them up against any of the SVS & JTR subs & you’ll see they can run with them any day & my whole system is a full 9.4 Jtr, the 4 being heights. after seeing the measurements of these compared to the JTR’s, they were pretty much exactly the same and I got two for the price of one JTR sub. No brainer!!!
i ended going with 2x single 18s in a 7.5cuft net 14k watt amp, even with rubber feet isolation everything shakes in the open floor living room
In the end ... There is no Replacement for Displacement.
The lack of high level/ speaker level input is disappointing. That really is the best way to connect a sub for two channel music.
I use speaker level as well with a pair of Sumiko subs on my 2 channel setup and standard LFE channel for home theater.
There are speaker to RCA level adaptors you can buy, rather cheaply, on most of the online vendors.
No compression, burst, or distortion data... Thanks for taking the time to make a video but it wasn't very informative.
So they aren't all made in Ohio?
You are correct, the M models enclosure is made and finished in China but the amplifier and everything else involved is still assembled in Ohio. The non M models are fully built/assembled in Ohio.
All products are assembled in Ohio. Anything with the M suffix = matte cabinet. The cabinet itself comes from china but the end product(speaker or subwoofer) is still completely assembled, measured/QCed, boxed, and shipped from Ohio.
@@MattCoykendall1so are the boxes made in Ohio better built ?
This doesn’t have the xmax to compete with any serious 18, maybe this is best only for low volumes? Sensitivity doesn’t compensate for displacement.
This has been said many times but proven wrong. The TV series can achieve very clean high SPL down to 10hz in room. My TV1813s certainly do.
I recently purchased their newest product, the TV18F-M. Thank God I have a pickup truck because it came to the house on an 18 wheeler. It's by far larger than any sub I've ever owned(rythmik e15hp2,Arendal 1961 1v,Kef Kc62). My wife calls it a monstrosity but guess what as King of the household I say it stays.😤🫅
How has it performed so far? Any thoughts in comparison to the other brands mentioned?
Compared with the Rythmik, it has more bass output as it should being ported. It is a beast with movies. The rythmik on the other hand plays a thousand times cleaner thanks to that servo. It and the kef are a staple in my 2-channel system. Believe it or not, the Arendal can go toe to toe with the PSA from 25hz to around 50hz(together they are formidable). And well, the Kef as good as it is stand no chance against the other three.❤
I've been really curious about the ferrite woofers over their b&c pro drivers. Reportedly extremely similar performance for a much lower pricepoint. It's $600 less for a pair of ev18f's vs ev1813's!
@@reiniku5830this is my debate at the moment. B&C or save $600 and go with the Ferrite.