How would Touhou Music sound in PAL?
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2021
- Here's a question that came from nowhere but that I wanted to make a video on nonetheless, how would Touhou Music sound in PAL? If you've played old games, you should know the result!
Had plenty of fun while making this one, though it will probably seem less detailed than usual, I hope you'll enjoy it nonetheless! #touhou #東方
Sources used for the video:
- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL
- www.diffen.com/difference/NTS...
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Crazy Backup Dancers - > Midly Agitated Backup Dancers
*Mildly Infuriating Killstreak Backup Dancers*
At the long end of Spring
I'd like to think that I'm used to Touhou music being changed, but when it is just a slowdown it kinda hurts my brain.
reminds me of an underpowered PC slowing down games.
You should see what an underpowered PC-98 can do with the games, then. 😃
For real though, changing the tempo isn't the problem, it probably has something to do with the composition. Some of those songs weren't meant to be slowed down at all.
I only felt the difference with pc games
TH05 and earlier would indeed play in the format presented here, with only the tempo slowed down, since their music drivers read from a sequence on a regular cycle. However, peculiarly, since the games from TH06 onwards use sample-based music formats, they not only would have a slower tempo, but their pitch would be lower as well. That'd be a bit more than three semitones lower (like going from C to A). I tried it for myself, and it's rather interesting!
And yes, I'm aware that TH02 and 06-08 (and 09's trial) had options for MIDI, and since those were sequenced, they also would play with only tempo slowed. Furthermore, the PC-98's soundcards sometimes supported sample-based sounds, but Touhou never used any.
I didn't know that! Though I thought only the tempo would be affected due to how it only did affect the tempo for older cartridges.
Even then, I suppose it still gives an idea of how it would've sounded.
Swordsman of a Distant Star sounds pretty interesting like this ngl... Always thought it went a bit too fast for its own good near its end
It's true that Konngara's theme goes a bit too fast...but again once you play the game, it really gets you in the mood.
So...I'm a bit split on the theme in question, but it still sounds good. 😀
The eosd slowed music gave me flashbacks to the day I tried fixing the game to stop slowing down, fucking vpatch
Well, see it that way...at least you can play it~ 😉
The vpatch doesn't work on some copies, or it has a very unstable behaviour on others.
@@Surnist Yeah I'm very glad it ended up working, it's my favorite game in the series, it's just a shame it's so unstable. I had to patch it in 3 different occasions because at one point I fucked up the files, chose the wrong translation, etc.
Lunate Elf sounds so much more melancholic when slowed down like that, I like it honestly. Adventure of the Lovestruck Tomboy and Because Princess Inaba is Scolding Me are probably the ones I found the worst compared to the original speed.
Meh, I found Because Princess Inaba is Scolding Me pretty relaxing.
....good vid. The music doesn't sound too bad really.
As it did in the old days really, Europe had 50 hertz games and they didn't know better. So...they were accustomed to slower versions. 😄
@@Surnist huh..... interesting.......
i mean it's Touhou ofc it sounds good
Playing in Pal literally makes this game harder, because I'll sleep in middle game cause the music too calm and relaxing, meanwhile original one us really fast which bring mood on battle.
Of course that wouldn't have been the case with the Windows game's music, because those have streamed PCM-audio... but still, nice video.
PC98 however I can totally imagine as slowed down Mega Drive FM audio.
Of course, it wouldn't have been possible with Windows audio, but I still wanted to do it with some other songs out of curiosity.
Though it's true that PC-98 has a sound chip close to the Megadrive's so it could totally sound like that.
@@Surnistplease make full 50hz versions of all the PC-98 music. I especially want to know how Theme of Eastern Story sounds
You missed the opportunity to depict everyone as short and squat versions of themselves.
Huh i will cover myself here with this undesirable burning hot sun under my head.
Come to brazil.
why?
@@missakiuwu7424 come to brazil
@@ize7821 mas já sou do Brasil
@@missakiuwu7424 come to brazil
I feel like it sounds better on PC-98 tracks. I can already think of a few I’d like to apply this effect to.
Aside from Touhou 6 (which sounds very special even normally) they sounded quite good
Well the problem of Lunate Elf is the off-beat percussion, which sounds strange if you listen carefully at any speed. Slowing it down makes it more obvious but that being said, it's still a very good song.
1:34 Slow becomes fast and Fast becomes slow
2:05 Kana when she is just wandering around
2:34 Lunate Elf but has weird swing beats
3:05 A bit slower from the original
3:35 Cirno's theme became a dancefloor groove
4:04 when Minoriko's theme should actually sound like this
4:34 Stage 1 when reaching endgame
5:04 when the Crazy Backup Dancers dance in a slow music
(These are just my personal preferences.)
Y'know, it wasn't all that bad. I enjoyed those slowed down themes quite a bit even!
Same lol
I have heard enough doujin music that I honestly can't tell the difference.
the title had me so confused...
i only associated PAL with speedruns
this vid must be really interesting...
sadly i cant hear it, i heard all of these so many times my brain just auto replaces them with the normal version
There are some PAL speedruns, but that only applies to the game in itself, so the music that you have within that game is also considered by extension "PAL". But there's a noticeable difference if you prick your ears. 😀
It's felt so wrong...like a gender reveal party :)
But honestly tho, some tracks sounds better than i expected .
PCB Stage 1 would make me fall asleep in PAL same with PoFV
I'm commenting again, but I'd actually love a full upload of these. I'm such a fan of PC-98 music, it'd be a blessing to have those especially.
You know that feeling of waking up at 5 am JUST at sunrise in your room? That otherworldly feeling? I felt that exact thing with Crazy Backup Dancers slowed down.
I could definitely vibe to most of these PAL versions
This was really interesting to hear! Good video!
I’M GONNA NEED FULL VERSIONS MISTER
4:35 this would be a great main menu or ending credits music
I've been playing Mountain of Faith a lot recently, since it is the only Touhou game I have, and listening to a slowed down version of Minoriko's theme was somewhat bizarre.
Babe wake up! New Surnist video
Nice video PAL
The touhou music very awesome thank you Surnist ❤️
It would sound like beans
4:34 - basically the very first tutorial bright field area in every rpg maker game love it
Gotta go fast mulekeeeee!!!!🇧🇷
ça devient vraiment relaxant à 50HZ, c'est agréable je trouve
I honestly really like kana's theme in pal
Vanishing Dream was surprisingly nice.
Cirno themes actually fits now, ice does mean slower Technically
Or just cirno cooled down the world
Yes!
"Casual Stroll of the Lovestruck Tomboy"
Pc-98 getting regonized. Respect.
Content warning, contains spooky jumpscare at 5:33. You have been warned.
To project is my favorite anime
It's like ...speed video x0.75/x0.80
& I actually quite like it
The music doesn't sound too bad minus Cirno's theme and Ali Sisters themes but maybe that's because I'm used to those being energetic and upbeat like I'd think the characters to be. Very cool video!
Most of them don't sound too bad, but that might be due to the quality of ZUN's compositions.
I think I've listened to so many remixes that these don't even sound all that weird lol
It's surprisingy more noticeable than I thought especially with the games/themes I've experienced a lot. Funny enough though At The End Of Spring played at that speed kind has the same feel as Sleepy Drive does so it's not THAT odd.
These hurt
Totally excepted all the songs to turn into the Witch Doctor song
It sounds pretty nice to me, although it feels pretty slow indeed after soo much time listening it on a faster pace
crazy backup dancers is cursed
I loved it. Touhou ported to my homeland. Crazy backup dancers really is the only one it doesn't work for
everyone that lived in the EU had to listen to durby destruction 2 in PAL that sounded like a sloppy second
Could this also be applied with emulators like Retroarch as with the pc98 games feel slower and the music sometimes weird in some cases?
My fav of this vid has been destroyed, rip Lunate Elf DDD:
Nevertheless, do you make yourself the pictures of characters ? If not, how to get them ? I'm very interested by them. :o
Nope, I don't make those myself! Those portraits are made by baba seimaijo: twitter.com/baba15207048 .
But yeah...poor Lunate Elf. 😄
As someone who has downloaded all of the bgms from Highly Responsive to Prayer to Double Dealing Character and listens to them while driving. It's weirding me out when they are slowed down, especially the fast parts
Noice
Honestly the first example I actualy prefere. Just the slower way made it more fitting for a final battle to me.
Ngl the music sounds good we'll at least some of them
If these were to be remastered with jazz instruments then put through a lofi filter, that’d be some really cool lofi hip hop!
0:31 My country is exception
Rare to see Yatsuhashi as the cover of something.
We yatsuhashi fans are pleased.
All 5 of us.
"How would Touhou Music sound in PAL?"
no.
Cirno's theme sounded really cool actually
I can hear the melody of the songs more in the PAL so its not bad.
oh?
play at 1.25 for normal speed
Iunno, I kinda like Konngara's theme, Lunate Elf and the PCB Stage 1 themes in the slower versions, they seem to fit a bit more given they are for more sedate characters and stages but Cirno's definitely doesn't match her character in the slightest.
"Cover yourself well!"
Me, who lives in South America: *well, guess I'll die*
So they turn into lofi beats to study to
It might be slower, but it sounds just as good as the full speed. Just hits differently that's all. No different from a cover tbh
True! Lots of covers actually slow or fasten the tempo in order to change the perception of the music. It also depends on the genre of the arrangement.
I'm surprised you didn't try with iku's theme
That's because I went with themes from the main games, and since Iku's a theme from the spinoffs, I couldn't really include it.
Whats the jazz song that played in the back while you were explaining?
It's shown at the end, during the credits.
The Black Eyes by SWING HOLIC.
This makes the songs sound so depressing!!
Some of the latter ones sound really dope actually, got a bit more space to breathe
Can't wait for those 50hz arrangements, then! 🙃
1:34 Where'd you get the illustration of Konngara?
Along with every other illustration (aside from Iku herself), those are all done by baba seimaijo.
How about would Touhou Music sound in PAL-pitched 448Hz EoSD style-tune!
Hazlo
NTSC: -Never The Same Color- National Television System Committee
PAL: Phase Alternating Line
those are some analog tv standards
pal runs at 50Hz
ntsc runs at 59.97Hz
yep
PC-98 music actually sounds nice for PAL, a lot of those are fast-paced songs and slowing them down a bit doesn't make it like you are hearing them while high, like what happens with the modern era songs.
Although... Hearing a slower-paced Crazy Backup Dancers felt nice...
Just sounds like they got easier
Crazy, tired, backdancers
They are crazy tired z.Z
That's what you get after too many years of service at Okina's side. 😄
PC-98 sounded fine but then Lunate Elf came on and I felt like I was having a stroke. Surprisingly Deep Mountain wasn't THAT bad.
So, PAL Touhou is just Touhou with 17% more depression.
HMMMM
1:10 actually the pc 98 didn't output NTSC. The pc-98 output at 55hz~. Which only PC monitors at the time supported.
It didn't output NTSC, but Japan in general was both equipped with 60 and 50 hertz frequencies, although all appliances were set to use NTSC, though it's true that they refreshed at a rate of 56,4hz. But for the PC-98 music, since they are directly taken from Akyu's Untouched Score, they were probably re-composed to fit 60 hertz.
the first two tracks sound alright, kind of like prefer them slowed down actually tbh, Lunate Elf and Paradise - Deep Mountain definitely should not be slowed down dear lord...Adventure of the Lovestruck Tomboy....kind of in the middle, not the worst sounding when slowed but definitely not as good as it is originally. Because Princess Inada is Scolding Me's also kind of nice when slowed down, cant say the same for At the End of Spring tho... Crazy Backup Dancers is definitely among the worst with Lunate Elf and Paradise Deep Mountain...intresting idea tho honestly.
why is he only playing the songs I've never heard *cri*
Somehow sound smoothly slower?
Shouldn't the tune be lower as well ?
Actually...no! The games in question were slowed down in speed but not in pitch. The two are distinct and that can be seen in games where the developers tried to adapt the music for the PAL versions, but ended up making it faster.
The first Super Mario Bros. game is a good example, where the music in the PAL version is faster but not increased in pitch.
I feel that early Windows games slowed down got it the worst
isn't the same like changing the tempo?
It is. However it's exactly what happened during those days where PAL was still a thing.
I wonder how the timing of the music like in for example PCB Stage 4 would be fucked up.
Surprisingly, the core melody isn't affected too much, but you can feel the song takes ages to start.
Many of these do sound good but I feel like they don’t go that well w/ the fast-paced nature of STGs (and breakout ig bc HRtP)
Some of them sounded just different but the slow ones felt as if the game is dying or something lol
Who's that girl in the thumbnail?
It's Yatsuhashi Tsukumo from Double Dealing Character.
The N64 was a rather unfortunate example. N64 game music was not slowed down in PAL regions. In fact, neither was SNES music, quite unlike the Mega Drive.
Some games were though, I know it's not the case for all of them since some were optimized. A good example of this are the Banjo-Kazooie games, which were developed by Rare and as such, they knew how to optimise things to not make them slower. Same goes for the SNES, NES and even some CD games of the sixth generation of consoles.
The music issue was mostly fixed in the SNES era, but the PAL issue was still there. So in the great majority, we did get slower games and most times, slower or weirdly affected music.
Honestly, the PC-98 musics sound good in PAL version. But from EoSD to the end, it all sounds so... weird. Not bad, but it's just weird
Real drummer could play these drums.... probably
nah I would prefer the NTSC than the PAL one... The PAL one sounds a bit off to me... As well the NTSC sounds a bit catchy and perfect for me to listen to...
Oh definitely, but that's just a question I was asking myself, and I wanted to see how it would render. The NTSC is the original and it sounds better without a doubt.
Haha you cant fool me, cause I did not even listen to the original songs UwU