THOR: Ragnarok VS Love and Thunder: Why One Works and the Other Didn't
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Taika Waititi created a masterpiece with Thor: Ragnarok but Thor: Love and Thunder missed the mark. Why? How did a film with Chris Hemsworth, Christian Bale, Natalie Portman, and Tessa Thompson fall short? Well, we have two scenes that show us why one works and the other doesn't.
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Something Don Cheadle said in Ocean's 13, "You don't run the same gag twice. You do the next gag." Something Taika should take note of.
This is curious since Don Cheadle is in the MCU
@@richardgrosskopf1681 an actor joining a multi billion dollar franchise is wrong how?
@@Dru2037 when I said he did wrong by joining marvel?
Funny, in Age of Ultron he told the same joke... twice.
"So I take the tank and fly it right up to the general's palace and drop it at his feet. I'm like, 'boom you looking for this?'"
@@dangerfly That's different. Gag only worked for people weren't super heroes.
We had Christian bale on cast as one of the nastiest villains in the cosmos, and instead of having him on screen killing gods, and ya know, raising the stakes, we had SO many scenes of screaming goats.
Facts. Plus the movie failed because in the comics Gor the god butcher was vicious and murdered eveeeveryone……………..in the movie…..Gor murdered everyone…offscreen….😑😑😑
"Ragnorok works because Thor is attempting to be serious and fails." Thats a really good way of putting it.
I saw Love and Thunder in the middle of the night on a Disney cruise ship and it'll always have a special place in my heart because of that. But the entire time I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, 'Taika had too much creative freedom with this one.' I think what it needed more than anything was restraint, and for better or worse, this was Taika unrestrained.
Excellent analysis. 👍🏻
Ragnarok was a part of a longer storytelling arc and the Marvel Studio certainly had some precise guidelines. For Love and Thunder, Taika was recently nominated for an Oscar for best script for Jojo Rabbit, so the Studio let him do his thing and probably gave him only a few constraints, as there wasn't much planned for Thor in the near future then. 🤷🏼♂️
He might of went overboard with the comedy but he did well with Janes storyline, she’s was the best part
I don’t know, man. In retrospect, Love and Thunder feels like a movie where the director had zero direction because of all kinds of extenuating circumstances. You had the pandemic, causing limited production value (small crews, no sets, and disjointed filming). You had Marvel Studios shifting focus more towards television, and spreading themselves too thin. You had a franchise unsure of where to go next after a string of bombs (The Eternals, Shang Chi, etc.), it wanting to rush out as much stuff as possible to keep the money coming in.
If anything, I feel like Taika Waititi was ushered into a writers room by some producer and was told that someone was going to be with him shortly to discuss the plan for the story and the movie, but they never showed up, so he was left to his own devices and eventually got bored and said “screw this.” The result was a passionless movie that felt like a middle finger to the people that hired him and wasted his time. He’s definitely capable of much, much better.
@@eyespy3001 I don’t believe you at all
@@TIGER-xk4gk No one said you have to 🤷♂️
To me, the reason why Ragnarök worked, and Love and Thunder didn't was because of the goals and styles of the antagonists. Hela's goal to reclaim Asgard and resume her conquests of the universe is a very active goal, you can tell she's going to be aggressive in her approach. But for Gorr, it's the complete opposite. Despite being called "the god butcher" Gorr doesn't act aggressively in his approach in genocide and the gods he kills, he does it off screen. And when it's revealed that he wants to go to Eternity to make a wish that all the gods were dead, that's the most passive way to accomplish that goal. Gorr should've been a much more active and aggressive antagonist to make it work.
Exactly they are ruining great villains with great stories by completely changing the tone. If a story is dark keep it that way the point is bringing the comics to life. We finally have the technology and they are slaughtering great content. I wanted Gorr after Dark world but when I got what I wanted I didn't want it anymore. There are so many characters where humor is necessary to who they are. I hope they stay true to the source material moving forward otherwise don't use it.
nah, that's isn't why. Those aspects have nothing to do with the main critiques of this film by all the critics. It has to do with the fact that everything in the film is played for bad jokes. It has nothing to do with the antagonists, only comic nerds care about that.
Taika didn't write Ragnarok Craig Kyle and Chris Yost did the draft and that's why it was good.
You, action/drama movie with comedic beats vs comedy with dramatic moments. It should have been far more dramatic and emotionally hitting given the material. The tone is just wrong.
Agree
As a person who loves the character of Thor, I didn't think the the Dark world was that bad but the excessive jokes and goofiness of everyone was just awful in Love and Thunder, most jokes if not all didn't land
Bruh I thought I had the wrong movie because Bale's acting was so bad especially in the garden with the terrible actor playing the god
I agree
Another good comparison are the Mat Damon play scenes. In Ragnarok it was a character moment about what Loki actually did with Asgard once he took over. The play was funny, but it also was an important plot and characterization moment.
In Love & Thunder they just went "that was funny, let's do it again!" But the play served no purpose, so fell flat.
The thought I had throughout the movie and long after was "but would he actually say that joke? Would he actually react that way?" A leg day joke? A weird love triangle between thor and his two weapons, that are being treated as sentient enough to feed a drink to? Just about every joke in the movie felt like a joke someone might make ABOUT the characters, not a joke the character would make themselves.
Just like you said, the jokes in ragnarok felt like they were genuine reactions from the characters in the situations they were in.
Exactly. Love & Thunder read almost like a spoof of Marvel movies. A lot of the humour was more like something out of an old Zucker Brothers film than like any of the other Marvel productions. So it felt out of place.
This is actually a really good take
I haven't watched it, but from what I've seen and heard about this movie, it reads like a parody fanfiction someone would write to poke fun at their favorite characters. Not like an actual Marvel film.
The biggest missed opportunity that Love and Thunder had was to make Gorr sympathetic to the audience. Thor: Love and Thunder was released in 2022, which means that it had to have been written in 2020. We all questioned "Where was God?" in the cacophony of all the cataclysmic events that took place that year, if Gorr had been written in a way that questioned " What's the point of worshiping the gods when they abandon you when you need them most?" that would've made Gorr the voice of the audience and extremely relatable.
Hard agree. Idk why Taika couldnt use Gorr as the audience surrogate for struggling with your faith and taking it to the extreme. It was right there and he abandoned it early.
Exactly! Gorr was my favorite villain, they did my man so dirty. The worst part is that's it, no more Gorr in the mcu EVER. I'm so mad about it because of this.
@@bruhbrother4805i wanted him after Dark world but hate what I got after Ragnarok smh. Besides when he got the necrosword did he kill any other god on camera? I feel they explained why he lost faith but they didn't show him wreaking havoc even when Zeus mentioned it they took the approach like if we just ignore him he'll go away while we make sexy time.
I admire your restraint in not beginning and ending this video with, "The goats. The goddamn goats."
1st time: oh, funny.
2nd: ok, silly, but we get it.
3rd: enough already with the goats!
Jokes about eating the goats: YES! MURDER AND EAT THEM!!! (and I'm a vegetarian)
I shut my TV off on the goats. I was done right there.
The 3rd film didn't have him as a writer. The 4th one did. That simple.
Thanks for this video; you explained exactly how I felt when I left the theaters. "It was too silly," I said. I didn't have the words like you had but this video captured it perfectly.
It's silly without being funny. It's the same with 'What We do in the Shadows'. The first two seasons were great and then it took a nosedive. Just awful.
It's absolutely absurd that writers still haven't nailed down why something is amazing in order to maintain the quality. With history and resources available it should be a science at this point.
Exactly! Here's to hoping the next one brings back some of the drama.
In an interview with GQ in 2023, Chris Hemsworth was asked what he thought of Love and Thunder and his response was "It just became too silly for its own good." He later went on to say that his family and friends of his children all have heavy critiques of the film, so even he's aware that it really sucks.
Love and Thunder was the first Marvel movie I genuinely hated, even my least favourite ones I’ll class as just boring but L&T was painful to watch at times
Oh wow, that's gotta hurt
@@misseli1 I’ve seen four doctors. No cure from the results of this movie. Say it’s forever pain.
@@BigPurp9for me, this movie and Dr. Strange 2 are my least favourites. Not even because they're objectively the worst Marvel movies. I don't think that. But more so because their respective predecessors gave me hope for good sequels. What we got was just immensely disappointing and felt like a total waste. They were the reason why I stopped going to the cinema for MCU movies (sorry GotG 3, you’re the Golden Child and I regret not supporting that movie by going to the cinema).
There was no tension in Love & Thunder. Any scary darkness brought by Gorr, was drowned out by constant silliness. There was never any fear that things could go wrong.
I love content like this. A movie expert giving words and an explanation to the feeling these movies evoke (or don't). Thanks!
The thing that people didn’t get about Love and Thunder is that the movie was actually from the point of view of Korg and that was why the movie didn’t make sense. We the audience was being told a story by a character and that character was an alien. So his point of view of what happened and how he told us the story was different from what really happened but we’re shown the story from his view and not how it actually happened.
Ok, but, that is no excuse if the result is still a bad movie. On 300 you could say the style and action is the way it is because Dilios is being dramatic while telling his story to the other Spartans, but doesnt detract from the moviegoing experience..
I really hope big name studios (or at least someone with some pull) watches these videos and others like it - is this not what they teach in film school? The bits about having comedic moments in your movies, but not at the expense of the stakes seems so obvious in retrospect.
Another banger of a video props to Ryan and the whole Screencrush team 👏
Comic book Gorr is one of the best villains Marvel has come put with, in my opinion. In the comics, Gorr isn't actually seen killing very many God's, but here's the thing: Thor in the present day tracks down dead gods like in the film, but he instantly realizes this is the work of Gorr, whom he met hundreds of years ago. The story of Thor finding the deads gods in then intercut with flashbacks to a young Thor being captured and tortured by Gorr. This way, Gorr feels like both a physical and looming threat at the same time. Aaron rules.
I remember reading that big, pivotal scenes in Love and Thunder, like Jane getting the hammer and the god killer actually killing gods, were shot then never put in the movie. I feel a little bit robbed since I was waiting for those scenes while watching the movie and was so confused when they got handled as exposition instead.
Can we get the non-director’s cut of this movie?
Taika: there's no directors cut, what you see in the movie is what's there.
Me, later watching deleted scenes online and hearing about cut plotlines: 🤔
I also think the reenactments of the previous movies show why "Ragnarok" was great while "Love and Thunder" failed.
In "Ragnarok," there's a play about Loki's death in "The Dark World." In it, it makes Loki's death seem noble and heroic. Loki rewrote Asgard history to glorify himself, and as we find out later, Odin did the exact same thing by trying to write Hela and their conquests out of history.
In "Love and Thunder," there's a play about Odin's death and Hela's return in "Ragnarok." However, that one doesn't add anything to the story or its moral. It's just a joke put for an audience at an amusement park.
Unpopular opinion: i really liked natasha and bruce and thought the shower dialogue scene between the two at hawkeyes house to be one of my favorite marvel dialogue scenes.
Then have I got a movie for you: Check out the last Bixby/Ferrigno Hulk movie, "The Death of the Incredible Hulk." It is 109% about Bruce and Natasha falling in love.
It’s like comparing Rush Hour with Rush Hour 3, trying to be funny took over and didn’t feel genuine
I love rush hour 3
Rush hour 3 is still gold. Will never ever sway me. Like are you kidding, "Yu's blind!" "I'm not blind you's blind" "That's what I just said!"
Honestly that’s an insult to Rush Hour 3, it’s definitely the worst one but still far more enjoyable than Love and Thunder
AS you mentioned, each Thor movie tells the story in a different genre. Love and Thunder is a story told to children by Korg. the movie in enveloped by them sitting under a tree while he relates the tale. that's why the story is toned down in the grittiness.
I thought of the movie as an example of how our myths and legends were formed though oral history. Sometime the stories were for moral education, sometimes they are just for amusement. Perhaps Waititi missed the mark in judgement, but I give him credit for not playing to the same cliches every time.
The showrunner clearly was like, "Wow, look how much they liked Ragnarok! Let's dial the comedy up to 100, and they'll like it even more!" Wrong. And introducing Gorr and Zeus into a full-on comedy movie was such a waste.
You flicked too hard Taika, Damn it!
Right.
Well written Brianna. Thanks for bringing to light why this movie felt like bad indigestion.
I have an almost complete collection of the MCU on my shelves... but not L&T. It felt disjointed, disrespectful to both the source material and the audience, and deeply self-indulgent. People complain about a lot of the Disney + shows, but I have found many things to like about all of them (even Secret Invasion had some great performances despite its shitty plotting). There is literally nothing about L&T that I enjoyed.
What about Quantumania?
@@solvseus I actually had fun with quantumania, except for how they handled modok and the bill murray bit. It felt very much like a microverse comic from the 80s
The Dark World was great imo. Nice to have the original serious tone of dark fantasy in Thors universe. The humorous stuff is ok but I feel it cheapens the Asgardian themes. Not to mention every ensuing sequel has to top the last in terms of comedy.
I like it too. The Dark World expanded Asgardian lore but Ragnarok had to go to a different world and tone. I still enjoyed both. L&T for me i didn't see as I checked out.
I kept waiting for a punch line that never came lol then I realized Love & Thunder is being told from Korg’s story-book perspective.
Then Korg is a bad writer
Loki was breaking into a Frost Giant cold sweat from PTSD from being ragdolled by the Hulk.
😅
Gore's backstory with his daughter was so fucking devastating, watching at all that other silly shit made me feel dirty. Pick a lane.
Love and Thunder was great to watch one time in the theater and then never think about it again
My theater seemed to like it during, then picked it apart while walking out.
I thought it was dumb while watching, and worried it was a portend of things to come...
Totally agree, also the big glaring fact, no Loki - Thor only works with Loki cast better in Ragnarock.
The Gorr the God Butcher story should have been two movies with a tv show tie-in between them - the Jane Foster cancer story, which should have been a ten episode series.
There was 2 versions of everything. In the deleted scenes Zeus was a good person, gave advice and his thunderbolt to the young thunder god who worshiped him as a child. It was set up up not paid off and they made Z unreasonable instead.
Love & Thunder is what happens when you have no one reigning-in the 'creativity' of a powerful creator to ensure they are still telling a good story. See also: Stephen King (The Tommyknockers) and/or The Prequel Trilogy
Also, grossly underusing the Guardians of the Galaxy. I mean, a scene with dialogue between Korg (who uses so many metaphors and stuff like that) and Drax (who takes everything completely literally) would have been comedic gold without being too over the top. Plus, the dynamic that Loki brings in Ragnarok (or any movie for that matter) is irreplaceable so that was an element that was completely missing from Love and Thunder. Exploring Thor's fear of losing Jane by paralleling it with losing loki (and possibly including flashbacks of Loki with Thor) would have added greatly to the gravity of the situation and what Thor was going through.
I totally agree, but it was Gore I loved Bales version but they only showed him kill one god, and that wasn't even on purpose they could have kept the movie the same but show Gore kill gods and the scene at Olympic Gore should have busted In and decapitate a Celestial and the head falls in and he kills multiple gods making Gore a threat like that would have elevated the film alot
Thor Ragnorok, Thor Infinity War and Thor Endgame works amazing together
This is the best explanation of the differences I’ve seen online,
Great job Ryan
One of my favorite thing's about thor movies are the thor-loki interactions. Literally the only good part of Thor the Dark world was thor breaking loki out of prison. Love and thunder is the first thor movie without loki and I really missed that
Agreed on all accounts. That Zeus scene was really where this film lost me.
Love and Thunder should have been a powerful film. At the center is Gorr who is grieving for his dead daughter and blaming the Gods. In addition, you have Jane who is dying. There was not enough time devoted to that. How does that affect her relationship with Thor? WandaVision had a lot of comedic moments but it never lost sight of the fact that this was Wanda grieving. Jane's cancer was buried in a blizzard of jokes.
The main reason that Ragnarok was a more superior movie than L&T is that Ragnarok had something to keep Taika in check. The Pearson/Kyle/Yost team wrote Ragnarok while Taika is mostly credited with writing L&T.
I love Thor but hated love and thunder. I love Ragnarok it's that whole package of everything.
Am I the only person who thinks Thor 3 could have still be a great movie if it wasn’t funny. The story of Hela being Odin daughter and Thor reaching his potential is much better than Thor 1 and 2 story
@@tmac731 No, but Thor 2: the Dark Thor was too dark, and no one wanted more of that.
@@solvseus I didn’t mind Thor 2 it was actually more comedy than you think but the drama was kinda slow. The bad thing about that movie was the villain imo
The hammer did not prolong her cancer; it sped it up.
Best part is the line ‘he’s a friend from work!’ was an improvised line from kid visits set & critically ill, if not mistaken. Always said Ragnarok is by far funniest Marvel film!
Love & Thunder could’ve a bit better to pull back on humor more & focus on Jane’s struggles w/ her power cures cancer but sporadic. Comics explored more of daily aspects of when it’d fail mid-battle or when she’s human sick all over again since Mjolnir gives power only while she is Thor.
I think it also doesn't help that love and thunder undid all character growth of the character and turned him into the butt of all jokes and into a buffoon.
And even if they were a bit of opposition, they show up at a place to save the gods and then proceed to kill one and slaughter his guards (if that had been red blood this scene might've gotten the movie a different rating) doesn't really make us root for the characters.
Well thought through assessment that I fully agree with. Excellent work screen crush.
The Zeus scene was changed, probably in reshoots. The home video release has a really good deleted scene where Zeus visits him at new Asgard and gifts him the lightening bolt and gives him advice about the power of Zeus. Its better than anything we get of Zeus in the theatrical cut.
Thor was my favorite MCU Avenger since his first movie. I still love both Thor and Ragnarok, and Dark World is not nearly as bad as people make it out to be (though I would argue it's a better Loki movie than it is a Thor movie). Despite that, it was incredibly obvious to me early on that Love and Thunder was going to be a mess. I wanted to be excited for another Thor movie, but the more footage we saw, the more I was convinced it had done what I most feared in taking the wrong lesson from Ragnarok, which was that a Thor movie needed to be funny.
I never ended up bothering to see L&T, and from everything I've heard both online and through word of mouth, I made the right call. Breaks my heart, but maybe we'll get one last Thor movie in an attempt to let Chris Hemsworth go out on a high note.
They completely wasted Gor the God Butcher and that storyline. That easily should have been the story of this film and it was a last minute thought. Tragic
One had Loki one didn't
To be fair one seemed more serious and more following a more personal family storyline and as many movies at that time set up next movie. Another well it's just bad and didn't lead anywhere.
Ragnarok isn't written by Taika, it's only directed by him.
Hemsworth said in interviews that he commented on some of the script and Taika asked him if he thought he was funnier than him... 🙄 Taika seems to have quite an ego.
Simple. One tried too hard to be the other.
I think Love and Thunder tried too hard to be different than Ragnorok.
Christian Bale was so freaking good as Gor. When he was on screen, it felt like a horror movie. Then it would pop back to endless gags of Thor and everyone else.
I felt as though this movie didn't know what it wanted to be.
Great video. Great work Brianna McLarty! 👏
Great review. I had a really hard time watching Love and Thunder to the end just for the reasons you explained. The silliness was just to much for me.
I think a big part of it is just a lot of “newer” MCU titles try to emulate Ragnarok. Kind of like how older MCU movies tried to emulate Iron Man.
I've been wanting to talk about this topic for a bit now. Good points.
Your screenwriter is excellent! Brilliantly written and broken down. Everything was spot on!
Always a great video
I love Ragnarok. Once a year without fail. Thor is one my favorite characters (thanks Walt Simonson) Love and Thunder was a film. Gorr and Jane Foster Thor were gut punches in the comics. That movie just made me not care about either or anything else.
This is your best movie comparison in a minute. I forgot that’s why I found the channel… besides Doug. Well done.
I'm so glad this channel puts out bangers all the time!
Well was through assessment that I fully agree with. Excellent work screen crush. Love and Thunder's biggest missed opportunity was to make Gorr sympathetic to the audience. Thor: Love and Thunder was released in 2022, meaning it had to have been written in 2020. We all questioned "Where was God?" in the cacophony of all the cataclysmic events that took place that year, if Gorr had been written in a way that questioned " What's the point of worshiping the gods when they abandon you when you need them most?" that would've made Gorr the voice of the audience and extremely relatable. I saw Love and Thunder in the middle of the night on a Disney cruise ship and it'll always have a special place in my heart because of that. But the entire time I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, 'Taika had too much creative freedom with this one.' I think what it needed more than anything was restraint, and for better or worse, this was Taika unrestrained. 6 hours ago To me, the reason why Ragnarök worked, and Love and Thunder didn't was because of the goals and styles of the antagonists. Hela's goal to reclaim Asgard and resume her conquests of the universe is very active, you can tell she's going to be aggressive in her approach. But for Gorr, it's the complete opposite. Despite being called "the god butcher" Gorr doesn't act aggressively in his approach to genocide and the gods he kills, he does it off-screen. And when it's revealed that he wants to go to Eternity to make a wish that all the gods were dead, that's the most passive way to accomplish that goal. Gorr should've been a much more active and aggressive antagonist to make it work. I really hope big-name studios (or at least someone with some pull) watch these videos and others like them - is this not what they teach in film school? The bits about having comedic moments in your movies, but not at the expense of the stakes seem so obvious in retrospect. Another banger of video props to Ryan and the whole Screencrush team "Ragnorok works because Thor is attempting to be serious and fails." That's a really good way of putting it. 6 hours ago
Loki was breaking into a Frost Giant cold sweat from PTSD from being rag-dolled by the She-Hulk.
I enjoyed Love and Thunder. It felt like a love letter to fathers and fatherhood. 7 hours ago The Dark World was great imo. Nice to have the original serious tone of dark fantasy in Thor's universe. The humorous stuff is ok but I feel it cheapens the Asgardian themes. Not to mention every ensuing sequel has to top the last in terms of comedy. Well written Brianna. Thanks for bringing to light why this movie felt like bad indigestion. Simple. One tried too hard to be the other. 1 hour ago Comic book Gorr is one of the best villains Marvel has come put with, in my opinion. In the comics, Gorr isn't actually seen killing very many gods, but here's the thing: Thor in the present day tracks down dead gods like in the film, but he instantly realizes this is the work of Gorr, whom he met hundreds of years ago. The story of Thor finding the dead gods is then intercut with flashbacks to a young Thor being captured and tortured by Gorr. This way, Gorr feels like both a physical and looming threat at the same time. Aaron rules. Love & Thunder is what happens when you have no one reigning in the 'creativity' of a powerful creator to ensure they are still telling a good story. See also: Stephen King (The Tommyknockers) and/or The Prequel Trilogy 4 hours ago Another good comparison is the Mat Damon play scenes. In Ragnarok, it was a character moment about what Loki actually did with Asgard once he took over. The play was funny, but it also was an important plot and characterization moment. In Love & Thunder they just went "That was funny, let's do it again!" But the play served no purpose, so fell flat. There was no tension in Love & Thunder. Any scary darkness brought by Gorr was drowned out by constant silliness. There was never any fear that things could go wrong. I totally agree, but it was Gore I loved Bale's version but they only showed him kill one god, and that wasn't even on purpose they could have kept the movie the same but shown Gore kill gods and the scene at the Olympic Gore should have busted In and decapitate a Celestial and the head falls in and he kills multiple gods making Gore a threat like that would have elevated the film a lot Great review. I had a really hard time watching Love and Thunder to the end just for the reasons you explained. The silliness was just too much for me. 6 hours ago I had an almost complete collection of the MCU on my shelves... but not L&T. It felt disjointed, disrespectful to both the source material and the audience, and deeply self-indulgent. People complain about a lot of the Disney + shows, but I have found many things to like about all of them (even Secret Invasion had some great performances despite its shitty plotting). There is literally nothing about L&T that I enjoyed. 3 hours ago (edited) Taika didn't write Ragnarok Craig Kyle and Chris Yost did the draft and that's why it was good. I love Thor but hated Love and Thunder. I love Ragnarok it's that whole package of everything. 4 hours ago The Arm going to Valhalla was another moment where he went from serious to silly too fast I think a scene that was repeated that showed the difference between the two movies was the play. The scene worked in Ragnorok because everyone knew it was Loki being self-aggrandizing (plus the meta-humor of Hopkins playing Hiddleston playing Hopkins). Also, it moved the plot because Thor knew immediately it was Loki. The play in Love and Thunder had none of that going for it and didn't work. I remember reading that big, pivotal scenes in Love and Thunder, like Jane getting the hammer and the god killer actually killing gods, were shot and then never put in the movie. I feel a little bit robbed since I was waiting for those scenes while watching the movie and was so confused when they got handled as exposition instead. Can we get the non-director cut of this movie called To New Jimmy Fallon is Professor Zoom was in the Flash show I Saw Him in the Past is true to be a fight with Ellen Degeneres tv show in the 90s on live-action television online is here now fit in the replacement to remove to 20:14
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I watched Ragnarok with my wife at the cinema, and we agreed we had to watch it again WITH her mom. We did. It is awesome.
I tried to watch Love and Thunder on Disney+, and could not finish it. Even skipping forward was not doing it.
Such a waste...
They took two of the best Thor stories, and crammed them together. They each deserved their own movie.
Really liked these type of videos you made on pointing some of the things that one film worked and the other didn’t hold up, mind if I recommend on you doing the same for a Puss in boots last wish vs Disney’s wish and highlight which one had a much better message for wishing upon a star.
That's a good idea!
I enjoyed *Thor: Raganarok* and it probably is my favorite of the Thor films. That said, I do wish it had 10% fewer jokes and 10% more sincerity. I think it would have been a stronger film, but it's still really enjoyable as is.
The arm going to Valhalla was another moment where he went from serious to silly too fast
If they had taken away 50% of the comedy and put that toward fear of death, fear of the children being hurt, and making us reluctantly feel for Gorr, the movie would have been perfect. It was a fun time to watch in theaters with friends for sure, but I just wanted more Gorr and scarier gods. It was 2/3 of the way there.
To me the nest scenes were when Thor is trying to stop Jane from going with him for the final Gorr fight and he tells her he loves her and when Jane is dying at the end and Thor doesn't care about stopping Gorr anymore
Ragnarok is genius movie. The songs, the drama, the cameos, the all movies was great. My favorite movie of marvel. Thor ,love and thunder is better than ant man 3 😂
Excellently thought out argument. I think you nailed it.
Great video Ryan. I felt similarly about Raiders of the Lost Ark and Temple of Doom. The stakes in the Temple of Doom weren’t there bc it took place before Raiders and while Raiders paid tribute to the old serialized Cliffhanger movies, Temple paid tribute to Raiders.
"Innndddyyy..."
- whined the lady sleeping with the director
Great video! Love the writing!!
I knew people would regret wanting more dude-bro Thor.
The thing with Black Widow in age of Ultron relates to apes and gliding fingers along the open palm is a sign of submission.
I've always had a soft spot for *Thor: The Dark World* despite its flaws (mostly 'cause I love to see Thor and Loki team up). However it wasn't until you mentioned that Thor 2 chose to stick to High Fantasy as its sole genre when I realized that's another reason I like it. I tend to pick High Fantasy over Sci-fi and films with a contemporary setting.
Very well put together comparison. I agree with almost everything.
this video is a good comparison to love and thunder, Gorr was barely mentioned... thats how I felt watching the film, Gorr was supposed to be this big threat in the film but was hardly in it, it was mainly just about Thor and Jane and when Gorr was in it, he didn't do much. A great villain which was criminally under used
Taika was doing a lot of mushrooms in that movie
Love and Thunder was played a bit like how the Asgardian acting troupe would have done it.
The reason the movie was over the top was because it was a story being told from Korgs point of view. He's the story teller of the events of the movie. Everything that happened was from his perspective.
Sure. That doesn't make it a good creative decision.
One had half a script and got lucky with improv from charismatic stars. Other had zero script and improv like 90% with no direction.
Gorr could've saved this movie. Instead of focusing on the children of Asgard, they should've followed him finding unworthy Gods and doing what villains do best, over-explaining himself. Exposing all of the bad deeds of the Gods he kills would make him more relatable. Almost like a Punisher for the Gods, but he eventually goes too far. Maybe something about Jane's death and it's effect on Thor would make him realize he's as bad as the Gods he is killing. It would make Jane's sacrifice and Thor's promise at the end have more weight.
I love Taika Waititi but he needs someone to pull him back from the brink. I call Love and Tunder going "full Waititi" and there was a time I thought I'd be on board with that but no.
To me, they took all of the character development and seriousness of Thor from infinity war and endgame and just threw it out the window. Thor was the God of Thunder in any other MCU movie besides the ones directed by Taika Waititi. In Ragnarok and Love and Thunder, he was just comic relief.
"I feel like after Thor "killing" Zeus it should had been a Warriors like chase with the God's stalking Thor while Thor is looking for Gorr.." 🤔
Great analysis
Hey now! Awesome comparison and breakdown.
I think a scene that was repeated that showed the difference between the two movies was the play. The scene worked in Ragnorok because everyone knew it was Loki being self-agrandizing (plus the meta humor of Hopkins playing Hiddleston playing Hopkins). Also it moved the plot because Thor knew immediately it was Loki. The play in Love and Thunder had none of that going for it and didn't work.
If they hadn't cut out all the gor and Zeus scenes love and thunder would have been better than ragnarok. My biggest complaint with ragnarok is it had 0 heart after Odin died. Litterally nothing after that moment was taken seriously. Even the death of his friends and home were played for jokes. Whereas the ending of love and thunder was beautiful. This amazing commentary on loss and they let thor feel the emotion of losing someone he loved, whereas they just turned the destruction of Asgard into a joke. I actually really don't like the third act of ragnarok, it could have had humor and still had better tone to fit the stakes.
I want a directors cut for love and thunder since the studio apparently made him cut out over a half hour of the film
I loved when the hammer broke in peaces and came back to together with the noise is it sounded so cool
Love and Thunder lost me when Thor did the Van Damme split in the first fight scene
13:34 who complained about thors tattoo? That’s a huge stretch
Remember that episode of the Simpsons when Homer become smarter, and goes to see a movie? Everyone else laughs at all the lame jokes and references, but he thinks it's just stupid? That was me with this. I mean, I was happy to be going out again and all, but still...
Thor: The Dark World wasn’t that bad. The high fantasy tone helps it stand out from the majority of the MCU.