BMW E92 N54 17T Budget BUILD 0-100kmh 0-60mph: LSD = QUICKER?
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- BMW E92 N54 17T Budget BUILD 0-100kmh 0-60mph: LSD = QUICKER?
So with much excitement we are finally doing an official ZeroTo60 test on the budget 335i. Since the last test it's had the 17T turbos installed, Mfactory 1.5 way limited slip diff as well as a full custom tune. It's running at 25psi at the moment, so what will its new time be?
You can get $50 off a custom tune using code JSRTuning valid till 2nd of November. JSR has been brilliant at setting up this car and the way he makes the Auto shift is insane. Make sure you tell him you come from ZeroTo60 / jsrtuning www.www.jsrtuning....
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Budget Build Parts List So Far
Turbos through eBay
RHD UK/Australia - ebay.to/2PKAgId
LHD USA/Europe - ebay.to/3hN9awQ
Turbos through Amazon
17T RHD / LHD Listing amzn.to/3efnoDQ
19T LHD amzn.to/2VZuV3i. (these are slightly bigger then mine, i wish i got these)
19T RHD amzn.to/2ZXg0Ib (these are slightly bigger then mine, i wish i got these)
2 Inch Inlets - ebay.to/33Qi9ZJ
Gecko Coilovers - ebay.to/3jrUIeI
Rocker Cover - amzn.to/33caOBd , ebay.to/2TIRQyZ
-10an Line & Fittings Kit - ebay.to/31GFsCB
Trans Cooler - ebay.to/3gOkbxy
Elder Coils - ebay.to/38Izq5R
Billet PCV Valve - ebay.to/3aS7NJg
China Spec Walbro 460 F90000267 (use at own risk, but that is whats in this car currently - update the second pump in the stage 3 setup, failed straight away) - amzn.to/33fqYZ4
LCI Tail Lights - ebay.to/34KQc3L
12mm Bolt On Spacers - ebay.to/2XRRKah
E92 Custom Floor Mats - ebay.to/2CkgEaX
Smoked Side Flashers - ebay.to/2XPyVEk
Clear Side Flashes - ebay.to/2PMkMUi
My port injection was secondhand. But i may switch to a PI manifold shortly.
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Your previous 100-200 km/h run of 6.1 sec would definitely put you in the 600whp range.
My best 100-200km/h run was 6.3 secs and the car (2007 E90 6AT RWD) put down 580whp/550wtq @ 25psi.
You can definitely do better in the 0-60mph. My best run was 3.49 secs (3.2 secs w/ 1 ft roll-out) on the street with LSD and newer PS4S tires. That was with a 2nd gear launch with boost limited to 17psi..couldn’t launch in 1st due to tire spin.
I havent tried second gear launch with the LSD. I probably should have stressed this is the first time i have driven the car with these boost levels since the motor went back in. So still have a lot of testing to do. We just had a chance to get both of us in the car film the zeroto60 and jumped at it. Will definitely give the second gear launch a test out.
Keen to see how the second gear launch goes, and even 1st but shift earlier? Maybe a video on launching would be fun to watch!
So glad I got the n54 with Xdrive some times it spins all 4 tires that's when I start to wonder how RWD e90s owners even deal.
@kaochk5360 wondering any issues when you run 6AT with over 500whp, a lot friend told me 6AT won't hold too much power, I am building mine 6AT 335i now and want to avoid transmission failure cause by too much engine output. Thanjs
@@allenchien88It’s not the power that will hurt the trans, it’s the torque. My 6AT was at 550rwtq and it would slip once in a while. The trans was stock and had 130k-140k miles on it.
So when tuning, def. keep an eye on torque, esp at lower RPM.
Solid rear subframe bushings will make a huge difference in acceleration, rear end will be way more planted.
To be getting 4.3 with used tyres & no revisions on the map yet is impressive! You’ll be in the high 3’s soon. That car is a beast mate! 💪🏼
So good to see it back on the road. Sounds like the rear end might need some solid bushes ;)
It's not like everyone in the WORLD.......... has told me that haha.
@@ZeroTo60Tube haha gotta love when the community pesters you about something that's on the to do list 😂
@@ZeroTo60Tube I did Whiteline inserts. They definitely made a difference but now I’m thinking going full solid mounts or poly will be even more amazing. I did inserts cause they were 40$ and I didn’t have to drop the subframe completely
I just did a 3.7 (0-60 mph) with some wheel spin on a cold night. Only difference is... I have some Mickey T’s 15x10x50 rear tires and wheels. And I didn’t even warm up the tires. I have most of the upgrades you have too with exception of port injection. I have a helix 4x over drive instead.
You can get into the mid 3s but you need better rubber and not necessarily wider.
Nice work!
If you could I’d recommend dropping wheel size and raising tire thickness. Put some fresh grippy boys on the back and you’ll hook pretty well. I’m just concerned with the BBK you won’t be able to get smaller wheels in the back. I’m trying to hit 680 whp on my Pure Stage 2 turbos and best mod so far was a great tire wheel set up. I can only imagine what a great set up with an LSD would be like. Great video
Get a diff brace, keeps the rear so much more planted! LSD mostly works when putting power down out of a corner... Also with E85 you can run 13° timing and maybe add more boost in 2nd... Anyway I keep saying it but 100-200 kph is more relevant these days. :D
Relevant for what? For people who want a fast street car to daily (a LOT of people), 0-60 is plenty relevant and 100-200 is just asking for trouble. I understand what you're saying if you're looking for a pure demonstration of HP without driver skill and traction limitations, but that doesn't make 100-200 more relevant. That simply means it's a more accurate representation of pure power. And we already have dynos for that sort of thing, so my argument would be that 0-60 is actually more relevant for street driving.
So happy you got it running again. On 17t's I made 671whp @ 29psi... 17ts are capable!!! Enjoy
Man great video ,
I strongly recommend widening the rear tires to 285 or 295 and will sure notice a difference in traction especially for 0-60 times
Good luck man, happy this car is back to life with great power
I have forged 9 inch wheels in the front and 10 inch in the rear. Feels like a different car. The car has full bolt ons, and LSD. It is a monster.
You need to get adjustable rear camber arms especially when your already lowered. Cheap solution to fix a lot of traction issues since the stock ones don´t have enough adjustability
Very impressive with a Conservative tune and still faster at 4.51 secs 👌
That diff must make a huge difference, especially cornering speeds.
I run toyo r888r 275/35r18 in the rear and I was able to do a 4.2 0-100kph with a manual trans. With my setup, your car would be into the 3s.
The diff is an absolute must before you tune them. Power is NOTHING without control.... the fact you can apply power in bends make it far faster point to point. ( ex rally driver talking here 😉)
I know you haven't had much luck with 2nd gear launching but maybe play with it and make a vid, if anything to shut people like myself.....
I swear I can just get it on limit of adhesion all the way through 2nd gear on a launch, super smooth and it's quicker than it feels. Please 😘
If you jump on "sparesbox" you can get inserts for the K frame rear end bushes. About $100
I found it improved the rear end moving around under hard acceleration and surprisingly the biggest improvement was hard braking. They fill the voids in the standard bushes - easy to fit. 😎
Sounds like she’s running clean! Keep at it. Those times will drop with the tune revisions. 👍
That's the plan! Yeah, it will be a bit of work to get in to the 3's on the street. But thats still the goal......
Wow - it's still quick .. you'll get it to where you want. Look how far youv'e gone to date! :)
Fantastic, excellent first run for a "new" engine
Thank you very much!
Tires are everything! That bad boy could probly so sub 4 with a super sticky tire for sure.
In jhb we usually brakeboost and launch it from a dig in 2nd gear. Translates to a much more linear surge
Hahahaha 2:05 represent... dont worry tho I got a little something for you once I can sort my setup out.. 😁😅😋
Ohhh man...... seriously don’t worry about sorting it out, leave it as is when we run 😜🤣😂
@@ZeroTo60Tube yeah man I can do that it doesnt make 750hp anymore 😊😏 then I got that c02 bottle on top of that 😁😊 it went back a couple digits 🤔😋
hahaha lol..... dude i need to see your dyno video asap!
@@ZeroTo60Tube lol it's coming just 3 days now 😊😏
Love the conversion rate!
Try to launch at second gear with a little of break boosting, i use to hit 4.2 sec with good tires on good surface with just a jb4
Was that timing it with a dragy or the jb4?
Waiting for this video for so long! Put the map back!
Awesome video as usual lads! I think everyone getting fast 0-60 times done it in second gear on autos, regarding rear bushes I just installed the Bush Inserts from power flex n my god it’s tightened up the rear end, it’s pretty easy to do as well! Well worth mod if u haven’t changed them already! I’ve also bought some cerokoat VRSF downpipes to hopefully get rid of the 2k rpm drone!
Acceleration looks pretty decent, not bad. With a proper road surface and new tires you might already be in the 3s without touching the tune. Enjoy =)
Very true!
Time for some Toyo r888’s🤔.
Baby steps Andrew, baby steps
Finally back at it in earnest! 👏👏 thinking I want to ask JSR tune my stock turbos
Definitely worth speaking to him. Shoot an email to me as zeroto60tube@gmail.com and i am happy to help you through the process if you have any questions before speaking to JSR. You members make a massive difference to us being able to do this, anything we can to do help you out.
Not bad guys👍. I hope my car will go 4,5 sec one day! Dutch regards, Nico.
I glad to see your car back on the road. try pulling away in 2nd gear, it should improve your time👍
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Pretty rapid! And as said, wind It up and get some grippy tyres on it 👍🏻
Will 18s fit over rear brakes just for comparison timing againt 19s??, cheers boys 👍🏴
Can 18's clear the rear calipers? A set of 18's versus the rubber bands on the 19's would make a big difference
Rear they can yes.
I had a similar issue when I had ps4s, went to AD08R’s , all the issues went away sooooo much more grip , car turns on soo much harder due to the reinforced Ad08r side walls and you don’t sacrifice wet handling unlike other “street slicks”
Try a second gear launch and add rolling antilag lag you can use it from a dig via jb4
I've tried second gear with open diff, and it was slower, either too long to get in to the power band or it would still fry the rears. But havent tried it with the diff.
Been waiting for this follow up video and I completely understand when you talk about the crazy girlfriend that you don't want to break up with because she's tons of fun. LoL!
Exactly!! Is there a more accurate way to describe a N54 powered car?
@@ZeroTo60Tube No mate! LOL!
💯 and they're always high maintenance wanting to upgrade to bigger twins if you know what I mean haha 😄
Get ahold of Rod Sudfin
Or dct swap it.
@@jakegoldberg8941 he even improved the DCT in the 335is I built and sold @Rod Sutphin is the best thing that ever happened to any ZF TCU unit.
Perhaps you need to code off the eLSD - over at vehicular DIY he needed to due to it applying breaking to both wheels or some such - can’t quite remember but interested in your thoughts. Keep up the good work guys! Any idea how others can get the same diff you installed? From a wreckers or something?
I would love to see what it does with a pair of slicks in the rear..
You ever thought about going with the 19T's??
I saw a video with the difference between the 17T's vs the 19T's and the speed difference was Gap City!
I wouldnt mind trying some 19ts.
You need to go on xhp and limit your shifts to 6200. I did that on my e90 with upgraded twins and got my 0-60 way down
Great to see it back on the road... these cars are meant to be driven... they are so fun to drive... i think with a few tweeks to the coilovers the rear bushings and of course the map you can hit your mark easy... on another note... where did you get the ISTA from? i can't find a proper download site... i mean an official version not pirated one
Cheers
I got it from my brother in law. However a genuine copy won’t work unless you happen to own a BMW dealership.
Stick some Toyo R888R’s on it and they will be good for -0.5secs!
Have you considered rear subframe bushes? It should lockdown the rear. Nolathane full bushes are cheap and 2 piece which makes the install a bit easier
Yeah they are on the list.
On lame very old high mileage 305,000 km's Stock turbos (One with a seal leak) on pump gas (95Mon) with a heavier car (335XI but only rear wheel drive) on Bridgestone Crappy's (I forget the name) and MHD 2+ tune. 0 to 60 Miles an hour (Not 100kmh) I could do 5.5 sec. No better. So I think this was pretty good but as we know there was more to come LOL.
get apex rims and sticky tires you'll get low 4's.
Do a transmission flash
4.3
Weight the car and do 1/4 mile, you can calculate an estimated HP from it (weight and trap speed), or you can use the LogDyno app to see improvements. I use LogDyno to compare revisions and upgrades. (I know the developer of the app)
czcams.com/video/hArxsAnDCyo/video.html
4.8 is my guess.
Shift some weight to over the rear axle... Dave, sorry, you're in the boot mate :) Agree on the tyres though, might be worth a couple of fresh ones on the rear?
We'll see, we'll see. Ill keep playing tyres have a fair bit of tread left, so dont really want to replace them just yet.
@@ZeroTo60Tube You can allow weight to shift with shock tuning as well. I would guess (but do research to confirm) lower rebound in the front and lower compression in the rear. Can't remember if yours are double adjustable. Running lighter springs in the rear may help as well. Did you do the diff brace/lockdown? You've done the subframe and diff bushings in polyurethane, right?
Also I can really recommend some APEX lightweight wheels instead of those replica M4 wheels. :D
I went with Anthracite Apex arc8's on my Black e92. Looks so good.
Wind it up but get it on a dyno to check tune and hp output as I don’t think it’s anywhere near 600hp I would say it’s more around the 450hp as cars accelerate a lot faster with an auto
Don’t forget it’s on base map right now. The 100-200 time of 6.1 would need around the 600hp. 450hp will net around 8-9sec. It also trapped 129mph in a 1/4, rolling out.
@@ZeroTo60Tube what does the car weigh?
@@ZeroTo60Tube are you going to put car on the 1/4 mile drag strip is like to see the et and trap speed from standing start
Nice job! But I would concentrate on 100-200 times.
I am curious as well what exactly caused the compression issue on the old engine.
On my engine it was due to a leaking exhaust valve (17T 27PSI Cyl 4)
Absolutely for measuring power! But we kind of named our channel this back in 2016 so I’ll keep playing with launches. I do enjoy racing from a dig. So getting a car to launch is something I’m fascinated with.
Oh and still not 100% but the fact my water pump was only working intermittently could have contributed.
Brake boost it a little harder?
Diff brace on the cards?
Dyno time
Good stuff guys. My 23 year old just purchased his first N54 135I 6 speed. Also how’s your Gecko 🦎 coil over going. My rears are creaky but love the ride. Any idea why they creak ? Thx.
Awesome to hear you are bring your son in the brilliant world of N54 owenership. Can't think of a better car to learn some mechanical skill on. My geckos are still really impressive so far. Mine do not creek at all. But it shouldnt be too hard to work out where the noise is coming from. Generally shocks wont creek as the oil keeps them quiet, but definitely worth checking in case something is wrong. It's normally a bush that will squeek. Please let us know if you do work it out.
@@ZeroTo60Tube will do cheers.
Love the car. What year is this 335i?
It's a late 2007 Build
Where can check it’s late 2007 build?
What tires are you running?
reduce the wheel size, you will notice immediately. I never even considered 19inch wheels... too damn heavy plus more rubber weight also.
530 to 550 to wheel
That's not apples to apples man. Get it back up to where it used to be and get newer tires on a good road and try again!
just laughing those prices, here cheapest 335i is here 11grand.. euros
How much boost were you running on these pulls?
First is limited to 9.9, second 15 psi. and third is 25psi. But it wont target 25psi until 5500rpm anyway.
Oh also, i was just checking the members and it appears you might not be in the telegram group for the "ZeroTo60 G's"
I like spicy
haha, dont we all.
🏎🏎🏁👍😎
nothing wrong with a HEADCASE GIRLFRIEND lol poor Corn Fed Boost
Hahaha.