CHEAP GUNS Worth Owning: Ruger American and Other Budget Rifles
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- Have you ever wondered how some of the modern budget rifles compare? The Mossberg Patriot, Ruger American, Remington 783, Savage Axis,and the Weatherby Vanguard to name a few. I have taken apart the more popular models so we can have a detailed look and learn about their similarities and differences. You won't want to miss this gun autopsy! Give me a like, subscribe, and join me on Patreon for more USOG content. Thanks for your support!
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The more I see of the new guns the more I appreciate the old ones. Thanks again.
yup, I have a Tikka t3 lite in 308 synthetic that is a tack driver! and which rifles do I gravitate to when hunting, wood and metal , mauser style actions, love feeling the 'density' of the action when working the bolt.
Yup, scan the shops for those old school rifle trade ins.
I agree My Friend.
@@Hill_Billy_Without_A_Hill Your right, often times You can find a really good used rifle for the same price.
A basic old Savage 110, or Remington 700 ADL, or post 64 Winchester would be a much better buy.
@@RickNethery I agree with your statement many of these can be had for $500 or less
I'm one of those very loyal Savage fans, which is reinforced by the fact they are very inclusive of making a pretty high percentage of their models available in Left Hand. I own many nice walnut stocked Savages (110CL, 111GL and 14 American Classic) in left hand but had not owned an Axis before earlier this year. I didn't care for the stocks either so put the barreled action into a Boyd's stock, which improved my satisfaction. I'm just now selling that Axis and chalking it up to an interesting experiment. In SHORT, I have to agree with your verdict on the Axis. I would advise Savage buyers to spend a 200-300 dollars to get into a Savage 11/111 or one of the 110s. Unless you really can't afford it you'll be a lot happier with the quality. If the Axis is all you can afford at least there are TONS of after market parts you can use to upgrade your Axis over time if you choose. Finally, if you ever have a chance to review the Savage 14 American Classic I'd love to se that- I think they are comparable to the Remington 700 CDL in a number of pleasing ways.
The Paul Harrell of bench reviewers.
Not until we get a meat target.
my two fav channels plus hicock45 of course :)
One of the best "cheap rifles" ever made, IMO was the Remington 788. I never owned one, but several of my hunting acquaintances used them in the 70s and 80s. They weren't beautiful, they weren't lightweight but they were incredibly accurate, durable, reliable...and relatively cheap at the time. They are bringing surprisingly high prices on the used market now.
They were available in .22-250, .223, .243, 6mm Rem, .308, .30-30 and .44 Mag., so they covered a pretty broad range. The .243 and .308 models were, by far, the most common. They were also available in carbine and rifle length barrels.
Were I in the market for a low end rifle, I would probably pay a little more and pick up a 788 over the newer budget models they make now. They really were that good.
The modern budget rifles really are phenomenal nowadays. You get impressive performance for a low cost. That said, they're boring and soulless. Perfect for a beater/utility rifle.
Personally, if you're going to buy only one rifle, I'd rather get something with some nice wood furniture, but I can understand the market for them.
You make sense Rusty - there has to be a market for them or they wouldn't make them. Still, pretty sad rifles in a lot of ways...even if they go bang.
I wouldn’t even put one on my ATV rack. No need to disrespect an ATV in such a way. Lol
Amen even the thompson compass 6.5 creed i picked up shoots 1 moa 5 shot groups after i bedded the action and did the 3 coil trigger spring lighter and did load development thompson i guess has a new barrel making machine with smith & wesson and are really cranking out some good accurate stuff you would have had to pay custom for just 10 years ago!
No surprise at the Weatherby (Howa) Vanguard being a top choice in budget rifles. The Japanese have been producing high value rifles and shotguns for years.
Green Knight
I have a Weatherby vanguard Fiberguard in 30-06 that was made in 2006.
It's factory certified to shoot 1/4" groups with premium ammunition
I have a Vanguard Deluxe in .270 and it is an excellent rifle. A work of art, really. It is absolutely beautiful and has laser beam accuracy.
PickCity1474
Yours a S2?
I have to say I wouldn't consider it budget though at least not anymore
Yes it is a sporter deluxe. It has the gloss stock and deep rich blue finish. Absolutely gorgeous and a solid performer. My local Wal-Mart was clearing them out some time ago and I picked it up for $349. It was the deal of a lifetime.
I paid my axis 22-250 with bushnell scope 250 $ Canadian .... very hard to beat and for 3 years never miss coyotes at 400 yds
Your praise of the Weatherby Vanguard/Howa doesn't surprise me at all. It is actually the rifle I recommend when a person is looking for a new rifle at a budget price and doesn't want to look at the used rack. That being said I do believe that if a person is willing to forgo the new gun smell that they can find higher quality guns at similar prices in the used rack.
What are some good ones to look for?
@@bradh6185 Well, the first thing one needs to do when looking into a hunting firearm is to make sure that it complies with the regulations for the hunting areas and types of hunts one is expecting to do. Beyond that one needs to keep in mind the terrain and game one is planning to hunt with said firearm. For example a Winchester Model 70 in 7mm-08 is an excellent deer rifle out west, but it isn’t suited for deer hunting in eastern Kentucky.
Guns I recommend to a person looking for a quality rifle are sporterized military surplus rifles. Many of them will come with iron sights so they allow for their immediate use instead of having to acquire a scope in order to use them. Others such as the post-64 Winchester Model 70’s are a good value, and the post-64 Winchester Model 94’s are a good gun as well and generally don’t command the extra premium that a similar condition “pre-64” one does. Those are just some that come to mind from what I have come across in the used racks, and there are plenty of others. USOG also has a tendency of mentioning other excellent hunting firearms in numerous videos. Perhaps the best thing to do is to watch more USOG videos to build up a knowledge base of the different firearms makes and models one may come across in the used racks.
Beyond that, in general, most hunting rifles today wear a scope and there are quite a few new gun packages that come with a scope. My general advice on that end of the spectrum is to avoid them. I prefer buying the scope independent of the new rifle because one generally doesn’t know who thought up of the rifle/scope combination. I am not saying there aren’t sometimes good scopes offered in those combinations, but I am always leery of them because I don’t who was the person who thought it was a good idea. Was it a hunter or someone who thought the gun and scope combo would look pretty in a marketing photo? Buying the scope and rifle independently can also allow a person to buy the rifle one year and the scope the next if they so decide. On that note I tend to lean toward the Leupold line of VX scopes such as the VX-Freedom or VX-3i as my own recommendation for solid hunting scopes. There are other great scopes as well and USOG would probably know more about them than I.
Anyways, I hope this helps to answer your question and have a nice day.
Very good review, very informative and probably one of the best channel about riffle on youtube
This is the closest I'll ever get to messing with one of these. Thank you for doing the dirty work Mike!!!
Thank you and all the best for 2023!
You deserve a lot more subscribers. Thanks
Thanks Beretta102 - I'm pedaling as fast as I can : ) - I'm one of those "If you build it, they will come." people. So far so good.
Thank you wants again for sharing your knowledge please don't ever stop making videos you do it in such a way that the common man can understand
In UK/europe, the cz range of rifles were the budget choice for decades. They were what Gamekeepers, farmers, vermin controllers used, as the rifles were very tough, well made of good materials and accurate. In addition they did not cost the earth, and lasted years.
I like old, wood and steel rifles that were mostly hand made.I recently sold all my plastic guns in favor of Anschutz's,Krico's, and others of similar quality.The old German rifles saved me money, as they were cheaper to buy.Zero reviews on CZcams for them or they would have been expensive, as people don't understand what they are, and especially what they are worth.We get many rare, collectable, old guns here in Canada that never make it south.Especially the Russian, and German ones.They are much cheaper than most new guns, and are more fun to shoot.
Most enjoyable,...I thought this was a really good way to have a look at the internals of these top sellers.
I have three of the six you've shown here, and I enjoy shooting with them.
Very useful, informative, and enjoyable to watch after a long day at work.
I appreciate the time and thought you put into your videos. ..always enjoy them.
You're welcome!
In a previous life, I could only afford rifles with scopes for $400 - $500. Best rifle I ever owned is a Marlin XL7 in .270 with a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x50. I think I gave $250 for the rifle and $150 for the scope. I can only guess the number of deer that rifle has killed in the past 15 years or so, but it's probably close to 100. It's still a sweet rifle and will always be one of my favorites. I've got a Sako 85 finnlight with a VX5-HD now and that old .270 still holds the title in my book.
Super. Great Job. I always appreciate your approach, insight, input & perspective. I will search & see if you review the Weatherby Vanguard independently. We are definitely looking at it seriously.
Great video as always! Time will tell how well these hold up but its amazing how much accuracy and reliability they have squeezed into cheap rifles these days. Recoil lugs/ pillar bedding, decent triggers, light stocks, detachable magazines for so cheap is making it so easy to get into shooting or hunting. Getting a quality hunting rifle like on of these for near the same price as a 10/22 these days is just mind blowing.
There is a large survivor bias in old guns: the lemons, and there were many of them back then, are all long since on the scrap heap and we are left almost entirely with superb examples of craftsmanship. We use this small sample to project back and we assume all the old guns coming out of the factory were amazing guns when they were not. 3 MOA or larger was probably about average for a mass-produced gun until fairly recently. Now, if even the cheapest rifles don't get us near or below 1 MOA we feel cheated. Modern manufacturing techniques have made the average gun way, way better. However, without the hand-fitting, etc., of yesteryear, the very best guns coming off the assembly line are generally less amazing than the very best of the old guns,
Thanks for all you do!
Very well done answers all my questions good job thank you for all the hard work it takes to put out such fantastic content
It's my pleasure Billy RD - thank you!
Great video as always
Thank you for making these videos.
A great review. Over all thanks
Excellent points, thanks.
Thanks for another informative video Mike. Fine rifles I am sure,but I am of the same opinion. You cant beat some nice wooden furniture. To me it turns a firearm into something much nicer.
CVA makes excellent budget rifles. The Bergara barrels on them are top-notch.
Thank you. Yes I went with the Howa over the others and love it. Cheers.
Excellent analysis and logical review! Pointed to + and - and design vs cost thinking of these mass production manufacturers!
Thank you Herman
I’ve been watching your videos for several years now and enjoy them very much,especially
Your apologies for the disjointed interjections.
If I have missed it please let me know, but I would really enjoy a video of all or at least some of your mannlicher stocked rifles. The more vintage the better.
Hi Doreen - Thanks for being here - I'm glad you don't mind my sometimes scattered thoughts. I'll make a video on mannlicher stocks - or at least what I have. Take care Doreen and have a wonderful Christmas.
Good review.
The Savage 110 was already very basic, cheapening it even more results in something I don't want to own. The Vanguard may be not be an expensive rifle, but it incorporates materials, design and construction that eclipse these budget rifles.
Congrats on having a really nice piece of crap compared to every one else who owns one of these total pieces of crap.
Great video
I have the Ruger American Predator in ceracoat bronze with desert camo stock. Absolutely beautiful and a step up from yours. It's also chambered in 300 Win Mag capable of stopping anything in North America, Alaska and the African plains. For those worried about the "big five" in Africa, you legally need 375 or larger with the 416 being the best.
Very informative, thank you for taking the time to disassemble all and assess the pros and cons. The firearms industry has IMO done too much of what we call in manufacturing term as "design to cost". Many improvements and I realize that many people have little budget for new firearms and having a low threshold to entry may bring some into the hunting and shooting community which we certainly need. This video helps me to understand that my recent purchase of the Howa was likely a good decision.
Thanks ZH - I agree - you bought the best of them all.
I love the Ruger American, I have one in 30-06 and its shoot perfekt at 400 yards.
Is the recoil too much for the lightweight ?
@@tayloralbrecht8362 no, its god rekoilpad on, and you can feel the power 👌👌
enjoy your videos!!!
I was lucky enough to acquire an ex-military Australian built Lithgow Lee Enfield .303. I know there are still plenty around but (value seems to be increasing) but I just feel so lucky to have such a great piece of Australian Military history. I just wish it could tell me the story of the two notches cut into the fore stock! Thanks again for another wonderful video USOG 🇦🇺
Hi Jimmy - You bought another gem - well done. It is easy for people to not be aware of how great guns from the past are - and unlike most other things; if cared for guns last. Your Lithgow makes any budget rifle look very sad indeed. All the best to you in the Lucky Country! Thanks for the note mate!
I love my rebarrelled SMLE. It is now a 6.5x55 SE. I also have a Ruger American Ranch Rifle in 6.5 Grendel. I have several rifles chambered in "odd'
i use a beeswax linseed mix to keep the gun from rust. dont even need to do anything to the stock. super light weight compared to an AR or the old militairy riflles like the Mosin, Mauser, Enfield, Arisakas and about the same as the super lightweight Carcano which by the way can accepr a printed Enbloc to be able to shoot it as a single shot for $22. the incredible light weight of these new ultra budget rifles is a real pleasure to haul up and down the mountains and youll no longer dread days out in the woods.Thanks for the autopsy and for the price one can own 2 or all 3 brands in different calibers for the price of an average priced rifle and you will no longer worry about a few scratches if one turns into a truck gun. or simply try one of thes and a whole lot of amo for many weekends out at the range with friends and family. PS now that we all know thanks to you and your viewers we all now know be extra careful not to drop your reciever if you ever take apart your Mossberg which is the prettiest of the group.
This is a video I really love and applicable to most of your subscribers/fans. Most of us love all things rifle like yourself, however, there is not a chance in hell I'll ever have a collection like yours. What I'm interested in is the best value for money rifle you can buy, and the Howa 1500, Weatherby Vanguard S2, Winchester XPR, Browning AB3 etc., are all rifles most of us are thinking of buying for the purely utilitarian purpose of taking it out for hunting. I want to know does it shoot sub-MOA with the proper ammunition? And is it robust enough to last? Great video applicable to MANY of your subscribers. Your expertise is highly valued.
I have an Axis II XP in .223. Good value, especially in that caliber. But I'd worry about the flex in the stock were I shooting a heavier round like .308. Great analysis and comparison - very well done. Thank you.
Hi Floyd,
I have the SAVAGE AXIS II in .308 wood stock. Have killed deer and hog from 30-125 yards. With my hand loads (150gr bullet) I can print a 1 inch group at 100 yards but 2-3 inches at 200. It’s OK for a entry level .308 CAL. I have NO FLEX problems in the stock.
Such a great video. I have wondered about all of the cheap rifles and agree with spending a couple hundred more on non-cheapened rifles. I think they all work but wonder for how long and exactly how much abuse they can withstand before being rendered useless. I would say they are more the rifle for disposable razor type of person. I actually pay more for a nice non-disposable razor and keep them for years.
Great video as always. Like you I prefer steel and wood. :-). Hard to really warm up to any action short of a Mauser once you have one.
Hi Rick - every time I see a note from you I get a lift. I know I've thanked you many times...but thank you! And you are right " Paul Mauser was not John Browning or Mikhail Kalashnikov - but humble Paul, created the best firearm of all time. When every other bolt rifle has stopped - the Mauser goes on.
Another good one! I have the Remington 783, in 300 Win Mag. Its an Elk Slayer!!
I had 4 ruger Americans. I thought they were pretty good except for 2 things. The forearms are not too ridged, and I don't like the magazines, they are harder to load and cartridges hang up in them. I even got replacements and had the same problems.
In my opinion the remington 783 is the remington version of the marlin XS/XL7 which is a great gun too have for hunting and or just target shooting
My current favorite bolt action rifle is the TCA Dimension. It is an accurate rifle (One MOA guaranteed.) which supports more than 10 calibers by changing components. I can build a rifle that will shoot 3 calibers easy as A, B. C for under $1,000. Found out that they stopped making the Dimension. What a shame. Thanks for your videos. Keep em coming.
The most amazing thing is that the cost of these rifles would only be about $75 in 1970 dollars. It shows what modern types of manufacturing can do. Unless you get a dud, which is less and less likely, they shoot as well custom rifles not that long ago. Still miss the wooden stock though
If you are correct about the cost being $75.00, i recall the the average price of a Remington 700 in 1970 was $ 135.00 - $150.00. I would much prefer the M - 700 for a bit more. And as I have several from that era alone, ADL's, BDL's and Varmints, I can assure you that they shoot just as tight and have held up as well as my pre war M - 70 Winchester in .270 Win. has. And as far as shooting as well as custom rifles from not to long ago is concerned, I don't know which rifles you are referring to. But any rifles that Kenny Jarrett, Melvin Forbes, Kimber ( Super America Series ) Cooper Arms, Dakota and some lesser known makers have produced, in the past, they will shot less than MOA in the X ring all day long at distances of 100 yards plus without even trying very hard. Hell, my very early, first 6 months of production, Ruger M - 77MkII Target Rifle with the Ruger Gray heavy barell, blued receiver, Laminated wood target stock with wide beavertail forend, recessed crowned muzzle and tuned trigger, just as it came from the factory around 1992 - 93, in .223 Remington shot .275 - 280" 3 shot groups right out of the box at 100 yards. For 5 shot groups at 100 yards it does .3" or less. This was no fluke as the blue book of gun values price of these early Target Rifles reflects their accuracy and quality. These early MKII Target Rifles it seems, were built by selecting the best components and assembled by hand, and fitted to perfection. The different color barells and receivers indicates the hand selection of parts used in these very early rifles. This did not last long, as they changed production to overall blue not long into production. Now, in 1992 or there abouts the price Tag on this rifle was higher than most. But an astute shooter could see the quality they were getting for the pricey $675.00 they would lay out. Trust me, that was quite a bit more than the competition were charging. But man oh man is she an incredibly superb shooter now and then. I've put a Lupold 4.5 - 14 A/O Vari-X III on her and if it can be seen out to 6 - 700 yards she can hit it with very impressive accuracy. The only complaint, and there are always at least one as nothing in man's world is perfect, would be the weight, she is a big girl. Probably tipping the scale at somewhere around 12+ pounds or more with the scope. However if it was incumbent upon me to have to hit a dime sized target at say 200 yards, THIS would be the rifle I'd grab, without hesitation !!!
So no, just because modern production techniques are capable of turning out very decent shooting rifles, it's highly unlikely that they can match the semi custom or custom rifles of the mid 1970's thru the 80's and 90's. And I agree with you that the wood stock is missed and has a charm of its own. And where an H.S PRECISION Stock does have it's place, such as a long range, tactical or for big 5 Safari. The plastic, polymer stocks in widespread use by all the popular manufacturers are just what they are intended to be. A cheap means to hold a barelled action that will loose it's recoil pad before 10 - 15 years have passed, will strip out sling swivel stud screws and likely not hold up as well long-term ( 30+ years )as well as is thought. Just think of a Glock 50 years from now as opposed to a 1903 Colt pistol. Im not convinced of lasting durability, time will tell. Sorry for the long ramble, but these are my observations as a Smith over the last 28 years. Some are fact and some opinion.. But all food for thought.
@@bobgarr6246 I'm not sure of your age but I'm in my late 60s Most custom guns in my time were built on military Mauser actions. Beautiful workmanship, great stocks but they were built to hunt, usually with large calibers. In truth most were 1 to 11/4 moa guns. and for hunting 99% of the time that's all you need. Most of the guns churned out today by CNC machines can shoot as well. They were the guns I was comparing modern guns too. I also live in central PA home to the long range Groundhog gun. The guns they built were very very accurate because they were shooting groundhogs at over 500 yards. Many guns were one off wildcat calibers. these guns were accurate but not a gun I would carry into the woods. I agree that the what I call CNC guns will not hold up under hard use unless someone does some modifications to them but most people that are going to buy them shoot a couple of groups on the range and go hunting only shooting them a couple of time then too. Then they put them away until the next year. I my self would never buy one.
As a Smith I am familiar with most all of these. I'm not impressed with very many. I would never encourage buying any firearm that uses a polymer magazine if the magazine catch is steel, and vice versa. The magazine may work and feed well now, but it's only a matter of time before it won't stay in the firearm due to metal on plastic wear. The Mossberg on the surface is a really nice, handy well thought out little rifle. But the receiver side wall being so very thin is a problem waiting to happen. The gun falling, being sat on, hot hand loads, re barreling and re chambering to a more potent short action cartridge and even the act of removing the barrel itself are all ways of twisting or deforming the receiver. I'll pass. As for the Ruger, I never understood the thinking behind dropping the M-77MkII or even the Hawkeye and bringing out the American. It is definitely a step backwards in all aspects of design. A definite pass. I most likely would pass on the Savage Axis. The 110,111, 112, 116, 10, 11, 12..... series are so much better and have a well deserved reputation. The only comment you made that I disagree with is about the 110's price. The Axis is cheap, about $350 or so. However, the relatively low cost 110 series of rifles are no longer low cost. You can expect to lay out $800 - $1,000 or more to buy one. The Remington 783 is by far the best of the lot. A proven design and well thought out and executed, I would consider this one. Now, unless they have drastically changed things, my past experiences with the Interarms/Howa, 1500 rifles have been way less than impressive. Poor fit and finish, rough and sloppy bolt travel, and an overall poor quality control. In principle the action is sound, based on the 98 Mauser. Buying the action alone to build a rifle off of is not to bad of an idea as most flaws and faults can be corrected when doing the build. The one rifle that has truly impressed me you don't have here. I can find no faults or deficiencies with the Marlin MR - 7. Marlin did a really good job in the design of this rifle. They looked at the best traits of the top gun makers rifles and took what worked best and incorporated those features into their design. And at a price of around $300 - $350 MSRP.
The MR-7 hasn't had an MSRP in 20 years from the date of this video ... they stopped making them in 1999. The price of a 110 is from $539 to over $2K depends on the features you want ... a 110 ENGAGE HUNTER XP with a Bushnell scope is about $580. 2 years ago, I bought a model 11 for $625. YDKWYATA
Nice video
A video of yesterday’s “budget rifles” compared in today’s dollars to today’s “budget rifles” would be kinda cool….
I do love my Savage Axis (II) - out of the box, it was pretty damn accurate (308,) shooting a hair over 1" at 100y with basic whitebox ammo. And it shot between .5 and .75 with some IWI 7.62, and Norma WhiteTail 308. After I changed the stock (a bendy plastic pos,) bedded it into a new Boyds stock, and it started shooting .3-.6 . However, i'm still french tinkering it - even though most of the tinkering is cosmetic, it's still just a fantastic barrel for how cheap Savage sells them.
I have a Weatherby Vanguard Fiberguard chambered in 30-06 and was made in 2006.
It's only been shot 3 times and is factory certified to shoot 1/4" at 100yds.
I have a Swarovski Habicht 3-10x42mm scope mounted on it.
Very good quality rifles for the money.
They never certified 1/4” accuracy. It may do it but Weatherby never guaranteed it.
Jaeger Meister
Weatherby guaranteed the model itself and not each individual rifle.
For instance my rifle is a MOA model meaning it's guaranteed 1 MOA 100yd group.
They made the MOA Fiberguard for only a couple years until they changed it too the SUB-MOA model shortly after.
But on my rifle the factory tested target is a 1/4" group at 100yds.
It has a MOA guarantee but from how i understood it's certified to shoot 1/4"
Why own a rifle if you've only shot it 3 times?
Rusty Shackleford
The Neighborhood doesn't like when we shoot a 30-06 in our backyard...
Plus it's against HOA rules and is very illegal
Rusty Shackleford
But it's a hunting rifle so the only time it gets used is on hunting trips
Hey man. I really enjoy the vids. Have you ever did I a review on the Remington 798? May have a chance to pick one up and curious about your opinion oh them. Thanks
Hi Ricky - excellent, excellent rifle. Mauser action from Zastava. These are tanks and usually quite accurate. They are as reliable as a rifle can be. I hope you get it.
Of all the options on the table the Howa barreled actions aren’t the only ones that are well made enough to to be at home in upscale priced rifles. The only budget boat paddle rifle that I would trust is the Ruger. I understand that the market today that sells is boat paddle budget rifles but I am still stuck in an era of walnut and blued steel.
I think another rifle to look at in this category is Mauser's new m-18 it retails for $700. I looked at one in the shop the other day. My perception of it was if the Tika t3 and the Ruger American had a baby. I think because of the Mauser name they jack the price up. In my opinion it should be a $400 rifle that fits into the budget category even though it doesn't come at a budget price point. I think it would be interesting to compare it with the T3 and Ruger American. I know the M-18 Mauser has some degree of parts interchangeability with a Remington 700 as far as scope mounts and possibly with after market stocks but don't quote me on that. I'd have to research that.
Love your channel! I know lots about modern and surplus firearms, but not to much about commercial and “sporter” rifles. I keep coming back here because its a great resource for these types of rifles. On side note can’t tell if your from Canada or if your in the Northeastern/ New england part of the United states. Are you Canadian?
Hello Guitarist - Thanks for the kind words. I'm in British Columbia - fantastic place. Glad the channel is useful - I'm trying hard. : )
I love my Mossberg MVP scout rifle. It is so accurate. Now I need to go take it apart and check it out.
Hi John - You have a great rifle. Mossberg is a fabulous company that never lost sight of why a company makes guns - or should. You can be proud of your rifle. Be healthy my friend and stay safe.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I don't know now that I saw you talk about the Mossberg Patriot. Starting to just wish I just got a Troy Pump Action Rifle.
great review! can't see anything wrong with using budget rifles if they shoot well and are SAFE to use. as always, even if you don't reload, i'd recommend examining spent cases for stretch and have a competent person look into any difficult extraction...
Good thoughts Greg - they seem to be accurate and work right out of the box.
Hello sir how you doing! Well this is a great video and very informative, on the stock all look the in same way and is understandable chase manufactures want to save money and majority are using polymer magazines, I have a TC compass in 308 and now compare it with those guns on the table the different is not too much, I think the difference between them is the shooter skills but I think like someone here said before: "I appreciate the old bolt guns rifles"
Thanks Elgonz12 - I saw a couple of TC Compass rifles at the range - I think one was a .243 and the other a .308 - they both shot very well. I thought they would be about the same as the other polymer rifles and I'm glad you note something like that too. There are only so many ways to make a rifle less expensive so the manufacturers probably all use about the same ways. I like the used gun section far better than the new gun section in stores.
Awesome video man. What about the Winchester m70 ultimate shadow ? I just bought one. Don’t know if it’s considered a budget rifle or not. Would love your input. Thanks
We are in a time where there are firearms available at all price points. These are all serviceable and affordable. It is my sincere hope these low cost rifles bring more people back to shooting sports.
I think you're right - more people will "buy in" given the availability of affordable rifles.
I own the 783 heavy barrel version and the TC Compass both in 6.5 CM. The stocks are nothing great but they are both accurate. I shot 1/2 moa with the TC Compass a couple of days ago with some of the cheapest ammo (Hornady American gunner 140gr). I have an accurate load for the ruger precision but these “budget hunting rifles” are VERY accurate. Hopefully you can get a TC Compass in for review. Cheers!
Hi Mr. NiceKnife - I like notes such as the one you wrote a lot. It shows that the objectives of accuracy and hopefully reliability have been accomplished - and are being offered at a reasonable price. This is a good thing. I'll try to get a Compass - I saw one at the range and it was just as you said - wonderfully accurate. I appreciate that you wrote and take care.
I think it’s stupid they push out rifles with scopes and no iron sights. People don’t want iron sights anymore
اسلام عليكم صديقي العزيز ارجو منكم ان تترجم فديواتك بلغه العربيه ارجو منك ذالك وشكرآ
Same, I see Ruger not putting them on some of their 10/22’s now. I mean come on, who takes iron sights off of a .22?
The other thing is that it is not everybody who are rich .... some good riffle are very expensive .... I guess my 60 year old Winchester 94 is still my best
Those that have a separate trigger guard do allow you to replace that part if it breaks as opposed to having to replace the entire stock, but that is of secondary importance if it makes the stock too flimsy to achieve accuracy. JMO
Howa and Tikka definitely a different league
Inexpensive guns give beginners a chance to buy a rifle to see if they want to go further down the firearms journey much like the $149 Asian Strats at Guitar Center. Some people try firearms or guitars and then decide to become proficient at their new hobby.
My only caution is that sometimes saving money can be a self-defeating strategy. None of us want to pay too much but buying a pot metal and plastic 30-06 is a poorly thought out plan of action.
I think if you want to get into a new hobby, you should actually do your research and homework and know what you really need and what you're looking at in terms of expenditures. Spending between $500-1000 will be better than getting a rifle/scope combos for less than $300.
You're gonna spend it sooner or later so why not get a better gun up front and skip the hassle.
Great video and thoughts for the beginner gun folks!
Wise words Paul. And sometimes I tried a sport - squash comes to mind - and bought a cheap "first" racket - which broke during the first game. It took me 2 years to get back to the court with a decent racket - which was me being slow of course - and I've loved squash ever since.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns - And, PS - A good friend of mine has a Howa in 30-06 that he's hunted with for 15 years; he swears by that rifle. It has a Kahles 3-12x56 on top and kills the deer as dead as our other buddy that hunts with a German Weatherby. Come to think of it, all of our rifles tend to kill the deer to the same level of dead. LOL!
Had a chance to shoot the TC compass in 6.5 creedmoor and I have to say I was extremely impressed with the accuracy of the rifle. It has the 3 lug bolt with 60 degree bolt throw.
Ruger copied the T/C three lug. They were using them in the Icons and the ventures, and the S&W I-bolt before the Ruger A even was born. I still like the Ruger A though.
brought a Mossburg ATR about 8 years ago as a first bolt action gun. really like it. cheap shooter. But really would rather have a mauser or lee enfield. Nice video series and easy ot explain guns to novices.
Hi John - That Mossberg is excellent.
I love my patriot for the price I can’t be happier. My brother has a savage axis we bought them the same day we were just out and needed or decided we needed a new 308 both work great though
You're right Chase - both are useful, accurate and affordable. I like the Patriot a lot.
i have a mosseberg patriot and iv thought the same thing and i do gunsmithing and have 2 lathes lol thank god the mosseberg has a good recoil lug to hold the action together lol
I just can't see these plastic guns being worth anything in the next generation.
Give me old wood and steel.
Thank you.
There’s always one more…T/C Compass? Love mine.
Yessir thank you. I agree ☝️ hinged floor plate is always better. Mossberg makes great shotguns ha ha. I am on the hunt for a Howa or Vanguard now. I have a Savage Axis XP which is amazingly accurate. The best deal on the table is the Rem. 783. Love ❤️ that rifle. Great vids honest objective truthful. 🇨🇦.
Thanks Randy - hope you like the Howa (when you get one) as much as I do.
What do you think of the carbon fiber-wrapped barrels such Christiansen Arms, et al?
I love your videos! I'm catching up on some older submissions. A friend who's a gunsmith says flatly that NO polymer firearm will ever reach a level of collectibility... period. He said this despite some having fine actions. I'm curious what your thoughts are about this. Thanks for sharing your collection and any other firearms you discuss!
Hi flapwheat - I think your gunsmith is correct - I don't know of any collector that wants a polymer stocked rifle/shotgun of any kind. Some handguns seem to be okay - such as the Walther P38. Great note and thanks for writing.
so buy a wood stock
In my opinion I would avoid anything with a proprietary magazine as they become pretty hard to find. I prefer an internal magazine myself.
The Thompson center compass is another great option
Very fine rifle - I should test one - but people don't seem to sell theirs.
I have 2 axis, one 30-06 and the other 22-250. I know there are not the best but for the price there are so accurate and I do not mind scratching them .... I have some expensive. browning, winchester,Henry and those I keep them mint , so for me savage is a good seller for everybody and some people that I hunt with are really surprise how well those cheap riffle shoot.
I had the older one in .223. Nice and light but the trigger was hard.
Great videos! I've got an opportunity to go WY elk hunting this October and am shopping an elk rifle. As it will likely be a once and done trip, I don't want to spend a lot on a rifle. Between the new budget bolt actions you've reviewed (Mossberg Patriot, Ruger American, Remington 783, Savage Axxis, etc), would you still opt for a post 63 Winchester Model 70? I have an option to buy a New Haven made rifle with serial number G21727xx. I know the pre64s are the best, but how does a post 63 stand vs the modern budget bolt actions in your view? And do you know what year that sn may have been manufactured? I value your opinion!
I'd take the post 64 Model 70 above the others. My collector friends can't seem to agree on the year of your rifle but I gather min 1980s is about right. I think you have a very fine rifle - the pre 64 made it look bad but in actuality the post 64 is excellent. Hope this helps and have a great hunt! And keep in touch.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns Thank you for you quick response. I'm going with the post 64 Model 70. Winchester customer service called me back and advised the rifle was manufactured in 1997. Now...off to find the right scope for the elk hunt and a lot of range time in advance! Warm regards!
Not sure I'll ever be able to buy a plastic rifle after subbing to your channel, ha. Once you have the knowledge of how manufacturing has changed, you realize it's a good thing that the used guns are often not kept behind the counter and that these new plastic guns are.
: ) Thanks for subbing - and those plastic guns are really something unusual. I the used racks have the better guns - most of the time.
Mossberg, rossi and remington are the 3 junk heaps to avoid. I'd say sig too at this point
Out here the Howa/Vanguard is pricey.🇨🇦🤠
Hi Randy - I note that from time to time they are sold at a real discount - I'm not sure why - the rest of the time - you're right.
I'd say the actual Howa branded rifles are the top edge of "budget" and by far the best of the "budget" rifles. The Howas branded as Weatherby are the bottom edge of "quality" and still a fairly good buy in my opinion although you are paying a $50-$75 premium for the Weatherby name.
308....left hand....threaded barrel.....in Canada
Difficult finding is an understatement.
The Ruger is one of few that fits the bill.
May have to just continue to use my rh winchester xpr....which I feel is excellent.
Why does the xpr get no love?
Eeeek naked rifles! Shocking. Budget rifles are good for getting people into hunting and shooting. No sense in buying a Porsche if you don't know how to drive and are not sure if you will like it. All of these rifles shoot fine and will put meat on the table.
I like that Patrick - and they sell well so people must like them and need them.
Patrick Wentz i totally agree
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns -- Why carry a collector's item or family heirloom up and down the mountain in the dark to get banged up and rained on? Plastic stock and stainless barrel makes a slip-n-fall in the woods hurt less.
There will never be a replacement for fine furniture! I do own a couple synthetic and wood but they both have their merits
I agree
Ruger American. If you breathe on the mag. It will falls out. A very sorry design. Needs to be changed. Sorry. Great video. Great work. Thanks a lot friend. SC Navy vet. 😊. The Howa has a three position safety. I really like that. Bought my first howa week ago. Very nice rifle.
The cheap rifles have another possitive aspect.
They force the quality rifles (the ones with soul) to compete with quality instead of price.
My tikka shoots like a dream.
But i would miss my Sako if the house would burn down.
For new shooters the bargain prices in rifles is a good thing.
They will need their coin for ammo.
Solid words Mr - and I should have said my USOG philosophy phrase : every gun is a good gun; it is just a matter of how good.
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That is true.
To appreciate the purpose of what the rifle was meant to achieve.
Is more rewarding than comparing them with purdey finish or accuracy international precision.
Thank you for all the energy and knowledge you share.
may I ask if you have any suggestions for improving the action of my M96 sporterized? Still has the military barrel and trigger too! I was contemplating having my gunsmith install a cock on opening conversion. With enough copper in the barrel , no kidding, I usually acquire about 1/2 moa at 200 yards off of sandbags with the PPU 140 FMJ / SP and the old 144 grain FMJ PMC. Thought it was a fluke until I had a couple of guys try it too, three round groups. A retired guy from remington , 'Ed' , and a retired USMC competitive rifle shooter also. If no one has come across this, DO NOT do a serious copper removal if your old rifle is shooting well and no pressure signs! Bore shine etc, after three days, really pretty! Groups grew to 2 inches at 200, It took about 40 plus rounds and normal cleaning to return to MOA and less! Great Channel, thanks much
Hi Ed - Based on your accuracy results - I'd say you have a near perfect rifle. I wouldn't change a thing. Those M96s are absolute gems and I love the cock on closing. I also find the military trigger and all other features superb. Sweden came up with a cartridge that keeps being re-invented (Creedmoor) - but it remains the best. I have nothing but good to say about your rifle. Thanks for the kind words. I need them. : )
thank you much for the response, I won't touch the rifle, and I honestly just sat and chuckled when the 6.5 Creedmoor appeared and then apparently Took Over the market. I had pulled the ballistics for the cartridge from a 22 inch standard barrel, its a swede. Thanks for a great channel
I'm told that a bolt with a 60 degree bolt lift is better than a traditional higher bolt lift like on a Winchester 70 or Remington 700 because it's "faster to lift" because you don't have to lift it as high. At the same time, the bolt requires you to pull harder on a 60 degree bolt lift because you have to cock the firing pin in a shorter distance. Doesn't the harder bolt lift completely negate any tiny amount of time you save from the shorter bolt lift?
People also like the way the 60 degree lift avoids hitting large scopes with the bolt handle. Some designs, such as the Ruger American have very well designed cams and one hardly notices the slighly harder bolt lift. Over all - it doesn't really matter much which way one goes - both are fine.
Looking to buy a reasonable priced gun for coyote, can't decide between a hardwood stocked axis, or a used savage 340/western field 222 with a fagen stock. Both about the same price. I don't really care for the throwaway guns, but the axis looks pretty good in wood
Sure - try the Axis - lots of people like them.
Stainless axis. The blued ones are fine for range shooting but if thry get wet thet rust like you would not believe.
Any plans to review the Sabatti Saphire or Strasser rs14?
Hello mum243 - oh yes - they are on my list; particularly the Strasser - but no luck getting one yet. Thanks for the reminder.
Hello again mum243 - I only now heard from a viewer that the Strassner is made in Salzburg! That is such a beautiful and unforgettable city - and not only because of the Sound of Music (filmed there and in the area) . I liked Salzburg so much - I didn't want to leave. BTW there is a gunshop/maker there - Dschulnigg - a wonderful shop just before the river - they have some fantastic rifles there - or used to. I hope Austria never loses its hunting heritage.
I just had the opportunity to handle one at the IWA convention in Nueremburg. I am planning to by the RS14 while I am stationed here in Germany. While I save up for it, I am using the Sabatti for hunting.
@@mum243 No suffering with the Sabatti : ) - great rifle as well.
I dont own one, but the gen 2 axis stock seems a little more rigid in feel. Out of the budget rifles, I lean more towards the Ruger American series. To me the Wetherby and Howa are slightly above what Id call budget, and the Tikka I dont consider a budget rifle.
I think you're right on all counts. The Howa is a cut above, although sometimes priced as low as the others. The Tikka should be priced lower - but somehow snuck into the higher price category. margins on that on must be a home run for the Beretta group that owns Tikka etc...
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns I had heard some reports of the newer Tikkas having issues with the magazines. Not sure if its here and there or across the board. I was thinking of getting one, so hope not. Might go with a Weatherby then. I have heard of other makes having issues too, so who knows.
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that the only one of these budget rifles that doesn't have a Savage style accutrigger is the Savage? lol
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The Winchester 94 is better looking and worked for Pancho Villa's men.
I dont like these rifles, but i realize so many people that like guns are not enthusiatics, for those guys a Ruger American and a M77 is the same thing.
Good point. Some people have the same issue with glass and diamonds : )
What makes a gun a collectors item?