How Marvel Ruined Hawkeye | Deleted Scenes & Hype Culture
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Disney Plus had it's latest Marvel Cinematic Universe show with Hawkeye... but for some reason it ended up feeling messy, slow, and at times confused. After discovering the show had deleted scenes, it all became very clear. What the show was meant to be was not what it ended up being.
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Despite being a deleted scene, Clint getting his mom arrested stuck with me MORE than the scene where Eleanor was arrested. I seriously forgot about it until you mentioned it.
Shudve been Kate vs her mom in a dialogue exchange maybe and not Kate against big dude she knows nothing about
@@Browntable I'm glad you feel this way about Hawkeye as I was always frustrated with the underdevelopment and sidelining of Storm. Only used as a plot device sometimes but never view her internal struggles.
@@suzygirl1843 I may disagree with you, But i do see on what you getting.
@@suzygirl1843 xmen storm?
I do agree about the “””hype””””section of the video, episode 5 was a few days before Spider-Man NWH too so we basically got both kingpin and daredevil confirmed so the hype was definitely real.
You right, to create hype for NWH they deliberately messed the plot of Hawkeye.
Sacrificing the integrity of the art for the almighty dollar, sounds very Disney.
Episode 5 was released the same day as pre release no way home
Tbh every Marvel disney+ so far has had hype problem
In the uk no way home released same day as ep 5 so we got kingpin and daredevil in the same day
That small deleted scene revealing they knew each other as kids should definitely have been in and I really don't get why they cut it. Building up hype is not worth taking out much - needed character development like that. Clint Barton's backstory completely getting scrapped is also mind - boggling to me. Not having enough time in a guy's OWN SHOW to use some of the airtime to his backstory is completely ridiculous!
Where do they put it? It was cut for pacing.
@@TheDCbiz The problem is the way they built the show so much around hype they no longer would have a good place to put it. If the show was handled better though his backstory would have worked perfect with the pacing
@@strigijoe8685 1) What does it mean that the show was built around hype? Do you mean it was built around a kingpin reveal at the end of the show? Every mcu Disney+ show has had a surprise villian but I haven't heard of falcon and winter soldier or Loki being built around hype for Kang or Sharon as the power broker. Or does that mean it was built around the murder mystery of who killed Armand?
2. Given the show and at best the deleted scenes so what was filmed, where do you out his back story? In ep 1 we see Kate witness Clint during the battle of New York and become inspired by him then her origin and being suspended. Then we see Clint and his family and what sours the plot of the show the auction and Kate dawning the suit. Every ep follows that. Ep 2 follows directly off of that. Ep 3 we see how echo is related to Clint and her origin. Ep 4 carries off of ep 3. Ep 5 I supposed could've fit in Clint's origin but where do you out it that it makes sense of pacing? Beginning before intro and then pick up with him at grills? It fits in the intro but doesn't really match the pacing for that ep I guess with him being ronin fighting Maya maybe but would still feel kinda outta place. Ep 4 as a nightmare sequence or b fore the intro of ep 5 would be the only places to out it imi
@@TheDCbiz Hawkeye is not a good show compared to the other marvel Disney shows ok. There were deleted scenes that were necessary to at least make a better show.
@@caylya7869 In your opinion. In my opinion it's right behind Loki in terms of my enjoyment. I actively disliked mcu Clint and didn't give a shit about comics or any interpretation of Hawkeye. This show made me like mcu Clint Barton as one of my fav original 6 avengers. Even made me interested to read the Matt faction run of Hawkeye in the comics since it was so influenced. As someone who wanted mcu Clint dead in Ultron I now want to see more of him training young avengers. But that's just my 2 cents. And this is all before seeing the deleted scenes which I'm prefer to have reminded deleted. The scene with clint and his mom could've been a dream sequence and chopped up a little bit in ep 4 when he sleeps and is reminded of Nat but it doesn't bother me if it's not in the show I don't think it exactly fits considering he'd become a shield assissian and then mass murderer in endgame anyway
Bruh the whole "don't reveal the villain until the end" and therefore not having any cool hero/villain dynamic or any villain exploration they literally just did in Book of Boba, Disney love that shit.
And they are doing the same thing in their animated movies. When eas the last time we got a proper villain/antagonist that oposed the hero/prptagonist' ideals in one of those? Most of the times those movies end up with twist villains (either being good guy turns out to be bad or "bad" guy was misunderstood and is actually good) that are only revealed on the third act and end up being completely forgetable
It worked for WandaVision perfectly but now its repetitive, I hope Moonknight doesn't do that
@@RepeatedAxe It worked for WandaVision because Agatha was revealed at the end of episode 7 out of 9 with Agatha and Wanda being the only main characters in episode 8. Hawkeye and Book of Boba didn't really do that. Their villains showed up in the penultimate episode to just fight the protagonist in the finale. No backstory or time spent with the characters like WandaVision gave Agatha.
@@sebasoler5347 Thank god for the Boys.
Although not a villain, they’ve done the same in She-Hulk with Matt Murdock 😐
And i've never more pissed at marvel for deleting scenes than for this series..How could you mess up that bad🤦♂️🤦♂️
Where would they put the scenes at?
@@TheDCbiz they just need to make the episodes longer, it can still be a mini series with like 10 episodes
@@TheDCbiz wherever they were originally...deleted scenes aren't scenes that were added in post-production...they're scenes that was cut in post-production so just put them back where they originally belong
@@jerichobrandon3571 But scenes aren't filmed in order we'd have to look at where the scenes were in the script and again pacing can still be thrown off when directing vs on paper
They didn’t.
100% agree. I think the deleted scenes with Wilson were so crucial and a way better introduction. Some stuff seems like it was literally ripped from Daredevil since he had his black suit on. What a waste, man.
But yea, the Disney+ shows haven’t even come close to the heights of the Netflix shows. Daredevil seasons 1 and 3 are basically flawless from start to finish. I don’t think we’ve had that with Marvel Disney+ shows just yet. I also think the 6 episode structure hurts these shows.
Ironacly the weakest season from daredevil is the one that spent more time building up the punisher, elektra and the entire hand clan with no worth pay off with the defenders. That basically the problem with most mcu proyects after endgame.
@@InitialAA yeah i can deny that. I fact i wish the entire season was about him and daredevil.
@@motor4X4kombat all the punisher stuff (and a majority of the hand stuff) was completely badass tho.
It just had too many plots at once while trying to set up the Defenders and that was where it struggled.
I wouldnt even say the Defenders is even close to being bad (the team ups and conversations between the characters, specifically Matt and JJ, where awesome along with teh fight scenes). The story and villains were just disappointing
I disagree. I think 6 EPs make the shows more lean and accessible as well as where would you out the deleted scenes
@@motor4X4kombat season 2 was packed with more plot lines than the rest of the show. It had the Punisher and Elektra stories and I was rooting for the former more due to how bland the Hand was. The season came out losing focus but it still made for a decent entertaining watch. The amount of eps allowed them to juggle everything out precisely enough, the same can’t be said for these D+ shows sadly
i get they wanted to put a little bit of emphasis on kate bishop since she's a new character but the fact that we have an entire show dedicated to clint barton and we still don't know anything about him other than "he has a wife a kids" is honestly laughable.
He has a wife and kids but don't forget.... He uses a bow and arrow
@@coritrottman9699 i wonder how many mcu fans even know that he's supposed to be a former carnie and he has a brother named barney
@@coritrottman9699 Don’t forget… he got bad ear
@@shelfenthusiast I definitely disagree thats all we know about him, but some backstory (specifically the deleted scenes) would have done wonders for the character
The series was on Hawkeye not Clint or Kate😛 .. but Hawkeye only Marvel fans understand.... See now the Hawkeye position is transferred to Kate.. that's the part of new Avenger... ☺️ Even the last fight scene if you observe carefully you can see the Christmas tree which is similar to the spider man's movie no way home... N there is a chances of her in Spiderman as well... Moreover she will be in the echo and ant man... The deleted scenes proves everything... Because season 2 of Hawkeye in the form of movie will be available...
I'm just so sick of the whole "saving everything for the last episode" thing. These guys have yet to figure out how to properly write & pace a TV show.
Plus its series need more episodes.
@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 right?! The 6 eps format is ruining every show they are doing. Moon Knight suffer so much from that.
Honestly, you can’t call them tv shows. They’re just Disney+ shows. Tv shows have more quality, more plot points, pacing like you said, and actual character development. I just put disney+ shows in their own separate category cause they’re just the fast food of tv
Daredevil S1 had this fantastic moment in episode 8, Shadows in the Glass. Matt has been working towards finding out about and then revealing Fisk to the public. He was a menace, hiding behind coverups and in the shadows, but bringing his name into the public mindset would force Fisk to confront the world, and maybe some people would start to look critically at this man. But Fisk reveals himself. He undos everything Matt has been working towards. It is an absolutely glorious reveal, turnabout for the series with Matt being the one in hiding now.
Marvel shows don't even go until episode 8. There is no time for a relationship to build, no time for anything but quips and some basic character development. No time for nuance. And it's making me sad.
I think they relied on Clint’s relationship with Nat way too much in the mcu. He’s literally considered as her spy friend for half of his appearances. This show focused more on him coping with her loss than his backstory and instead gave all of that to Kate. This show gave nothing to me as a Clint Barton fan aside from his relationship with Kate
ironic becuz the show's called hawkeye
@@charlessynowiec3876 its all about Hawkeye
I think you and I watched different shows then. The show was all about Hawkeye and who he is to different people. Him and nat besties. Him and Karen mentor and mentee. He and Yelena bond over nat's death and guilt. Him and weapons are both weapons enacting on loss of a loved one. As someone who disliked Hawkeye in the mcu this show made me really love the character and is top tier mcu imo
@@TheDCbiz the show was a set up for kate bishop just like black widow movie was set up for yelena.
@@jojosoni6355 kind of. We are being introduced to a new avengers maybe young avengers line up but the show isn't about Kate as much as Clint. Yelena is there for Clint. His suit and sword and Hus wife's watch start the story. Kate is almost his side kick very batgirl and Batman feeling.
I was watching the Clint backstory scenes wondering why on earth they would delete this god-tier flashback but then Clint’s mom talked about how the rich don’t use their power to help the poor and then I realized that Disney would never let any of their Marvel properties tackle class disparity.
Uh, did you watch Falcon and Winter Soldier. Even though when they did it, the fans got mad cause they thought it was woke
@@kadiriolanipekun6486 maybe a bit controversial but I felt that show didn’t do enough at the end
@@yash_kapoor I do agree but you have to admit they handle the race issues pretty well for the most part
@@kadiriolanipekun6486 Yeah, just look at the racial profiling scene on CZcams, and you’ll still see a lot of fans yapping about “wokeness”.
@@theobuniel9643 they're just immature little idiots who cant take serious subjects in their superhero tv show
Imagine the first episode being an hour+ long action story featuring Ronin being absolutely brutal . That makes the show have more emotional weight later on due to the consequenses and trauma . Who would say no to more Ronin 🤷♂️
God, this just makes me even more sad. I wanted a whole episode on that Ronin scene from Endgame, they gave us nothing.
Would've loved to see actual 1 hr episodes instead of 30 mins of story and 15 mins of credits.
I’m so tired of every marvel show having a garbage finale because they think revealing a last minute villain or reveal makes a show good. Also can we stop having these shows be an excuse to give them a “comic accurate costume and storyline”. Literally no one would question it if they suddenly show up in the next movie with a new costume.
The fact that we have a whole Hawkeye show and we still don’t really know anything about him is extremely depressing
If they deleted the scenes for times sake that would be the dumbest thing possible. For a streaming service, fitting an episode into a one hour time slot just isn't something a service has to worry about.
RIGHT
While I still really liked the show, I do agree that cutting these deleted scenes was in poor taste because it does take out depth from characters.
I even felt this same way about SOME of the Shang-chi deleted scenes.
Eh, some of the deleted scenes in Shang-Chi were rightfully deleted if you ask me. Like, I’m glad Shaun and Katy weren’t implied to have feelings for each other in the final cut and stayed purely platonic.
Also it's ironic how the netflix shows were criticized for having too many episodes but most of the disney+ shows are being criticized for having too little episodes here's hoping moon knight is good
I remember that!!
@@spider-man500 But they didnt do that they instead put filler.
I think that the Netflix shows were handcuffed by always having to be 13 episodes.
The Disney plus shows have the freedom to be however long they need to be. But they end up seeming like an episode or an arc ended up on the cutting room floor because they don't have an episode requirement and when complications come up(covid in this case).. they're able to just say "well, its 7 episodes now."
Yeah, they need to vary.
Daredevil S1 = 13 eps? Great.
Jessica Jones S1 = 13 eps? Ok.
Luke Cage S1 = 13 eps? Uhh...
Punisher S1 = 13 eps? Zzzzz...
Iron Fist S1 = 13 eps? You gotta be kidding me...
It's especially weird they cut the flashback of Clint and his mom but left in the unnecessary Yelena flashback in episode 5.
What bothers me most about Hawkeye is that it brings to light something Marvel is afraid to do: have characters talk. Every third act in a marvel production always resorts to punch, punch, and more punch. The best scene in Hawkeye was the conversation between Clint and Yelena because even though they fought beforehand, the conflict is resolved with words. But then it cuts back to Kingpin throwing Kate around and it is not nearly as compelling. It’s something I actually really liked about Eternals. Makkari punching Ikaris to hell wasn’t what solved the problem, it was his love for Sersi and his inability to let her go that resolved that conflict.
Basically, things are more compelling when people are punching each other into the dirt
Fun fact; in Captain America: Civil War, Peter Parker has more dialogue than Clark Kent/Superman had in Batman v Superman.
It did wonders for Kate It did absolutely nothing for Clint as a character I felt like the first half of the show should’ve been solely about him and him alone. But instead this show was busy busy busy throwing in every new character that they could with storylines they couldn’t fit in six episodes. I really hope they take a lesson from these shows to make them better
It's annoying that they wanted to make it about Hawkeye and other characters, but not the expensive ones. They even mention Pym particles and have NO ONE from the Ant-man franchise. They are at New York and there's no Peter Parker, Matt Murdock, Doctor Strange, Wong, Shang Chi, etc. They took all the time in the World to introduce a bunch of bland adaptations of one comic run.
@@laurocoman This is Hawkeye's story they don't need to mention characters that have no importance to the storyline.
@@SuperSteph5 those larpers had a lot of screentime for how unimportant they were...
Then you didn’t watch it, because to say it did absolutely nothing for Clint is a flat out lie.
And your feeling that the first half of the show should’ve been solely about him is not only a terrible idea, but shows why you people don’t write these things.
So glad you talked about how Kingpin was being banked entirely on knowing him in Daredevil. I hear lots of people talk crap about how interconnected the MCU is but there's two things I think make it not so bad.
1) for phase 1-3 the MCU was structured as a coherent saga so it was all one thing really. You knew where you had to go if you wanted to understand something.
2) when characters did crossover in movies they were given an appropriate amount of screentime for what they were there for.
Marvel screwing with the show ruined something I thought was done well before.
After seeing this video and hearing about how many deleted scenes have taken away character development in replacement for hype and twitter talk is so aggravating. We already have a good show shot and filmed it just needed to be edited in and this is such a kick in the balls to the fans and everyone involved in those deleted scenes that put their work on it. This is so much worse than hearing talks and articles about things that could have been produced but scrapped, but here we already have it, they just need to put it in. SMH
I’m glad I stuck out Hawkeye but yeah I was underwhelmed and not happy how they knee-capped Clint and Fisk for no logical reason. Also, I’m of the opposite mind that the Yelena inclusion was not done well and I hated how shoehorned in it was and was poorly executed (I’d venture to speculate the deleted scenes are a casualty of this arc shoved in).
I agree with some of your opinions on Yelena. I always felt like her interactions with Kate rubbed me off the wrong way, and the slapstick sequence with the two in Ep 6 felt very jarring.
Totally agreed man. The show had some excellent moments, but it could have been SO much more.
The scene with hawkeye talking to his son on the phone was just perfect. Renner and hailey do so good in that scene.
That Kingpin dinner scene is straight out of season 1 of daredevil even the way its shot.
All I wanted was the fight scenes to be like a Dude Perfect trick video with Hawkeye.
As a fan of the hawkyeye comics I'm severely disappointed with how kazi was used in the show
After thinking about it...adding in those deleted scenes would have levelled up Hawkeye for me, especially the flashbacks with a young clint barton and now comparing that to what Kate Bishop experiences...that would have added so much more to the show.
They expect us to care about Maya and Fisk’s relationship when they have 2 scenes together in the last episode.
This “hype culture” also sadly extends to the Book of Boba Fett, where we could finally get to see a fan favorite character be fleshed out and given more time, but sadly by the middle part of his OWN show, he gets sidelined by newer characters and more “interesting” subplots.
It was so bad that people even started memeing, saying things like “Oh, Boba Fett finally got a cameo in the BOOK OF BOBA FETT.”
I really hope writers don’t sacrifice depth for excitement.
This show really made me realize how much I dislike this format of extremely short series. 6 episodes was not enough to fully explore these characters and plot lines they introduced. The biggest benefit that shows have over movies is that you get the extra time, so why not use it. I really dislike the idea of a "6-hour movie." A 6 hour movie is a bad idea! The writers should be taking full advantages of the strengths of TV.
3:31 "Shortsighted, rushed and sloppily executed" These three words perfectly describes this whole show in a nutshell.
As much as I loved this show, I agree that the deleted scenes shouldn't have been deleted.
Hawkeye could've been so much better had they added Eleanor & Clint's flashback (w/ Fisk & his mom respectively) scenes. Both add much needed layers to these characters.
PS: Also very excited to see your series!
This was SUCH a good vid, and super interesting. I almost had the opposite experience haha. Hawkeye was my least anticipated last year, but I ended up liking it -- and came away pleasantly surprised. Was actually working on a script about all the stuff I loved.
...But then the deleted scenes cropped up and man, I lost all steam. The show could've been GREAT. So much backstory cut and wasted, and it made me like it *less* in hindsight. Some of the most baffling deletions I've ever seen, and you're spot on; it was all for hype.
Part of me wonders if the reasoning for delaying Kingpin was even worse. Did they want to time it with NWH for that one-two Charlie-Vincent punch? IIRC it was within days of each other, and I wouldn't put it past them to sacrifice Hawkeye's story for it.
(P.S. Speaking of hype: hell yeah for IRC!)
this really hit the nail on the head. I just recently binged Hawkeye knowing full well the Kingpin reveal and the deleted scenes fiasco (though not what was deleted.) When I finished the show I felt off but couldn't put it in words, now I can say I wasn't left with the usual Marvel feeling, the feeling Wandavision left me and to a lesser extent Falcon & Winter Soldier. Marvel does big superhero stuff but their best work is always the most character-focused and the final product of the Hawkeye show just, wasn't. It felt more like the Loki show, just hitting story beats for an eventual other story down the line, just moving characters into the places they need to be for the next project.
It should have been about Clint's time (5 YEARS), AS THE RONIN! Like bro it's the PERFECT setup for the introduction of Kingpin, the dark & gritty world he deals in, making it the perfect place for a character like the Ronin to be involved. I love the scene in Endgame where we see him taking down members of the yakuza. BUT ITS ONLY 2 MINUTES & 30 SECONDS! Let us see Clint struggle to cope, let us see him rage in the wake of massive loss. Then in season 2 (after Endgame) we introduce Kate Bishop & Yelena to drive the story from there. And use Clint's time as the Ronin to appeal to Yelena. Because just like her, he knows what it's like to be angry & seek revenge for those that were taken from him
Or a orgin story about his life before he joined Shield and the Avengers. Instead of Hawkeye and Kate Bishop show we got.
Hawkeye, is the first MCU entry in a long time that feels knees deep in studio interference. Because you watch these deleted scenes and then you watch the show we got, and they feel completely off tonally.
My speculation is that I think the studio wanted something a lot more light hearted and fun for the holiday season. While the crew was making something a little bit more serious like Falcon and Winter Soldier.
It would explain how we go from things like the deleted scene of Elanor and Fisk to the actual scene we got where he's surrounded by sparkly lights and a hiwian shirt. And from Hawkeyes backstory to somehow knowing more about Jack.
We’ve all seen movies/shows that suck and had bad ideas… but these make me even more upset because we don’t even have to imagine how these unused scenes and concepts would make the story 10x more interesting. Wasted potential is worse than no potential.
They should have kept those scenes. The small character moments were the best part of this series. Kate translating a phone conversation for a deaf Clint immediately comes to mind.
Sometimes I wonder if it was a good idea to put all the deleted scenes on Disney Plus for us to compare. I also noticed that most of them are pretty short. Since the episode runtimes in these shows varies anyway, I don't see how it would've harmed the episodes by adding them. Besides the "hype factor" you mentioned.
I think another problem with the Kingpin reveal is that it rides only on one aspect of what made Netflix Kingpin so great.
What made Kingpin so compelling in Daredevil was that he shared almost as much screentime as Matt did, and so we got to see his struggles and more of his character grow and develop alongside Matt’s. In Hawkeye Kingpin isn’t handled this way, and so he had to be *completely* carried by Vincent D'onofrio's performance. And sure, it’s great, but it’s not the sole reason Kingpin was so interesting and cool to watch in Daredevil.
Our chad saving our day! But yea, shows pretty medicore, im so tired of these mcu Disney+ shows just Being meh, Like im just tired of mcu becoming star Wars, too much Milki'n, they better not do this to my moon guy!
I'm tired of Disney choosing to put one movie straight to streaming then forcing people to wait 28+ weeks to get another movie on streaming. Not everyone can go out to the movie theater lol
@@moxiemaxie3543 yea, they feel Like theyre just made for the future movies to make Like 20% sense
if they had included all these deleted scenes it would have been the best D+ MCU show. Right now it just feels rushed and underdeveloped
I feel like every MCU movie/show right now is just a preview for the next thing.
But like, when is the next REAL thing? What is this all building to?
Widows are supposed to be brilliant, high level intellect people. Some random woman shows up and tells yelena barton killed his best friend and she just accepts it without question?? What!!!??? Why??? Coz cheap forced conflict and they need yelena - kate
Coming back here after the moon night finale and it feels like they've done it again. Hype built up all the way to a post-credit scene, resulting in a story that's wanting more.
Same I was looking forward to this one too since I’ve always been an advocate for the “Lamest” Avenger for a while but I came out of his show feeling half empty due to how much stuff they crammed into this six eps series. It’s even worse knowing how stylistic the Fraction and Aja run was and yet this show was shot and delivered just like most other MCU properties, it didn’t have much of a unique identity that would make it stand out amongst their vast library of content. If only they maintained the same style of the car chase as well as injecting the heart and humor found in Ep 3 throughout the rest of it, it would’ve been a much better show I feel and that’s why Ep 3 is my fave of the six
Great point. Those deleted scenes put the whole series in a new light - Maya, Kate and Clint all having a bad parent (or parental figure) who failed them highlights Clint's struggle to be home for Christmas and be there for his family, *breaking that cycle.* It has more depth than the simple "make it home for Christmas" story.
A big reason I dropped the MCU, maybe even the main reason, is because when you have the most profitable franchise of all time pumping out at least 8 projects a year now, they need to be more than good for them to feel like more than homework. None of the Disney+ shows were *bad*, they just…weren’t as good as they ought to be. Hawkeye was the first one I didn’t watch, and I don’t regret it.
Your right. When you’re forced to bring in new characters all the time and have a plot that sets up future movies I really think it limits creative freedom, resulting in ok content.
I know right, who the hell asked for an Echo show, or an Agatha House of Harkness, I don’t think most of these shows are gonna be good except for the guardians of the galaxy special and moon knight
I’m sure you’ll be missed
@@N3c777 the MCU has never been made of the greatest movies of all time, but when it was one or two films a year that didn’t matter because of the *experience* they offered. But with 8 or more MCU projects a year, that experience is diminished-so I wanted some really fantastic, interesting storytelling to justify the larger investment they were asking me for. The MCU is only experimental when compared to past MCU projects, when you compare it to the rest of the industry it’s just….disappointing.
@@animalkid4001 I mean if a great story is always worth telling, the problem is marvel studios has lost my faith that they’ll provide a great story. Instead, it feels like they’re taking fan dedication for granted.
Also, if they do make Season 2, a good villain idea would be Trickshot.
No hype, just story telling to the actual characters: Hawkeye and Barney (Maybe throw in a little Kate here and there too). The way the MCU treated Hawkeye is just... disappointing...
They treated him like Hank Pym.
*LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY.*
This series is The definition of "just okay" for me...so much wasted potential..and i still stand by the opinion that kate bishop's character wasn't needed..this series should've focused solely on clint..and if they ever make a s2 then you can focus on his successor
same
Even people who didn't like the show say Kate bishop was one of the best introductions and new characters of the show so you'd definitely be in the minority with that opinion.
@@iraford5788 i guess i am...she was just a pretty annoying character to me,the whole usual trope of "annoying energetic teenager sidekick"
@@jerichobrandon3571 well, you are not alone. I also found her annoying. i started warming up to her in last episode, but not enough to like her. the reason why I hate her even more is that I came fore jeremy's story. this show is called hawkeye and not kate "kate bishop with hawkeye".
@@jojosoni6355 exactly
This show was the last nail in the coffin for me for mcu TV shows, so much so that I don't watch moon knight, despite how good I hear it is. With how Hawkeye was written in the movies, I had so many high hopes for this show. We ended up with a Kate Bishop show and little to nothing about Clint which broke my heart.
I just realised how they could have made a hawkeye show in the tone of the netflix daredevil… facing off with kingpin’s intellect and bring hawkeye back to his senses. instead we got cheesy bad guys and a one note kingpin…
I loved Hawkeye in the movies especially in AOU and Civil War . His show was just underwhelming. I think not having his own antagonist hurt itb
Great review, a great show with a poor ending, but I want to add
I love Haile Steinfeld she is both beautiful and talented and charismatic. the Kate Bishop character works because it’s her, honestly had she be played by another actress, she would be less likeable.
Glad somebody else feels the same way about the show. The whole thing just felt like a mess of plotlines dedicated to setting up more shows and the one that felt the most neglected was Clint's.
Looking back on it now...I agree with you. Hawkeye is so painfully mid that it feels so sad. The writer's didn't know what they were doing, and the deleted scenes had way more to offer in the story than what we actually got...I'm disappointed with the writer's and team behind Hawkeye. *Hopefully* they can redeem themselves when Echo comes out, or make a second Hawkeye season (doubt it, but maybe it's worth a shot). I think Echo will take itself more seriously though, and have capable writer's. I think the DD writer's might write Echo. I hope Echo is just a cover-up to a semi Daredevil season 4. All I can say is... *do better* .
I totally agree about the issues with Fisk and building hype. On the other hand the emotional moments totally worked for me. Therefore it’s still my second fav D+ marvel show. Right after Moonknight. And the others aren’t even close.
Hawkeye could've been great, but the whole idea of having Kingpin be a last-ep reveal ruined alot of the story potential. The show could have focused on Clint's and Kate's origins while balancing how the Kingpin returns and how Echo is involved with that. Instead we never get told how Kingpin is back, he just is. The show could've built up from Daredevil, why do we need a Kingpin reveal? Everyone in New York would already know about his whole deal, and the show could play into that but instead made the most recognisable crime boss in the city a mysterious figure
They RUINED Kingpin. He was so much more intimidating and cunning in Daredevil. Now he’s been reduced to a dumb brute.
It would have worked if we got him sooner and he keeps sending out goons and finally gets directly involved in the finale.
I disagree.
'They RUINED Kingpin.' I agree! Kingpin was a great, great villain; Disney brings him back and of course, he's beaten by a little girl. 🤮
He had no posse in this show
Not sure if I’d say “ruined.” They just didn’t progress him beyond Daredevil or develop his character in the context of the show.
Y’know, what he said in the video.
I honestly think that the best thing about the show was the stuff with Yelena and Kate; they had some awesome chemistry and the banter between them was awesome, it makes me honestly want to see more of them interacting. It would've been awesome to see more Kingpin though, because he's awesome.
But that banter and chemistry goes nowhere… that’s the marvel formula… use quips and charisma to distract people from the HELLA MID story
@@jameshn7159 I mean, charisma kinda helps elevate not so great material.
@@jameshn7159 what about the guardians movies?
Only issue there is I don’t really understand Yelena. Her playful humorous personality doesn’t match up with what she’s been through and who she’s become. I feel like she should probably act more like Gamora.
@@N3c777 I personally like that, I've never wanted heroes to be super dark and woe is me, there's nothing wrong with wanting some personality beyond being serious and stoic.
What a great way to verbalize that uncomfortable feeling I had at the end of the series.
It sucks too because I really loved Jeremy Renner and Hailee Steinfeld's performances here. That scene where they were just talking in the apartment during Christmas are some of my favorite character moments in the MCU.
Thanks for sharing this. Didn’t realize there were these deleted scenes. I enjoyed the show, but man it would’ve so much better with these included.
Really glad you've made this video as it really bothered me that they cut all Clint's backstory. I had not considered it was all cut to feed the hype and pacing of these shows where they all need a big "reveal". I just can't see how revealing Fisk in a proper scene earlier to develop his relationship with Maya would have been any less "hype" than seeing him in thumbnail at the end of an episode. It really sucks that these shows need a big moment over satisfying character development
WandaVision really was a mistake. Not every Disney plus show needs a mystery. Who's behind what's going on at Westview? Is that really an Alternate Quicksilver? Who's the Powerbroker? Who's running the TVA? Who's Maya's boss? Who killed Armand? Too many mysteries. They just really declined in quality and TVA twist only worked cause they played it off properly.
The disney plus shows are following the JJ Abrams "mystery box" philosophy of storytelling. You would think that we had all learned that method of telling stories is a bad idea after "Rise of Skywalker" but apparently we are all still falling for it. No more disney plus shows for me. I'm tired of going "well...maybe the next one will be better."
I kinda feel like it fell on his face in half of episode 6.
Hawkeye episodes 1-3 r great.
4 and 5 r also pretty good but the issue becomes the deleted scenes making episode 6 way less satisfying.
The yelanna story arc works a lot better than the Kingpin and Echo story I’d say that doesn’t build as well.
They should do what Netflix did with Daredevil and hire writers who are actually fans of the source material.
Personally imo I think it’s the best out of the Disney+ shows. It was absolutely the most consistent and the Christmas vibe added a little more to it. Kate was a good new character, and I really liked Clint since they explored him and how Ronin affects him now. Obviously Fisk was wasted and the deleted scenes should’ve stayed in, but even his one conversation at the beginning of the finale I could tell that Vincent was still playing the same character. Also the closure of Nat for Clint and Yelena was fantastic. To each their own I guess tho
I agree.
Yep so do I
What do you mean by explore Clint? What more did we learn about Hawkeye other than that he regrets sacrificing black widow and becoming ronin, which we already knew. No more is learned other that he has bad hearing
Holy shit. I was already pissed at how much this show sucked, but knowing that they had the material to make it better and chose NOT to use it?? Truly maddening. I suspect to some extent the rigid 6 episode mandate led to some of those scenes being left out, which just makes me hate this stupid 6 episode cap they're putting on everything.
i didn't really enjoy this show
it was so forgettable
these scenes just go to show that disney values hype over substance.
it's not a bad show....
it's just dull
sorry if i offended anyone.
but it is what it is.
As others are saying, the fact that crucial parts of the titular character's backstory were cut in favor of giving more airtime to *new* characters in the titular character's own show... Beyond ridiculous, and shows where their priorities lie.
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Thanks so much!
After watching BW my expectation was really low for Hawkeye so it didn't disappoint me that much but back of my mind I always felt it was flat. Now I know why.
I’m tired of the MCU’s backbone being big reveals or teases for a future plot line. We need full shows. This isn’t great. Definitely some good stuff here, just hate that it doesn’t have much at stake.
I want to see FULL director's cut of Hawkeye series now as Jeremy Runner ACTUALLY told about that in his SNS post.
Exactly! This hype based mentality is ruining not only the MCU but also star wars now. To someone who hasn't seen Daredevil, the Kingpin reveal would mean nothing. They think they don't need to write anything to develop this character when the audience probably already saw Daredevil. Disney cares more about fan service nowadays than good storytelling.
The 6 episode mandates are killing these shows. Should be 8-10 eps
dropped Hawkeye 4 eps in, I feel like I should finish it but nothing I hear makes me want to continue
I dropped after ep 2 and binged after the finale was out. It's really nothing special
@@coritrottman9699 good to know I should waste my time on something else then
i have a belief that the Fraction/Aja Hawkeye run adapted into a show by the creative team of the Bill Hader show, Barry(HBO) is probably the best combination of materials that could ever happen, but sadly, nothing close to that ever will happen😔
its so weird how they cut it out. marvel made infinity war/endgame, which had 5hrs total and honestly feels like one movie, but will cut out character development, im assuming partially for run time, rather than just... making an episode a bit longer? also fisks reveal would have rec3ived so much hype no matter where in the series it was put. daredevil has a die-hard fanbase (as it should, i would say its thebest marvel series we've ever gotten, maybe even the best superhero series ever), and if fisk was in hawkeye more, i imagine a lot more people would be hooked on it (most people i know didnt bother watching it)
whoever made that call to delete all these scenes is just dumb af. probably wanted to keep it a 6 episodes instead of yknow… putting in effort.
So I watched the show for the first time and interspliced the deleted scenes where they would fit best and it made the show probably my second favorite MCU show behind Loki
This show needed 8 episodes, not 6
100% agreed. There was a lot of good, but they didn’t do Clint, his past or the fights justice tbh…
I was also the same as you where Hawkeye was my most anticipated among the other Marvel ones. I’m sad that they completely overshadowed Clint with Kate Bishop…
It’s a similar issue with the Eternals, all of deleted scenes added so much more depth to some of the characters.
We still don't know Clint's backstory. I feel cheated.
It felt like they rushed it and just threw in all these characters.
I love Hawkeye he's my fave Avenger.
We did not get much of him in the Marvel Movies.
It would have been nice if we had a lot more of him.
Agree about the hype problem and deleted scenes - however I still loved the show and some of the elements that it did get right from the fraction run. But I'm ultra disappointed that they stole the art without any permission or any payment or credit anything!
I really enjoyed this show, but it could have been so much more. I didn't watch the Daredevil show, so I only know Kingpin from the Spiderman 90s tv cartoon. I think introducing him earlier in the show would really make me more invested in his character. And the deleted scenes are amazing!
This show really demonstrated that six episodes is not enough, idk how they ruined an ending with the kingpin but they managed to.
WHAT. THE. HELL??? There was a scene with Clint's background growing up, with his mom, with perhaps a brief look at the circus where he honed his archery skills, and they CUT IT???? WHAT IN THE WORLD WERE THEY THINKING???
I really feel like the 6-episode format of these shows has the potential to REALLY hurt some of the ideas that these shows want to put forth.
This show is a PERFECT example of that.
Dear god, Spider-Man: Freshman Year and X-Men '97 better be thirteen episodes at least...
Freshman Year is the exception. It's an origin series. Hell, make it 4 episodes and have the runtime be 45 minutes each.
Dude, bad examples. Freshman Year and X-Men are cartoons, which means it’s likely that their episodes are gonna be a lot more. It’s why What If has more episodes compared to the live action ones.
Honestly, I loved the show. I felt it finally gave Clint more room to shine, and I loved Kate. However, I do see your point. Still love the show, but I agree with you. They should have kept those scenes. But another thing - I was actually surprised and excited about that Kingpin reveal (although it would have been just as cool in ep 2, and more surprising, as I was hoping that hand was his). Why? See, Spider-Man: No Way Home was delayed for over a month in Norway (they announced the delay the day before, can you believe it smh)! So, I had to stay of social media and the internet as much as I possibly could to avoid falling into the Spoiler-Verse. And I did it! I got to see NWH in theaters on Jan 22nd, not having anything spoiled. Impossible, but true. Meaning, I had no idea about the Matt Murdock cameo. So, after Hawkeye, I was like, "Hmm, I wonder where and when they'll use Cox's Daredevil. I doubt it's NWH, but it's got to be soon."
Another issue with this show in particular is the 'Black Widow' effect, AKA 'yet another mistreatment of this character's legacy'. This show came way too late and still forgot to give us backstory on the title character, so instead they just went 'oh screw this, let's just focus on the new kid since we're only going to work with them anyway'.
You know who else has suffered with this? Thor. His entire trilogy is like Marvel had no idea what to do with his character that they had to put another character on the spotlight to sell the movies. This is a decade old issue where, whenever Marvel has no idea what to do with the character because they're 'tOo bOrInG', they'll just push them aside and turn them into the background comic relief in their OWN story.
I'd say I'm glad they didn't do that to Black Panther, but, may Chadwick rest in peace, we don't have him anymore, so it really gives me the impression the next generation of the MCU is either going to be this Disney travesty or the lame excuse for characters like Eternals, which is sad because there's much more to these characters than the MCU gives them credit.
Hawkeye is mh favorite avenger (no really) and I was so hyped when this show was announced. In fact, this us the only Disney+ MCU show Ive watched. But I was si disatisfied with it because there were so many subplots in it for a 6 episode show that it was barely about Hawkeye anymore
And then I watch this and find out about the deleted scene of his childhood? That would have been some really good backstory to a character I've loved for years
I kinda feel like Marvel, when pressed to cut out scenes, opted to cut out Clint's because it was more important to build up Kate and Echo (who are nice and I also like) because they have higher potential to be part of future projects. This I feel especially about Echo because they were intending to debut a show about her without having prior build up or appearances in a show or movie before
Honestly this entire phase so far has felt like I'm just going through the motions and I'm only watching these things because it's the MCU. Quality has dropped off immensely.
Where can i watch the entite deleted scene of clints backstory? Cant find it on CZcams
I wonder, are you doing DC’s Peacemaker by any chance?
This was the final nail for me. It felt like what the MCU would be like if the CW produced it.