Surprise! The Sauer 100 Has A Secret
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- The Sauer 100 is finally in the studio and on the table. Along side the Sauer 100 is the Sauer 202 and the Rossler Titan 6. They all have their similarities and differences. The Sauer 202 and the Rossler Titan 6 each have features that make them unique, but the Sauer 100 gets the award for the most surprising feature that sent me scrambling to my tool box! I hope you learn something new as we explore these rifles together. If so, give me a "like" , subscribe, and join me on Patreon for more USOG videos and content. Thanks so much for being here and stay safe out there.
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Being an Aussie I just love the fact you feature so many bolt action and repeating firearms. You can feel a bit out of the loop on other channels that are all about auto's.
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There are a number of reasons to subscribe to this channel and that’s one of them lol
Thank you all ; Mark, Franz and Drew. Take care.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I'm mostly revel in your beautifully laundered and ironed dress shirts. But the guns are nice too.
@@FranzAntonMesmer The firearms equivalent of the car channels where guys buy $5000 late-model Ferraris.
Crocodile Dundee tried.No Ausie stood up with him.
If you’ve seen 1 AR15, you’ve seen them all. If you’ve seen one bolt action, you want them all.
Hi Ed! I like that. I say that about wine and cars. My wine collector friends don't agree with me - and my car collector friends say I need help haha. I guess it all depends on what one sees in things. Thanks for the note - I know what you mean.
I NEVER get tired of your wonderful, honest assessments and opinions. You are a true gift to us shooting sports loving folks all over the world!
Good on you!
I am truly humbled by your words Robert. Thank you so much. 🙏
I have he 100 in .223. It shoots amazingly well and feels like a much more expensive rifle. Thank you for your videos.
I am growing more fond of the idea that I like old rifles better, or at least made in a very traditional way!
An iPad may have the words; but is nothing at all like a book.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Very well said Mike!
I have most recently discovered your channel Sir. I appreciate that you approach your content with an eye toward information and without the usual, and unfortunate, self promotion. Well done I say! I have subscribed.
Thank you Mike.
I really truly enjoy your videos, thank you for your hard work.
I really enjoy the videos. I would just like to say I bought a Saur 100 Caratech in 308 as hunting rifle. They have an excellent reputation here in Australia. Funny thing happened to me the guy at the Gun shop suggested I get a Mauser M18 it came with a free Chain Saw. I also want to say as Aussie it’s great you cover bolt actions so thoroughly.🙂
Great review...refreshingly honest insightful perspective...thank you...keep up the banter...
All the actions on the Sauer rifles you showed reminds me of the SHR 970, which was made by Sig in the early 2000s
I see what you mean
I use 10-round mags from Lucky 13 in my Sauer 100.
Best rifle I've ever shot. It feels like it should cost twice as much!
Uncommonly high cycle speed, accuracy, and reload speed, with the highest capacity permitted in this country. It would be a great action shooting rifle, if we had action shooting in Australia.
Engineering adventures is a very polite way of saying a Rube Goldberg! Too funny!
Thanks Robert. I was surprised to find that post and system. : )
I bought a 100 in 6.5x55 Swede last summer, I love it.
Also, yes the Franchi Momentum rifles are excellent…I have an Elite in 350 Legend and it’s an absolute joy to shoot…what a trigger!
Very well done video sir! Always a treat to watch
Thanks Drew.
I have had a Sauer 100 XT in 9.3x62 for a few years. Purchased it because when you handle it, it shoulders magnificently. Mine needed to be serviced for weak primer strikes on Ppu and other cartridges, and since it was purchased to hunt bear, that wasn't a good trait. The higher end synthetic models have a rubber coating, which is amazing, but the price difference wasn't justifiable for me.
I do think the Mauser M18 is also a relative of this design.
Thank you Stephane! All the people I know who own the Sauer 100 have nothing but praise for the rifle. The Mauser 18 is a brother to the 100 - and I'm sure they are fine too - I just don't see many around yet. Thanks for the note!
Thank you that was a nice treat. cheers.
Thank you sooner54
It is my understanding that: the twin ejector arrangement is designed to provide reliable ejection of fired cases and unfired cartridges to the side, as opposed to upward ejection and or incomplete ejection that leaves the fired case or unfired cartridge in the breechbolt way. The closed breech-bolt face that accompanies plunger ejector systems will always collect brass shavings and other debris thus requiring a higher level of user maintenance than open breech face designs such as the Mauser 98, Winchester 73, 76, 86, 92, 94, 95, Marlin 94 and 336, etc. Self-loading and select-fire rifles with breech-bolts and their accompanying single plunger-ejector breech-bolt actions reciprocate rapidly enough to minimise such problems but will themselves require a higher level of maintenance than equivalent rifles with either a tipping breechblock or a roller-locking breechblock and a fixed ejector, provided of course that they all have either a solid action top or an FN FAL style sheet metal cover.
Excellent vid ,so much info 👍
Thank you Wayne!
Great video, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Thank you Paul
That must have been a surprise, the socket and all. The rest of the video was fantastic, thanks for the information.
Thank you Frank!
Great video. I’m now sold on this rifle. Thank you
Hi Tony - The Mauser 18 is a brother to the Sauer 100 - I hope to have an 18 soon. Stay healthy!
USOG thank you sir. I have been wanting a good German hunting rifle to hunt with. Stay healthy as well, sir. Keep the great videos coming.
Did you end up getting it?
I am honestly in shock. Sauer of all company's, would press fit the barrel.
Hi Sanch and Superdude70 - I bought a .243 barrel for my SSG69 - quite a long shank on the barrel with fine threading compared to a Mauser. Here is an article that references the threading www.thamesvalleyguns.co.uk/Steyr%20SSG69.pdf
Maybe there were some that were threaded and others that were not; or maybe mine was threaded after production. I had a used SSG69 barrel in .308 for a few years and then sold it to a fellow collector - it had the long shank and threading as well. I guess it doesn't really matter. Press fit is easier and just as accurate as a threaded barrel; so they do what is less expensive for the consumer. Unless someone wants to re-barrel the press fit rifles - no one even knows. Here is an article and schematic showing the press fit barrel : )nazarian.no/wep.asp?id=241&group_id=3&country_id=145&lang=0&p=2
Something going on here - there seem to be both threaded and un-threaded. Someone must know.
Sanch Arino Anshutz been doing it for years.
Informative and funny stuff here, Loved the maybe its the laser guided machines that cant use a slotted screwdriver and going to my collector car for a socket wrench and remembered I don't have a collector car. LOL :)
Great knowledge thanks
Thanks Dominic.
I really like the channel. I recently worked on a Sauer 100 in 7mm08. Stock needed replaced second to fall damage. Let’s just say I miss the recoil lug on receiver. Sauer would not sell independent aluminum inlet so I removed from original stock and inlet in net stock with epoxy. Specific torque spec for long “nut” and bolt into long “nut” for trigger guard group. In end I feel barrel needs fire lapped.
Nut 44 inch/lbs. screw 35 inch/lbs
I have entered the collector firearm world with a Marlin model 97.
It was made around 1912.
Before this rifle, I had no idea the fantastic quality of manufacture that these old firearms had.
That's a great rifle and a great start. Not many people are aware of the 97 - and they are very difficult to fine. Glad you're here.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns i actually don't know the exact year. Serial number records were not kept for them from 1906 to 1915. Even then, Marlin serial numbers weren't always sequential. It is between 1906 and 1915 so when asked I say 1912.
It shoots excellent groups. Octagonal 24" barrel, gorgeous blueing, some color case left, very little pitting. A beautiful Bicycle Rifle. Paid $2K. Fitted a 39A bolt and preserved the original so it can be shot without damaging the original bolt.
The rifles I’ve seen that are friction fit, by heating and/or pressing, have barrels machined to allow the bolts to lock to them directly. You won’t find this bolt to barrel mating system in rifles that thread the barrel into the receiver.
Thanky duggydo - the locking into the barrel system seems to be both popular and excellent.
Good point. I forgot to add that in my comment.
I like these. A friend went shopping for a new .223 just the other day and it was between the Sauer 100 Atacama and the Tikka Veil Wideland. In the end he preferred the lighter weight of the Tikka with the fluted barrel. And he has several other T3's and two T1X's.
Thanks for writing. Can't go wrong with the Tikka.
Thank you for all your vids taking firearms apart, if you want to change stocks, bed actions, put new barrels on... a traditional recoil lug and a screw in barrel is a must especially in barrel burner calibers......like your xbolt vid too 👍
Thank you FarmerDave!
Since I Am New To Your Channel; I Thought I Would Bring Up The Fact That In The 70's I Worked For William Ruger And By That I Mean Wherever Mr. Ruger Went I Went. He Was Easily The Most Insanely Brilliant Man I Have Ever Known And Because Of Your Obvious Love Of ALL Firearms And Not Mainly Because Of Their Monetary Value; I'm Sure You Would Have Got A Kick Out Of Meeting Him. I Am Hoping Before I Leave This Earth; That I Meet Someone Who New Mr. Ruger As Well As I Did.
I have found that people tend to not use the appropriate slotted screwdriver when it comes to slotted screws, and that often results in screws being damaged. In my experience screws that either require an allen wrench or a torx bit tend to do better as they usually force a person to use the appropriately sized tool. With that being said the best way to not damage a screw is to avoid having to remove it.
The thing that I notice more is if the slotted screws have been timed/clocked. This is something that isn't common to see on guns today, and is one of those small details I really enjoy seeing. For myself I make sure the screws on my 1911 grips are clocked at the angle of the grip, and it really does elevate an already beautiful firearm to another level.
Anyhow, thank you for sharing your thoughts on such interesting firearms.
Wise words. I liked timed screws as well and slotted screws need the right screwdriver. I think we're still capable of using a screwdriver : )
Please explain, ‘timed’ screws.
Yes I believe a firearms owner who can’t work a screwdriver, might have other more pressing issues.
That being said.
Which type screw head works better with a torque wrench?
Thanks
Everything I’ve read about the Sauer 100 states that the barrel is threaded into the receiver. I can’t confirm that, as I’ve never removed the barrel from mine, but multiple sources seem to indicate that is how it is made.
I work on a lot of my guns on my reloading bench, which I keep sockets, wrenches, and many different screwdrivers in just for it. I think the thought process behind the socket head screws is there is more surface area and less of a chance of it rounding out. Also I don’t get the idea of the slim ejection port, maybe people like it cause it’s slicker, but I prefer the access of a more open ejection port. As always thank you for another good video
Good points - I forgot to make note of the ejection port. I'll take a Mauser or similar.
My response isn’t in regard to the Sauer, as I don’t know why they designed the ejection port the way they did…but I did read recently about one of the newer Savage 110 models, part of their backcountry xtreme series, the Timberline. It said that they reduced the size of the ejection port to stiffen the action for better accuracy. Maybe there’s a similar principle at play here?
Being heavily involved in the automotive and heavy truck world, down in the Detroit area. I greatly prefer torx or hex screws. They can handle more torque, and are less likely to get deformed.
I was frustrated when I needed to go find my torx set, when I had to just swap out air filters on my benz. That being said, I still do prefer them. We've even spec'ed our gps trackers with the "tamper resistant" torx.
Thanks SRT - I'm sure you're right - and the industry as well - which is why they all use those torx or allen keys etc... If one goes with efficiency and mechanical advantage I'm sure even those will fall to newer and better fasteners. As for me, I still carry water in a bucket when I can. Pumps are better of course but that doesn't tell the whole story. Thank you and stay well.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns hahaha That analogy is great! For me, I guess it is more of a classic vs modern. I wouldn't want fancy paddle shifters on a classic muscle car. Just the same, I wouldn't want a stick shift in a modern lambo. Just like everything, fasteners and hardware will keep on evolving.
I know this is way off topic, but I actually like the Robertson square screws. We don't see them much in the states.
Why do I need to be tracked?
Those screws are just easier for robots. Plain and simple reason.
The Sauer 101 barrel is press fit, the Sauer 100 and Mauser M18 are not. To be more precise, they call it "heat lock". The reciever is heated up and then the cold barrel is then moved in.
While cooling down, the receiver shrinks and holds the barrel. As the lugs interface directly with the barrel, there is no concern about that.
It is the same for following rifles:
Sauer 101
Mauser M12
They are all manufactured in the same shop like Sauer 100 and Mauser M18.
The heat lock is not necessarily a bad thing, no. It works well.
In their own manufacturing shop, they are able to take it apart again, but that's not possible for a normal gunsmith.
By the way, CNC machining tools are widely being clamped into their tool holder the same way today.
I guess that they took this idea from there...
Regards from Germany
(I have updated this text because originally I thought, the Mauser M18 and Sauer 100 were press fit as well, but that was wrong).
Threaded
Sauer 100 and Mauser m18 don’t have heat pressed barrels. They have traditional threaded in barrels.
Sauer 101 and Mauser m12 do have heat pressed barrels.
@@petrisandberg3887 Now I know better, I have updated the text, thanks.
@@stevehanson9862 Now I know better, I have updated the text, thanks.
I have both the 101 and 100. The 101 is heat fitted and the the 100 threaded.
Hello Sir!
During a visit in my local gun shop (in Germany), I found out, that the Sauer and Mauser brands belong now to the same bigger company.
Hence the Sauer 100 and the Mauser 18 have many features in common:
3 lug bold head, 2 plunger ejectors and a press fitted barrel instead of screwed-in - just to mention a few.
These rifles are clearly designed for the US market and are priced around the half price in the US compared to Germany (ca. 1100 Euro here).
While American-made guns double the MRSP here... Speake of being "screwed" as an European customer!
Thank you very much for your excellent contents and please keep running your channel!
Best regards!
Thank you Kamil - I think you're right about the Sauer and Mauser similarities. I like the 202 a lot. You're right about prices - how wildly they vary depending on market. All the best to you.
Sauer 100 and Mauser m18 do have screwed-in barrels. As they are designed to US markets where the possibility to re-barrel rifle is a must.
I asked this thing from the factory from Regional sales manager Carina Mayer and they confirmed me that they both have threaded in barrels. You can actually see the threads from the scope mount screw holes. They are practically the same rifle from the same production line. I have the Mauser version myself
100 is threaded 101 and 202 are pressed. That's the word from the manufacturer not keyboard warriors.
Sweet gun collection in the background!
Thanks Dave!
I like the aluminium bedding. It's an upgrade on the (equivalent) Mauser M18 - which are done under the same "roof" so to speak. I'm looking for a modern 8x57IS rifle and this looks nice. Thanks.
The quality of the Saeur has won me over compared to the m18. And the m18 trigger is polymer and trigger guard is part of the stock. I’ll get over the socket wrench.
Really got my curiosity going with that Franchi 🤔
Looking forward to your review on that 👍
Hi Scott - I'll make a video.
USOG nice one, thanks for that. I’m new to shooting, waiting for my licence to come through. Your reviews are brilliant for me as I research what guns I’ll be going for when it comes through. Great work 🍻
The barrel is a press fit. I have had my Sauer 100 for almost 2 years now in 30-06 and it is a great gun. Shoots .75 moa 5 shot groups with Hornady ELDx and Federal Fusions. The barrel is excellent. I can put 10 rounds down range and it's still not hot or throwing shots. Nothing bad I can say about this gun. Trigger breaks like glass. Only smoother bolt I have tried is a Tikka or Sako. Good gun for the money.
The 100 model is threaded
The long allen wrench which should be included with any new 202 is indeed quite long, but the true takedown 202 rifles are priced on an entirely different scale, starting at $5,500.00 including tax and other handling fees. I recall 'Hatari' series // that would be the Safari grade rifle in large chamberings (i.e. 458 LOTT) was significantly higher in cost.
Hi Russell - Aren't they fantastic - I had a couple of those true takedown's - foolishly sold them both. On mine I had to use the bolt to sort of bump the action to get the barrel to come free. I should look for another - mine was in 30-06 and 9.3 x 62 - great combination. Thanks for reminding me. Take care.
I have inherited a Sauer 200. Acquired by my friend back in the 60's by selling magazine subscriptions......amazing for such a quality firearm. It has a unique (to me) in-the-trigger-guard safety and is a "switch-barrel" rifle. All steel with walnut stock. It was originally in a green color which made me think it was birch, but evidently not. If you have any information on these rifles being acquired by selling magazine subscriptions, please let me know.
Hi John - Please send a pic to usogbyemail@gmail.com
These are high quality rifles and I've owned a few - but none with a greenish stock. The safety worked the way you describe which is unique as you wrote. Very fine rifle to have - but you know that. Cheers
Hello sir I am new to gunsmithing and curious what the stack of washers is for on the Sauer 100?
I truly enjoy learning from you, How long have you been in the design side of gun manufacturing?
I must say I love your work! I’m looking at my first hunting rifle and am hung up between a bergara wilderness ridge and a sauer 100 classic… the bergara being a ameliorated rem.700 footprint/copy. Both rifles have screwed in barrels, checked with Sauer… do you have any opinion on the ruggedness by any chance? Both are the same price here, both should be great sub moa rifles, but as you had models of both apart and are far more knowledgable, I’d love to hear your opinion… kind regards, A.
Nine months it says.
I would love to hear your feedback on which rifle you purchased and why.. how pleased you are with your choice.
Thank you!
Thank you. I'm amused at your reference to cost saving measures; screw driver, Allen head, sockets. Maybe manufacturers are trying to drive you to purchase Wheeler gunsmithing driver sets.
Hahaha : ) ya, maybe Rich.
You will find that many so called special screws are nothing of the sort. It might take you a little time to identify the right bit but once you do, you can usually source it via the internet fairly quickly.
Timely video as I was at my dealer comparing a new S100 FieldShoot (the Varmint/Target version) against a used Sako A7 roughtech range the other day. The S100 impressed me in so many areas. The action was smooth, the trigger was exceptional. I liked the double stack magazine and the stock was very comfortable. I would have preferred a 26" barrel like the Sako had but i could live with the 24".
The one drawback i have with it is that the barrels are a shrink fit into the receiver and non-replaceable. On a hunting rifle i would not care as it's unlikely you''ll ever wear out a barrel, but this was for target use in 6.5 Creedmoor and i hope to shoot 1000's of rounds over the ensuing years.
the 101 is shrink fit, the 100 is screw-fit... dont confuse them both. Also, im not sure that the heat shrinking is such a big deal, all you really need is to warm the reciver up and it comes loose - there is no magic happening and heat shrinking barrels is more and more common.
Sauer rifles came with 10 years barrel replacement
Hi Michael - I stay away from those pressure fit barrels. A barrel ought to be threaded in. I do replace barrels and although not inexpensive it is still worthwhile. IMHO
Hi Henrik - Good comment. Over here we like to re barrel our rifles - and the shrink or pressure fit models make things tricky. Fortunately, there are so many other rifles that have threaded barrels. All the best.
Hi Jimmy - I guess that is in case something gets worn out or goes wrong. We just like switching barrels for caliber and dimension and profile - but there are other rifles to buy.
Take a look at the Mauser M18 and underneath the cosmetic differences with the Sauer you basically have the same rifle. Same bolt apart from the shroud, same magazine and release, same trigger, same safety, same barrel, etc. and all at a lower price.
I did and you're right. : ) Maybe they can offer different rifles soon.
GOOD HEAVENS! I'm looking at buying the Sauer in 9.3x62 but am concerned about the "press in" barrel issue. You folks are NO HELP! Lol! One half of the comments says press fit, the other half says screwed in. Therefore, half the people in the comments section don't know what they are talking about.
IMHO - Press fit barrels are another "design to cost" sin in the firearms industry. The Rossler is an excellent rifle. Thank you for sharing the Sauer 100, interesting design to be kind. Likely a very capable rifle, however given the rather odd recoil lug assembly and the possibly press fit barrel I would have to pass.
Another very entertaining and informative presentation sir, many thanks.
I'm the same as you. So many better and better made rifles out there. I'll take a used Ruger 77 over most or all of the budget rifles. At least I have a decent rifle that way.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns FYI the Sauer 100 is threaded, thec101 and 202 are pressed.
Not related to the saur but I was wondering if you have done a review of the browning mara?
Hi Michael - I couldn't find one yet - but I did look at the Acera - which I still have. The Maral simply retains the return spring which is from the parent rifle - the sporting Browning Safari etc...semi-auto. The Browning Acera is a straight pull with the same action as the semi - but no gas system and no springs; the bolt handle is larger and bent somewhat so the shooter doesn't have to reach as far forward. The Maral is a straight pull with a longer bolt handle which takes the gripping part of the bolt back and close to the trigger - like a regular bolt. Anyway, I'll find one and make a video. Thanks for the suggestion.
Much happier with allen screws than slotted screws. My savage Axis II has allen screws and I was happy about it.
They're very practical for sure.
I only wish to own threaded into the receiver barrels. Good advice.
Hi Jeffrey - I'm the same way - it is nice to think a barrel will last forever - but they don't and then a threaded in barrel is a fairly easy renewal of a fine rifle. I like that.
As usual - highly valuable content. Thank you.
Would love to hear your thoughts about Mauser M18. Is it really the same rifle as Sauer 100?
Hi Ronald - I went to pick mine up but the store was packed with people buying ammo. I think they may close except for online sales. As soon as I can get it - I'm so eager to review.
USOG I saw the M18 and 100 side by side. Same action, barrel and magazine. But the Sauer seemed to be a bit better quality. I believe the “bottom metal” on Mauser was plastic, on stock on Sauer was more ridged..
+1. I have an M18 and compared the actions vs what you showed in this video. They are very similar but not identical. e.g. the M18 has 2 studs on the action. The bolts may be identical. Looking forward to your review! and comparison to the Sauer if possible :D
I am no fan of cost reduction by the makers while still charging an arm and a leg for their rifles. .I'll take controlled feed and a big honking extractor every time.
If those rifles didn't have prestige Germanic names on them they would be less "impressive".
Doby Pilgrim you got that right
I own a sauer 100 in 9.3x62 and it is a fine rifle and shoots very very well
Leaving aside the advantages to the manufacturer, hex headed screws have the advantage of a much greater surface area compared to a slotted screw, Philips head or any of the various PZ heads. 99/100 people don't have the knowledge or experience to appreciate just how many different iterations of screw heads there are out there.
Which is predominantly an issue or education
Hello Mike. I read somewhere that the 100 is press fit barrel. Something I've been reading is that the bolt locks into the barrel " breech ring" is what they called it. They advertise this improves accuracy and strength? What is your opinion on this? Also I prefer wood and was looking at the classic with beech wood . What is your opinion on beech wood? Seems like a great rifle for the money how do you think it compares to New model 70? Thanks Mike hope you are healthy and well
There are more rifles I have never worked on than ones I have. The Sauer 100 happens to be one that I know nothing about. I asked other people and the cosensus was they are pressed fitted. Nice video!
Hi Matt- thanks for confirming. I'm not so keen on press fit barrels but they work well.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I was just passing on the opinions of other people. I have never held a 100 Sauer . I can't say for a fact how the barrels are mounted?
@@mattedwards4533Sauer 100 barrels are threaded. The 101 and 202 are pressed.
@UnitedStatesOfGuns there's no general consensus, the 100 is threaded, the 101 and 202 were pressed.
Thx for a great video. What's the barrel lifetime (number of shots before replacement) for different popular calibres like .308, 30.06, 6,5 CM etc? Not unimportant if switching barrels is an issue (costly). [EDIT] I just found a review which says the 100 is not press-fitted. Google' "The Sauer 100 steps away from the traditional European model in favor of the American method. Its barrel is screwed and torqued into the receiver just like we prefer" and you'll find it.
The 100 is a press fit, not threaded. This was an issue on mine when I tried to have the muzzle threaded for a brake - my gunsmith couldn't get the barrel out because he didn't have a Sauer proprietary tool. I should have had the threading done when I ordered it - my bad.
Thank you - very interesting about the brake
love the channel
Thank you Rich. I am humbled.
The sauer 100 is very similar to the Mauser M12. I have one in 300 win mag and been thinking that “recoil lug” is a bit weak. If not weak then at least not sturdy enough for good accuracy. They share a lot of parts, at least the bolts and the magazines look exactly the same. Same company, so it makes sense, but something sad about it too. It’s like buying groceries, it looks like you have hundreds of choices but once you scratch the surface they’re all from the same company.
Hahaha - I like your last statement. I like the looks of them and the names : Sauer and Mauser carry a lot of weight. I wonder if they are really the best they could be.
Dear usog, Hello. Please post more content. Anything. It is very needed and appreciated. I find your videos informative, amusing, and strangely reassuring. Especially at this time of uncertainty, it is refreshing when a fellow enthusiast shares their passion. Thank you in advance, your truly desperate fan...
Hello Maxim - your kind and supportive words are so meaningful - thank you so much. I'll be in the studio today; and I look forward to making many more videos. I'm thinking of you and all people. Everything will work out. The very best to you.
The Souer 100 uses a common manufacturing process to heat the receiver and press-fit the barrel in place according to google..!
The U.S. Sauer and m18 mauser are a threaded barrel.
Hi Troy - thanks for making the distinction - I had no idea.
@@troyfairweather8553 Correct
Good reviews. More detail of the extractor would make your reviews excellent.
Good point. I'll do that : )
Just bought one for 400 bucks new with a wood stock in 6.5 Creedmoor.
On both 100 and 101 models the barrel is press-fit into the heated receiver.
Interesting!
The Sauer is in effect pillar bedded where the stock will always return to the same position relative to the action by virtue of the incompressible tube/pillar which will hold the two parts the same distance apart regardless of torque applied to the fastener (within reason). Many benchrest and precision rifles are built to this principle but with the pillar secured within the stock ensuring the action and stock will always be the predetermined distance apart as no compression or bending of synthetic or wood can occur that may create differences in 'whole of rifle harmonics' that may affect accuracy. This may be of little consequence to a hunting rifle used at short range but can be disastrous in rifles where groups are measured in thousandths of an an inch and a 5 shot group may well measure less than one tenth of an inch over calibre diameter at 100 yards. This is simply Sauer going the extra mile to increase repeatable accuracy.
So informative! Thanks for the note. I remember attending a match where everyone was shooting what looked like rail rifles - I'm probably using the wrong terminology. Anyway your point is well made - all the fellows explained how harmonics and reducing variables to as near zero as possible was the trick to pure accuracy. Very interesting match and for sure the Sauer has a fine bedding system. All the best.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns , your terminology is quite correct sir. I am for my sins an accuracy nut, cancer has regrettably reduced my abilities to hunt in the field and benchrest shooting both at 100 yards and 1,000 yards provides an opportunity to remain involved with firearms sports whilst not expending a lot of physical energy. Benchrest suits those of advancing age or those cursed by illness. It also allows the 'tackle tart' in us to run wild. It is by no means a cheap hobby but it is satisfying in its own unique way. Your videos demonstrate great depths of knowledge, it is a pleasure to be able to add a mite more to your considerable well of information. Regards from Angus in Scotland.
Now when you probably are or will be quarantined, you have all the time in the world to clean ALL of your guns ;) I'm naturally doing it too but i'm not a gun collector...
hahahaha Tapani - yes indeed - you're a good man to find me upside in illness. What do I need to get better : cleaning patches and solvent : ) : ) hahahaha
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns You forgot to mention whiskey! Stay safe and keep educating us :)
Great review., keep them coming!
I just happen to be considering the purchase of a Model 101 Classic .243 in walnut right at this moment. It is a new retail display model that has a few small marks on the stock being sold on-line so I am relying on pics.. I'm looking for a keeper to shoot and enjoy , not to flip for profit. It is priced at $300 off retail which is ok but the stock is a very light walnut that looks more like birch or beech to my eye. Are these worth the $1400 asking price and do you think I'll be sufficiently impressed with the quality to look past the color of the stock? They really do seem like fine rifles with interesting features and heritage.
Speaking of coincidences, I m also considering a Franchi Momentum/Burris 3-9 Scope combo in .243 also. Same seller new display model.. As far as plastic stocked rifles, my son likes them and that seems like a really well-made MOA rifle/scope combo that I can pickup for under $600. Would you proceed with all due haste at that price? Looking forward to your review of the Franchi also.
Hi and thank you! I would buy the Franchi in a heartbeat - such fine rifles. The 101 Classic is okay - I see these in as new used condition for lower prices; I'd buy one of those. People told me the barrels are press fit; others wrote that the barrels are threaded - I'm still not sure which is correct - or whether it matters if one is not planning on re-barreling. Thanks for writing!
I have 2 Sauer 200's 308 and 30-06 Purchased in 1986 best Rifles I own. Still as accurate now as they were then and super reliable. Beautiful Guns. Would you happen to know where I can locate spate Magazines?
Hi Joseph - Excellent rifles - try here for mags : riflemags.co.uk/sauer-200-magazines/
I promised myself not to post negative comments anymore, so I wont.
It seems a good rifle.
Thanks.
Me to i like MIKE so i dont say bad things about the BIC TROW AWAY rifles ANY MORE. I try not to praise the model 99 savage and pre 64 model 70 so much but its hard sometimes.I really dont like pressed any thing or plastic stocks and polymer clips and other parts.But MIKE works hard to give us reviews so i like and watch out of respect for his knowledge.
@@martinwatters2729 It seems we like and dislike the same stuff, i especially like steel and wood, although other materials do have their advantages.
Mike does seem like a nice guy, who tries hard not to offend anyone, which I think we all should aspire to, per my comment.
I think we need more people like the two of you.
On your Titan 6 that won't take down anymore, the front scope base most likely has a screw to long, acting as an unintentional set screw, preventing the barrel separation from the action...most likely one of those pesky Allen or Torx heads you mentioned. :)
Thanks Mar - I didn't think of that.
The Titan 6 take-down/barrel swap system/ is very much like my Schultz and Larsen M97 Classic. The barrel swap can be done in under 2 minutes with a little drill practice.
This may very well be my favorite rifle...well one of my favorites. :) Cheers!
Interesting that the Sauer 101 is no longer listed on the Sauer USA website? Is it discontinued?
They are still manufactured but not for the US market anymore. Just picked up a new one a week ago. Can’t find them anymore.
I dont know this for certain but it seems to me there are potentially two very obvious answers to the confusion around the barrel being press fit or not. 1, a change in manufacturing technique ( even over the so far limited time span of production ) or 2, rifles for the american market are tailored to that market ie threaded.
Given that i have seen videos and read commentary clearly identifying both press fit and threaded rifles, one of these two scenarios must be correct.
I intended to purchase a XT 100 in 6.5 x 55 to do some modern load development ie higher pressures and velocities than my old sporterised military Husqvarna will allow. Why not 6.5 CM, because i already have loading dies and plenty of brass in 6.5 x 55 ( and a certain degree of budgetary constraint ). A press fit barrel into which the bolt locks is no issue, i will never put enough rounds through it to be a problem and i end up questioning how many people are really in any danger of doing so? Surely if there is reasonable expectation of that kind of round count this is not the type of rifle you would be purchasing anyway.
Will the Sauer 100 stock fit a Mauser m18? I know it will need a trigger guard as the Mauser is built in.
Not many people have good quality screw drivers. Not many older rifles I personally have seen don't have slogged out screws. So yay for the hex and torque screws.
I have a close relative that has non-essential tremors in his hands and is legally blind with out his glasses. He is a very very good shot! In fact better than most.
Thank you! I try - but sometimes the tremor takes over. No worries. I am the way I am. All the best to you. : )
Tell him to order Allithiamine, B1 and take it with a B complex......and watch the tremor go away!
Good video about the Sauer 100 .. out of the Tikka t3x and the Sauer 100 witch one would you go for?
Hi Eric - the Tikka.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns that's interesting too know 👍
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns i think the Tikka Is becoming the AR 15 of the bolt rifle world
@@Heinrichstiti270 I bought a T3x lite on line, brand new for $599. I thought it was a no brainer until I pulled it out of the box, installed the bolt and brought it up to my shoulder. It was like holding a kid's squirt gun. I couldn't get past the toy feel it had thought it was a very smooth action. I didn't even shoot it and just sold it for what I paid.
@@neighborscomplaint6859 same lol
I have a question sir. I’m stuck between the Ruger 77 Hawkeye and the Sauer 100 Classic XT, both in .308. Do you believe sir that the Sauer 100 is a good rifle that will last as a long term use rifle, or would you recommend the Ruger 77 Hawkeye? I’m torn between both. Any input would be appreciated.
Hi Tony - Easy answer. The Ruger 77 is the better rifle. Sauer has a nice name though. The Ruger has a threaded in barrel, a recoil lug, a bolt that amounts to something, a decent trigger etc... Hope this helps.
USOG it helps very much. Thank you sir.
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Good idea Randy
The 100 (the newest one) is definitely press fit. They call it "heat lock technology" or something fancy, which probably means they used thermal expansion to open up the receiver diameter, while shrinking the OD of the barrel with cooling, then mating the two together. When the receiver shrinks and the barrel expands, they lock together permanently as it would be impossible now to get one or the other a different temperature again to release the lock. Its clever, incredibly strong, but also cheap.
That's the one thing that turned me away from their new rifle, especially in hotter calibers like 6.5CM. Maybe a gunsmith could lop a burnt out barrel off and machine the inside of the receiver to have threads, but I don't know how possible that would be.
My Sauer 100 XT is press fit for sure. You can even see an alignment lug just above the feed ramp inside the barrel. That lug leaves no question it is press fit since the barrel cannot thread on with it in place.
@Hilts I literally watched the sales rep say they are press fit barrels on the new ones. How old is yours?
@@bsellers711 Sauer's receiver doesn't have the lug abutments (what the bolt lugs seat against) cut into the receiver like almost every American action. Sauer cuts a recess in the receiver and then puts a breech ring in place. The bolt lugs sit against this breech ring when the action is closed and the front of the breech ring acts as an index point for the barrel.
@@GenScinmore Sauer's receiver doesn't have the lug abutments (what the bolt lugs seat against) cut into the receiver like almost every American action. Sauer cuts a recess in the receiver and then puts a breech ring in place. The bolt lugs sit against this breech ring when the action is closed and the front of the breech ring acts as an index point for the barrel.
Ergo you can rebarrel it is not press fit
I think both Sauer 101 and 100 are press fit, mauser M12 is press fit too, same as M18
Thanks Jamie!
Ever Done a review of the Swedish Carl Gustaf 4000?
Not yet! Thank you!
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Sir! Tell me please how to disassemble the Sauer 100 bolt for cleaning!
Hi Gregory, Several Sauer 100 owners wrote me that the bolt is not meant to be disassembled by owners. I find this hard to believe but it could be true. I contacted Sauer and have no response from them. Sorry I don't know more.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns thank you! I figured out that the task is absolutely easy to perform: I removed the bolt, uncocked it and removed the small pin on the side of the bolt! A piece a cake! 🎶
S100 has press fitted barrel, and I believe it's the same with the S101.
Thank you Ivan!
101 has press fitted barrel 100 is threated as it is made for American market where press fit does not have a chance.
seems you may need a torque wrench to put it back together to the correct specifications.
Could be Red - I'm not sure. I'll see what happens hand tight.
That's a good point. With the plastic stocks, I think accurate torque of the action screws is more critical to accuracy than with wood stocks. You get common hardware either way, plastic stock or wood.
If the barrel is pressed into the receiver wouldn't it require a pin to lock it to the receiver? As duggydo and Robert Underdunk Terwilliger alluded to, the only way it could be an interference fit (heated/pressed) would be if the bolt lugs locked into the barrel or a barrel extension a la the AR-15, but it seems to me there would still be required a pin or bolt to maintain the clocking (or timing) of the barrel. Do you see any sort of way they've locked the barrels and receivers together? If not I'd say it has to be a threaded barrel. Now I'm no gunsmith but this is the way I've understood these systems to work, but most of my experience comes from studying military weapons so I may be off base. Any riflesmiths please jump in. Thanks USOG ! Just subscribed after watching and learning so much in the last couple of weeks since I discovered your channel !
Hi Roy, The pressure fit barrels stay put. The pressures are enormous - it is about the same as a weld. The H&K 770 family used pressure fit barrels as well and they are semi-autos - as you know - and violent in their operation; nothing ever moves with the 770. Pressure fitting is mechanically sound. And I guess most people don't re-barrel their rifles. Thanks for the note and I'm sure I'm missing details. I'll look for a pin anyway. All the best and thanks for joining!
Though I own a fair number of modern firearms, as long as there are firearms available that were made between the latter half of the 1800's and 1960, I will always shop there first. The historical firearms tend to be works of mechanical art and pure human skill.
Marc West right on. It may take awhile to find what you want but its worth it
@@u.p.woodtick3296 Thank you, sir... I simply love the history found in firearms produced during that span. My granddaughter and I were talking about firearms this past weekend and I asked her to name something produced today that will function perfectly as intended 100 years in the future. Not an easy question to answer...
If you haven't you may want to check out Shiloh Sharps as they make firearms that are "works of mechanical art and pure human skill."
@@trapdoorspringfieldmodel1888 I like how you think. Newer, but in the original config.
100% ; rifles and shotguns used to be something designed and made with care and I would have to say, a form of respect - that these instruments are not spoons or hammers. In many ways, now they are made as if they are.
I have a Sauer S100 Pantera, the barrel is not threaded in, my gunsmith confirmed this and same for the 101.
Thanks ZH - I hear so many different opinions. I believe not threaded.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Opinions are like navels, everyone has one and they are of no use;)
Threading the barrel would be pointless, since they have aluminum actions, bolt locks in the barrel. The lugs are cold hammer forged most likely.
Hi Robert - I have a hunch pressure fit is steel to steel - aluminum can't hold - I checked with a magnet - the 100 is steel and the Mauser 18 as well. They do lock into the barrel - as you wrote.
Wrong, actions are steel!
I like the old jp saur and sohn
Does Savage make a Axis in 22-250?
More wood less aluminum ,one tool disassembly. Saving money is not for rifles !
You could put that on a billboard Dan. : )
i love franchi . best regards
Superb guns - apparently some stunning new models on the way
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I know this because I am the happy owner of one of them :)
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Your guide wasn't harsh, he was German. My cousin is married to one and she now lives in Munich. She reports that they are a brusk people.
Ahh - that's what it is. I may be an idealist but prefer a softer, gentler, way - I'm sure there are those as well : )
Doesn't the Sauer 100 use a breech ring? between the threaded barrel. Pretty sure you can thread the barrel in and the breech ring sets headspace.
I had no idea - thx