2023 Honda CB750 Hornet review | The icon returns with twin-cylinder power
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- The new #Honda #Hornet returns for 2023 with an all-new design and engine platform. Launching into the middle weight market it features advanced electronics, aggressive geometry and a punchy delivery.
Is it enough to take the fight to the class leading MT-07? We think so.
What do you think to the all-new Hornet?
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We need more of these "real World" affordable bikes, especially to attract new riders. Well done Honda ! ! Exotica and over 200 bhp is nice, however, reserved for the more fortunate among is. Which is fine for the lucky minority and I wish them well, but it's great and a brave move from one of the best brands in motorcycling.
Speaking for myself I have zero interest in 200 bhp 200 mph, $20,000+ motorcycles. I drive in the real world where I seldom, if ever, go faster than 100 mph. This motorcycle is much more than what I will ever need, or even be likely to use, but that doesn't mean I don't want it.
I am inclined though to think that this is a lot for a new rider. I think both Suzuki and Honda could really use scaled-down versions of these new bikes in the 400 cc class, and those could be better choices, (but still plenty exciting) for new riders.
@@peterwilson8039 Absolutely 👍
Do we really though
@@peterwilson8039 affirmative captain.
Unless the intent is to take a 200hp sportsbike to the track, which most don't, it's just a massive waste to buy for public roads. And if someone is going to squid on a machine like that they deserve to be behind bars.
Good to hear Honda have given the bike a performance edge rather than just turning out another trundler.
got to love that exhaust, it seems that manufacturers are overlooking the exhaust note nowadays, just shove in an exhaust that gets you an euro certification and it's job done, while most sport cars still have good exhaust sound, but this bike sounds good
I would like to see how this Twin matches up to the Triumph Triple from the 660 Tiger Sport.
Good review, as always, Toad👍Great to hear about the engine & exhaust, as I’ve already ordered the Transalp😊
glad you like - I'm looking forward to the Transalp launch now - stay tuned!
Really comprehensive review. Good one Toad.
Can. Not. Wait. for this to arrive in the US.. Thx Toad for another good quick review.
Best as usual Toad......love your reviews.
I was going to buy a CB500F but this costs little more. I was surprised to hear the 500 described as "wollowy". I heard that its suspension had been perfected with 41mm shocks in 2022.
Despite the exhaust not looking good and would probably be replaced by a more refined aftermarket muffler in my hands, this one does sound that much better than my cb500f.
Would swap bike for a cbr750r, or cbr500r 270°.
Are the gears shorter than on the 650 here?
Great review, Toad! Pretty outstanding bike. Like a lot of Honda product, the design is mature and more subtle, which will keep it fresh much longer than the confused mech look on so many bikes in this category. The tires (and gas mileage) should've been mentioned, surely contributing to the overall riding experience. I have two bikes with MR5s in them, and they are incredibly good in all conditions (and last long!). And the narrower rear tire was - so Honda-like - deemed to be a better choice for handling, testosterone inclinations be damned. Good for Honda! When this is benched against its awesome competitors, including the new 8S, it will be interesting to see where it lands. It'll probably come down to what kind of riding YOU like. How awesome is that for us?!
Because of the nature of the launch, you ride flat out and don't get to re-fuel them yourself, we can only go by the dash fir economy. I was around 45mpg by the end of the day. We'll wait for a UK road test for a more comprehensive figure.
Okay that was a good review. Was quite surprised with how good that exhaust sounded as well. As soon as they’re in stock at our local Honda dealership that’s one bike I’d like to give a go at.
The exhaust note is really very nice. It's good to see a manufacturer actively working on making bikes sound nice out of the tail pipe. Triumph, Honda, Aprilia, all seem to quite good at that right now.
I want to see it compared to the new Suzuki and the Mt07, I am curious how the low end pull compares.
Hi! Is the brake lever radially or axially mounted? I'm way to stoked to receive my unit, should get here between january and march
I still prefer the look of the original hornet, but I'm sure the bike will be fun.
Nice review. Seems decent & the price is great but it looks a bit budget & not very exciting imo. Although I will reserve judgement until I actually see/ride one. Also very interested to see how the GSX8S compares in due course too.
Seems like a great value but I would have liked to see this with the Neo-Cafe like the CBx00R series. This styling seems very dated to my eye, but that's about the only thing I don't like about this. Excited for the adv version too!
Well it is supposed to be budget, fun on a budget that does everything. I think it lives up to the hornet name well.
@@paintup46 Maybe but it doesn't have to look identical to a CB500.
@@ragerider6283 i agree
Completely agree, after seeing both today at motorcycle live il, the gsx8s definitely looked like the more premium product, the Honda looked very budget, it looks like a 300cc, the swingarm and rear wheel way,
The frame/panels and component like levers were much nicer on the Suzuki,
Love the look of it.
why the Exhaust is so big? can it be replace with small one? like in the Kawa z650
I wonder what the actual torque and power potential is going to be from this motor x it certainly designed for high revs
The look especially the front end, is really growing on me
If Honda would just change the headlight to something better looking , I think the bike would be more palatable to look at & tempted more people to get one instead of its rivals truthfully speaking.
Love the look of it. I’m getting bored with the retro look now it will be nice to ride something that looks different.
"different" looks almost 1:1 like my 2018 cb500f, with the forks, swingarm, brakes and headlight layout like the current cbf.
Even the taillight looks alot like that of the old cb650f
I meant different from current trend for retro look bikes.
@@ianleaver4967 I mean almost all bikes you can buy have a non retro counterpart usually from the same company even.
It doesn't look a patch on the f6 05-06 model. The one flashed up in the graphic sketch. That didn't have a retro vibe, so much as look traditional with a twist.
Imo the angularity, especially the headlight, looks cheap.
All these modern angular bikes look a bit too anorexic, but when you see an f6 it looks squat, staunch, and perfectly proportion.
Ultimately beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and it's the biggest turn-off on this bike for me.
Cb1000r should be redesigned too. Cafe racers design look mehhh and in the past
Good review thanks for going a bit deeper on the engine.
Seems like a fun bike but not enough to retire my Hornet 900. That I4 is just.. something. and it buzzes like an insect until you take it to 6-7k when the buttery warp drive hits. Maybe next time Honda.
Same for me with the f6 Hornet, I so seriously wish they'd produced the 900 with the 600's styling for that year. Slightly unround headlight, lovely dash, exhaust that fills that void between fat 180-section rear tyre and seat unit, and Australian forks.
It's the quintessential modern classic bike for me, in the looks department, and not some anorexic cheek boned cheap mess they turned the Hornet into in '07.
The IL4 was a peach too, no IL2 is ever gonna be a substitute, regardless of crank.
10:38 That's the dash theme I'd have. Only, I wouldn't want the bike.
Good review.
What about the quirky protrusion in the middle of the oil pan? I’ve noticed that on previous Honda engines but protected by frame rails rather than just exhaust pipes. My Yamaha XSR700 has already kicked up a rock and broken it’s flat oil pan in 18K so it can happen. And if it’s noticeably vulnerable on the Hornet is it a great idea on the TransAlp? I’m thinking not 🤔
But you can fit a bash plate to the transalp
Like my Yamaha, both the Hornet and the TransAlp have no attachment point on the frame lower than the centerline of the engine. By the time you build a bash plate big enough to reach a solid mounting point you’ve got a coal bucket. An ounce of good original design (flat pan) could save several pounds of cure.
@@martymiller4300 which just emphasise that it's a road bike with big wheels
I have the Hornet from 2010 600cc 4 cylinder. Glorious engine and box. I certainly don’t want a parallel twin thanks.
My question is: Is the best bike for a beginner rider? I drive a honda pcx for 4 years now, and its my only experience around bikes. Im taking my drivers license for bigger bikes, and im in love with the new hornet. What's your opinion on this? Should i get this one, or go for a lower CC bike?
I like it . For some reason it reminds me of the early Street Triple - light, flickable and just enough power.
the 500's 48hp is also more than enough
@@Daniel-dj7fh - For a learner.....
@@ThermicLight You're just compensating if you really think that you need more than that.
@@Daniel-dj7fh - Insecure much? Lol
Technically daniel you don't even need a motorbike and could cycle everywhere instead. 🤗
@@ThermicLight Some people need to pay bills, and riding a bicycle >30km per trip is just a waste of time.
And If I'm the insecure one with 48hp, how insecure must you be to need more lmao.
Does it wheelie easy?
I have a 2015 NC700X and even that motor and its tranny are really smooth and nice at half the horsepower so this engine in the 750 must be very nice - wheelbase could be a tad longer to make it more comfy on longer rides but it'll do - I do like the NC's 6 inch travel front and rear here in New England where the roads get trashed by frost in the winter
awesome amazing ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Looks like good value for money. Just a pity it looks like a 300cc commuter. I need a motorcycle’s looks to tug at the heart strings…just my opinion though. I’m sure it’ll be a dream for some
You hit on the head. Looks terrible..MT better
I don't like the engine bolts yuk
This will be a favourite with new riders.
Thinking about it... If you compare this CB750 with MT07 or other models/brands... The specs, tech, and reliability... Which one is the best...???
this is the more advanced bike for sure,every other model is a couple of years old already
The main man
I liked the front windshield
Looks fun, reasonable value too.
Unfortunately at just over 6ft that seat height is too low, and the pegs are way too high for me so the resultant leg bend isn't compatible with my 50 something knees and back. Shame. Makes this bike a non starter for me.
I'm looking forward to this engine in the Transalp, though I wish there was a version with road oriented wheels and tyres.
i hope they make like a Rebel750 or something more relaxed
I'm 6.2, and low seat height is a deal breaker. think I will buy BMW f900r with a high seat of 865mm. bmw gives 3years warranty here in UK, and the seat position is slightly leaned forward, which is good for my lower back. of course, is slightly more expensive but it's not a massive difference
Was sitting on this new hornet and new yamaha mt07 and new suzuki 8S at NEC motorshow in UK and I'm 175cm (5.7ft) and I feel most comfortable on hornet. What I would like is that rear tyre is like on yamaha (would be much better looking) and that front forks and frame on yellow bike is in red colour (same like on black and white bike) or just front forks in black like the frame...that silver front forks don't suits me on yellow bike...and to be honest that yellow color in person is waaay better looking than black and white for me.
You should be able to fit atleast a 170 in the rear, I think there are no informations on how wide the rim is sadly but we might even be able to fit a 180 if it's 5.5''. Ofc only if the Frame allows it lol
It's great if we can replace that bland-looking swingarm as well
Does this replace the NC series?
I don't think so, completely different bike category. I'd be sussing that the 500 or 650 will go.
Hermosa! 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👌🏻🍾🥂
theres yamaha with the yzf r7, so the cbr750rr rumor are true?
I haven't heard of this but I hope ouf.
The only thing I'd want more than a 270° on my cb500f (of which I'd swap to the cbr if it comes) is a small inline4 like the zx4r. Next best thing would be a 750r, or the 650r
There is a Duke hidden somewhere in there that does not weep :)
The price point says, it's probably assembled in Thailand ??
imagine it looked as good as the CB650R... regardless how good this bike is, its a huge step back in terms of looks.
I´d wanna see short symmetric exhausts on each side plus an original headlight, either round or more like the z650
i thought the drive modes can modify the abs?
You can't tweak the ABS in any of the modes, it's always on. The drive modes only adjust the TC, engine braking, and power delivery. There is no option to turn it off.
I want one
Styling to me looks very similar to the CB650F
Stability control was mandated 2012 all cars. KTM, Ducati offer stability control with IMu on practically all their bikes. I am sure it will be mandated soon as it could ave lives. Honda could have included IMu as they manufacture 20 million bikes/year
Is this better than Tuono 660?
Stability control with IMu?
Nope, 2-channel ABS. TC and wheelie control - not IMU controlled
"the wheelie control is integrated into the IMU traction control." I don't understand. Can it wheelie or not?
Yes... should do on lowest TC control setting... or turn it off
Honda need to update their accessory brochure to include the 750.
They also need to update there Bluetooth app so it works with ios
Riders with long legs might be looking at aftermarket seats for more leg room & because seats on naked bikes are almost always crap.
any word if the Hornet will make it to the US?
It better
so is it goodbye inline fours then?
The MT-07 was the death knell for four-cylinder bikes in the middleweight range.
@@peterwilson8039 thanks I didn't know that. It just feels wrong that this "CB750 Hornet" lacks the original bike's I4 engine configuration but copies its external styling cues. They should have called it something else.
Underbelly exhaust would have made this bike look better
I think I heard jerky throttles can be fixed by telling the ECU to disable decel fuel cutoff
but that's what you want when decelerating no?
@@Daniel-dj7fh modern engines with strict emissions turn off fuel completely when you let off the throttle. This causes the bike to dive forward, (more noticeable on engines with high engine braking) and then when you reapply the throttle, jerks the bike forward. In low speed situations when you're on/off/on/off throttle this is a pain.
Disabling decel fuel cutoff lets you use a small amount of fuel to idle the engine. Makes low speed and transitional maneuvers better
I have a 2020 CB500 and when I asked Booster Plug why they don't sell one for my model they said this: "On the CB 500 series, Honda decided to integrate the AIT sensor (Where the Booster Plug is connected) with several other sensors in the throttle valve housing - and we can not isolate the AIT sensor signal." I guess they will do the same for the Hornet, or not...
This is correct for a lot of bikes. Definitely with the Yamaha MT09 and MT03 / R3. I had it disabled on my MT09 and it made the on/off transition much smoother. Not quite as smooth as a carb'd bike, but close enough. On my R3 it would have been a waste of money on a cheap bike to pay several hundred for a flash so I lived with it until it annoyed me so much I sold the bike. I bought it for pure commuting, and the on/off throttle made it horrid for that purpose.
I like it pretty well but the low seat/high-ish peg configuration is a deal killer, that crap need to be reserved for sport bikes. The best thing about regular naked bikes is the superior comfort level but wadded up legs and ridiculous knee bend is stupid.
It is sporty in the leg, but not cramped. One journo on the launch is over 6 foot 6 and he managed all day without any complaint.
Would've looked so much better with a round headlight
20 years ago, maybe 😁
The Honda CB650R is more alike to a Hornet with it's inline 4 than what this bike is
It has low end torque despite being over-square because the engine is quite large. It's not a 650 like many of its rivals.
Also SOHC engines usually have more low-end torque as well
Honda is fantastice
Please compare it to the Benelli Leoncino 800 🙏🏻
If there was a word which would describe Honda it would be "parcour".
They now have 3 midweight bikes, the 180° parallel 500cc, the twin 270° 750cc and the conventional inline4 650cc.
And why does the Honda Grom get 90° valves, and this doesn't.
Which makes me wonder if they're planning on killing the 500 (because the 300 is also a thing) or 650.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I think the 650 will be dropped, not a great seller
Why couldn’t they just put the round cb650r headlight on this! That pointed beak headlight is atrocious
Too bad it doesn't resemble the original Hornet, which was one of the best looking naked bikes of its era.
One day ride in Spain wouldn't normally carry much weight to me. However, this is Toad and tells it like he feels it.
But previous model and th cb600f pc41 it was the best cb hornet ever made
I've been considering an Mt07 and have now looked at this Honda and the new SUZUKI 800 but really they still don't cut it in my mind, too heavy and bigger isn't always better, I have big bikes smaller an manageable is were the fun is, still prefer the Yamaha.
Gonna assume with these updates that the 2024 MT07 will have to match what the honda and suzuki are offering if they don't want to be left behind. I'm going for an Aprilia RS660 personally for a road bike. I like my MT07 but I'm looking for something a little more upspec with modern electronics.
the 50cc extra you're getting here is not really worth mentioning weight wise. Especially considering that you're getting +20hp or so.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I have an Aprilia mille and that weighs the same as the Honda and suzuki, I've found over the years that I've enjoyed the lighter bikes best, I had an fzr600 and up graded to an exup 1000 but the 600 was far more fun.
6kg is that much of a difference?
@@gsm_liv8980 it looks like 10kg reading about it but I was thinking it was 200kg not 190kg, but that's probably dry weight, my aprilia mille is 185kg dry, it is heavy on fuel and tyres tho. Way better on torque and looks, I'll just keep riding that now it has high bars.
Would be nice to actually hear you riding it.
100hp ??
I am 6 feet tall, inside leg 34 in and ride a cb500f ( which I now call a mini Hornet ), very comfortably - I was considering upgrading to the Hornet but having just sat on one at Motorcycle live at th NEC , I would find it cramped - my foot was constantly on the rear brake, so unfortunately it won't be for me - I'm gutted plus the headlight is just so ugly and cheap
Adjust the rear brake.
@@waynerobertson511 shame they don't offer a different seat high. I don't need to sit on it to know that 795 is too low for my 6.2 frame. I wanted a honda for reliability but will take a BMW f900r. can't go wrong with 3 year's warranty they offer in UK
Nice review but the bike itself? Ugliest in the class?
Hmmm, an interesting point, not sure I agree though...
I miss the four cylinders
Honda CB750 Hornet or Honda CB650R
Which one is better?
Very different bikes, one is an inline 4 and the other is a parallel twin. If you want lower rev power the hornet is better and if you want the high rev pull the 650r is better.
Looks like the average cheap and boring 250-300cc naked bike. Maybe with a 180 rear tire and a front end they put effort in, this bike could've been really interesting.
I've actually got a cb500f which looks almost identical and I can tell you that it's defo not cheap feeling.
And still looks spanking despite being a design from 2016
I do agree with it needing a fatter rear tire tho. If you got a new one with the ups forks, other than the 160 rear tire you have pretty much bike which looks like a big bike.
The last real hornet was the PC41.
go buy one if you want it
@@Daniel-dj7fh Already have one.
I don’t understand how you can go through corners so fast ☹️
The Suzuki GSX 8S is 200 kilos, and has less power. And then there's the price of the Honda to beat. The Suzuki looks way better though!
Pretty disappointing when the old hornet makes 101hp, albeit higher in the rev range but there is no reason they couldn't have made that power from this engine.
Would of been nice if it had a 180 rear tyre
or at least a 170, with legal papers allowing 180's
@@Daniel-dj7fh Why, if the bike handles well, there isn't a reason for a wider tire,
@@flexywing stance. It wil look like a bycicle
@@gut45 Thats absolute bs, nobody calls the Sv650 or z650 Bycicles for having 160 rears.
You will be able to add atleast a 170 also wider tires are worse for handling.
I'd say that the CB650R is the true Hornet...
Japanese non-adjustable suspension = set up for riders from 100-130 lbs.....
I might be the only one, but I find these parallel twins sound outright horrible.
A bit of a wolf in sheeps clothing then (I'm talking about the bike 😁)
Now Honda just needs to bring out a CB750R
HP is more like 90hp than 100, but still…
You could have rode a CB500F and I wouldn't have noticed😂
The cooler is bigger, the fairings front of the tank are pulled more forward and the midpipe is different.
I also only know this because I ride a cb500f lol, but the older one with the rsu forks :(
@@Daniel-dj7fh The tank is a bit more angular too. Would you consider moving up to this or you happy with the 500? I have a 500 too and am pretty happy with it. I don't like the sound of the jerky throttle tbh.
@@Daniel-dj7fh Yup, but they are too similar in my opinion... should have done like Yamaha, in which you can clearly see the differences between models...
@@josephmichael4219 I am sure the rider would notice, 91 bhp v 47 bhp
The same can be said for the CB650 and CB1000. But apparently that the 500 and 750 look similar is blasphemy 🤔🙃
Mt 07 killer is here!
It better be. Mt07 was released in 2014... i would be disappointed otherwise.
@@trailrider1980 Yamaha had enough time to drop the price on the mt or improve it enough to make it worth the money in the past years. Like an sp-model.
Ans with the 10k price tag in Germany for one of those they're losing really hard imo.
@@Daniel-dj7fh with no competition there is little incentive for a company to improve the product or lower its price. Once sales plummet they will do something which i hope. Worst case scenario would be for sales to remain the same for mt07. I just got a 2019 mt07 and i am coming from a gsxs1000 and mt09. Mt07 is a great bike.
@@trailrider1980 You're acting as if Kawasaki's 400 isn't a competition. Now with Benelli's cp2 500's and cf moto coming in the market it's just becoming more difficult for Honda there.
@@trailrider1980 I was thinking about the cb500 sorry.
With the mt07 you have the trident, the duke790/890, the cbr650's aprillia's 660 bikes and all that, even tighter market.
Seat height too low, leg bend looks cramped as hell, new Suzuki has better seat height and quickshifter as standard. I'll wait for the joint test.
I have the same observation. I think the Suzuki ia a better value. Probably more expensive then the Hornet, but it will be less regretful to own.
I’d wager the Suzy will be a grand more expensive.
Seat height is perfect for me, being a short arse.
@@nigelfisher3756 possibly so, but how much is the quickshifter to buy for the Honda - probably a good few hundred quid. I can almost rule the Honda out now based on the ergos alone. Suzuki must be realistic with the price - look at the price of new MT09 and KTM 890 duke on Autotrader in the UK, if they go stupid with the price they will find themselves in the same price range as much higher performance bikes.
I think seat height is an easier mod than changing the barends.
Cruse control ???
Nope,.2channel ABS, riding modes (inc user) option to add a Q/S, traction control and wheelie control - integrated into the T/C
TBH Hornet 200 looks waaaay better.🥴🥴🥴
I'm sure the bike rides well.... however it is a fugly CB750 TWIN, not a Hornet.
If it's cramped for a 5'7" guy, it would be a catastrophe for a 6'2" guy, no?😬
WE LIKE IT !!!!!
;-))
They made a mistake, they will lose all the current Hornet riders..not wanting to compete with mt 07 with a costly new product they crippled the Good old 4 cyl Hornet, and left it with only 2 cylinders, that's sad 😭, very soon 4 cylinders bikes will be rare, no Hornet rider will buy a new 2 cyl bike.
Hate the twin, hate all those electronics, hate the colors, hate the sound...rather buy a 20yr old inline 4 used instead of spending on that new
Crack on and buy a used bike then. We hope you have fun!
I've got one for sale if you're interested.
two thumbs down for less leg room and more crunched legs. Why not keep it like the 500x ! NO point. leave it flexible; adjusttble like Kawasaki does; move the pegs down; and seat up !
Come on Kawasaki, the original Z650 was made to take on the CB750. This Honda is a 4, not a twin. Oh dear.
Toad… the Hornet or Z900???? Regulars need to know!