The Reason European Prospects Will Take Over the NBA
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2023
- Gilbert Arenas gives the reason why European Prospects Will Take Over the NBA detailing how the rise of European superstars like Luka Doncic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Nikola Jokic and Victor Wembanyama all leads back to the NCAA.
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I signed with panathinaikos at 14 and went through the academy. Went pro at 16 and still went to school. In most of Europe, the athletes go trough a special program at selected schools. The clubs work with the schools/universities to help athletes combine their athletic career with their education.
Cool. How did your pro life pan out? Would love to hear your story!
@@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE So its more like how athletes are in university in the US. But just 4 years earlier?
gil is wildin, my cousin did the same for soccer, didnt work out for him now he has a degree and works a regular job.
How much time did you spend in school every day?
@@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE I played in Greece and finished my bachelor degree while playing pro. The downside of coming trough the academy is sometimes that they don't value you the way they do foreigners. I left for Spain for more money and more minutes. I played there for 6 years and finished my career in Turkey.
I stayed healthy long enough to make a good living and retire without financial worries. Unfortunately that isn't the case for most players.
lol this is so wrong, Oversea young players go to school, its mandatory of them. when they done with their 5-6 hrs of classes 3-4 days a week they're straight in their facility training. They also put in time to learn multiple languages. Gil really needs to go to europe & see how the system actually works
He was specifically talking about how they can go PRO! While still in school y’all really don’t listen.
@@eli-jah he literally said they don’t go to school
@@Blank9458 So you’re saying they go actual class for 8hrs? Then be a pro.
5-6 hrs 3-4 days, compare that to the how the US handles schooling, with standardized testing, college admission and etc. THE FACT theyre even allowed to go PRO that early, is culturally different then the US. thats what he was saying, the details were a bit wrong but you could easily fill in the gap on whats being saying.
they even forced mfers to goto college with the 1 year rule, think about that. they purposely stopped teams scouting high school players, and waiting to groom them in the leagues programs.
Exactly, it’s just certain clubs have academies. It’s more like IMG academy where the academics revolve around the training schedule. They still gotta pass secondary/high school
As someone who played in Europe (UK, France), Gil is wrong about the school part. Kids still have to go to class and take exams and all. Now the difference is most teams have junior academies that run the same sets as the pros, so these kids get exposure to pro level play early on, including travel to other countries, etc. The downside to this is it CAN make their games quite rigid, with little creativity or flair, making them system players that don't do well with more free flowing basketball.
-- another podcast noted that in Serbia/Eastern Europe, every player trains every skill. Bigs can handle the ball, pass, and shoot. Smalls can post, go down low, etc.
For decades, Americans bigs were just big -- posting up and setting picks. It's why the Elder Sabonis was raining down 3s and passing like a PG back in 1995-96 despite having no knees.
@@jlui21 Very true. I'm 5ft9 and know almost every high post/low post move cuz they make us learn everything. It actually helped as a guard to understand how bigs think and move.....made it easier to know when and how to pass them the ball.
#2handscanchange1
But on the other hand the European players are moulded from an earlier age much better than the American kids in terms of coaching. American kids like to practice trick shots, dunks and flair like you said while the European kids work on their fundamentals. Yes they are completely wrong about the school part. I can guarantee you all the Serbian players in the NBA like Nikola Jokić, Bogdan Bogdanović and even the new rookies like Nikola Jović all attended high school while playing professional basketball for their youth teams. Europe doesn't have the NCAA equivalent like in the US. The US has an entire enterprise of college basketball connected to the NBA including corporate sponsors, scouting, coaching and the large pool of players that are directly drafted into the NBA. It's big business.
This is why what LaVar did with Melo was so "controversial"
Agreed
Exactly white supremacy real. They don't want another Lebron. They want Giannis and Embiid they take their checks quietly. So they create a disadvantage. I don't think they should be eligible for Rookie of the year. They aren't real Rookies.
Lavar destroyed Melo with useless barbaric nonsense
training.
It's Lithuania bro.
It's not that serious.
It's not like France, Spain, Germany or Turkey
@@LuchianM1how ?
I can't speak for other countries but in Serbia high school (ages 15-18) is not mandatory, but I don't think I've ever seen a basketball player without a high-school degree. They can miss some classes if they travel but that happens like once or twice a month. I think the main difference is having young European players in the locker-room with some older players so they get accustomed to higher level of play earlier compared to their American counterparts. Also, most of the time when a young player makes a mistake he gets berated and sent to the bench. Coaches don't care if you're 18 or 32 because there's a certain level of standard that is expected of a paid professional. That's why they turn the ball over less and they play more mature basketball. I don't think the States will ever adapt because colleges in the US are running a borderline slavery scheme considering profit they make off of their stars.
I wonder how many americans go to college to pursue a sports career and end up sitting on that college debt when they don't make it..
the modern education system is rotten to its core
@@schizoking4509 U know kids get schalrships to play sports at uni level if ur that good right???? I don't understand ur comment
Yeah, Gil is misinformed here. Club sports overseas still have an educational requirement. We also have some semblance of those here in the States, it's just that they don't always start as early. Those are schools like LaLum in Indiana, for example.
What’s Gilbert talking about? These kids go to school as well 😂
Less hours and less days
@@j_quan2594 Less hours. But that’s not limited to kids in athletic programs. Generally speaking, kids in most countries have shorter school days
@sbonelomsibi2955 Hes saying since kids spend less time in school so they have more time to develop their game. They aren't spending 8 hours 5 days a week on school like we r in the US
@@j_quan2594 they literally do 9-5 usually thats 8 hours lmfao you guys are clueless
@@j_quan2594 no he's just coping and finding excuses. In Europe we don't cry about the fact that we have half of the half of the infrastructures y'all have
I think he’s confused, the players in youth academies still go to school in Europe
But do they go to school or do they go to school like D1 players
That’s what I was thinking.
Their academy has an education component as well.
@@user-us3xi7se5byou can just go to the gleague if you don’t want to go to school
@@user-us3xi7se5b they go to actual school, you think there are just 10 year olds not going to school?
remember hs and college basketball has limitations on practicing
Gil speaking passionately on a system he knows nothing about 😆
Yooooo!! Exactly!!! Kids go pro early yes but they still have school obligations. They don't suddenly wake up at 15 and don't have to go to school ever again. Damn Gil, at least ask questions and figure out what the system elsewhere is like before the hot takes
@@xelaander8429 very American of him to shoot first and ask questions later
😂😂😂
They still gotta be at school 😂😂 Tf they gonna make money on a t shirt deal 😂😂😂
@@xelaander8429 there is a difference between a 15 year playing vs other 15s… and Luca being 15 playing vs pro adults. You learn a lot more, faster, and higher levels of skills set. Even if they go to school too… they have higher quality sport they are in.
I can mainly speak of Football here in Europe, but school is mandatory if you are in a pro club at that young age till you finish your degree with 18-19 years. So i get your point, but it's more the point what some folks wrote here in the comments, the difference is that you can play and learn from older players. See their work ethic, learn some life lessons and that helps a lot to have pretty early a mature playing style.
I've played 7 years in Portugal from 12 to 19. I had to attend every day of school just as any kid. In Portugal you have to attend school until you graduate before go to college. And I can say without any doubt that in USA you have much better conditions to develop as a basketball player than here, because you have such a stronger basketball culture and infrastructure, while here we are football (the real one) dominated.
What you guys need to understand is that kids in europe do go to school, just like any other kid. There may be a few cases of home school but mostly their life moves through academies, where they practice 3 times a day, go to school the rest of the time and go to sleep and wake up early
and those academies probably care more about the academics than nearly all american colleges known for their sports lol
@@sangun123 yes pretty much. This is how we think over here: no one can assure you youll be a pro, so you need something to fall back on. Besides the academies bring order to the kids lives
Well in the case of Embiid, he didnt even start playing basketball till he was 16 years old and he went to highschool here in the US at Montverde in Florida, the same School Ben Simmons and Diangelo Russell went to. So... That being said there are certain High Schools here in the USA that are basically basketball academies like Montverde and the West town school in West Chester PA suburbs of philly.
Yeah, clearly Gil has no idea how things work overseas. When I played in Argentina all the younger guys in my club still went to high school. And the older ones even still went to college.
And to take it a step further: in Chile they would play on BOTH their college teams and for a pro club (though college basketball there was kinda more like intramurals but against other colleges).
A big difference is that other countries’ education systems are a lot better and more efficient than ours. They only go to school for 4-5 hours a day but cover way more material than our kids do.
Gil needs to educate himself a bit more before he opens his mouth.
Exactly he obviously wasn’t paying any attention in school which is why he Fu#%^|ked up his career 🤦🏽♂️
@@johnaponte415 1) super dumb comment. Has zero context into what I said. 2) Gil actually has stated numerous times that he’s left money on the table in his career…so, yes, he did “mess up” his career to an extent if he himself feels he could’ve made more money but didn’t due to some of his own decisions 🤷♂️
@@joebucketsTV Not talking about money but of his incident bringing guns to the locker room. After that nobody wanted to deal with him. He was talented for sure but also was some what lazy and was known for showing up to training camp out of shape. He also tends to throw a lot of hate towards other players acting like he was MJ,Lebron or Kobe which again he was good but not at that level not even close.🤷🏽♂️
@@johnaponte415 then I apologize, as maybe I misinterpreted your comment?
But yes, I actually think talent-wise he was in the same category as those guys you named. As a guy myself who played D1 and overseas in the late 2000s/early 2010s, you weren’t going to find many of us guards playing at that high of a level who didn’t literally look up to Gil.
HOWEVER, I 1000% agree with you that his bad decisions, laziness, and unprofessionalism ultimately prevented him from being as good as he should’ve been. You are spot-on. That’s kinda the big thing with Lebron: he’s so professional and takes his career seriously. Invests millions into his body each year. Doesn’t do dumb shit on or off the court. Lebron lacks in the “skill” category quite a bit: below average shooter and ball handler, not a lot of offensive weapons, etc) but because he works so hard on his body and athleticism, he has EASILY made up for those deficits. And Gil just didn’t do that and had to retire at like 30, which is crazy
@@joebucketsTV I agree 100% on your assessment. He did have the talent of those a guys & had he been as driven as them would have absolutely been regarded at the same level of them. The only reason he didn’t reach it is because of himself.🤷🏽♂️👍🏽
Kids in the EU still go to school, regardless that they may be pursuing a pro career. What they don't do, is go to college, for the most part. The difference is that the US has AEU and High school programs, etc. In the EU we have local teams with sports programs. Every city has one. Sometimes more than one local team. The big clubs often scout players from local teams. These local teams take part in regional championships (leagues, if you will) that are ranked in different divisions. For the most, these championships and divisions are under the country's national sports program/association, which in turn are linked to the EU associations. But most countries in the EU have it mandatory that kids go to school until the end of high school, regardless if they play a sport for one of the top clubs.
I know gil is heated his kid has to sit in class instead of gettin up shots 💀
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They should change the G-league minimum age to 15 and have a virtual GED program (or something similar) that would allow kids to complete their high school education in less time and on their own schedule. That level of focused commitment to the sport would flush out the weak and propel the strong forward without wasting time and energy on a college career that lasts one year.
That could work in some capacity but Kids bodies and Game may develop at later stages.
A GED isn’t something that any kid should be working towards at 15 yrs old especially when they have a 1% chance to make it to the league regardless of their upbringing. Sports are not life and unfortunately it takes until reality hit for people to realize it
@@BestSteak there are tons of leagues in Europe which pay well to fall back on as well as other jobs as sports trainers, coaches etc that they could lend expertise on.
Our school is 8hr a days, while there's are 5-6hr a day. They literally don't have gym/art/music classes everyday. They have club teams for that.
In Europe, kids continue to go to school.
Around the age of 17 or 18, they don't need to go to university to continue playing because we have clubs that train young people and youth championships in their training phase.
the differentiating factor is not talent but the quality of training that is not just concerned with making money.
Hopefully someone let's Gil know that he doesn't actually have to send his kid to school. Just home school him and let him play with the nearest public school. If you really think it's a guarantee to work out for you, give it a shot. Legally home school kids can play for their nearest public school.
Gil needs to learn more about european players and the system over there. If you are good you are going to shine sooner or later
As someone who did A LOT of school, I can tell you it’s a waste of time and money and NOT a requirement to make money in this country. Especially as a pro athlete if you have the one in a million talent, skill and work ethic, if you are old enough to go fight in foreign wars, you are also old enough to earn a bag. FOH anyone who disagrees. I don’t give one single solitary F if athletes can read and write. If they want to go to school after they’re already in the league but because they want to learn something, of course, be my guest, but don’t make it an arbitrary requirement that everyone knows is only so the crooked NCAA doesn’t lose money and never designed with any genuine intentions of having the athletes actually earn a degree despite that being the illusion that they sell everyone.
I think the main reason is a matter of a fact that there are more players to pick from, so there are gonna be a higher chance of finding great talent. Ex. if Giannis never really knew much about basketball or was never scouted in Greece we would have missed out on an all-time great. There are undoubtedly people like that in the world rn.
But that doesn’t really explain why they are increasingly getting much better and dominant. Their baseline skill set, IQ and coordination are much more advanced than USA counterparts due to focus on foundational skills from a young age
Yeah, I agree with this take. It’s like with boxers, but reverse. Boxers start very young typically and perfect their craft for a decade+ before going pro, so it’s hard to start and catch that curb. Our system is slowed down, so foreign great players are able to maximize their potentials early in the profesional game. Our athletes have to go through the cycle of learning the game @ 2 very different levels before starting to train professionally. @@Geeandrezzi
@@Geeandrezzi I think the explosion in the being more picked up is more so due to technology than anything else back in the 90's and early 2000's it was hard to actually scout foreign talent you'd have to first hear about said talent and or go to big and well known orgs, nowadays with technology foreigners are getting more advanced due to having access to highlights and film via the internet that people in the past couldn't access easily. As well as the scouting team having even more access to foreign film and hearing about foreign players than before.
@Gee Andrezzi thats not because Europeans IQ is getting better fam.. its cus American kids learning worse habits and doiing less focus on fundamentals in AAU and school. The focus for Americans is the highlight package to send to colleges and go viral. Europeans have always entered the NBA with good fundamentals because they play against vets at a much younger age and the focus is on getting minutes and impressing their coach with smart bbiq. Pre-interent the fundamentals gap of American and intl players was much more smaller, now its enormous. Aint no US kids entering the league after 4 years of college learning to develop as part of a team no more. They need to stand out as individuals and get stats, and the bbiq suffers as a result.
if you gave these american players even more time, theyd develop even more bad habits. when u think of a luka and jokic, these are the best players out their respective countries and sent to academies abroad. Overtime Elite is supposed to be an academy in theory but its kids playing vs kids. Gil's kid has more resources than 98% of players in the world, even a open gym isnt accessible for a lot of hoopers.
There's a difference. We have the aau, high school and college. Kids are getting paid to an extent with NIL. And lets be honest the major difference is the fact that we actually play more while euros play a season and TRAIN more doing drills. But the focus is only on the few foreign players (center is the only position foreigners are dominating). But wings are different. We're too focused on shooting and slashing and not movement, control, defense,, etc
I think the real difference is that a huge amount of to level players high school and college experience is playing vastly inferior competition. Imagine you are a Zion Williamson in high school. You just run around dunking on 5'8 kids every day during the year, even in AAU they are playing mostly players who are not NBA level. And then in college they play most of their games against teams that do not have elite NBA caliber players. So they end up making it to the league without ever having really been tested and without ever really having to hone their craft. They just skate by on athleticism.
In the Netherlands there are special sports academies and you can get a professional sports status when in Highschool. This means you are eligible for a significant reduction in school time in Highschool, college and Uni. In Highschool this would mean 6 hours mandatory and the rest teachers will be available when you need them or you can follow extra courses with other classes when it suits you. The rest you have to figure out yourself and with your coaches and teachers. Bad marks means no practice or games. That's how the go pro early in the Netherlands everything is catered to you and your sport.
European players compete against adult talent early in their careers too
Everytime I watch the Olympics USA whooping these Euro teams i still say we got the best players
This is not true.
In Europe, the style is the same as for college in USA.
Meaning, highschool kids go to school and train with the team. And as for NCAA athletes school is made easier for them.
The reason this can't happen is the DRAFT. In Europe you can sign with whomever.
Agreed. I will add to the draft point, the Sports College Industry in US.
They would never let that power and money go.
I think being able to play grown men as a teenager in a professional setting is the main difference between US and overseas prospects.
Well the convo should be about how the idea of pro sports was made. Most of the major sports were college sports. After a lot of the college players left school they needed to do something. So they literally just played games and sold tickets to those games. The convo should now be why isn’t pro sports a curriculum in college?
Biggest difference is US player are not humbled by the game before going to the NBA.
If you're a 13yo dominant player in Europe you're gonna play against players 2-3-4years older an now you're not dominant you have to learn the game, try to find a way to stay on the floor by doing the dirty work etc
If you're a 13yo beast you're a 5 star recruit playing against the same age groupe up until the nba where you can't be that guy anymore and keep crushing kid your age
Gil this is a terrible take. The problem with US kids is the lack of discipline, unwillingness to listen to authority, and clout chasing for IG/Tiktok highlights.
Coaches overseas have way more authority as well
The disrispect of not even trying to get actual facts and information but just speculating on ideas that could so easily be checked is crazy
It's the soccer or football federation approach. You have it so every team can compete in competition, whether they're a big market team or local. It creates a system where from a young age, players have the option to play the sport at the professional level if they're good enough. I live in Australia & just watched my local northern suburbs soccer team beat 2 A League division teams. For Americans that would be like your local club beating LA Galaxy in a competition match.
Idk what Arenas is saying wit the school stuff..yes they are pros at 15 but they go to school like Americans kids do wtf😹😹...he doesn't seem to understand that inside their team in Europe they have a school/tutor so they can graduate high school like an American teenager would lol
Americans can homeschool their kids too. Problem is that the only way to get to the next level is through schools. AAU and club teams are for off-season.
Hopefully he’s pushing for similar academies in the US. Even though they still get an education an environment designed for sports development still creates an advantage.
Dam we got upgrade gil ain’t lieing 💯✊🏾✊🏾
Always 💯💯💯 Gil✌️
European players that turn professional at a young age they still go to school until they have the equivalent of the American high school diploma.
The hours of school are different regarding the European country.
As an example for players that live in France they will go to school from 8am- 6pm and go to practice at night.
(Middle school and high school.)
Practice is from 7-8:30 or 9pm.
I have experienced that all my childhood so i have enough of knowledge about the topic.
Hahahahah it’s illegal not to go to school in any country in Europe, only in USA can you “drop out” aged 11😂
16 is the legal drop out age.
@@vicshephard9231 try that in the Uk, either school, work or your mums getting arrested
“What was the question?” 😂🤣😂 #TwistUp
First time I saw Gil get it wrong in a looong time. Europeans have mandatory school. It's true that they get it easier later on, instead of doing high school (16-18yo) in 2 years, they have a plan to do it in 3 years in some places. But no professional team allows youngings to hang out with the big boys if the academic results are trash.
I know what he's saying
I have noticed amateur boxers who train all day in summer advances much more than other times of year
I seen the one comment saying that they changed the rules for foreign NBA players to adapt faster. Luka did say that it's easier to play in the NBA but if you look at the past Dirk and Nash did not come into the league right away dominating like him.
Nash played college ball, even though he's from Canada he didn't go through the same system as say a Luka.
People understand Luka is the exception not the rule
Nash played in College so what are you talking about?
Today I watched a couple of Gils shows. They are so 'hit and miss' with the themes. And the guy with the laptop always agrees with Gilbert Arenas 😆
I think Gil is only thinking about the top players. In those other countries, if you aren't good enough you also pivot sooner. In the US guys get more time to develop with high school and college
Y'all should listen to Ben Mathurin talking about his school being just for basketball. It was very Tennis-like. I think it's possible here. But these training for 12 hours a day thing from that age is also in question due to the way basketball players have to explode in different directions so frequently. Look at the Ball brothers as an example..
America is already adopting that system. That's why we have the G League and G League Ignite. Even America's soccer league has fully adopted the academy system when they realized that there was no way to ever be competitive in the World Cup with the college and club system.
Looks like foreign born players learn to play with their backs to the basket while USA players find new and interesting ways to carry the ball “legally “ and chuck half court 3’s
Basically “Hommie is dropping 40 a game easily” but can’t read a book 😂 America this has to change
america and canada are the only countries that have high school and college basketball
players from outside of the u.s. and canada usually can join club academies as early as 6
But the problem if America adopts the Euro style of play where at 15 they can go pro, is that most players in the US are technically already doing that or did you forget about AAU? Besides, let's be real, most student-athletes forego the student aspect or did we not see coach carter? Come on Gil, we all know you really didn't attend your classes that much. Based on all your stories you never once talked about sitting in class or talk about a favorite teacher or fave subject, not once. Some of these "student athletes" have some nerd handle his homework and projects or if they were really good, they already have agents by this point and they handle their homework and projects and then have these kids go on training camps and so on.
And where do you see these kids if they're not at class or at the gym? Hanging out, partying, etc. Or trying to make money by selling memorabilia (you mentioned this in one of your talks with RJ btw) or doing a part time job or at home playing video games.
I'm not saying all student athletes are like these, but a lot of them are like this.
Maybe if the 15 year olds are signed to a contract (by their parents btw) then maybe they'd be forced to really be in the gym, but who knows.
And the problem is injuries. We've seen this happening now. With just AAU giving too much programs to young kids their body breaks down much more. look at the NBA players that did AAU nowadays, they're mostly injured. That's the problem. That's when athleticism becomes a detriment to the body. As a child, your body isn't developed yet and they're getting trainings by pros, old guys with already built bodies. Maybe they can adjust it a bit, but learning the plays and being taught the proper moves and plays then maybe it can be offset.
You can't let the kids lift weights at that age and then have them practice near 12-15 hours a day, by 23-27 they're bodies will break down.
“So what was the question?” 😂😂😂
Gil thinks that cause of Wemby and Luka, but wemby at 15 and until he got his high school diploma still went to school. Its just the system that is different. To play basketball you have to go to school, to play basketball in france you have to go to a club, but you still go to school at the same time. In france it is forbidden by law to not go to school until you're 16. Regardless of your structure.
So at 16 you can just drop out and play basketball?
@@GamingCentralTV1 usually people drop out to work but technically you can.
At 15, we are not a pro at all overseas! Only a 1-2 players from the junior teams get to practice with the pros at 17. Each european countries operates differently on how they adapt their school program with athletes.
Gil idk who told you all these man.
Most of the 17 yo who get the chance to be in the pro roster. They don’t even get responsibility or playing time. You gotta be SUPER CAREFUL ELITE. Luka was in the best club of europe and around the best players of europe (Real Madrid). They felt less pressure playing him because he competes every day with them. If you take a middle/low ranked teams, I’m sure that it would be less likely to have a 17 yo kid playing major minutes in their roster. So it really depends the type of clubs and coaches you have in Europe.
the problem is NCAA. There is no reason Spurs Academy, or Lakers academy to not produce the best players in the world. Just the fact that NCAA is somehow attached to basketball is a curse.
Gilbert look like the PBS sign and Gumby had a baby.
Gilbert needs someone like dirk to talk about this topic
Every single athlete in Europe has to go to school.
Overseas players still go to school, while also playing pros. They just don’t train 7 AM to 5 PM in the gym. Wemby belongs at the top of his class in school, and I heard he’s also part of the advanced classes.
Gilbert: " you cant because we have to go to school" 😂
Gil, they go to school. Is just that is an Academy system. They go to school and practice on the Clubs facilities. Academy system can work in the US.
Fundamentals matter, that is why Europeans have had success. That is also why GSW dynasty has had its success.
Gil forgot that education in Europe is the same standard with the USA...this is what happens when you are just limited with USA being the standard for education
I’m from italy, and what gil is sayin is bullshit, even our teenagers have to go to school, so a 15 year old kid is not training in the morning. The only difference is the fact that a young kid can be pro, but he cannot leave school till 16 or 17
🤣🤣 Gil has the wrong concept of sports in Europe being a pro as a 15 or 16 year old is very rare and they are still going to school most of the times
I beg to differ with you guys because the MLS Soccer League has demonstrated that here in America, kids can go to a full time academy system which includes an academic component and the OTE Basketball system has kicked off a professional academy-like atmosphere.
You guys don't actually know what is going on in Europe. They do go to school and the ones that are pros at 15 are the very very talented ones. Unless you are one of the most talented ones, if you suck in school, they get you off the sports program.
LOL did Gil literally say Other countries don't go to School? hahahahhah
LoL does Gil really think European players just don't attend class and play ball all day? Luka finished school the very same way your high schoolers do plus he was playing pro ball with fully grown men at the same time.
An argument can be made that one reason we're seeing so many injuries is these guys are playing too much basketball at too young of an age. Not only does AAU teach the wrong basketball principles. It also taxes their bodies a lot more. I don't think kids get better by simply doing more sooner. Their bodies are still developing. By making them do more sooner you are breaking their bodies down sooner in the process. There has to be a balance.
Foreign players are getting the best of American players because they are more skilled. American players play plenty of basketball. But on the AAU circuit they are reinforcing all the wrong habits. That's the real problem.
I’m definitely a fan of this idea ever since I’ve seen the gymnastic schools in China. And reality if we had special athletic schools 12 hour days wouldn’t be hard to achieve in reality you only need about 3 1/2 hours of actual required school work.
What is gil talking about 😂 I'm from Europe and every kid here goes to school and after school trains and plays ball. High school, college etc. In fact US has advantage for having huge sports programs and training staff in schools for these kids. Europe has school and then after that you go to your teams practice etc.
Rare gil L
wtf !!! kids in Europe still go to school parallel to their training, until age 18 that is.
Going to school is a blessing for most athletes.
morant is the proof
@@mddi1420 lol I'm not sure anyone has figured that guy out.
for real I think it was also proven that if you're a good student you're more likely to be a great athlete
In europe the scholar aspect is implemented to the club formation
I honestly think the problem is our American athletes rely on size and athleticism, our pros are disconnected from the youth.
@Gil's Arena, I'm from the UK, a lot of what you are mentioning is a bit off base. My nephew plays for the under 14 chelsea academy for football and i played for a basketball academy in Southend, you still have to go school full time. Its not 12 hours of getting to work on your game or nothing like that, only difference is at 16 you are not legally required to be in school anymore. So by that point most opt out of school and that's where you have more time to work on your game for sure
Kids in overseas still goes to school with their programs, it is just adapt to their schedules.
If you’re a high enough level prospect in the states it doesn’t matter. You guys remember lebron james’ hummer in high school? His grades were predetermined. He didn’t have to go to no damn school.
Gil is absolutely wrong about kids overseas not going to school by the way. Lots of people have already confirmed this in the comments, I personally know a lot of athletes that went to university and didn't just finish highschool. The main difference for the pro athlete kids is that they get to train in a professional setting, they face way more experienced competition and they also get professional coaching from a young age.
school stuff is incorrect but i like gil
Gil is talkin bs. Luka played pro and went to school same time, Jokic also... Wtf
throwing a 15 year old into the biggest pro basketball league? gil wildin, that 15 yr old would be torn apart
Nah the reason there’s more foreign players dominating is because the game is growing all over the world. There is more scouts coming to europe to watch the kids than before. With more people playing basketball there is more talent
Cap...they changed the rules so foreigners could keep up
It’s not that simple. All of them aren’t coming to the league dominating from day one. They still have to develop, but their baseline skill level and IQ are much more advanced than the average american player who just relies on pure athleticism until the NBA.
Exactly more players higher chance at there being talent.
@@thetroof100 keep telling yourself that😂 Ball don't lie, more people around the world are taking up basketball and It starting to show at the highest level. You should be happy
Not only that. There is a major difference in WHAT they learn in Europe. It's more about learning how to read the game and skip based. In the US, athleticism and developing kids in that direction is much more important.
Giannis is the big exception to the rule, but that dude hit his puberty at 19 😂
That ain’t how it goes…they still go to school, they don’t have school sports so there is more opportunities for them to play. They don’t have to play for a team in their area. If they have too many on a team, not good enough or they don’t play much they can go to another club anywhere…as long as they can get there. So the sorriest mfs still have somebody to play for. Also on some of these lower league teams it’s grown men that still practice/play for fun. If you are considered elite you play against other elite players your age and then you can play on a men’s team that’s 4th league that would have an American maybe and you’re maybe 18/19. Only the top, top players are playing 1st-3rd league which would have your high d1 Americans, G League guys, mid major d1 dudes and d2 all Americans or just Americans that have played their way up. We don’t have as much opportunity to play, once we get to high school for the most part the big dogs are separated from the pups and if u not a big dog that’s probably your last time you get to play organized competitive sports
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I will say this, college development wise is still better, especially sophomores and juniors because they are allowed to mature physically and mentally and learn the game.
No because the longer they stay in college the little they go to the league.
After 18 years old there is no obligation to pursue studies. that college part is skipped
Great topics, not going to comment on. But time will tell.
No. We are being taught the actual fundermentals of basketball not just highlight plays, shooting 3's and dunking. We are not out here making mixtapes. We're putting in the work.
All facts.
Gil got this wrong they definitely go to class overseas. My mentee is a huge soccer star. He came over to work under me at Harvard and was doing school work at 16. He had classes.
I mean in the same breath you also have to acknowledge that our education system is also behind theirs. They finish their standards generally at a younger age I believe than we do but I am not 100% sure on that. I just know the structure and effectiveness is different. I would definitely argue that if you took a kid from overseas at 15 and a kid here at 15 the overseas kid would be further along in education.
My only question would be, what would happen to the kid who doesn’t go to school but just trains all the time, and when he is 18-19, he is not as good as other players? All that time wasted for nothing, and now that kid has nothing, no school, no future career, no education. That system is going to make better US athletes for sure, but it also going to make a country with people with no knowledge or other paths!
This podcast had so much potential and y’all just went downhill so damn fast.
Smh
How?? The last stream was literally the biggest one, this shit only getting better by the weeks.
Right about the topic but it’s only been 2 foreign mvps in the last 5 years and from 05-07 it was only 2 foreign players. Nash and dirk. 08-18 all American.
The 15/16 year olds in europe still go to school. It's like actors in hollywood. The club isn't tied to a university though so after they finish high school, they can focus on basketball
The kids in Europe go to school when they're in the club academy.
Think about how much money these colleges would lose, wow!
Bruh it took you this long to figure out what the question was 🤦🏾♂️
Lmaoo he’s just wrong. They still go to classes. The difference is in the pro am circuit vs our aau circuit.
I live in Iceland. My children, two boys, were into artistic gymnastics. 30 hours training a week. They still finished school, including high school and college. One is an MD the other an engineer.
When this duds imagine that the 15 years old being in the sports program in one of the big European clubs do not do school, they do not know what they are talking about.
School for this kids is a part of the contract the different national associations insists on.
The difference is not school, but that this kids play earlier as professionals. Even if they play in youth competitions, they play according to the same rules, on the same court, with the same ball, as the league.