2023 Honda CB750 - Hornet Replacement
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- Honda has had 8 years since the introduction of the MT07, the benchmark for this group. The question is "did they get it right after all this time"?
Thank you Motorrad Huneke: ktm.motorrad-huneke.de/
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Video Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:55 Competition
3:18 Powertrain
4:53 Chassis
7:50 Ergonomics
10:06 Controls & Display
10:59 Verdict - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Top work there by ace camera man. Also great self discipline by not jumping into the water 👍
As I understand it, the ON/OFF throttle is a consequence of emissions standard compliance need (the fuel is cut off completely while decelerating and it's more noticeable at low speed) and it won't get "fixed" by the manufacturer. My new SV650 motor suffers the same. An ECU flash is the best solution, to my knowledge. Thank you for the vid!
Unfortunately you are absolutely 100% correct.
When bikes have different riding modes, and variables you can change, as this bike does; will an ECU flash (if done right) take that into consideration?
Wow! That's a very compact cameraman indeed!
Ja, die neue Hornet ist das perfekte Motorrad in der Naked Bike Kategorie. Ich hab meine seit 2,5 Wochen, das ist der beste Motor, das beste Getriebe, das beste Fahrwerk, die beste Ergonomie, das beste Handling, das ich bisher hatte und sie ist mein 9. Motorrad plus Fahrschul-MT07. Sie ist perfekt für sehr kurvige Landstraßen, aber auch den Stadtverkehr und das Reisen, weil sehr bequem. In Sachen Windschutz wird es sehr bald höhere Scheiben geben.
Love ur junior cameraman buddy👍😍 As I expected, more detailed and very good review👍way up boom3🙏
Excellent review as always👏 Like I’ve said before I wouldn’t buy a bike without seeing what this gentleman has to say about it first. Keep up the great work. Thank you
That's a mighty windy film! Well made review, as always. Thank you!
It looks much better in the silver than the black and red 👍
Nice review as always. Great team work with a cameraman.
It is nice to see Honda continuing to evolve its model line. Looking forward to your review of Suzuki's new offering.
Super presentation , board and so. Thank you !
Great video as always!
Nice work, I hope Cam’s cam action gets some praise too🤙🏻
Good work camera man!
Great review Scott. Seems like a great bike for the money. 👍
Very nice review, right to the point.
This man has more love for cassettes than the original Walkman
Thanks for your time in making this most excellent review. I’m so tempted. I need a fun bike for days out and the odd trip. I’ve been looking at the Yamaha GT900, £13,000! Nice bike but probs won’t use it for touring. Thanks again.
Nice review, I like it. 2 👍 up 💥💥
Been waiting so long for a good honda middleweight.
Good review 🤩
Great camera men!! 😄😄
Helpful review. My next purchase .
....sorry, how rude of me: Great review as ever - love the charts and your assistant will be a great help.
Hi Scott, I missed your relaxed but to-the-point reviews for a while (winter lasted long this year ;-)). Now there's a lot of motorcycle news so hopefully we can enjoy your work this spring! Nice bike, hope you do the Transalp too one of these day's!
Thank you Larry! Yea, it's still cold here, when I filmed this walk-around it was only 5 degrees and windy, you probably notice Cam with his winter coat on with the hood up, the little guy almost froze to death. But next week it's supposed to warm up a little bit, so I hope videos will be coming out every week. Or at least on a consistent basis now.
take care and keep warm,
Scott
Poor cold Cameron, yeah! But you know, when the going get’s tough, the tough get going!👍
Ditto with respect to Larry's comments. Sy, schoephf
I love your reviews, i soon hope to see a review of the new GSX-8S
Great review as always but it does make one marvel at bikes like the STreet 765 with their 130bhp
I liked your intro music you used to use.
Lovely place
The junior cameraman looks very happy in his work! 😂 Good job. Great specced bike for the money I think it will do well. I really think Yamaha has dropped the ball with latest generations of mt's as they are just STAGGERINGLY ugly.
Great review! Sounds like more wind noise in this video than usual? Def gave the impression that you're riding a naked!
Yea, it was a windy day, constant cross winds and big gusts all day long. Typical cold spring day here in northern Germany. I was thinking about putting the sound through the noise reduction software but really gives an artificial sound...so I chose not to do it and leave the real sound in the video.
take care,
Scott
Hey Scott, lovely to see young man helping out. Another great review of a very capable & cost effective bike. I just don’t like the looks. It’s just typical Honda boring cardigan style design. Just look at their cars. Imagine if Toyota styled motorcycles…like the Supra & F86…🤔 I think Honda needed to be bold with this.
Thank you! Agreed, it looks just like the MT07 or at the very least similar. But being "safe" is the "Honda way", so if this were parked in a line up with other bikes, you would not know that this is a brand new bike, it just blends in with the rest...sigh.
take care,
Scott
Excellent start in new season, top review as usual. Would you recommend this over Suzuki SV 650 (for newer rider 50 yrs old :) ). Ok, more power, torque, modern electronics...But more fun ridng too? And its 1500 eur difference....
The aesthetics on this bike are so... dull and boring somehow, I even prefer the cb500f ones (somehow). Of course, it's a great bike, and great price for what you get.
But have to say, this is not a bike that will turn my head when I see one on the street. The other day I saw an old Hornet... and ohboy, that's such a beautiful machine, despite its age, with character and style.
Yeah I have a 2005 pc36 and I was getting my hopes up. I mean awesome engine even tho I hoped for 3 cylinders or 4.
But a bike is mostly a toy even tho I use it for commuting. I want to look back at it when I walk away because it looks so great. Wouldn't do that with this one
Thanks. Another great review and a year ago I would have bought one straight out. I had been waiting for the right middle weight bike. The CB650 has simple suspension that feels a little under damped to me. Could have been settings. Sounds like the Hornet is better?
Scott! What have you done with the opening music, used to love that, really suits your style of relaxed presenting. I may have to start a petition!
Think this is the best colour of what is becoming a highly regarded bike in the category - still looks a bit transformerish, which is becoming old hat, but the grey helps.
Excellent work once more by your technician! Love it!
Totally agree! The old one was so much better. It was a trademark.
I agree that it's a good looking bike, reminiscent of the old xt500 yam, but it could do with a longer front guard as the engine/oil cooler will catch all the crud from the front wheel.
Great video as always. I'd like to see you review the Transalp. I had two of the 650 V-twins and think the new one, with pretty much the same engine as this hornet, could be a great real-world motorcycle.
The on-off won't be fixed by Honda because it's a compromise to fit into the Euro 5 regulations probably, it has to do with the fuel consumption at idle throttle. It can be fixed by remapping the engine for sure though, so there's that. I think this engine with a new exhaust, intake and map will probably blow the socks off anything in its weight-price class, it must be choked by regulations super hard.
8 years on the making to look like a CB 500F
Wait until you try the Transalp and the GSX8S. Welcome to the cameraman helper.
Thank you. Yea, he was on Easter break from school, so I brought him along for the day and handed him a gopro…he had fun. 😊👍
What is your recommendation to buy for everyday riding and occasional touring between those bikes? Aprilia tuono 660 factory 11000e, ktm 790 duke 9800e and street triple 765r 10200e. Which bike will offer the best package for its price in your opinion and long term reliability?
Been looking forward to your review of this little Honda! Will be curious how the S8 compares in your opinion and what one gets for the extra money they're charging. I have fond memories of my 2017 SV650, but it was underpowered and the cheapo components showed their limit fast. But with 90 ponies, this Honda seems like the perfect everyday bike that you can thrash around on a weekend and even go on tour with. Tempted to eventually downgrade from by R1200R.
What year? I have a ‘15 R1200R.
@@L3f7S1d3 I have a 2017, so pretty much the same model! It's very nice! But it's maybe more than I need most of the time.
@@pomazzzz agreed. And heavier.
Best color for the hornet :)
In waiting for Transalp 750
I’m waiting for the CB 1100 Hornet. With hopefully a more normal headlight fairing.
yes at some point I want a worthy successor to mh Hornet 900 919 but its not there!
@@druegeme I think maybe in a couple of years. So, hold on. The 919 is a very cool bike. I was interested in one back in the day but I bought a ZRX1200 instead. Still have it.
Scott, thanks for a great review. You have said elswwhere that your favourite bike in the class is the Tuono 660 Factory. However today if you were offered a new Hornet or a 2021 Street Triple RS with 7,000 km on the clock which would you put in your garage?
RS, just more of everything. But rs is way more money new to new. So it's really not fair to the Honda, budget vs. Rs Performance.
@@NothingToProve Thanks. Yes 40% more here. There is 2021 version for sale on behalf in a dealer close by with 7,000km on the clock with the usual bits and peices added for essentially the same price as a new Honda. Simple choice then?
please tell where is this place you ride ??
SV650 - thought they'd changed their mind and were continuing production?
On off throttle is a result of emissions compliance. Nothing can be done about this without loosing said compliance. They have to tune them so lean that when you open/close the throttle the engine is starved for fuel before it gets any to eliminate any possibility of unburned fuel/air mixture escaping the engine.
Yet some bikes don't do it straight off the showroom.
If (when?!) this bike gets to the US, I hope the possibility to flash the ECU for better, smother, throttle response appears fast; I'm aiming for this bike in a couple if years..
Doesn't Honda actually test the throttle before putting it into production? or is it supposed to be "on and off"?
I re-watched your Kawasaki Z650 video again, and the Z650 seems to win on value: weight, ergo, price, and aftermarket. Which one would you pick?
The Z is a very good bike and so is this and so is the MT07, I think I'd take this over the Z, probably because this is new 🤷♂️
Really well done .that's a cheap Honda for the money .I think its a real good deal
What about a trade in for a 2019 CB650R? I can't decide on whether to do this or not. I love the dash and the power will come in much lower. I also sat on one at a bike show. It was a perfect fit for me.
Yea, I'd trade it for this without hesitation 👍
CB650R feels more planted, a little bit heavier but more premium in my opinion. The 750 is more nimble, and sure more fun in a way as torque is everywhere rather than 650 when you need really high rpms to be happy. Also when you go fast 4cyl will be more thirsty for sure. The choice is yous good luck.
p.s I wouldn't go with the 750 in this comparison because of the looks alone. 650r looks amazing !!!
@@jaygmiata1833 if this hornet had the looks of the 650r
@@stewie90 I would probably buy it :) but the way these 4 tubes come from the engine is amazing , you can't repeat that on a 2 cylinder !
Sounds like perfect seat height for me at 5ft 6
I had a 900 hornet for 5 yrs back in the day, is suspect the 750 is a better bike in every way. I cheated and put a bigger rear sprocket on it too, you had to be careful with wheelieing...
I think the Bike you tested has the best colour scheme. It hides the frame which I think looks awful, especially in gordy raspberry red. I wish they could have hidden the exhaust as I think that looks horrible. Even with the SC project
In a bike shop. I think I would have walked passed it without a second glance. I brought my bike because it looked the bees knees. I just had to have it. I liked everything about it Yamaha MT-07 however over it's evolution I thought with every modification. Which I feel are cosmetic the bike looked even more uglier than the original design. because the Yamaha is quite an old bike and it sold thousands. It's hard to justify it's new price.
I dunno, when I think nakeds there has to be some kind of ephemeral X factor over just "yeah it's a competent machine." Just seems like a typical overly-conservative Honda offering.
Great camera work though!
Exactly why the SV650 holds up so well
I do like the name named after the F-18 super hornet of the U.S. Navy😉 I called our local Honda dealer here in California there’s no word of this coming to the states is it earmarked for the US?
I think Honda is being "tight lipped" about when it will be in the States because they don't know either. They are trying but and this is a big BUT logistics and supply chain management is still a big problem for all OEMs and so I think they are releasing in the smaller markets first so that it does not put stress on their supply chain and then once the supply is "up to speed", it'll go to the States. But the MT07 took some time to get to the States too, so the same is probably happening with the Hornet too.
take care,
Scott
When you will do a suzuki gsx 8s review, it is only bike that is missing?
Yea, I'm curious about this bike too, Suzuki needs a hit badly. As soon as it hits the dealerships, I'll be on one!
take care,
Scott
does it have ABS and does it have cruise control?
yes and no
How is it compare to Tuono 660?
It's not as much fun as the Tuono 😒
Great review as always. The design however, specifically the front, is just terrible. Looks outdated and dull. The CB650R looks way better.
Where is the NT1100 ???????????????/
yea, that's my question too!!!
A snatchy throttle is a big problem to me. It really affects the enjoyment at slower speeds in town. Also, it’s not always an easy fix. Talk to anyone who has a last gen xsr900.
Yea, that was the only thing I could criticize on this bike. Kawasaki, KTM, Triumph, Yamaha, even the Ducati Monster, all got the throttle response correct but Honda couldn't...hmm...my only question is why Honda? Why? A lot of OEMs fix this kind of stuff when you bring the bike in for service and they just call it a "software update" and then the "snatchy" throttle gets smoothed out...mysteriously. I hope Honda does this, soon.
@@NothingToProve I did a test ride on the hornet, first and second gear in around town/low speed is absolute torture, even in rain mode. I did a test ride because the transalp isnt available to demo yet and i wanted to get a feel for the engine, but if the transalp suffers this same horrible on/off throttle in first and second gear it will be a big pass for me.
No Powercommander throttle fix in the US because sadly the Hornet is not for sale here. Why Honda?
Oh, I didn't know that they were not in the States yet!!! Thank you for letting me know. Hopefully they will next year.
take care,
Scott
Do you know if they will sell this bike in the US?
Honda has not made an official announcement as of yet. But rumors are abundant on the internet. So it's anybodies guess.
They will , because $$$ it will sell.@@NothingToProve
I can’t believe nobody has mentioned that you can’t get a centre stand for this bike. The back shock gets zero protection too
Uh, I don't think any of the middleweight nakeds do, except for the BMW 900R. This could be why nobody mentions it.
Could you try the NT1100 ?
Yea, I'd like to, as soon as I can get my hands on one I will.
Cool! I tried it 2 month ago and I'm curious to see your video ;)
Yes I'd be interested too. Particularly compared with the R1250RS and Tiger 900 Gt Pro
is it a 180 degree firing order do you know?
No, it's 270, just like the MT07/790 Duke/900XR...etc.
Would you trade a 2021 MT07 for a 2023 Hornet?
I wouldn't. The money lost in trading is not recouped in the new Hornet. Now older MT07, then I'd give it some thought...2017 or older, then probably yes.
@@NothingToProve I feel the same way. This just lets me know a little bit more about the difference between the bikes.
I believe that it will ride like a dream. Like most Hondas. But do you really like the looks of it? What has happened to Hondas design team? The last beautiful bike was the CB1100EX. They only selling the last models in Japan exclusively. Because the Japanese appreciate a beautiful bike. Here in Europe we get the ugly models. Look at these mirrors, that headlight, the tank...the quality must be great but I wouln’d ride it, even when I get it for free.
*What* was the comment about changing the fuelling?
Mention of Europe *NOT* needing a Power Commander... do something or other??
Just that it's easier to fix in the States because you can just put a power commander on it but you can't in Europe...well you can but have to take it off every two years for emissions test, then put it back on again.
Naked bikes are fun, but how in the heck do people deal with the wind blast at anything over 40-50 mph..I find it very uncomfortable. I am re thinking what I might get next and go for wind protection or a naked bike that cost less and doesn’t go that fast.
Should have windshield mounting
my bike is cb500f 2019 model.....not for a long...in the next three weeks i ama gonna have the new hornet....i can tell you i drive in the highway with 140km and i dont have any problem......easy ....
Suzuki is still making the sv 650 as far as I can tell. Heck, they reinstated the gsx-s750, which could be on that list. Old, but not in the way.
On Nov. 8th 2022 Suzuki officially announced the replacement for the SV650 is the 2023 GSX-8S. So, did they make another official announcement since then to counter that first announcement?
And the 750 was discontinued in 2020.
So it seems like you are a little behind in the news...LOL! Sorry couldn't resist teasing you. 😊
take care,
Scott
P.S. The SV650 is my favorite bike in this class, even for 2023, this is why I have it still in the chart, even though it's not made any more 😢
I thought it was an interesting project, Honda had to look at the competition and also by emissions policies and the market...
Here in Brazil, it was well criticized because the name Hornet is now associated with a 2-cylinder motorcycle, losing the 4-cylinder DNA the snoring of the engine, so much so that we see the old model and the competitor XJ6 used around here costing an absurd price
That bike should´ve been an in line 4 to be called Hornet. I suppose emissions standard killed the thing.
I was interested in this bike untill I saw the local importers ingenious idea to price this ~2000€ more than the competition from Yamaha, Kawasaki etc. Totally ruined the intended market segment for the 750 Hornet around here!
That’s ridiculous! Luckily, here in the UK it undercuts the competition by a minimum of £1,000. They’re selling bucket loads!
@@timparish172 Yeah, your price was one of the reasons why I was interested in the first place! It seemed like crazy good value having all the bells and whistles, but sadly the situation is what it is here. The importer seems to have this idea that if it says Honda on the side, it must be more expensive than the others. Even comparing between Honda models, the price of the Hornet is the same as for the CB650R!
Uh Ho…on off throttle is a deal breaker. Which bike in this class does not have an off on throttle issue if any? Would love to know. That’s the one I will go look at…thanks.
Kawasaki Z650, Triumph Trident, Yamaha MT07, KTM 790 Duke, there's 4 right off the top of my head :)
@@NothingToProve Thanks. First time I have heard the Z650 and the Mt-07 throttles are smooth…not choppy or too on and off or abrupt?
@@dry509 2020 and newer for the Z650, and 2021 and newer for the mt07. older they will be "choppy" unless they've been fixed....like "PowerComander" there are others too.
It’s hideous i wish they had a CBR650R with a 750-800cc inline 4 or triple to compete with the GSXS 750, also wish they had just offered this p twin as an option package in the CBR650R frame. Imagine having 4 option packages with different motors, suspension tweaks, and tires
Where to get seats! Very uncomfortable
So you didn't really give an answer compared to the Mt07.
Yea, looking back now at the video, I really didn't...hmm. I think that's because I really like the CP2 motor in the MT07. It is just so perfect, no other motor in this group comes close to it imho. Perfect torque, perfect power, perfect sound, sure it's less power than this but it's just so good that I don't care about the power difference when the motor is so good. I don't know which I'd take, I guess it'd come down to dealership and price...which one I could get the best deal on at the time...or just take the Triumph Trident...LOL!
take care,
Scott
Why not 17L gas tank? Again. Ez to turn the look and feel to a 500x thats more comfy and more leg room
Or cb500f
Wow software issues
The fuel tank is too small
"2023 Honda CB750 - Still A Hornet?" Duh, NO IT ISN'T! It's a CB750 twin. Honda discontinued the Hornet 600 (599) in 2007 when they completely b'tardized the looks and changed engine completely. The true Hornets are 1998->2006 (inline 4, carb'd). Honda also discontinued the CB900F-2-7 (Hornet 900 (919) - but these are FI) in 2007 yet another story.
That's not to say that the 750 twin isn't a nice bike, but it's not a Hornet. Get rid of that fugly exhaust and forward underswept headlight and tank/radiator side covers and I think it'll start looking alot better. Absolutely, most subjective, but then again, most Limeys like cucumbers (as in cucumber sandwiches).... yuck!
Great presentation review and well produced video.
Too bad not in USA.
Seat very uncomfortable. Just put this engine in the 500x!
8 years in the making just to make it look like a worse cb500
Why can't they ever make a decent sized seat for you to bring your girl with you on an all day ride.
Because they think that we "motorcycle guys" all have Italian Super Models for girl friends
This one doesn't look anywhere near as good as the original Hornet with the round headlight, sculpted tank, and high exhaust. When you show it and the MT-07 the Hornet looks like a blatant knock-off. It's too bad every mfg is doing the "hyper angular" look right now.
Eight years in the making and a front end from the parts bin and a rear end from a cbr500. Fail Honda, fail
congrats Honda you made a boring version of what was a popular sport bike.
I had a 2005 Hornet.... that´s not a Honda CB (Hornet), that´s some kind of Honda CB 7is Sometwinish!!! And it´s dam ugly!!! Sorry.
Agree with you on the looks 😒
sorry but that thing looks boring and dull, sparks 0 emotions in me
yea, me too 😒
poor quality
Poor quality of what, the review, motorcycle? If it’s the motorcycle then I don’t think you know what the word “Quality” means! Watch all the other reviews & everybody is saying what a quality motorcycle it is!!!
Oh, Look.. another generic, boring, ptwin...
It just looks like a bike from 8 years ago.