Why Did Christianity Evolve And Spread? Why Countries Became Christian? Was The Resurrection True?
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- Did Christianity spread because the resurrection claim was so convincing or were there other historical factors?
If you would like to read a novel about what I think the Apocalypse would be like if Christ ever returned (a tale the fundamentalist will despise) click the link below. And may God bless you---just not the God that floods an entire world.
THE SECOND FALL. By Charles Hurst
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Most Christians who believe strongly in Christianity do so because they were raised that way. If they had been raised Muslim or Jewish or Buddhist, they would feel just as strongly committed to those beliefs. Most people don't think deeply, they just keep believing what they were taught as children.
I have a video in the future addressing exactly that--cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist I'll take a look. I was taught about Jesus and Santa Claus as a kid. Later they told me Santa didn't exist. I was disappointed because I thought there was a lot more evidence for the existence of Santa Claus than Jesus.
Exactly, geography and lack of education plays a huge part
Most people are indoctrinated idiots, that's what it is
You know nothing friend. Just your prejudices. Plenty of us did not become Christians till later.atheism is based on ignorance
Christianity should just come clean and call a myth a myth. And acknowledge the church is a business.
Some churches are and some are legit. Trust me when I tell you little country churches are far from a business. I go to one.
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr Doesn't matter, they still spread bs beliefs
@@FactStorm I promise you will change your mind someday.
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr Yawns..very predictable cop out by a fanatical & unintelligent religious cult member. It's just another form of Pascal's Wager. You have nothing to substantiate your cult's dogma so you opt to flee: this is CLASSIC behavior by a religious person.
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr Ah yes, the old 'compel faith by appealing to the untestable, unproven and unfalsifiable threat of eternal damnation! In what other sphere of life do you blindly accept as true that which is untestable, unproven and unfalsifiable? If you actually posit an answer other than 'none', then I submit you're either in denial or you're a gullible sap, and in both cases, it reflects an irrational mindset. You think about that, carefully and critically, and then respond in kind. For now, cheers!
I was christian for 56 years, then I researched and became an Atheist and it's wonderful. Praise Thor.
What was it specifically that changed your mind. Usually people have some kind of traumatic experience that changes their world views whether it’s religion or otherwise.
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7drmost people who leave don’t leave because of a trauma, altho they probably experienced one at some point in their religion
In my case and many others, being exposed to actual data and realizing you’ve been lied to has been enough
@@gagnepower What data are you speaking of?
@@gagnepower Are you certain it’s data driven, or you just wanted a reason to depart?
Praise Quetzlcoatl and praise Winnie the Pooh!
Had it not been for Constantine, there is a good chance Christianity would have died out in antiquity, forgotten and buried in the sands of time, known only to scholars of antiquity.
It's not Constantine that caused Christianity to spread, it was the era of colonialism.
If it had not been for Constantine, Rome would have stayed as the seat of Rome, and the Roman Empire wouldn't have collapsed. But he went and did something stupid and founded Constantinople as the seat of Rome. That was the beginnning of the end for Rome.
Paul started it.
Possibly--that's what some of the Christian commenters aren't getting--I'm not saying he end all be all was responsible for Christianity but he certainly pulled a giant lever. Cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist that's around the time Christianity gained political power for the first time, and for the first time, Christianity in some form could coerce people into joining, staying in, and tithing. Look at Catholicism in medieval times.
Every single state that went from Christianity to secular has seen a decline in Christianity.
It’s amazing what happens when you don’t have the threat of the state forcing the masses to believe something
Like when Lenin took over the Soviet Union?
@@davidlittlewood4215 or England, or France, or the United States or you know, the many of the other examples of nations that chose to just simply be secular and not those who force it on the masses.
Though the same idea can be applied for communism in Russia.
I’m going to guess the number of communists in Russia declined dramatically after the state stopped forcing people to be communists.
It’s almost as if the moral of the story is: extremist who use state power to force their ideologies on the masses and those that don’t comply face the wrath of the state are assholes and societies should avoid giving these types of assholes political power 🤷♂️
@@ufpride83you obviously know nothing of history.
@@davidlittlewood4215which history should I study? The decline of Christianity throughout US history? The decline of Christianity in England after they separated Church and state?
What about the history of cultures who saw a decline in Islam when Islam lost its political influence and power over the state?
Come back when you’re able to articulate an actual response that refutes what’ I said and not some lazy ad hominem attack that says nothing
@@ufpride83Christianity today is spreading and growing throughout the world. Just because there are less professing ‘Christian’s’ in the US doesn’t make that true for the rest of the world. The problem is people like you living in a bubble. I have been to countries where Christianity is spreading like wildfire
"What's the message of the church? It's 'believe in me or burn in hell!' " Manis Friedman
Nonsense.
Where does the belief that denial of intellectual assent to any proposition would cause a God (who knows quantum and astrophysics and made 92% of creation, life-sustaining and for the enjoyment of his creation) to harm people eternally?
Who goes to hell? Only the people so full of arrogance and pride and self that you would find them hell to be around.
Ok. Let's say hell is a myth which is based on the neurological phenomenon of NDE's caused by hypoxic neurons. 8 to 18% are "hellish."
Time passes differently during a NDE, with seconds being experienced as minutes or hours.
Viable electrically active neurons can be harvested from the chilled-down brains of those who have been sent for autopsy 9 hours after clinical death.
Do the math. 9 hours is 60x60x9 seconds. If each second is experienced as a minute, or each 10 minutes as a day, you will be in a brain state you cannot choose to awaken from, telling yourself over and over for months to years, "This is a brain hallucination. Soon my neurons will stop firing and thus will stop."
I encourage you to read the stories of "souls" in hell, written by those who are not profiting by book sales,, and how they managed to escape from hell.
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Good luck with that.
And Habad's message is any different?
"Why Did Christianity Evolve And Spread?"
That's easy, it was when Constantine converted and gave state level resources into building up the religion.
Everyone is an atheist. For some its not believing in any gods but one. Its the rational who just dont believe in any at all.
Christianity spread by force, and it evolved to fit different cultures because it's own ideas were mediocre.
I suspect Christianity will continue to decline, particularly in the West, but there will always be some people who will cling to it because they want to believe in an afterlife.
They can still believe in an afterlife. Buddhists believe in an afterlife. I always found it odd that Christians think they have a monopoly on afterlife beliefs.
The flat earthers never entirely disappeared; that may happen to Christianity in the West and should also highlight how things come back to fester in the simpleminded. . . The current rise of flat earth (whatever they call themselves) enthusiasts will likely be very limited and brief. Who knows, I always laughed my ass off at the movie Idiocracy, as absurd satire. It doesn't have the same feel today.
@aubreyleonae4108 your simple minded defense of your intelligence coming from a nonintelligent first cause is what is hilarious !!!
I agree men’s souls are being tested very strongly in the last days, it’s understandable that god would use ways to truly decide what is in our hearts, it’s the only religion other later religions mention in there books, but we know how easy it is for man to simply make something up and say that’s gods last word, this is the ultimate test of faith, truly I say a Muslim who finds Jesus Christ, is rewarded exactly the same as the humbly repentant! It’s only a fool who doesn’t comprehend what? he can achieve there is no limitations on his ways, he knew everything you would do before you were born and he still called you! If you don’t understand that what was known about you was also known about his word in his book, what exists today if changed should be respected by mankind as his will, the reason why only he truly knows, but I respect it as a test to show people yet to grow wise in their spirituality, the true magnitude of god’s unlimited power and wisdom, and if you still can’t get past the simple fallacy that man couldn’t except Jesus Christ so they simply claimed that god gave one last final word because the detailed information of gods life when he came to earth was somehow not the original story yet his friends and family demanded it to be the truth! Why would they lie? If it was so important? And who can change the bible today? It’s not a simple process to make changes! it would have to be recorded after some proof came to light? And accepted by the whole world to change all existing books 👀 So before anyone should believe that fallacy of unreliability? They must have recorded evidence, but no difference between any existing books is worthy of importance, giving no value to all arguments, so it should now come down to a man’s understanding of logic so we should part with this?
If my worst foes told you that you can find me 100 miles south! but ALL my friends and family tell you I’m a mile north! what way do you go??
@@ROCK-PETERAl religion is man made mythology. Interesting to read as literature or a narrative of the person or people writing it. Just like reading the Illiad and the Odesy.
In fact the first 300 years of the Christian belief had a very diversified set of beliefs, the reason there was a council was to settle doctrinal disagreements and arrive at a consensus to attempt to bring an end to the violent conflict between the various factions of the movement. The Orthodox position won the political struggle, and they did so by eliminating any and all competition by violent methods.
They won until Constantine's son became and Arian and made it the official cult
Awesome vid. But this also means we need to watch out for extremist Christian groups desperately trying to codify their beliefs into law to stay relevant (looking at you, Texas, Louisiana, and Oklahoma).
Keep those eyes open!
I made a video in my first few months addressing them as dangerous if they ever gained power. Because they have done it before. cheers, DCF
Awesome video? You need some history lessons if you believe it. U
Ed’s you are so prejudiced you believe anything
@@debunkingthefundamentalistI supposed the atheists who gained power under Lenin weren’t dangerous? They only murdered 100 million peopke after all!
With the fear of death it was and is a false comfort blanket. Most effective con job.
Any religion will spread and become very successful when the most powerful Empire at the time is practicing that particular religion, especially when the Empire continues to expand its influence around the world. That's how all religions successfully spread and Christianity is no exception. And then of course you will have each successive generation growing up being taught these things as truth and they continue to pass it down the generations. And let's not forget how Empires conquer other lands and force convert people under penalty of death which is something that Christianity has been notorious for. Even Jesus gave a parable for how this should be done.
I think we are at the very beginning of the end of Christianity .
dont tell the rapture people that
Jesus said most would reject the message. If the majority believed in it then the Bible would be false.
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr The bible is already false. Jesus made many predictions about the end times that never occurred.
@@GuitarDog_atx Like what?
@@Shaqoneil81-ci7dr
Next you are going to say that your god doesn't endorse genocide and slavery
Matt 10:23: [Jesus said to his disciples] ‘When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next; **for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel, before the Son of man comes’.** (They fled through the towns but the Son of Man never came)
Matt 16:28: [Jesus said to the disciples], ‘Truly, I say to you, **there are some standing here** who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom’.
Mark 9:1: And he [Jesus] said to them [the disciples], ‘Truly, I say to you, **there are some standing here** who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power’.
Mark 13:30: [After detailing events up to end of world, Jesus says] ‘Truly, I say to you, **this generation will not pass away** before all these things take place’.
Mark 14:62: And Jesus said **[to the high priest - died 1st cent. AD]** ‘You will see the Son of man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven’. (The high priest died and never saw the Son of Man)
Rom 13:12: The day is at hand.
1 Cor 7:29: The appointed time has grown very short; from now on, let those who have wives live as though they had none. (Funny thing to say if you didn’t think the end was imminent)
1 Cor 7:31: For the form of this world is passing away.
Phil 4:5: The Lord is coming soon.
1 Thess 4:15: We who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord.
Hebrews 1:2: In these last days he has spoken to us by a Son.
Hebrews 10:37: For yet a little while, and the coming one shall come and shall not tarry.
James 5:8: The coming of the Lord is at hand.
1 Peter 1:20: He [Christ] was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times.
1 Peter 4:7: The end of all things is at hand.
1 John 2:18: It is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming.
Rev 1:1: The revelation of Jesus Christ (i.e., the end of the world)…to show to his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 3:11: [Jesus said] ‘I am coming soon’.
Rev 22:6: And the Lord…has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 22:20: [Jesus said] ‘Surely I am coming soon’.
Even islam right now is selfimploding considering that people facing death penalties for questioning or even leaving islam and according to ex-muslims internet is being a major influence in that.
You're doing important work. Great job!
Thanks much Becca---I ain't going anywhere--cheers, DCF
Which symbol would have presented christianity if Jesus had his head chopped off with a roman battle axe?
If Jesus had been hung, the symbol of Christianity would have been a noose. Strange how Christians symbolize their religion with the murder weapon.
@@philipgrobler7253 The fasces?
@@gmansard641 I guess so, or the battle axe, or a headless body, a head and axe on a chain, ROFLMAO!!!
Good video!
Yeah it appears that the persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire seem to be very localized and sporadic. There was a decade-long persecution of the Christians but that was in the 4th century CE.
I read back and forth on how much. There were the Neros and there were the mobs. But making it the state religion certainly gave it a foundation. Cheers, DCF
Gonna dispute the notion that christianity was 'persecuted' in the centuries before Constantine and Nicea. There were persecutions, but they were very intermittent and the only ones of major significance were those under Nero and Diocletian... Christians were persecuted for no more than a decade total in the three centuries befgore |Nicea.
bingo. the religion of Witchcraft was persecuted by christians and for longer!
Syracuse was founded under Greek Rule Greco Roman continued and the new Testament was written in Greek,
You are making some good points since they did chase most people living in Israel out in 70ad
@@thinkIndependent2024 Well....Simon Bar Kokhbar 135 seems to have been the last Jewish uprising. But 70 was when the heart was torn out of Israel with the destruction of the temple...
Who started persecuting Jews before they began the wholesale destruction of those other Christians opposing the Nicene crede ? Well, look, the answer right there in the question like that.
Most stories of martyrdom were random instances of mob violence rather than official policy.
Reading some of these comments from triggered Christians makes me so glad to be free of the Christian delusions that so many are still trapped within. It took me 27 years to free myself from it and it feels good to be out and all of the threats of hell couldn’t get me back in. Especially since that’s all the Christian can throw at you.
Reading some of the ignorant atheist delusions and their distortions of history makes me glad I know the truth. I came to know the love of Christ 55 years ago and all my research and knowledge has only deepened and convinced me of its truth.
@@davidlittlewood4215 right. Xtians have never distorted history, have they? Only their entire religion is based on historical distortions and outright falsehoods.
@@dayofthejackylyou obviously know nothing of the historical origins of Christianity - the fact Jesus rose from the dead. Do some research instead of replying on pre-conceived prejudices.
@@davidlittlewood4215 “dO sOmE rEsEaRcH” I swear as soon as you hear someone say that, you know you are talking to a 🤡. No, your favorite ancient street magician never “rose from the dead” and if you dared to take your own advice about “research” you would discover the truth about your 🧟♂️religion.
@@dayofthejackylas I say, do some research. You are talking from a state of complete ignorance. Like most atheists you shoot your mouth off at things you know nothing about.
Thanks for watching. If you would like to embark on what I think Yeshua would be like during his apocalypse check out the offbeat Armageddon, THE SECOND FALL. Will offend a few, and maybe a few more.
www.amazon.com/SECOND-FALL-Charles-Hurst/dp/B08RR9SJFM
Interesting video. But I'm afraid that there were a lot of claims in this video that wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. With that being said, what does the spread of a religion have to do with its truth claims... 🤔?
As a Christian, I've never heard that argument, nor does the Bible make that argument. So I'm confused as to how one affects the other.
Thanks!
You will again be parading your unfounded prejudices to the prejudiced
It didn't demand much from the public and its spirituality was simple, just believe ( and tithe). No circumcision, ritual baths, complex ritual laws.. Almost everything was done for the believer. The Saul/Paul guy hijacked the religion and the public with his message. He never met Jesus; he was a channeler, a diviner and rearranged old passages to suit his message.
I'm getting more and more into Paul and really seeing him as a Joseph type more than anything else. Cheers, DCF
You are a great simpleton, if you believe that, and you know nothing. Don’t you realise what Paul gave up for the gospel and how much he suffered? For goodness sake, do a bit of research before you speak
More people have left the church in last 25 years than all new people who became Christians from the First Great Awakening, Second Great Awakening, Billy Graham crusades combined
- from “The Great Dechurching” Davis and Graham (2 pastors) who hired research group
Is The Great Dechurching you mentioned a book, an online article, an accessible podcast, or something else? Where could I review that resource? The findings would be enlightening and intriguing. Thanks in advance if you choose to respond, Cheers!
Incidentally, gorgeous looking pup 😊.
@@LuisGonzalez-oy3ku Thanks. That's Sam. He's (i think) a Jack Russel/weenie -dog mix.
That's a book. I saw it while watching xtian TV. You can learn a lot by listening in on their conversations.
@@GuitarDog_atx He's very handsome. And thanks for the resource clarification.
I’m not a pagan, but you do realize that there are so many things wrong with your video
Slavery was a huge Avenue on how it spread. Not to mention the crusades and inquisitions
That was not real Christianity. That had nothing to do with what Jesus preached.
Ephesians 6 1
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
I guess the Bible is unchristian
@@UltraVioletKnight Slaves were also suppose to be treated humanely and after seven years of service given land. Nice try.
@@UltraVioletKnight You can’t force Christianity on someone. Otherwise, it’s not a true conversion.
Yep---Cheers, DCF
There is a problem with Romanism is it the Bible says come out of her my people and partake none of her sins in the book of revelation 1811 and it’s talking about this woman the Harley of Rome, the Harley, the Rome of the Roman Catholic Church😊
I hold to to Christianity and it can’t be the bomb. It can’t be the bunk because the word of God says so.😊❤kjv1611
I have a point to make:
1) Paul got any of his idea of christianity through "visions" (aka. hallucinations/making up the story in his own mind) and scripture.
2) Paul believed in the crucifiction and resurrection of Jesus.
3) therefor at least that part of the story is fiction
Please think!!!
Followers willingly became human torches at Emporer Nero's garden parties in 65 AD rather than worship him than God.
That is a mere 22 years from Christ's death.
People "back then" were not any more stupid or gullible than you or I. They knew that being nailed to a Roman cross was a hideous torture no human body survives. Dead people stay dead. They honestly believed he was killed. They either saw this themselves, or knew this was witnessed, if not by them, by hundreds of other first or second-hand eye-winesses.
They would trust (as you would a Viet Nam war veteran's) the witnesses' testimonies, by hundreds of people outside the biggest city in Israel. Many of them were people who had followed his preaching for 3 years, found his words and teachings compelling and utterly fresh, watched his miracle-working, arrest and trial, and watched him carrying his own cross-beam, half dead from scourging (see Shroud of Turin forensic examination for details) through the streets of Jerusalem out to Golgotha.
They knew the Pharisees had him arrested because he claimed to be God and was gaining a following which looked to him and not them for teachings.
They knew the authorities could not produce his body on the 3d day. They knew any messianic teacher's followers would disband when their leader died such a brutal death, but did not scatter or hide.
Myths like resurrection do not appear within 20 years. Letters and second-hand eyewitnesses to Christ's spiritual presence, and not just as a scary insubstantial ghost apparition/hallucination, by, as Paul says, "A crowd of over 500 witnesses ( only men are counted.)"
Simple question: would you die willingly for Luke Skywalker as a human torches, or lion's food?
Paul's ships anchors have been found, off the coast of ? Cyprus. That much is corroborated.
If Paul, or others had made up all the stories attributed to Jesus, considered extraordinarily profound (like loving your enemies, forgiving completely those who harmed you, and letting God punish them) why would they not take credit, say "God revealed thus to me," because they deserved it?
@@glenliesegang233
How have you not heard about 9/11?
Or are you saying thst Islam is true?
And what you talked about are uncomfirmed stories.
You are of course totally wrong. Paul was converted when the risen Christ appeared to him. This was not a hallucination. The resurrection of Jesus is a historical fact if you care to carefully research rather than believing the ignorant. No-one sensible believes it is fiction.
@@davidlittlewood4215 "historical fact" - sure. Without any evidence, the claim coming from a book of fairy-tales, and the event of Paul absolutely matches a sun-stroke, but suuure.
@@davidlittlewood4215
You have not carefully researched it.
You started with the conclusion and looked for confirmation.
It's took over because of a lot of things, on top of that:
1) the fame of Rome caused pretty much all of Europe to slowly convert to absolute monarchies when there used to be more democratic cultures there than just Greece & pre-Ceasar Rome. Absolute monarchies have rules about who nobles can & can't marry & it creates a choke point for quickly converting everyone in charge, who can then largely enforce their beliefs on everyone else.
2) despite converting nobles, people can still revolt if things are taken too far. So, the church kept making tons of compromises with the peasantry to get them to accept it by adopting stuff from their old pagan religions, or allowing things from pagan times to continue into Christianity, like telling the stories of the old gods, or believing in elves. After a couple of generations, Christianity reaches room temperature & just becomes the norm that everyone knows about already.
3) Pagans didn't really fight back all that hard to keep people pagan the way Christianity fought to make everyone Christian until there were too many Christians for remaining Pagans to ever have any hope of stopping.
4) little tricks from missionaries. If he prays to his God to survive a terrible situation & survives, he can claim Divine intervention. Even better if any people against him happen to die. Dealing with a strong warrior culture? Hurt their honor by telling them their God says they can't fight alongside them unless they convert. If all else fails, deliberately desecrate their holy sites. If no divine retribution comes, either his God was clearly more powerful, or the old gods were never real at all. Plus, anti-pagan propaganda helps to make them look like psychotic monsters with no soul or morals.
5) the crusades, which forcibly converted the remaining Pagans in the Baltic region.
Nice in depth response. Cheers----DCF
you know no history. Genocide was being done on Christians till Constantine, and carried on a while longer in the Persian empire, then there were 1400 years of genocide by muslims that forced the Crusades. The aggressors, the muslims, were not forced into Christianity.
@@Frst2nxt
Or so you have been told.
Rome thought Christianity was a threat to the empire because the faith taught, in their words, "the evil superstition" or resurrection.
An empire held together by fear of death is going to feel real intimidated if enough of their subjects don't fear death.
The church then leaned in to the concept eternal torment after death to hold its power. Christians may not fear death, but if you dare to cross the church, death becomes the least of your concerns.
Such nonsense;
Why do people think that Christianity was started somewhere-else and then later got adopted by rome?
Not so…in fact, Rome is founder if the New Testament; so Rome didn’t adopt Christianity, but created it.
@@MrBadway_636 The faith started from one Jewish Rabbi in a distant part of the Roman empire. From there to
the eastern empire of mostly Greeks then westward. Thanks to Roman roads, the first reliable intercontinental
communications system, the faith was also spreading north, south and east like wildfire across 3 major continents.
Rome itself was late into the game. By 340 AD or so Emperor Constantine declare Christianity the official state religion.
There were so many believers by then in the empire that Constantine decided not to contend with it anymore.
Rome did not create Christianity, the Rabbi used the empire to spread his message to the world.
A lot of them will say it spread in the 1st century bc of the martyrs but there's no historical evidence for most of the disciples martyrdom, Darkmatter2525 made a great video on that
It seems we know little of what happened to them after the execution from my research--cheers---DCF
Definitely know that and history with pretty much with the acquisitions and the Salem witch trials they probably won't allow anyone to have their own opinion and also it's pretty much still like that today with fundamentalists and evangelicals.
You could not be more wrong. If a Christian disagrees with you the worst thing that could happen is that you get your feelings hurt. The Salem witch trials predates America…swing and a miss!!!
As one who dated one of them seriously, you are correct. Cheers, DCF
It was because of the free wine and cookies on Sunday.
Saturday was the Original Sabbath
Not at thee Baptist church....😭
@@thinkIndependent2024It still is the ONLY Sabbath. The arguments for Sunday "sabbath switching are absurd on their face. No Christian follows the ten commandments anyway. Their faith requires them to disobey God, and for some reason it all works out in their "I wanna believe" fever dreams.
Lol
I view it the way I view Taylor Swift. Does her status as the most popular musician in the world mean she’s the best musician in the world?
It’s a super fun one coz fundies HATE her.
The amount of historical oversimplification in this video is staggering. Not so much overt inaccuracies as misleading omissions and reductions.
…it’s a 10 minute CZcams video.
The flat earthers dwindled but never entirely disappeared; similarly it may happen to Christianity and should also highlight how things come back to fester in the simpleminded. . . The current rise of flat earth (whatever they call themselves) enthusiasts will likely be very limited and brief. Who knows, I always laughed my ass off at the movie Idiocracy, as absurd satire. It doesn't have the same feel today.
Simple minded?! Atheists are always quick to boast about their intellect and morality. Get off your high horse.
I would like to see them become as small as the flat earthers--cheers, DCF
The simpleminded? You mean those simpleminded enough to believe nothing made chaos and chaos created order?
A couple of points you missed. After Constantine there were a couple of Arian Emperors and one pagan, Julian. Still Nicean Christianity came out on top. Augustine attended meetings of the Gnostic Manicheans during the reign of Theodosius, which was technically illegal, while living in the western capital of Milan. The Emperor's edicts didn't reach everywhere. Also, after the fall of Rome, Christian monks converted a lot of Germans and Slavs with no government at their backs, until Charlemagne forced his religion on the Saxons. So, it's complicated, but Nicean Christianity did not always have government authority before the Middle Ages. Whoever wrote the gospels, many people through the centuries have been moved to do good by the teachings about loving one's enemies, etc., which never get completely lost in the noise from inquisitors and fundamentalists. Hope that will remain the case.
When the monks managed to convince the ruling class. (And they ruled by divine right) it was quick to convert the rest.
Author and scholar David Atwill debunked Christianity 'Ceasars Messiah'
Part of the question is : Is one free to believe that Christ is God?.In the development of West Civ that produced the U.S. this has been so as well as securing one's right to not believe that ...or to think of Christ or anyone or anything as you choose... and vote..as a citizen.
I don't argue with that premise---the fundamentalists should learn it--cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist Thank-you. It's complex, in my experience, like we are.. cheers to you.
Every religion evolved and spread.
You speak all facts.
The real answer is not Constantine, but something bigger. That thing is call colonialism.
The rapid rise and success of Christianity is easily explained by understanding the true nature of a group of men that Plato identified as Sophists. In Plato's Protagoras dialogue they are described this way:
“Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic‐ masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first‐rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.”
One could naturally assume that the "odium" that they feared was that of being conmen. Then in Plato's Theaetetus, the Sophist Protagoras is described this way:
“In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.”
And this is obviously very similar to the way Christ was described in Mark 4:33-34:
"When he (Jesus) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"
Few critics of Christianity question why Christ, the supposed savior of mankind, would mask the true meaning of his words to all except his closest associates and expect the rest to figure it out on their own. This makes no sense in the literal story, but it makes perfect sense for a group of conmen working together to pull off their scams. Christianity also emerged during a period known as the Second Sophistic which should be enough of a smoking gun to at least warrant a discussion of a possible link but for some reason nobody seems willing to take this road.
The Sophists employ a system of allegory that works very much like a code and when a Sophist joins a "Mystery School" to learn how this code works, he becomes a member of an elite class with a guaranteed future of wealth and prestige, but only as long as the code is kept secret. The man called "Judas" (whose name is derived from the Hebrew word "yada" meaning "to know") betrayed his fellow Sophists and shared the secrets of this code with the masses which allowed them to "raise the dead" from the "underworld" of hidden knowledge. In order to undo the damage, Philo of Alexandria created a false system of allegoric interpretation that was then infiltrated into the groups associated with Judas and the result was Christian Gnosticism. Strict censorship was also imposed which was metaphorically represented by Saul's (from "sheol") "blindness" on the Road to Damascus and as "tax collecting" elsewhere.
Sorry, but your "just-so story" doesn't align with historical facts, particularly not when you decided to veer into a full blown conspiracy theory at the end.
@@martin2289 What historical facts? Do you mean a man walking on water and rising from the dead?
If you are going to quote a passage in the Bible, then quote it. Don’t make up one.
@@Jennifer-h5f What quote did I make up? What does your Bible show for Mark 4:33-34? Or have you never even bothered to read the Bible and have no clue as to what it actually says?
After the defeat of Judaism in 70 AD when the Roman Army destroyed the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, the Jews had to find a replacement that offered hope and purpose.
The followers of a wandering end times preacher named Yeshua who was executed as a public nuisance became the new hope for those who had witnessed the failure of the Jewish god Yahweh to protect his people and deliver an independent Jewish state.
Thanks to the Roman Emperors Constantine and Theodosius, Saul of Tarsus and the followers of Yeshua, who borrowed the dying and rising god myths of earlier cultures, the new religion of salvation through the Resurrection of Yeshua/Jesus became a popular belief that spread through the preachments and the written stories of the early Christians bolstered by the threat of eternal damnation if you did not believe it. Just as in the spread of Islam the need to defend the faith and save souls for Christ supported by Roman Law eventually led to violence against non Christians.
Its too bad creationists go after evolution and not meteorology.
Dear DCF,
For starters; Religion is socially usefull.
It helps people form tribes, by giving people the same culture and values.
Otherwise it also has socially acceptable forms of casting out the unfit:
Namely shunning.
The group bonds formed are so strong that I still feel loyal to my religion;
Despite my family being shunned for four generations. I don't know how.
Same for the middle ages: Only upright Christians could join guilds.
You may think: Doesn't this tribalism encourage violence?
Unfortunately: Yes; That's why I call it tribalism.
Now, will Christianity survive the, say, the 25th century?
Yes, but it depends on what you define as Christianity.
There is no doubt in my mind that there will be Christians.
But they may not exactly be Fundamentalist Christians.
Just like we don't have many Heliocentrist or Flat Earth Creationists;
Beliefs will adapt to the culture. Hence Christianity is always current.
In spite of the beliefs its books may hold.
Only if someone where to invent some revolutionary new religion today;
But such things are very rare.
You make some good points that are basically what machievelli argued. Based upon religions' primary function which is control , I don't envision evangelicalism surviving another 50 years. It's doomed by an easily
accessible counter position found on the internet. Namely Academic scholarship of the bible. A dissection and criticism of their central beliefs and an examination of their leaders and power structure. from what I've read, the mormon church is already hemorrhaging. The young ones will reject what's essentially a medieval world view. Look at western Europe. That's the future. South America and Africa have the internet too. Chistianity's greatest foe is the internet not the Muhammedans.
How fast did Scientology grow? It's not going to take over but demonstrates that a belief can spread.
Now step back and imagine if Scientology was mandated as law and let a few hundred years go by. Cheers, DCF
@debunkingthefundamentalist
Or if an FBI agent in charge of monitoring them had a seizure and thought L. Ron Hubbard was the Son of God.
Wasn’t Mark written in 80 AD??
Without the Miracles and Resurrection
All of my sources say 30-40 years after the death of Yeshua --so that's a close estimate. Cheers---DCF
Most likely around 70 CE. Right after the fall of the 2nd Temple in the First Jewish Roman War.
Nope. Mark was written at the latest by 60AD by John Mark acting as Peter’s interpreter.
@@thinkIndependent2024you are completely wrong there
The author misses a lot of historical facts: The first country to accept Christianity was Armenia in 303. Constantinus 1st was said to have been Christianized just before he died. But his mother (Sta.) Helena was Christian. Many Germanic tribes became Arianic Christians during the 4th century outside the Roman Empire.
In general, this video contains more hate than facts.
Christianity is biblical do not be ashamed of what Jesus did at Calvary😊😂
I have no idea how a dream works
What are those uniforms @5:03😨??? Are they a kkk branch or...
I don't know either but they're creepy AF ! 😲
Smth that starts with C since I forgot but the Spanish used them during the inquestion to hide identity of inquisitor
I thought the reel was supposed to be inquisition types but maybe you're right---and it would fit just as well--cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist called a Capirote the outfit used by Spanish
@@Florida79578 I did not know that--thanks--DCF
If people would only read the scripture and read the word
Most atheists and non believers do which is why we don't believe. On the other hand most Christians haven't read the full bible and it's why they do believe.
Jesus Christ loves you more than you hate Him !
When have you ever talked to any god to know this? Where is the evidence for your two way back and forth with Jesus? Or is this “for the Bible tells me so?”
There was every reason from a self preservation motive to persecute rather than join Christianity, but people saw Virtue, the Supernatural, excellent reason, etc., and the first witnesses saw the Resurrection.
Christianity is just a story somebody told you.
As there was to to reject earl Islam because they were persecuted by the pagan rulers of Mecca; the Chinese Imperial authorities persecuted the early followers of Buddhism; not to mention the martyrdom of Joseph Smith and the persecution of Mormons.
According to your fairy tale. Got it. And no, they weren't persecuted, your god, your jesus christ, get a grip. The only places Christians have been persecuted were in Japan (long ago), China (currently) and places where other sky-daddy-kooks in Africa and the middle east set out to persecute xtians in those countries. Not having your way and not being in charge doesn't mean you are persecuted.
Who were the witnesses?
Where are there records?
What can not be dreamt?
This is a gross mischaracterization.
I believe that many people believe in Christianity because God tells their heart and soul that it is truth and that it would have spread regardless of governmental influence simply because it is true.
What ifs, don't count.
Until they become regrets. Those count too much.
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You sound like redeemed zoomer
The Massacre of Verden did a lot to solidify Christianity in Europe.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
We do not live on a spinning ball.
Ball ?
Correct, we actually live on an oblate spheroid, that rotation speed does funny things to the ball!
Jesus said he is the way the truth and the life and the only way to God and said few are on his narrow path which leads to heaven but many are on the wide path that leads to hell and that not everyone will believe in him but i implore you to believe in and commit to Jesus despite false Christians who have existed in every generation.
The prophets are coming through real strong in our world today. Jesus is who He claimed to be.
Interesting this ignorance project you run on here. Try reading Tom Holland’s latest couple of books on the Roman Empire and Christianity. Funny how an informed historian comes to different conclusions,
Xtianity was compulsory by those in power. That's a fact. And that's the point.
Tom Holland was raised a Christian, he did not study history and come to different conclusions. The conclusions were fed to him from the time he was a child.
Cf. Wikipedia article on Tom Holland's religious 'beliefs': Although his father is an atheist, Holland was raised in the Christian church by his "devout Anglican" mother, and he said in 2013 that because of her example "I've always associated Anglicanism with goodness and decency and generosity of spirit and compassion, so I never had that visceral association of Christianity or institutional religion with repression or dogma or illiberalism."[77] Nonetheless, as an adult he disavowed belief in the existence of God, saying "I have seen no evidence that would satisfy me that anything supernatural exists. I have seen no proof for god."[77]
There's no dissonance between what Holland conceded in his book, Dominion, and what this content creator posits for Christianity's original and continuing growth/influence. Holland is an atheist, though he conceded that his moral, cultural philosophy is due to Christianity's ubiquitous influence, especially in the West.
@@LuisGonzalez-oy3kuyou completely miss the point as does the ignoramus who posted the video. I was talking about Holland’s books which show the spread of early Christianity not his personal beliefs.
@@amateuroverlord8007you make yourself look rather foolish by saying that as if a man of Holland’s intellect just takes something on board because it’s been fed to him as a child.
My favorite channel❤
Thanks much maxpaw--cheers, DCF
Nice vid bro, disproven nasa space nonsense aside. Subbed mate.
Thanks a lot. Hope you like the vids---Cheers, DCF
Are you a flash earther?
@@dayofthejackyl yes
@@TK.D36 how?
Christianity spread like wildfire mostly because those monks and monasteries that dotted Europe after the fall of Rome were literate and preserved knowledge of Roman administration and Greek philosophy. They civilized and educated Europe and western society from it's barbarian, illiterate, savage past. There were some miracles like the Constantine cross and such that stopped the persecution of Christianity, but Christians being driven out of Rome by persecution caused the monasteries and monks to spread across Europe and civilize society.
... yes but it also was spread by the sword! sigh.
@@Llynnyia Not true in any appreciable sense.. Islam was spread by the sword, but Christianity (conversion of the spirit) is uniquely incompatible with forced conversion. This is one reason Hitler lamented Christianity as 'uniquely incompatible with his plans for Germany' as he tried to replace Christianity with his political religion of a white master race - National Socialism (NAZI'ism).
Christian Kings and leaders did finally fight back against 400 years of Islamic incursions with the long overdue Crusades and such, but the spread of Christianity was due to their role in civilizing society.
Rome didn't Fall it became the Roman Catholic Church, Just a better way to extract wealth
@@JimCastleberry WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG......WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
@@aubreyleonae4108 I realize you are angry, but the historical record is clear.
In fact, the 'Dark Ages' of European history are 'dark' because the peoples of Europe were largely illiterate and kept no records. After Rome fell to the barbarians the only knowledge preserved and recorded were by those monks who gradually spread, built monasteries, then universities and hospital movements and finally developed what we know as modern science (Methodological Empiricism) - the modern scientific method. Christianity became the dominate civilizing force across Europe and even central Asia.
You can deny history, but this is all well documented.
No, cohabitation was permitted since the thirties!!
Christianity is biblical do not be ashamed of what Jesus did at Calvary😊😂