EVANGELICAL AND OTHER CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALIST CULTS. AND WHY THEIR FOLLOWERS CAN'T COME TO REASON.
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- You've heard their defense of creationism. The world is 5,000 years old and Noah's Ark was the vessel where humanity evolved. The question is how does one actually come to belief this sort of insanity when we have overwhelming scientific data and historical data proving that the beliefs of Christian fundamentalism simply aren't true. Watch this video to see how the Christian fundamentalist denominations keep such a tight hold on their followers.
THE SECOND FALL. An offbeat account of what I think the Apocalypse would be like if Christ ever returned. A novel the fundamentalists will despise.
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Small note: I said mass a few times for their service--old former Catholic habit--sorry
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I am right there with you, dude! I'm on a mission to shut this party down.
Years ago, I wrote a story about Jesus returning to every day Canada or USA.
Suddenly there on a busy street, being laughed out of a clothing store, robbed of his Shekels, picked up by police and put in the police lock-up.
All the good things he would know nothing about.
So he took off and went back to where he came from.
That was my idea of him returning.
Reality:
I don't believe he ever existed.
The way you start start the video “this channel has one purpose and only one. To attack fundamentalism”, had me hooked from the beginning. As someone who’s family has been ripped apart by fundamentalism, I say thank you.
As a former evangelical I can state without reservation that both the arrogance and the ignorance of modern day Christians is shocking.
And then they whimper that they're "only having a civil conversation."
There should be a law that bars anyone under the age of 18 from entering a cult building.
Also, faith organizations should be taxed.
Exvangelical here, and I’m so glad I deconstructed. Thanks for the awesome channel.🤟
This guy is a CZcams bot. He goes around Christian videos and mocks them to get people to turn to the satanic mainstream.
@@MrCool144Bot or brain? Christians live in a curated bubble so actually it is more like this guys a pin, though in my case it wasn’t a burst, more like a slow deflation. But regardless, Christian apologists like you aren’t able to comprehend the complexity of the issues. Doesn’t mean you are not intelligent, just theologically centric full of presuppositional conclusions. It’s all subjective. Then there’s the unpleasant reality that regardless of which Christian community I join, religious folk are hypocritical, judgemental, selectively empathetic, and their love is always conditional for the most part. And unfortunately not intellectually honest. So sure, worship freely, have fun deriding the purveyors of scepticism, and know that no human knows the truth…only their version of it. This reply has probably gone over your head. Please return to your brainwashing, confirmation bias, mental gymnastics with cognitive dissonance, your subjugation of real conversation and inquiry for biblical quotes and superstitious ramblings and of course, your inability to see the narrative manipulation of canonical decisions and the complete obliteration of what might be a loving God for the characterization given the Creator by white bearded old farts claiming all kinds of nonsense like God told me to sacrifice my son atop a mountain, kill the enemies including their children and animals…man, how do you people even live with yourselves? Oh yeah, progressive revelation, scribal errors, harmonization through cultural contextualization, not asking any question…sorry, I forgot all those strategic strategies by the saints. I’m so glad I’m free finally from all your delusions or at the very least, spiritual hubris that purports you are 100% right with your beliefs and interpretations.
Ended things with an Evangelical Christian recently and instead of feeling sadness, I felt utter relief. One can only be told they're going to hell so many times. Then there's that slain in the spirit business. I just couldn't take it anymore and dare I challenge their beliefs and their belief that yoga is a sin.
On March 12th 2023 my video comes out on my 25th anniversary of breaking up with an Evangelist. I hear you loud and clear.---DCF
I just had an encounter with a Christian fundamentalist . I didn’t know it at first but when he started telling me that I can’t deny the prophecies in the Bible because he believed that were all true and that it’s like denying history. I started telling him about the Epic of Gilgamesh and how it’s the oldest known story that we know if he said I can’t prove that it’s older then the Noah story. Then I brought up go GÖBEKLI Tepe in Turkey or the Younger Dryas theory or any of the megalithic structures . He just said the flood happened just 5,000 years ago and the earth wasn’t as old as scientists believe. Crazy.
I had the misfortune of being picked up by a Jehovah's Witness during a hitchhiking trip as a 16-year-old. Suffice to say the ignorance on the topic of evolution "Do you really believe we came from monkeys!?" or "You think a giant explosion created everything in the universe!?". Pity I was not my current self, I would have verbally torn her a new one, but I was just a tired teenager who wanted to get home and to bed after having missed my last bus. This is one of the many reasons I cannot stand these cultists.
I was raised fundamentalist Christian, with my Dad becoming a Presbyterian church minister when I was in primary school. I received a triple dose of indoctrination, and it's taken me decades to deconstruct my former faith and adopt the reality of secular humanism. Good luck with your new channel, hope it does well for you!
They a throwback to a prescientific era
In his commentary on the Epistle to the Galations in 1535 Martin Luther wrote: “Faith won the victory and routed reason, that ugly beast and enemy of God. Everyone who by faith slays reason, the world’s biggest monster, renders God a real service. Do not consult that Quackdoctor, reason. Believe in Christ.” Another of his seldom-mentioned opinons: “What harm would it do if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian Church…a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie…such lies would not be against God. He would accept them.” In my opinion, such thinking, let alone proselytization, should be opposed, ridiculed and rejected wherever it is found. That it should even require confrontation in the 21st century amazes me.
we were taught that logic and reason are tools of the devil. and we didn't have a religion, we had the TRUTH
Jehovah's Witness?
@@extraterrestrial4287 nope, baptist
@@kenpyle1716 it sounds exactly what I was told as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Exactly what I was told as a Baptist too.
Maybe not that were direct tools of him, but definitely used by him.
It was logic and reason applied against the faith.
Once again I am grateful to not be born in the USA. The religious extremism among many other things is just insane
Religion is a reaction to the reality that surrounds us. Reality is terrifying, full of fear and pain which ends in death. Religion offers stories of comfort and hope in exchange for your money and your critical thinking.
Thank you for stating that the leaders of these churches usually have no formal education in theology, history, or even Bible scholarship. If I listen to a speaker at a church, I would like to learn from an educated person, not someone just saying random thoughts that relate to a verse they read.
Wow, I had no idea such a YT channel even existed against this specific problem. Recently moved to the Dallas area a few years back and am heartbroken to see how many brainwashed christians are roaming the streets. I'd like to just buy my groceries and be kind to others without being invited to some stranger's church..
I grew up in a fundamentalist home as a non-christian. When I was 7 years old, I started to understand how far gone my mom truly was. She'd drop me off to school and point out which of my friends would go to hell with me for not being christians. I had imaginary friends and she told me I was speaking to the devil. She lived her entire life pointing out the darkness and wrong-doing in others and continues to miss out on the joy of life and enjoying others
I have never met a smart Christian fundamentalist. I have met smart communists (and other followers of evil ideologies) so me calling Christian fundamentalists stupid is not because I disagree with them. There are smart nazis, smart communists, smart liberals, smart libertarians and smart conservatives (which refers to a diverse group of people). But smart Christian fundamentalists don't exist. I don't even believe Christian fundamentalists are evil. There is just nothing going on upstairs.
I live in New Jersey and I've never encountered a Christian Fundamentalist or at least none that was dumb enough to tell me he/she was one. I've encountered them online but none in the flesh so to speak. Personally, I'm REALLY happy about that.
When I was in high school I fell in with "Young Life," which was evangelical. I was being raised Catholic, but I guess my parents figured as long as it was about God it would be all right. Of course I only went because it was practically my only chance to get out of the house and be with people my own age, to flirt and horse around, and maybe get a boyfriend. The God stuff was peripheral. We listened to the nice man talk about Jesus and forgot it.
Come to the South and you will meet them. They are everywhere
I can only hope that you can keep this up.
I have talked and attempted to explain reality to fundamentalists, of course, to no avail.
Since childhood, I really never accepted the hokey Bible and it's stories and fables. The fundamentalists are the worst. They hold onto their belief systems stronger than when I held onto a megafart while driving a date I had to the movies.
So true
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"Intrusion into someone's life".
Yes, as someone who was under it for a while, I agree. The intrusion is to take an individual's sovereignty away, so that they will easily fall in line to subsequently be first mental, and eventually emotional "vassaled".
Truth?
Unknown in religion.
I grew up in a tyrannical fundamentalist megachurch and am only now starting to realize how much it messed me up. I still want to believe in God, but I want to believe in a kind and compassionate God. What are some of the more loving and open-minded Christian denominations?
The Episcopalians are pretty chilled out. Or there are the Unitarian Universalists that seem to embrace all types---DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalist Thanks. I hope I'm right about this. I'm worried that if I'm wrong, I'm going to burn in hell for eternity. That might sound ridiculous to you, but the fear is very real.
@@galacticknight55544 Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom
The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox don't seem to take things so literally to the point of controlling what you want to do, such as dancing when happy, singing or listening to music, watching movies, or studying subjects like philosophy or psychology in university and becoming a mental healthcare worker or therapist.
@@kevinjanghj The Catholics and Orthodox are even more restrictive than most Protestant churches. They aren't even allowed to use contraception, even in sex between a husband and wife.
Love it. I was afraid of them, because i've never seen that level of insanity. My brother converted and he completely destroyed my family. I would never use or encourage violence against them. However I have no respect for their badshit craizy believes.
I'm sorry about your brother. ---DCF
Very good. I have subscribed.
The delusion of Religion.
They recite their ancient books, although the fact informs me that these are fiction from first to last.
O Reason, thou (alone) speakest the truth.
Then perish the fools who forged the religious traditions or interpreted them.
Al-Ma'rri Philosopher
973-1057 AD
I am sorry to disappoint you, but you will not change the mind of any fundamentalist because they will never hear what you have to say. They do not listen to anything that falls outside of their strict doctrine. Their primary problem is that they are extremely closed minded.
Religion...and specifically THEIR version...has become intertwined with their identity...they're synonymous. You can't break that level of delusion
....in other words - they are so much brainwashed from their doctrines - it´s a waste of time and energy to discuss with fundamentalists - for sure.
Sometimes you may find a man skilful in his trade, perfect in sagacity and in the use of arguments, but when he comes to religion he is found obstinate, so does he follow the old groove. Piety is implanted in human nature; it is deemed a sure refuge. To a growing child that which falls from his elders' lips is a lesson that abides with him all his life. Monks in their cloisters and devotees in mosques accept their creeds just as a story is handed down from him who tells it, without distinguishing between a true interpreter and a false.
Al-Ma'rri Philosopher and Poet
973 - 1057 AD
Keep your hands and soul away from any fundamental religions - that was a very good advice for me - today - I am glad - that I left all fundament. churches and religion pretty fast since I had to find out the hard and heavy way.
i was an evengelical for over twenty years, i did not even know i was in it, i think its possible to graduate from the greenhouse of church, to shift ones mindset , i have not attended church over ten years, i think some just fake it because they want to be around nice people which many of them really want to be good and nice. like an mlm, church provides a social network for nice people who would rather not hang out at bars etc. we all drink from the same well, we all drive the same roads and go to the same gas station. church or not we all have more in common than not. i try for balance havr friends that are smart, ones that arnt, have rich freinds and poor freinds, have freinds of different beliefs and ideas. my two cents anyway, dont be bitter about evangelicals, thankfully pilotics and religion are only just a small part of life, not life itself
Because fundamentalism is a cult
Well explained and interesting. Such a foolish and irrational beliefs based on man-made stories. I find it hard and embarrassing I once fell for it myself.
Reading Ex-Christian blogs and essays really helps one see how many are in the same boat and once honestly examining this nonsense it falls apart completely.
This instilled fear of reality and hateful arrogance of Christian's is the very ugly side of humanity.
Sunday school was just a way of getting us out from under our parents feet. Waste of time. 🇬🇧
Well it did teach us manners and moral virtues.
My self-adopted brother is a -moron,- woops, I mean Mormon. We've known each other for over 30 years. Not long after we met, I tried to talk to him about what his religion was all about, but he didn't want to engage. Of course not, because I believe deep down he understands how ridiculous his idiotic superstitions are. Anyway, I go to his house every Thanksgiving. Not once has he ever tried to get me to have anything to do with his religion. This year, however, he has "informed" me that we are going to "dedication" while I'm at his house. Unfortunately for him, he is in for a rude awakening. I don't think (as a matter of fact, I _KNOW)_ that he doesn't fully understand just how much I despise religion of all ilks. I think it is the bane of civilized society, the most evil creation of all humanity. And that's because he can't have a civilized conversation about it.
Several months ago, he was complaining about his fundamentalist cousin talking about his faith-based bigoted and misogynistic rants on Facebook. I mentioned that they are all based in fairy tales. He then aggressively "informed" me that HE believes in Gawd! Okay, conversation ended. Sorry, dude, but if you are going to complain to me about someone's religion, I'm going to explain to you that I think ALL religions are exactly the same.
This should be an interesting Thanksgiving holiday.
This is a rant as well, you probably hate all religions because you had a past event that made you believe they’re all bad and because you believe you’re more intellectually superior than others. What is your goal? What is your purpose? These are questions you need to answer rather than complaining about religions. You having hate towards someone because they believe in God is no different than someone who hates homosexuals, be consistent
@@slade8863 _"you probably hate all religions because"_ -- Thank you for showing everyone you are so arrogant, so conceited, that you think you can read everyone else's minds. Gawd forbid you actually *_ASK A FUCKING QUESTION,_* right? You think that's a "sin" because you might actually learn something and we can't have that!!!
Religion has made you arrogant and stupid.
@@slade8863 _"because you believe you’re more intellectually superior"_ -- Well, I don't believe in idiotic, childish, self-contradictory fairy tales, so....
@@slade8863 _"What is your goal? What is your purpose?"_ -- Well, I enjoy pointing out the stupidity and gullibility of religious people. I think ridicule is a good way to make them put up or shut up and since they have nothing to put up, I enjoy goading them into exposing their ignorance and stupidity in full public view. I would hope that those people who are on the fence, who are questioning their faith, or looking at these posts to see if there is anything to religious claims will read both sides and see just how narcissistic and idiotic religious people are. I really love it when people who profess that they are devotees of a "religion of love" spew hatred and vitriol toward anyone who _DARES_ question, let alone challenge their moronic fairy tales. I enjoy exposing the religious for the vicious, racist, misogynists that they truly are.
_"These are questions you need to answer rather than complaining about religions."_ -- No, I don't _"need"_ to do anything. But, as it turns out, I can do both! ;-)
_"You having hate towards someone because they believe in God"_ -- Doesn't compare to the hate that YOU have for someone who ISN'T gullible enough to believe in batshit crazy fantasies.
_"is no different than someone who hates homosexuals, be consistent"_ -- *Unsurprisingly, you are wrong, yet again.* Homosexuality is NOT a choice. Forcing yourself to believe in idiotic, self-contradictory, childish fairy tales is. No one is forcing homosexuality down anyone else's throats (pun intended), but speaking out against you fucking assholes are out there trying to at least silence anyone who points out the inconsistency and idiocy of your superstitions, if not force everyone to comply with your anti-American, anti-democratic fascism is not only acceptable, but it's a public service. If you see oppressing someone because of their nature as exactly the same as not allowing YOU to oppress others, you are absolutely fucking delusional.
@@dienekes4364 this reply is too long, and from the looks of it full of insults, if you want someone to take you seriously, write a more meaningful response, I won’t read this
Love the candor
THANK YOU!!!
I know it's difficult to be tolerant and patient but I believe it is the best choice for improving things. Religious people aren't the enemy. They are just mistaken. When I am wrong about something, I change my mind when I get educated on why and how. Not just told I'm wrong because others have a different opinion. I urge you to be less adversarial and judgmental and more educational. Trust me, it gets better results.
I grew up in this so glad i was able to see the holes in but my family is still all lost in it i was so brain washed i actually almost went to moody bible institute to become a youth pastor
Moody would have done you in for sure--DCF
Hello! I am having a presentation about Fundamentalism and i have to find a hole in the principles of the Fundamentalism ideology. I am finding it hard to be honest. can someone help?
As a former fundamentalist I find your question naive and dishonest ,if you want to put holes in fundamentalism, don't, just look at the obvious black hole , criminal pastors ,lunatic preachers ,crazy members I could go on with many other evils
What would be the principles?
Easy !
The teachings of Jesus can easily be seen to contradict fundamentalist beliefs.
He was frequently accused of blasphemy by the religious authorities precisely because he did not subscribe to their weird beliefs.
What's with the all-caps titles lol.
This video is a textbook example of the strawman fallacy with a bit of the genetic fallacy on the side.
Glad to see people talking about this.
I was raised Fundie... Parents liked the Pearls and used their teachings to justify beating me from infancy until i was a teen
So did nobody have to pass a GED or high school science test ?
This video would be easier to watch and listen to without the goofy hillbilly music in the background.
It's ALL superstition. Nobody's got the Truth
Correction. SCIENCE!!!!!!!
@@rstevewarmorycom even science changes with new ideas
@@kenpyle1716
No, it elaborates more accurate theory by enhancing it with new evidence. E.g., Newton still works to get you to the moon, Einstein's enhancements make less than a meter difference.
Another interesting story is the former missionary to the Pirahā people of Brazil... Dr. Daniel Everett.
Where is Vlad Tepes when the heathen and reprobates rage so wickedly against their Maker; where is Vlad Tepes now that his righteous handiwork is once again so desperately needed?
Dude, saying “Bart Ernam” and “Matt Dillahuntay” is not a good look for someone who’s an author and content creator. Maybe learn how to pronounce their names from the videos that they themselves post?
I too am a fan of Earn-a-man and Dilla-hun-tay
This channel seems to be little more than nothing. First, this appears to be some sort of AI generated video. I guess the joke could be on me, because I didn't immediately understand that this is little more than a charade. Second, where is the moderator? Who is this person who claims to be not only the expert on fundamentalism, a subject so broad and subjective I'm not certain anyone can say they can do more than present their opinion, but also has had such inordinate interaction with fundamentalists, that they are the defacto authority on the culture.
Thank you thank you I grew up almost being indoctrinated into a small cult like church in rural pa
Christian fundamentalism originally meant the belief that the bible was fundamentally true. The belief that it was literally true came later, as a reaction to biblical scholarship in the Anglican church. It is both liberating and ridiculous.
No unnecessary music please..!!!
The music is too loud.
Intelligent people can be fundamentalist, yes... I've seen it with my own eyes 👀
....may be you should try out some glasses for you?
@@claudiaschneider5744 I was in a few Mensa Christian groups (high IQ peeps) and there was no lack of fundies. It was kinda disappointing ngl... but there are plenty of preachers out there who are clearly quite smart/educated and hold to a very literal interpretation of the bible/all the real life implications that come along with it. So intelligence has nothing to do with it. Idk what makes someone more or less vulnerable to being fundamentalist tbh...
I'll chime in on this. Many are intelligent so to speak. And educated. But the brainwashing is more powerful. Just like some smart people think the earth is flat. John Baumgardner is an example. Geophysicist. Came with a hypothesis of runaway subduction to explain why the once one land mass that all the pairs of animal species got on the ark from, broke into pieces and drifted across the sea in 40 days but rapid tectonic plate movement. His own model produced a heat---by his words now, a heat that would have boiled the oceans. He ignores this. When questioned by others who reviewed it--other physicists--he wouldn't answer. Because the fundamentalist programming was stronger than his education as was Henry Morris--engineer by trade and with a PhD. He challenged Ken Miller at Brown U that there were no transitional fossils. Miller showed him not one slide but multiple slides of major transitional fossils. Morris answered and just continued to repeat there were no transitional fossils. He was proven wrong right there with a series of slides right in front of him and simply ignored it. So education is overrun by the brainwashing. Cheers, DCF
As a Christian nothing irritates me more then that I agree with you :)
As someone who has a degree in ministry and psychology, I hate ignorance and unintelligence
For what it's worth, I'm sorry if they soured you toward God,
They almost did me: not for the reasons you state btw, but I'm sure you've came across Calvinism..
I'm actually a nonspecified theist but thanks. And I have nothing against regular christians although I don't believe Yeshua was divine and welcome any reasonable points for me to research (and have turned a few into videos) cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalistI tell people I Believe in God, not religion
Over many a race the sun's bright net was spread. And loosed their pearls nor even left them a thread,
This dire world delights us, though all sup----
All whom she mothers----from one mortal cup.
Choose from two ills: which rather in the main
Suits you? ---- to perish or to live in pain?
Al-Ma'arri
These folks provoke conflicts. Zn$+ too are Fundamentals.
Not all Christians believe that the earth is 6,000 years old.
Only the most willfully ignorant...
To answer the title…it’s easy.
The answer is simple:
- The reward is far too great to lose by turning away (heaven/bliss/eternal life/being with loved ones for an eternity). Who the fμck wouldn't want that?
- The punishment is too severe for turning away (hell/torture/torment/eternal damnation, etc etc). Who would risk such a thing?
This is why religion will never go away. The stakes are just too high for most people to think in any other way.
Indiana gang
Is Indiana overrun by them? Or is it home to a particularly obsessive form of fundamentalism?
@@Lennythewinner it isn't too bad here where I live. Maybe a little overly religious, but I haven't found any church state violations in my community.
I like this guy narrating this channel. Lol. He’s right on
I was raised catholic till I reached the age of Logic and Reason!!!✌️🖤⚛️
They can't. Period. Sorry. 😎 Abide
I was raised in the church but not a fundamentalist church. I have two sisters who converted to strict fundamentalist churches/cults and I have watched them throw away all reason in the name of their faith. I have watched it destroy them because both ended up with men who used their faith against them to manipulate them into being abused. How can you reason with someone who believes god gave certain people a mandate over you. You can't.
How can an intelligent person REJECT fundamentalism?
Because he/she IS intelligent?
9 minutes in and still zero proof other than some rambling personal perspective.
As if Christian’s rely on proof to support their beliefs.
Speaking of brainwashed.
Yes thank you heavenly imaginary friend that we can all hold hands and be delusional together.
What about all the bible contradictions? Thousands of them?
While I agree with you on some points, you make statements and imply they apply to all fundamentalists when they don’t. Not all fundamentalists use the NKJV. There are fundamentalist / evangelical preachers who go to bible schools & bible colleges. If you’re going to educate people, please ensure it’s accurate.
He's right but his voice is annoying .
Lol it is
"The Crucifix Fish Testifies" Look it up. This is God's perpetual memorial of the crucifixion made on day five of creation. This skull bone of a fish washes up on the beaches of its native waters--a testimony to the crucifixion and resurrection.
Here is something I think atheists lack in their religion. When I was in high school, our physics teacher was telling us about Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. He told us that a moving clock would be slower than a clock that was not moving. So for the moving clock, I imagined a clock in a flying airplane, and for the clock that was not moving, a clock on the ground. It was obvious to me that if the pilot of the airplane had a slower clock, then he would get a faster speed for the airplane than an observer on the ground would get using the faster clock on the ground to time the flight of the airplane. Then I read Einstein's book on the subject and was surprised to learn that the equations he was using and that scientists have used since his time showed that the pilot and the observer on the ground would get the same speed for the airplane. The entire idea behind Einstein's theory is based on this premise. So it is obvious that scientists are no more rational in their thinking than anyone else, since they will not even discuss this anomaly in their logic. One thing about scientists is that almost everything they do is related to war and preparation for war, whereas, Jesus and his disciples talked about peace and love. So I prefer talking about religion to talking about relativity, since there are only two reactions to what I say. The first is what I will get here, which is that no one will respond. The second is what an actual scientist would say, which would consist of profanity and insults. Go to the newsgroup sci.physics.relativity and search under Robert Winn if you want to see what actual scientists are like. I can answer truthfully about Jonah, Noah's ark, and all the other things this guy wants to talk about. I was not there. All I know about it is what was written. So with regard to those things, I just follow what is said in John 5:23 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son. Jesus Christ would be the best one to ask about anything you do not understand in the Bible. He is the one who will judge all things.
Incorrect from the first sentence onward.. XD
Things you got wrong:
1.) Jonah was said to be swallowed by a large fish not a whale.
2.) Adam and Eve makes sense. It was discovered that all present day modern humans descended from the same father and mother.
3.) Noah's ark. It's also discovered that a large percentage of modern animals has the same father and mother ancestor.
Things I agree you got right:
1.) Fundamentalist harm people. I know I was a victim. I was depressed and anxious. They twist and pervert certain scriptures. Used it out of context to make certain man made rules. Well if you read the Bible in entirely you can see it's against it.
2.) Fundamentalists promotes the rapture doctrine. It's unbiblical and a blueprint for many cults. It's seeps the life out of someone.
3.) They read the Bible literally. Worst is they promote the "Bible only" propaganda. It's wrong, Luther started it out on the reformation recently. They judge people. Condemns them. Instead of telling their members how to properly live in the world they told them to separate from it.
4.) They love to use fear. Yeah stay away from these evangelical conservative cults.
God bless us all!❤️🕊️
U R BRAINWASHED ALSO, BRO.....
Mr. Hyper • 100 years ago
All garbage. No fish or whale esophagus is more than 4 inches in diameter. Adam & Eve could not produce a large population, the incest would destroy them in 8 generations. DNA PROVES we came from over ten thousand apes in Africa. A worldwide flood is contradicted by the historic record of surrounding civilizations, which saw NO Flood. Also DNA proves we date back to bacteria or archea 3.8 billion years ago.
While you're correct with your 1st statement, the bible does say fish not whale. However, it doesn't matter, no fish is large enough to swallow a man and no man could live in stomach acid for 3 days. Points 2 and 3 are total nonsense but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt PROVIDED you can provide actual scientific evidence to back you up. Evidence from REAL SCIENCE and SCIENTISTS NOT christian pseudo science, AND most certainly not some apologists claim about what science supposedly says (they are notorious for misrepresenting science and scientists and distorting what they say/teach). REAL science. I can save you the time, there is none. And the stories are utter nonsense that anyone old enough to reject santa claus and the easter bunny should have already seen through.
The Bible can't even make up it's mind when Noah, family and animals boarded the ark.
Did they board 7 days before the flood began?
Gen 7:1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation.
Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate,
Gen 7:3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.
Gen 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."
Gen 7:5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him.
Gen 7:6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
Gen 7:7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood.
Gen 7:8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground,
Gen 7:9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah.
Gen 7:10 AND AFTER THE SEVEN DAYS the floodwaters came on the earth.
Or the very day it began?
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Gen 7:12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
Gen 7:13 ON THAT VERY DAY Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.
Gen 7:14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings.
Gen 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark.
Gen 7:16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
And that's just the beginning of the problems with the dual storyline in the Goat Herder's Fables and Tall Tales book.
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The bible is ALL bullshit and lies!!
@@rstevewarmorycom I agree, so why are you telling that to me? I'm not the one trying to defend its fables and myths.
I love these videos; I like to show them to our youth group at my Southern Baptist Church. It shows others how little atheist CZcamsrs know of what the Bible teaches or what many Christians actually believe.
For example, the video mentions how "a man was swallowed by a whale for a few days and lived." Of course, he is speaking of Johah, but did Johah live? Is this what the Bible teaches? No. In Matthew 12:39-40, we read Jesus saying, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Did Jesus teach that He was alive in the tomb for three days? No. He taught that His body would be in a grave, but His soul would not, Luke 23:43. In Jonah 2:6, we read that he "went down to the moorings of the mountains; The earth with its bars closed behind me forever; Yet You have brought up my life from the pit," (the pit is bôr cistern; pitfall; world of the dead) As I, and many others, read this, Jonah's soul went to Sheol shortly after the event occurred. Jonah reads as if he had died shortly after being taken by the sea creature.
If someone comments that they were taught in their old Church that Jonah lived through this, that is fine; but bad ideas like this are not limited to religious people. For example, the former head of the flat-earth society was and still is an avid neo-Darwinian. According to Natalie Wolchover, "The Flat Earth Society is an active organization currently led by a Virginian man named Daniel Shenton. Though Shenton believes in evolution..." (1) Can I use the head of the Flat Earth Society who believes in flat earth as much as he does in evolution to mock evolutionist? Yes, I could, but would it be fair? No. In fact, many intelligent people hold this view, and there are good reasons to believe in it. Now, if I held up this one person or others like him as the standard for those who believe in Neo-Darwinian evolution, then I am not better than this content creator.
Will someone read this and quote a sermon they heard or even some source material as I did, but unlike me, use it as a blunt instrument to smash all Christians, much like this channel seems to do? Time will tell, but I see this typical pattern from channels like this one.
There are good channels like Cosmic Skeptic that use sound arguments in these discussions, and it is to them I will spend most of my time with the youth group.
Still, this channel provides a good resource for youth groups to consider when dealing with the low-hanging fruits of most online Athiest arguments.
(1) www.livescience.com/14754-ingenious-flat-earth-theory-revealed-map.html
"Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish." Jonah 2:1
Kind of negates that entire theory above--DCF
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Thanks for responding; as stated above, "Jonah's soul went to Sheol shortly after the event. Jonah reads as if he had died shortly after being taken by the sea creature." I also pointed out, shorty after he was taken, he prayed while in the belly of the whale, but he eventually died. After death his soul was in Sheol, the place of the dead. Also you quoted 2:1, but 1-2 reads this way. "Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the fish's belly. (just after being taken) And he said: "I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction, And He answered me. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice." (Sometime later) (Jonah 2:1-2). I pointed this out in my thread, you missed it, but the issue may be that I did not stress this enough, I know most people believed he lived in the belly for 3 days, but many scholars disagree.
So, when you said, "2:1 Kind of negates that entire theory above--DCF." This is true only if you do not read the very next verse where Jonah says, "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried." So as I see it, my case still stands.
I do appreciate that you did not come back at me with a hateful comment, only a correcting statement.
Thank you.
I don't do hateful comments as I am hoping one day I will find evidence that would make me reconvert. (former Christian who has read the bible through and through now an unspecified theist) As far as Jonah I see the above as a pretty far stretch of interpretation. I have heard that debate before but would stand that if he died it would have said he died and we wouldn't have to interpret it. But it's a standstill and all Christians will always be allowed to comment. I do have some videos that aren't diplomatic but remember the fundamentalists were quite undiplomatic with myself for decades. But they are still allowed to present their case. Cheers, DCF
There is a final destination for the unrepentant & unbelievers - Gehenna
Have a proof of hell?
@@Robert-55 but but then what is the meaning of living. /Sarcasm.
@@Robert-55 Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
I truly believe most humans are good people but religion is preventing us to reach our full potential. The more science can explain the less of a need we have for god and religious concepts but it means religion has less and less control over us.
@@Robert-55 I actually think it really does. If a scientist is a religious person then he/she will struggle with science disproving god. Look at James Tour and see what he is saying and he is not alone.
Like I said if you want to be a good person, you really can. Tell me. What moral actions can a religious person do that atheists can't? You do understand that the god concept is man-made. This concept is a carrot and stick to a lot of them. Be good during this life and you will be rewarded after-life. If you don't then you will end up in hell. If you have been told all your life that hell exists and it is the most horrible place then you will do anything to avoid it. Look at religious people going after LGBT+ communities. Look at white nationalists. They believe that the white race is #1.
Be a good person, there is no need for a god there. Just do good as this is the only life you will ever have.
@@Robert-55 you know it? Then you've taken on the burden of proof. I'll wait for some empirical evidence to bolster your claim
thats not a true questuon,because in reality God prepares your mind for spiritual truth that you would be unable to aquire with dead mancintelligence,you need the mind of God or you cant get there from here.
Isn't that just a way of dismissing logic and reason so you don't have to answer questions about your beliefs? Couldn't any religion say that? But you wouldn't say that everybody with different conclusions about God was correct, would you?
If you take the view that you shouldn't look at god claims using logic and reason, how do you protect yourself from cognitive bias?
Pgil,NO! GOD IS LOGIC,IF YOU LIVE FOR HIM HE PREPARES YOUR PATH,WELL NOT YOURS,BUT MINE..ASK ME A REAL QUESTION THAT REQUIRES TRUE LOGIC,AND I WILL ANSWER IT,BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE LOGIC,YOU STILL WONT EXCEPT THE ANSWER.YOU SEE,YOU LIVE IN THE MATERIAL DEVIL RULED WORLD,I LIVE IN THE SPIRITUAL GOD RULED WORLD.IF YOU HAD WISDOM,YOU WOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.JUST OUT OF RECOGNISING TRUTH.
@@ricklamb772 You are just redefining logic to mean what you believe.
If you want a logical question, then here's one: How can I assess whether what you are saying about God is true? People can be wrong about God, can't they? Do you think Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, Zoroastrians etc. are wrong? If so you think people can be wrong about God. How can I tell if you are somebody who is *right* about God? Bear in mind that *your* personal experiences are not things *I* have experienced so I can't use them to work this out. You also can't use circular arguments as you said earlier.
@@ricklamb772 your god is not logic. logic is in reality which your god has absolutely no evidence in reality, or anywhere except in your illogical thoughts.
clifton,Yea,and Him sending His Son in factual reality,for me to except and you to tefuse is just a figment of my imagination,youve got a big wake up call coming!and your not goingxto like it,sorry about your luck,its been runcout since birth.But ill be singing happy days are here again,that will never fade away.
The bible is absolutely true. Full stop. Your belief in the bible is up to u but with non belief comes consequences. There is one God and He is the only way to heaven and eternal life. Everyone who believes in Him shall have everlasting life
you are brainwashed by your bible fundies!
An absolute literal interpretation of the Bible and science are incompatible. The Bible contains many books that blend myth and legend but also historical accounts and facts.
The book of Genesis is one fine example of a book that should absolutely be read as a metaphorical/symbolic story. It does not make it any less true in the core message that it conveys. But God has not blessed everyone with the ease to discern such nuances
Oh you can absolutely believe in a sovereign God and His Son without thinking every word of the Bible is infallible. It has proven to be not. You people who insist on it are doing God (and your future being judged self) and everyone else a disfavor.
@@phil_boucher without God there would be no science.
You mean Thor?
This is weird why do you even care?
What booster shot are you on ?
I'm a Libertarian so the answer would be zero. (Didn't see that coming did you)---cheers, DCF
@@debunkingthefundamentalistgood for you. I figured you as one to trust the science.
@@HowAboutThat224It's not a belief system. Science is evidence of a higher power. Too bad you're too blind to see.
Nice try satan.
That's so sad that you believe that ...christians are very uncomfortable being challenged with the truth ...you can be who you are meant to be ..free from indoctrination and fear and false guilt .most people are good folk im sure you are also just take a few steps back and look at what you say and believe and how your life is really going
@@vls3771 you're judging God with the morality he gave you.
Dude, you are a fundamentalist. It just means that a person takes their beliefs seriously.
How can intelligent people get the jabs and the boosters? 😀
the irony is strong with you isn't it.
Not too bright, are you.
Why don't you expand on that? What are you inferring?
if a person is not able to proof all that crap which other people trying to sell them - they are lost in their own manipulated brainwashed little world....even so called intelligent people are not save from all that bs as we can recognize more and more. Character is missing mostly.
So isn't the bible the written word of God. The Torah God dictates His laws and precepts. The prophets of God telling us what will happen. The gospel, a mystery revealed.
Just to let you know God doesn't lie nor is he impotent. His word is sharper than a double edge sword.
PS evolution is a demonic lie, powerfully deceiving the week and the arrogant.
God created this world, He made it perfect and beautiful without death, Adams sin brought death into God's creation, Jesus Christ redeemed us from death and placed us again in the loving arms of our beloved Father Son and Holy Spirit.
That's what I used to believe for 20 years until I decided to check the basis of my faith. What church say to you and what science say is 2 different things.
Evolution is backed up by evidence, bible is disproved by science. No A&E, no flood, no exodus.
If A&E is a myth, the salvation in Jesus doctrine simply falls down.
WOW perfect demo of the problem. Religion is about powerfully deceiving the week, gullible, ignorant and the selfish. (So glad I got out and recovered).
I suppose you would call me a Christian fundamentalist. I do not believe modern science. In my opinion, real science ended when Isaac Newton died. I have the audacity to tell you that your belief system is incorrect. I started to believe this when I was in high school. Our physics teacher was explaining Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity to us. He told us that a moving clock would be slower than a clock that was not moving. So to visualize this, I imagined a clock in a flying airplane. My father was a Navy pilot during World War II. For the clock that was not moving, I imagined a clock on the ground. It was immediately obvious to me that if the clock in the airplane was slower, the pilot in the airplane would get a faster speed for the airplane than an observer on the ground would get using a clock on the ground to time the flight of the airplane. Then I read Einstein's book on the subject. The first thing I noticed was that Einstein used equations showing that the pilot of the airplane and the observer on the ground would get the same speed for the airplane. I have pointed this out to scientists my entire life. They have called me every name in the book, said that I have no right to talk to them, and decided to ignore me, but they have never answered by original question, How do the pilot of the airplane and the observer on the ground get the same speed for the airplane if the clock in the airplane is slower. The correct answer is simple: They don't. That is something I call reality. So scientists seem to me to be the ones who have a cult. So if you want to save science as it exists today, just explain how the pilot of the airplane and the observer on the ground get the same speed for the airplane. I did not attack your beliefs. Believe whatever you want to believe. All I did was tell you what I believe.
Kinda sure you're bullshitting about the scientist's hostility toward you. Academics love to explain things. Also, they've done this experiment repeatedly. The Hafale-Keating experiment was the first, I think. But we're talking about airplanes, not sci-fi spaceships going .75c. The time dilation effect is so tiny that they need to use atomic clocks measuring minute fractions of a second to see a difference. But the difference is always there, precisely as predicted. No possible difference in the perception of "speed" would be detectable at those scales. If there even was one.
You have no concept of scale and measurement accuracy. And this is your basis to oppose science.
Science is a tool, not a belief system. You can use a hammer to build a house or to hit someone on the head, and you can’t say you don’t believe in the hammer. That would be nonsensical. Scientific method does not change, but the results can and should. Religion cannot change without creating major issues and contradictions. Scientists are fallible people. That’s why we use science to check ourselves.
Belief ≠ acceptance
Faith ≠ trust.
Don't misuse words.
You are like a person with simple arithmetic trying to understand degree level mathematics but this is typical of extremist religion.
It’s scary to see that so many people do not think for themselves …
IF I WERE YOU I WOULD READ THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION FREEDOM OF RELIGION YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO RAIL AGAINST THE PERSONS RIGHT TO BELIEVE WHAT THE PERSON CHOOSES TO BELIEVE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE YOUR THOUGHTS BUT I AND NO ONE ELSE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO BE SUBJECT TO YOUR CAMPAIGN LIKE I SAID YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THE FUNDAMENTALIST YOU CLAIM TO BE AGAINST
kinda like how you christians stand on sidewalks and insult people. kinda like how you use your fkd up beliefs to influence how you vote against civil rights. kinda like how you people go to indigenous cultures and infiltrate their way of life with your fkd up beliefs. kinda like how you people go to abortion clinics and call people murderers for a medical procedure. kinda like how you people force your bullshit on innocent children who have absolutely no concept of a god, which is child abuse. kinda like how you people want prayer in public schools that only prays to your particular god. kinda like how you flaunt your arrogance to people and threaten them with torture for eternity if they don't believe in your bullshit. kinda like how there's pretty much a church on every corner in every town in this country that don't pay taxes, but still insist on influencing the congregation to vote a particular way, which, btw, way is illegal. need i go on? your religion and your god has absolutely no place in the public square. keep your bullshit in your churches where it belongs.
STOP SHOUTING 📢
IF I WERE YOU I WOULD READ THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION FREEDOM OF SPEECH. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO RAIL AGAINST THE PERSONS RIGHT TO BELIEVE ...
Calling out a fool is allowed - freedom of speech.
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JONAH WAS NOT SWALLOWED BY A WHALE BUT GOD CREATED A GREAT FISH GET IT RIGHT
That's correct. That is technically what it says. But a big fish would be a shark so most of us think it actually meant a whale which they wouldn't have known is a mammal--giant whale which generally would be able swallow whole vs a shark which would chew. That's even what they taught us as kids. But the story is ludicrous either way---DCF
This is like debating whether the Easter Bunny is really a rabbit or a hare. It's just a story.
YOU ARE ACTING JUST THE FUNDAMENTALIST