Building a FAST ELECTRIC BIKE (With a 1500W Conversion Kit) | Trek Mountain Bike
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- A complete build guide/process on An Electric Bike I recently converted that has a top speed of 66 KPH & 55-kilometre range
The final product has a top speed of 66 kilometres per hour and a 50-kilometre range. I used an Aliexpress eBike conversion kit with a direct drive hub motor. I decided on a direct drive as they provided a more reliable and durable system. The battery pack used is a 17.5 amp hour 13s battery with Samsung 35E cells in a hailong battery case.
Link to the Kit Used in the Video: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkL...
Link to the Battery Used in the Video: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DCp...
Build Time (including CAD, Metal Work, Assembly): 51 hours
Cost: Somewhere near $1300 including the bike itself
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Watch the (1 year later) UPDATE VIDEO to this project. The video highlights a few of the comments people have voiced in the comment section of this video, the problems I ran into and things I would have done differently. Feel free to check it out!
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Half way through the video now and have to say thank you, so much great information is being given that isn't usually passed on. kudos on the controller holder its a great idea and as well as the need for more washers between the motor and frame.
Absolutely! Glad you enjoyed the video 😄
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such a wizard with fusion 360. keep up the creative work!
Ultra hardcore DIY with metal works and a bit of engineering. Props.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
awesome work! channel deserves more subs!
I too live and vancouver and built an ebike during my senior year back in 2013, the last clip you biked by Burnaby mountain secondary was my school. My specs are crystalyte hs motor running at 25 amps with regen, single gear set up, 100t front (custom) 11t rear, 17 ah ( recent upgrade, with double grin torque arm v2 which I got from their shop back when they start at their original location, the bike lasts man, even for someone like me who s not nearly as bright and careful as you, they last! No problem after 9 years of aggressive riding.
plz make a video about it
This video looks like it should be from a subscriber with atleast 100k subs. Very nice, clean and to the point work with some good editing.
Glad you liked it!
after saw your video， I would like to get one. Thanks Aaron 👍
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Awesome video! First-time viewer via reddit. My only critique on the video itself is maaaaybe bring the music's db down further by like -4 to -8db. Other than that, this was awesomesauce. Great explainer/research/build video! Keep 'em up :)
Thank you Ben! I have taken that down, will keep that in mind for the next video. Glad you enjoyed it 😀
I used to same bike but is xcaliber 8.
I believe is the same frame.
I used the same 29inch wheel 2000w MTX RIM.
But I didn't have any the problems you did.
The 12 speed cassette fitted perfect.
The brake caliper fitted perfect.
It was like plug and play
Actually it was the most easiest DIY Ebike I have done.
keep grinding dude.
Hi.
Good solution fot battery!!
Good job!!
Appreciate the support!
Exceeded my expectations
Bro is so smart and professional w this kit🤣🤣, he be talking about magnets and using a 3d printer but I just been using ductape and zip ties my last 3 kits
Thanks Aaron 👍
Really informative video, thanks!
Are you the Redditor who contacted me a month ago about this frame conversion?! 😄
@@AaronsCreations Yes I was
Haha! I thought so. Feel free to ask if you run into any problems!
@@AaronsCreations I found out that you can fit metallic zip tie between the top part of battery mount and the battery: i.imgur.com/sWZhoTc.jpg It can also add some extra stability. Also rubber saddle washer between the frame and battery mount, it could make it more stable.
Awesome video
😀 thanks!!!
I'm afraid i'm going to have to disagree when you said "my poor choice of getting the largest battery possible" - IMO it was a good choice. Tight AF is still "it fits". Nice tight tolerances. Even if you only ever use half of its capacity, that's good for the battery and will make it last longer done right (you probably know all this, but i am stating why i think it's the right choice). I'd like to see an indepth video on your use of torque washers - the torque arm is the #1 snag of putting a hub motor on a regular bike
I noticed U left the spacer on behind the brake disk, that spacer is only to stop the mounting screws from going to deep into the motor during delivery
Nice video! The better option would be MIDDrive Bafang BBSHD. It is more expensive, but if we put the money and time invested to make these boxes for cables and controllers, to the final price bafang would be cheaper, lighter, faster, with more power to climb, nice looking bike. I get bbs02 with IGH and 14.5 Ah / 48Volt battery, it cost me 1000 dollars - geared hub is little bit noisy but I am pretty happy with my choice.
Agreed! The Bafang drive units are super impressive!
to be honest, I can't hear my hubmotor over the noise the off-road tyres make on asphalt.
At around 32-33 kmh, the tyres actually produce a very loud tone, at first i thought the was something wrong with the bike or the motor 😅
@@AaronsCreations -- Nothing wrong w Hub Motors when it's got enough horses 750 / 1000 / 1500W. Some advantages are it's a bit simplier conversion -- and riding too: you're not too concerned about shifting into the right gears all the time as w the Mid Drive Motors. Friends and even girls can hop on your ride w/o you worrying if they know what they're doing ;). And another key factor is the Hub's propulsion is independent from the bike's drivetrain and this design is much less stress, wear n tear on the chain, derailleur, cassette -- and so these parts don't need replacing as often, which is time consuming and $$.
@@connicrow9463 very good point, this guy was just talking about how much damage mid drive can do to a cassette
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Thank you for telling the truth about the set up.
It's not just plug and play..
I had the same rear brake alignment issue, but the wheel kits have a few washers of different thicknesses, I found one of them pushed the rear frame arm out just enough to line up the caliper with the disk
Awesome! My disk needed a lift of around 7mm so that wouldn’t have worked for me.
@@AaronsCreations In the video I see that you left the plastic spacer between the disc and the hub. You have to remove it. The spacer is for the 6 screw for not going to far when the disc is not there. The spacer will melt if the disc become hot.
Update #1: I had my first flat tire after surpassing 300 total kilometers travelled. I think this is due to the low quality tube that was provided in the kit as well as my ignorance to following the correct tire pressure. I had 2 options: 1) patching 2) replacing the whole tube, but seeing as the speeds this bike will be traveling at and the stess that will be enduce on the rear wheel while accelerating, I have decided to replace the whole tube. I will be filling my new tube with Slime, which is a self healing agent for tires. Safe to say this flat was a excellent learning opportunity and hopefully you don't make the same mistake!
Use tire liners my dude. It's a tough strip of material that goes between the tube and tire. I've got over 4100km on my DIY ebike with no flats despite having to pull shards of glass out of my tire. I use Mr. Tuffy
@Haady Khan Hey, the link I used for my battery is actually not available anymore. But like I mentioned below, I bought the parts from Aliexpress and if you search up "Hailong 13s4P 18650 battery" you will find a identical battery as the one I used. Different sellers sell the same product just under their branding. Hope I helped!
@@turbofan450 I will definetly check that out! Thank you. Right now, I have filled it with slime and nothing has popped yet (knock on wood).
@Haady Khan works perfectly. still going strong!
@Haady Khan no hasn’t blown up. has caught on fire a few times through…
Wow i like that sir❤️
I’ve been a bike mechanic for over 20 years trust me those chain stays that that torque arm is hooking up to is not made to carry that kind of a load it will eventually damage that frame just be aware of those people when you’re doing these do it yourself systems if you’re going ultra high power you’re probably going to break your frame eventually. Not to mention if your having a stretcher frame open your weakening the worlds risking the breaking of the frame even more if it doesn’t fit it doesn’t fit
Yup! Got a new updated video on my channel with a new torque arm and motor that doesn’t need that much stretching
Great video, I'm hoping to convert my old 70s Claude Butler Tandem to E bike, with rear Hub motor, would you recommend maybe using front wheel drive motor instead of the rear wheel,as its too complicated to covert rear wheel, with Hub drum brake etc.
Thanks in anticipation,Ger Mooney guitar man Galway Ireland
It would be great if you can do a video tutorial for beginners getting into e bike conversion kits.
Video up soon on this exact topic!
Hey Aaron, nice build! I recently converted a Trek T100 Tandem with a 2000w rear hub setup. Is your controller sinewave or squarewave? How did you activate regenerative braking, or did it come that way from the factory?
I believe it’s a sine wave controller. As I mentioned in the video, I never used regenerative braking as my torque arm only worked in one direction. To activate it, I’m pretty sure you need a throttle that turns the other way. (Forwards, neutral, backwards)
Did you convert it manually?
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A few santimaters
of chassis on the bike (the snow that you put the battery there)
Genius!
Interesting build, we'll save this for future reference. Would a spacer between wheel and disk not solve? I must have missed something.
The brake assembly wouldn’t mount due to the added width of the motor. So it’s not a disc problem, it’s a brake assembly misalignment problem
Great video.
Question, my battery is 48v 20ah. My controller is 48v 20ah. Manufacturer upgrade from 20ah b/c none in stock.
Will this combo work? Heard it could damage battery. I use PAS too when riding.
Hope you can help.
/Bklyn👑
I have a trek Marlin as well - would you be able to send me the plans for those compartments?
new subscriber just found ur video
Thanks for subbing!
Is there links to the conversion kit if gonna feel stupid if there’s one in the description and I just missed it😂
There is none. The seller I bought it from removed the post so I don’t have a link. Look up ebike kit on AliExpress, they sell all the same kits at the end of the day
Hi there, really informative video but I just had a query about my own ebike that is also 1500w. See I have the torque arm on one side attached just like yours but under full load I've found that the axle slips out. Do you think that if I attached a torque on each side going upwards and secured it directly to the frame this issue would stop? I have a carrera just like yours just a different model but it too doesn't have massive dropouts and so sits very similar to yours in the frame. Would greatly appreciate any advice 👍🏻
Your mounting the torque arm incorrectly. One should be sufficient but not optimal. Follow my torque arm mounting configuration exactly and tighten your axle nuts down extremely tight.
Hi Aaron, great video 💪🏽
What size is your frame? M, L or XL or?
Thankyou in advance 👍🏽
L
That requires maybe a machine shop to drill holes. Are there local shops in NYC that can convert my Royce Union mountain bike into a e-bike? I tried the 26-inch e-bike but that was too small. Its hard riding a regular bike around here unlike in my younger days.
I am not sure! But I am sure any shop can drill holes for you as a simple electric drill will work. I'm confused as to what your trying to drill, but if its the dropout (part where motor goes in), I would advice against it. Drilling reduces the structural rigidity of the mount and causes micro-fractures in the frame which will expand over time to eventually failing from the amount of force applied when your riding.
@@aaronclu at 5:00 a machine is being used that I know would be a challenge for me to do without the tools.
@@samthepoet107 that’s a miter saw! Any workshop will have one. They are pretty simple cuts so anyone who has one can do it
@@aaronclu kind of intimidating looking at that much. Thanks!
Hi!
I have the Marlin 7 as well and just curious what the size of the battery and casing is?
Looking at a kit at the moment and worried it'll be a very tight fit.
It’s a 17.5aH 48V battery pack made of Samsung 35E cells. Be sure to drill it as low as possible for the fit.
太棒了！
I built one a while back but cant figure out how to mount the peddle assist. Its wide. Any ideas?
I got the same bike. I too got lucky, since this was during Covid & finding a good bike for a good price was a b.... Great job with the build dude. How are the brakes holding up?
Okay. They still rub unequally but it’s hard to get them perfectly aligned. I replaced the old set with steel compound pads so they wear less.
Amazing build! Hard to hear, what Trek is this?
Thanks! Trek Marlin 7 is the bike used!
Great video what did he whole thing cost you including the bike?
I think it was 2300 with the bike accounting for half the cost. I got the bike second hand for $300 so you can do the math.
Hello, great build, im doing a 48v 1000w conversion, do I need to fit a fuse between the battery and controller ? Any advice would be appreciated 👍
I didn’t bother with a fuse in between the battery and the controller but it is a good safeguard against potential shorts.
@@AaronsCreations Thank you👍
I'm 6'-5" and going with something like a Trek gives me the ability to get a frame that fits me. Cheap big box bikes don't give that option.
Hi can u explane how to reset the standard setting for the screen as I have changed a couple and now not getting any throttle even if it says it is but I have lost my manual so even if u could send me a copy of that I can go from there much appreciated thanks Craig
Hello , I need your help.
I want to purchese 48v2000w e bike kit and what battery do I need for it .
I have 48v20ah battery . is it okay for 48v 2000w kit ?
Thanks
hydraulic brakes. with power off brake levers. GOOD JOB! Next go waterproof with Julet.. Just a tip.
Can Trek Xcaliber and Stache 5 be converted to evokes?
You say that you used a 29-in wheel. I see that it is a 26-inch mountain bike. I don't understand how that could possibly fit in the frame. I also have never seen 29 inch tires before. This must be something new? Could you please elaborate on the wheel size and where it is measured from dimensionally? Certainly it must fit into a normal 26-in frame because you did it but I don't understand the how and why of it. Please elaborate.
hi man could really do with some quick help, will a 135mm motor fit 140mm dropout? will i just need to add more spacers?
It would. The root of the majority of problems I faced was due to an oversized motor. A smaller motor would save you a lot of trouble. Then again, it depends on how your setup is. What frame your using, motor, etc….
How will I know if the kit will fit my bike frame. It’s 135mm dropout with disc brake. My concern is if the wheel fits, maybe the disc brake caliper will not...? And do you feel any rolling friction or pedaling resistance unpowered/battery turned off comparing to before the conversion?
There’s little to no rolling resistance what you feel is the added weight and how the bike is a lot heavier to move. I’m regards to the disc brake, you don’t know. Every manufacturer makes their motor a bit different and if you get lucky your bike works with additional modifications, if not you do what I did
May I know what your bike dropout width?
I think my dropout was a 135MM
Just an idea...you could mount your controller directly on top of your battery using zip ties.
I wanted the ability to remove my batteries 😄
Can it apply to 10 speed bicycle?
You can. My bike was a 9 speed and with the motor it’s now a 7 speed. Due to the added width of the motor.
how much amps will the controler take coz i got the same one 1500w
25A, I think. I mentioned it in the video.
Have you tried to increase the power output?
By using a bigger controller I can. Grin makes a great selection of ready to run controllers that can output a significantly larger amount of power. I don’t think I will as this bike is powerful enough for the purpose it was intended for.
Whats the top speed with your best settings on this motor? Also is this motor from CSC?
I hit 50kph going up a 2% incline yesterday on purely throttle. Can’t remember where it’s from.
A lot of people no offence do not realize how important those are they actually have different ones that sit on the back of it so you can adjust it with a screw but yes it is pretty cool when you're building
I really love this video. Why didn't you do a front hub conversion? I want to do this to my bike but I'm thinking front instead. I don't know the pros and cons.
Front hubs are significantly less safe and effective than rear hubs.
1. Traction is a lot lower on the front than the back, since you aren't sitting on the front wheel.
2. The steering becomes a lot heavier, and more prone to swinging back and forth.
3. It's easy to have the front wheel spin out under power, especially during turning, resulting in a crash, as front-wheel spinout is the most dangerous kind.
4. Front forks are usually less sturdy for mounting motors than rear dropouts are, as rear dropouts have to resist some torque already. In any case, you would need genuine torque arms (as in, not the kind used in this video, which are a flawed design cloned in China that have a known safety issue), but front forks are much more problematic to install motors onto.
Couldn’t have put it better!
Hi we're can get this same conversation kit & is there a 3,000 watt
Yes there is. The motor is probably a lot wider, but I know it exists.
@@AaronsCreations were did u get the kit I want to get one pare
Disc brakes are heavier than rim brakes and may be over rated. You definitely need good brakes for an e-bike. I have been doing some research and quality rim brakes may be a better solution for a lot of ebike conversions based on frames without disc brake mounts and your conversion proves there may be other problems with conversions as well! Off road pedal dirt bikers and road bikers, prefer quality rim brakes, besides being lighter, they really work well! Rim brakes vary in quality a lot. Good ones cost $$$.
Looks a bit like my bike.
where did you buy the motor from?
AliExpress
Hello
wich brands should i prefer when buying a 1.5 kW kit from aliexpress?
I recommend a kit that fits your budget. At the end of the day, these kits from different sellers all come out of the same factory. Voliamart is a popular brand for kits. 4 of my friends are happy with them.
Iama fan csc bike motors
CSC does make some banger ebike kits.
Hi, my bike has a thru-axle is it possible to mount this wheel on my bike?
Not with the motor I used in my video. To convert a bike with a thru axle you must get one specifically designed for thru axles. I’ve been a few made from Bafang that looks great so look into those
@@AaronsCreations hi, great video mate.
Would this work on a Trek Roscoe 8, as I’m not sure about through axle etc? Thankyou very much in advance.
Can I fit in a 28 inch motor wheel on a 27.5 bike
It depends on the frame. You might get lucky or could run into clearance issues, but I have never heard of a 28inch bike wheel. It’s always been 26, 27.5, 29 inch.
How much the 1-set Price of this products of your's pls rply
Hi, I have some questions before ordering a kit I’ve just made a video if you could take a look and let me know if it’s possible I would appreciate it! Thanks again love the video by the way
I’ll take a look.
So I looked at your video and the crank sensor will not fit onto your bike. As you mentioned in your video, it doesn't have a gap. But the sensor is mechanically simple, so if you can find a way to glue said sensor onto the rotating part of your bike, it should work. You can also look online for ways to get around this. I am sure there is a product for this problem.
Thanks guys, I’ve ordered a sensor kit designed for my crank, only issue is the plug is different so I will have to chop it and swap it
has anyone else had the problem where they got a 1500w kit and they have power but no response from the throttle? i ordered a new throttle but I'm worried ill need another controller
On the LCD screen, a blinking throttle light appears when the throttle is turned (above the speed mode). Check if you have that… If you don’t, open the controller up and see if the connections are tight
Great stuff BUT elephant in the room,
The motor is not too wide for the frame.The spacer on the disc mount
needs removing.Plus the tabbed washers should lock together.🙂
Hi iwas planning to convert my bike to e bike do you think i can make it on my own?thanks
Absolutely. It depends on what kit and what frame you have. Some conversions are extremely simple as the frame the user choose was convenient enough to have high tolerance (lots of extra space). But specifically in my case I choose one of the worst frame to convert, as Trek makes high quality bikes with very low tolerances for a motor to fit in so as a result I was required to do some designing to make things work.
How much was your kit?
What is the 3d print for the box ?
The 3D Print is a platform to attach the electronics to the frame.
@@AaronsCreations can you send me the codes for it ?
Hi could u please send link to buy conversion kit I'm in uk
View my comment! I mentioned where to get it😁
I'd say.... although you were determined, slightly over engineered,I know these are not quite fit and turn key,but I'd give you kudos for trying.also like to note all the CAD and you chose to zip tie the module on the frame😐
How do hills effect the range?
They reduce it. Depending on how fast and how heavy you are.
@@AaronsCreations is it a drastic amount? Thanks
If your racing up the hill yes. If your going extremely slow say 5KPH it’s equally as bad. It’s hard to give you a definitive answer. But yes it can completely drain your battery or just a small amount. Hope that helps
Link to hib motor?
Please check updated comment!
Are you from Canada?
Yes I am!
@@AaronsCreations Thought so because your city looks very cold and you used km instead of miles.
Please build me one😅
You know it 😜.
what motor is this
1500 BLDC Direct Drive Hub Motor
Lol. You're welcome ☺️
A-A-ron
What is it a 48v 13 ah battery?
The battery used in this video is a 48V 17.5aH Battery. In watt hours it is 48 x 17.5 = 840wH
WHAT IS YOUR BIKE FRAME SIZE?
L
55km range mostly with pedal assist
Yes
Links for parts
View my pinned comment! I mentioned where to get it 😁
Nice bike but everyone who builds them never puts on a nice seat like I have spend an extra $45 it's worth it
Bloody washers always fails me to 😤😤😤😤
Remember me
And to think I was about to go to a bike shop tomorrow and get a 1500w conversion kit installed on my Scott Aspect 940 granite mtb. You just made me realize how unreliable, complicated, expensive this all is and I don't have the confidence that the shop knows all of these tricks when installing it and they will just permanently ruin the bike and I will lose a ton of money. Yet again another thing that I find extremely interesting but a know it all CZcamsr ruins it for me. Not your fault ofc but there goes my initiative down the drain.
Not as bad as it looks. Thousands bikers US Europe Asia have done it. Although they are neat -- you don't have to do custom wire controller boxes, bigger rear brake rotors and all that. A shop can do it professionally for under 3 hours $200. Or you can get online FB or CL see if any bike tech hobbyist enthusiasts will help you out for a good price.
55 MPH or KPH ???
55KPH*
So that’s between 28- 35 MPH ?
55 kilometre range is 34 miles
Ok
Bbshd would have been a better pairing with marlin 7.
Then you have to replace the chain and cassette quite often, also you will be running through brake pads because you don't have regenerative braking.
@@cryptohouse1676 regenerative braking puts transfers wear of brake pads to wear on motor. I rather change brake pads and chain than motor, but user preference
@@Kay0Bot The motor doesn’t wear out from regenerative braking. The ball-bearings in a direct drive motor are the only parts that need replacement. They will last just as long with or regen.
@@cryptohouse1676 ah..oh okay. Still the strain has to go elsewhere so most likely strain is transferred to controller or battery.
hola me gusta tus vídeos y me podría ayudar hacer Electricas mi bike yo vivo en los ángeles California mi nombre es Antonio
4:22 what happened here 💀
Do you sell it for me
I spent 1100 on the bike moter and batteries and it won't work
Kit Link: I could not find the link of the exact conversion kit. If your interested in picking up your own, search up "MTX Electric Bike Conversion Kit" on Aliexpress. My kit costed around $550 CAD.
Battery Link: Same thing here. I could not find the direct link. It's a "Samsung 35E 13s5p battery pack" On Aliexpress that should come out to $600.
Hi I Can't find it. Is it 72V or 52V battery? Thanks, take care.
48v
Highschool? Brah you will have less time in uni than in highschool wth
Why not just take the spacer off the motor instead of relocating the brake caliper. I have the same frame and didn’t need to do half the work you did. I think you way over thought it. I converted my marlin in about 2hrs.
Because I used a cassette gear system. The hub would rub on the frame if spacers weren’t used