I Reject The Gift Of Salvation? I Reject Jesus' Gift? Is There Evidence For The Salvation?
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Why would I turn my back on this promise from Yeshua?
If you would like to read a novel about what I think the Apocalypse would be like if Christ ever returned (a tale the fundamentalist will despise) click the link below. And may God bless you---just not the God that floods an entire world.
THE SECOND FALL. By Charles Hurst
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SOURCES: My own thoughts at 3:00 a.m.
Thanks for watching. Now what would a Yeshua be like if he actually returned for an Apocalypse. THE SECOND FALL. The offbeat Armageddon sure to offend everyone.
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"Return" implies he exists and the bible is true. No one has been able to demonstrate that.
Next, please try debunking some atheist fundamentalist.
@@CheckmateSurvivor
Are we telling each other what to do?
I have a good imagination.
*Who'd want a relationship with anyone who said they'd set you on fire if you refused it? That's not a "free gift." That's extortion.*
I always wonder what we are supposed to be saved from? Following their own story, we are being offered salvation from the same thing that will punish us. It's not like he is going to protect us from the bad guy; he IS the bad guy. He's good cop/bad cop all in one.
Like paying protection insurance to the Mob: “Youse got a nice place here. Be a shame if suddenly it went up in flames. Or lie, when it goes up in flames, youse might be indoors lookin’ out, rather than outdoors lookin’ in. If youse get my drift.”
*Nock nock*
-Who's there?
It's me Jesus, let me in.
-Why should I let you in?
So I can save you.
-Save me from what?
Save you from what I'll do to you if you don't let me in.
I don't `reject the gift of salvation.` I reject the notion that such a gift exists at all. Not the same thing.
I reject the notion that we need to be saved from anything. It's just all such monkey business.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they didn't first reason themselves into.
I'm going to use that line!
Excellent presentation!
Thanks Driver----cheers, DCF
Brilliantly put. I don't disagree with anything you say. Keep up the good work.
Thanks much Doc--cheers, DCF
No one I have ever listened to on this subject has explained this as well as you have. Brilliant video 😊😊
Thanks John----cheers, DCF
I'm turning it down with the quickness. I would not want to spend all of eternity in a golden Borg cube with my lips pressed up against the invisible sky wizard's back parts.
"golden borg cube" 😂
That's good
There go my thoughts for Heaven---cheers Grape----DCF
"Suck up to Me, and I will spare you the punishments that exist only because I inflict them". That's a school bully, not divinity.
You must first decide to be lost before you can be saved.
That's how the religious set up the trap.
And you typically only go to the doctor if you are sick or injured. You recognize that isn’t a trap.
I would like to know why salvation is pre-conditional? According to fundamentalists, it's not just a question of accepting Jesus either, but you have to live your life by bronze age biblical standards. When you listen to some of these money-grubbing, holier-than-thou fundamentalist pastors here on You Tube, they make it quite clear that in order to be "saved" you must firstly remove all sin from your life, and that even includes "thought crime" (e.g such as looking at a woman with lust.) They're forever telling the rest of us (and most especially other Christians), that only members of their particular CULT have been saved, whereas most everyday Christians have not. However, they certainly can't demonstrate to other people they've been saved as they claim. (Here is an interesting fact that many aren't aware of. Did you know that according to Gnostic Christians, God doesn't care if you're an atheist or not? You will not be condemned for it, or for simply walking away from the faith for that matter. That sounds more like a loving God to me.)
Maybe the Gnostics have it right about what Yeshua said. I don't know much about them. This whole channel started with a fundamentalist I knew who finally irritated me one time to many with "you just have to read scriptures" as if I hadn't so I decided to formalize all the research I have been doing for years. Cheers, Ludwig-----DCF
I just played this twice in row,another amazing video.Ever wonder what percentage of people have this ability to think objectively like us? I'm curious.
Not many--cheers. DCF
I don't think the implication is justified. I, like many others I have seen, have done lots of research, critical thinking and analysis and have become stronger believers.
@@RockyRoad213Great, then show us what convinced you, and then let us try to verify it. But you can't use the Bible to prove the Bible, that's right out.
At 0:01,
I reject it because I didn't ask for it, because I don't believe I'm guilty.
This is mafia tactic crap.
Video over.
like alyosha karamazov before me I reject this so called benevolent being and his cruel world the suffering it will never be made up for with a thousand crucifixions and so yes I refuse his gift anyway hes the one who allegedly created hell sooo he's not even saving me from anything
The god hypothesis is not necessary to live a good and fulfilled life. I've got receipts. Christians have their opinions.
"I've got receipts, they have opinions" --that's funny Peabody--cheers, DCF
Honestly, eternity is a very long time. I can not really imagine anything worse than living it.
The "gift" isn't free - it costs obedience for your entire life. The only one you know you have.
Not to mention that the mainstream narrative of Jesus is borrowed from earlier Egyptian mythology. There was many characters that long predates Jesus that “ rose from the dead” and “ born from a virgin” etc. Dionysus turned water into wine. Dionysus long predates Christianity. It’s all mythology.
You know, I only have brief reading of "where the resurrection myth and narrative came from"--as in older mythology---that is going to be a research project in the future. I have one coming on the 10 commandments from Egyptian tradition but not the resurrection etc. Cheers, Scorned-----DCF
Hogwash. See Dan McClellan and others on this. Like he says in several of his videos debunking this 19th century suppositional anthropology, show me the primary sources. I'll wait....
@@byrondickens There's a channel called Atheologica where he specialises in comparative religions. Go watch his videos.
Con games always begin with the offer of bait.
About 7 years of age I knew Christianity was full of fictional nonsense.
It isn't merely nonsense. It is monstrous nonsense.
This is sad. I had a tremendously spiritual awakening. I was accused of having had a subjective biased experience with no evidence. My experience was the opposite of subjective & biased because it happened to someone who was committed to a narrative of Self Worship (as subjective as it gets). What happened to me was uninvited, unexpected & undeserved, pure Unmerited Grace. As a former Cosmic Nihilist/Atheist I can attest to the fact that what occurred was a visceral intrusion upon my being by Holy Spirit. There was no rhyme or reason for this to happen from any logical sense given my past or personal beliefs. I was just as angry & asking for ‘proof’ as any of the multitudes of atheists I have met. None of them smiled, none of them were fulfilled, none of them loving or kind. Dead eyed, soulless, mean, contrarian snobby a holes. I am Grateful to not be part of the camp of people filled with resentment against God, exiled to the Desert of Self, chasing their own mirage believing in Nothing. It’s a Death Sentence.
PLEASE tell me you did the bare minimum and asked this Holy Spirit for "two forms of valid ID" (the DMV asks for three when I'm standing right in front of them!).
If not, next time it intrudes you (unless the Spirit says 'this is the last visit'), please remember: 1) please ask for its ID (or another way to verify its identity), 2) please ask it what it will do tomorrow. Please ask nicely (rather than angrily) for the address, time, and the name of its next intrusion target/person.
(Number 2 is more important).
Then me and a couple of buddies would love to join you to verify that it shows up at that time, place, and for that person. Maybe we can meet at the address a few minutes after the time it gives you - so as not to disturb the Spirit’s work. Then we can knock at the door to talk to the intruded person it had identified - to begin to verify such an event.
If valid, the person should give a similar account to yours. (We can even ask this person to repeat this verification process to improve the error bar of our test).
This should give us great non-subjective evidence - and will be fun to boot!
I have no resentment against any god but I'm hoping you are just as curious as I am to verify, unless you can suggest an even more objective method to accomplish this verification and help others to believe.
Sound like a plan?
I’m not angry, If God has bestowed on you knowledge of his existence & that’s what it took for you to find your faith, then good for you. I don’t understand why you seem to have such a low opinion of people who have not been graced with a similar divine revelation. Do you think that your gifted divine knowledge made you become a better person? It seems to me that now you choose to see the non believers & doubters as something less than yourself.
Such a strange post. Where are all these atheists? Did you live in Austin Texas? Who meets atheists all day long? Where? The ones I meet seem happy and helpful.
I am thinking you are referring to people on line and presuming they have dead eyes and are unhappy. What are of the world has atheists all over identifying themselves? This post does not ring true.
Take the risk of thinking for yourself, much more happiness, truth, beauty, and wisdom will come to you. Christophe Hitchens
I’m trying to convert back… just in case, but their making it so difficult.
As for this free gift, it’s actually more complex than a works based salvation.
The latter is a one step but the free gift is a two step, especially not once saved always saved.Now you need to Believe AND do good works.
And you need to believe in the right things above and beyond accepting Jesus died on the cross for your sins .
Very succinctly put.
You can copy this as a script for every religious indoctrination.
Mine was islam, but almost exactly similar.
Barring of course the ideosyncracies added by every subsequent cult.
superstition - noun
1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
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I have to disagree with one of your points. I don’t think eternal life would be wonderful. Quite the opposite, especially as portrayed in Christianity. If nothing else, it would make life meaningless. Where’s the good in that? Christians like to say their deity gave humans “free will” because it didn’t want robots. But if we “lived” for eternity doing nothing but this deity’s will, how would we not be robots? Eternity as a robot is infinitely repulsive, never mind spent in the company of Lee Strobel, J. Warner Wallace, Ray Comfort, and Kent Hovind. No thanks.
Lee Strobel and Hovind for life. I might call that hell. Interesting points--cheers, DCF
I love the idea of eternal life. I find it a privilege to serve God and I love spending time with other Christians. I love gospel music and imagine there is nothing that compares to the singing of angels. I would much rather spend forever with Christians than atheists. Nobody has to make me a robot to choose to serve God. I do it willingly. I don't understand those who see serving God as bad.
@@jbutero1
I have a higher moral standard than to worship or serve a God who demands to be loved and worshipped, at the threat of eternal torment.
The God of slavery, who made owning people as property permissible by his own laws.
The God who, according to the Bible, was so angry of his own failure, and could not think of a better way to mange his anger than to drown pregnant women and babies.
And issues eternal torment for temporal actions. Which could never be just, and can never be moral.
But hey, the music is good.
@@moonshoes11 You are just repeating atheist talking points hoping to get shock value. I have read the Bible over 20 times cover to cover. I know what God is like.
@@jbutero1
I’ve attended Seminary. I’ve read the Bible multiple times.
Reading it twenty times can’t make it true.
But you’re going to pretend you understand my motivations for posting, better than I do…to the point you’re telling me what they are?
Also, are you incapable of addressing any of the points?
And are you willing to explain why you worship a God that drowns babies?
Tell me, which of my talking points is inaccurate?
Gift? Promise. Extraordinary promise, but still just a promise.
I've had spiritual experiences since I was 18 months old and still do at 44 years old. I don't know all things or pretend to know how things work, but I can't deny what I've experienced, or see it as just something in my head, as I also have witnesses to some events. However, I do believe we do need to question some things so it's not harmful to others or ourselves. Just like human vision, we need to understand that we may not comprehend all things straight away or know that there's more than what the natural eye perceives. But things do exist outside our current understanding, and I'm eager to find out what that is and if it can be used to bring about a better state of happiness to all if wanted. I believe a being called christ did exist and figured out how existence works and knew how to hack the system in a way that could uplift us all. I'm not against positive change as long as it's not forced or interpreted wrongly.
Good one.
I thought that Mohammed was Allah's last prophet, that many (if not all) the prophets of the Old Testament and Jesus were also prophets of Allah, but that the Jewish/Christian scriptures misrepresented them. Mohammed was supposed to be the last prophet who taught the whole truth and revealed the Quran. It should be noted that I have never practiced Islam and have never read the Quran so I could be mistaken.
That is the general idea in Islam yes although some minor sects don't think this way.
I have read the Quran from cover to cover---it does talk about many of the OT figures and the Muslims I know believe that Mohammed clarified known "truths" as they truth via their interpretation. Like Joseph Smith---although I am no expert on Islam except in brief passing here and there. Cheers, Darwin------DCF
I’m currently reading the Bible for the first time. I want to see for myself the content that so many believe. Juddi Krishnamurti says there is no god, that one will find truth if they look inward at themselves. Through ongoing investigation into this matter I also find that the bible is taken literally by many. People believe that there was a Noah’s Ark or Adam and Eve serpent. etc. Bill Donahue has many videos explaining the Bible where it is not taken literally but through allegory and parables, explains that the book is all about human consciousness. So I guess people will have to decide for themselves what works for them. Faith or investigation into the matter. I have found though, that if one looks inward and is truly honest with his or her self you can’t go wrong.
No argument with that reasoning but the fundamentalist lectures us all that it is all literal and provable---which is how this channel got started---cheers, DCF
To me, the fact there are even two contradictory religions in existence, each with convinced believers, each with their own set of justifications as to why they are absolutely right and the other is absolutely wrong ALONE is enough to make it OBVIOUS that if I was sitting here convinced that I was right - even with my handy set of justifications - that FOR CERTAIN I am extremely likely WRONG.
Combine this with the fact there are thousands, many with completely different concepts, some claiming NO gods, or many gods should put the thought to rest, dead and buried, and that it's laughable there was ever a long-lost hope of one’s religion being substantively correct.
Please return when there is ONE unified world religion in complete agreement, then we can BEGIN to discuss any demonstrable claims.
Well said--cheers, DCF
Read the story of Yeshua, the failed god who became human and tried unsuccessfully to save humanity from eternal damnation. All you have to do is believe it to make it true for you.
When I read the Nicene Creed and The Baltimore Catechism 60 years later after I had been forced to memorize it and repeat it every day as an indoctrinated Catholic I to laugh at how incompatible it was with reality.
What about the people (like me) who were not raised in it. Instead, I was involved in other things (witchcraft, new age, buddhism, etc) and Jesus saved me out of all that. I had a supernatural experience that led me to a born again experience. I was not brainwashed as a child. Had no religion growing up. But Jesus was able to reach me even though I spent 30 years thinking the bible was b.s.
You were obviously of a mind to buy into supernatural explanations already, as evidenced by your belief in witchcraft and new age. You just switched from one cult to another. Try not jumping to supernatural explanations so quickly. Occam's razor: the simplest explanation is usually the best. I used to believe in ghosts, until I really examined the evidence around all my supernatural experiences and realized that there were natural explanations that explained all these events more simply and concisely.
I notice the vagueness of “Jesus was able to reach me” which can be translated more accurately as you imagined he reached you.
Since you can’t demonstrate it happens in reality.
You can believe that. But you cannot distinguish your “supernatural experience” from delusion.
666 views atm
How do you explain the undesigned coincidences littered throughout the gospels?
Explanation? They're coincidences. That are littered about. Just like you said.
Why You Really Really Don't Want To Live Forever by Brett Gallaher Huffington Post
The Christian worldview is the ONLY worldview with Love Truth Morals Logic Science... ALL other worldviews MUST borrow from the Christian worldview, in order to make sense of itself!! 😀 😀 😀
Really and pray tell, what exactly did Judaism and Hinduism, for example, borrow from Christianity? Actually, Christianity `borrowed` from Judaism. I say `borrowed` loosely. More like stole from Judaism. One of the more famous concepts, "Love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord!" Straight from the Torah. In fact, most of what is attributed to being said by Jesus, came directly from Judaism.
@@somersetcace1Half of the Bible is from the Tibetan Book of the Dead
@@JaysonT1 Bullshit. Let's see the sources.
@@somersetcace1 Jesus is a jew you silly goose. who never sinned.. hello.. lol ..
Ignoramus. Love is a lovely word for a primitive human emotion. Truth must surely mean assertions that correspond to our understanding of objective reality. Religions are simply subjective beliefs. All human societies have moral systems. Logic: seems to me the ancient Greeks were polytheists, deists or agnostics. Science again has its roots deep in prechristian cultures.
Of course, you evangelicals don’t even read your own book, let alone any other books.
Ignoramuses.
6:28
Why wouldn't you include women and children?
oh, just clarifying that with the Israelite warriors that on average if each had one wife and child it would equate to 1.8 mil at minimum. I've had people refer to only the exodus number of men. Cheers, DCF
You believe the Bible is not true and that God, if He is real, has not communicated with mankind in any way that is trustworthy. Is that what you believe? The logical conclusion of your beliefs is that we don't know anything for certain about God, if He exists, or about what religion, if any, God endorses. We are left to guess about it all with no known way to prove our guess are right or wrong. Same for morality. If the Bible isn't true, then morality is subjective at best or does not exist at all. Quite the predicament.
This supposed "free gift" is hardly FREE, it comes with an enormous baggage of epistemological, intellectual, emotional, and behavioral demands.
If nothing else it requires me to turn a blind eye to the realization that it's the SAME Bible providing the spiritual/scriptural framework that BOTH defines me as having something wrong with me (Original Sin) and provides the "cure" (Salvation through Jesus), sounds like a snake oil con game to me.
No thanks.
Indeed we must ask ourselves whether a truly benevolent God would strip us of all but one way of salvation. So two people, one a devout Jew and the other a convert to Christianity, both damned by Nazi Germany, are sent to a gas chamber to die of Zyklon-B. The devout Jew prays "Shema Yisroel" and the Christian of Jewish origin prays the Lord's Prayer. Would a benevolent God send the devout Jew to Hell while sending the convert to Christianity to Heaven?
I ask another question: if God exists, then who are we to define Him?
According to many Christians, even the Christian in your scenario might well not qualify for Heaven if he or she didn't subscribe to the right flavor of Christianity or practice it correctly; it seems to be a VERY exclusive club.
As usual 3:45 bold falsehood. “No single authorship of resurrection witness”. Wrong, while the authorship of the gospels are contested, the authorship of Paul’s letters aren’t and he’s a witness to Jesus being alive after crucifixion.
Paul claims he encountered the resurrected Jesus. First one has to accept that Jesus even resurrected. And even if you do believe that, you now have to take Paul's word that he had a run in with Jesus, as no other witnesses can verify this.
Authorship of Paul's letters is extremely contested. Many are obvious forgeries.
There are NO first hand accounts within the gospels for ANY first hand claims to witnessing a resurrected Jesus.
Paul’s experience was a vision, and it happened years after the resurrection. Paul had never met Jesus.
@@moonshoes11 NO first-hand accounts? what are you talking about? All the gospels are based on first-hand accounts. It says so right in the text. so you are clearly not basing it on the text, you are basing it on some other assumptions. So please clearly state your assumption.
@@icedragon1000 Really? _Luke 1: Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as ```they were handed down to us``` by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word._ That is the definition of hearsay, admitted in the very text itself. ALL gospels huh? You might want to check that again.
Turning my back on something is much different than I don’t believe in your b.s.
But your point doesn't make any sense if Jesus is the truth
@@RockyRoad213 if it’s true. Which you have no way of showing.
@@RockyRoad213 The sentence "Jesus is the truth" doesn't even make any sense. What definition of "truth" are you using? Can you tell me so I can understand this phrase?"
No evidence of slavery in Egypt. You clearly did not do your homework. When atheists themselves and never have been believers can point to the exact time and place you are either mistaken, misinformed or a liar. Agnostic Egyptian Scholar David Rohl will point you to Avaris. See Pattern of Evidence the video series by Tim Mahoney.
Avaris was a pocket of slaves that were most likely Hebrew--not global. And I have four videos on the Patterns of Evidence with Rohl. (two or three are out and the other scheduled). I would concede he gave convincing evidence Joseph of Egypt existed. But that was all and the rest was speculation and bad speculation at that--taking some historical truths and adding other truths. Cheers, DCF
Patterns of Evidence has been debunked. Even Inspiring Philosophy doesn't support it.
Fact 1: if U was born from the Spirit of God then U will never end up in a Lake of Fire (even if U no longer believe for decades).
Fact 2: calling Urself christian or even acting like one do not mean that U already born from the Spirit of God.
Fact 3: it is not reasonable to make video about christians and not explain what christian according to U is.
Fact 4: believing in God by no means that U are Saved, as it is necessary to believe true Gospel.
To make it simple to ALL:
U calling Urself a christian?
What do U mean by term christian? Follower or disciple of Jesus Christ? Then Judas Iscariot was a christian also while he never believed?
In case U define that christians are only those that are born from the Spirit of God, then what about those that are Children of God (born from the Spirit of God) but live like devil? They will be in Heaven or in a Lake of Fire according to U?
U believe that dirt with stones means that these believers are Saved (never end up in a Lake of Fire) or not?
In case christians are only those that are born from the Spirit of God and also willingly chosen to serve God (be disciples of Jesus Christ), then how many Saved categories we have? Only christians are Saved? Or all Children of God irrespectve what they do or don't do?
To ALL, especially christians:
In case that tales about Hell would be Truth, who of U would want to live for God, help others (pray, Evangelize and etc) instead just that God would kill U right now and take in Heaven?
Ur good news: trust God, repent for Ur sins, have hope, or more likely false hope, that U be Saved in the end, work hard for God but take zero credibility, play lottery, oops U failed and now U will burn in a Lake of Fire.
Do U really think it is good news? Either Eternal Life is Free Gift from God with Assurance and Security, or it is just a lottery with ur life and eternity that tend to end in a Lake of Fire.
Here is the Good News:
Jesus Christ love U and died for Ur all sins (past, present and future) that U would be reconciled with God if U just believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead according scriptures for U sinner. It is Free Gift so God expects that after U accept it then U act as He wants but it is up to U and once U have Eternal Life then U will never end up in Lake of Fire irrespective what U do or don't do. In other words, God give U Eternal Life (Hell Insurance) if U just believe and allow U to do what U want, and just face consequences for Ur bad actions in life. Should U submit Ur life for spreading of God Kingdom, be disciple of Jesus Christ? Yes, U should but not must for Eternal Salvation.
Regarding hardcore proponents of Lordship Salvation:
To the hypocrites like Urself ofc Jesus Christ suffering, death and resurrection from the dead for Ur sins by just believing is cheap grace, as Ur works+Obedience (Hard Grace) > Jesus Christ work (Cheap Grace).
U promoting 'Lottery gospel': works will not Save U, U need Saving Faith (calvinistic idea), believing is no enough without actions, U can't have any Eternal Security, Trust Jesus Christ and if U obey Him enough in particular space/time then U might be Saved and win 'Jackpot'. That is trusting Urself, no peace and great contradiction to real Gospel where Jesus Christ states that His yoke is easy and He will not cast anyone that will come to Him.
Think this way. In case, U are wrong regarding Gospel, U now on Ur way to Lake of fire. If U would believe Free Grace once now then U still could live as U live now (Lordship Salvation) for God all Ur life (or then U do what U want because only fear of punishment now hold U back, and actually Ur love for God is dead?). In case, U are right what U believe then U play in Lottery and expect to be Saved in the end.
You don't know what Judas believed. Jesus called Peter Satan at one point. You don't know what any of these people believed, how could you? The apostles except one didn't even know who Jesus was when they asked. Judas showed remorse.
But are you saying that people never believed? What do you mean, what does Judas even have to do with this? Who in their right mind would believe in Jesus but not follow him? It seems a demon was put in Judas in one Gospel, so did that make him betray? Kind of a set up if that happened, no?
The lake of fire is not in the Old Testament. How do you explain that?
How do you know it exists and is not a metaphor? Aren't there metaphors in the Bible and isn't John the most symbolic and weird of all? How do we know John was not making up a story to scare Romans, or that he was a bit loony, although a creative writer. No insult, but it's possible he was a very creative writer and possible prone to a mental illness or perhaps he used intoxicants. He was a human right? Will there be a real seven headed dragon? That seems symbolic to me, and maybe just something from his imigination.
Is if unfair for people to think critically?
@@joecheffo5942 Jesus Christ Himself in Bible tell that Judas Iscariot never believed. Yes, Judas was also possessed by devil, as U claim. Read Book of Revelartion 11 chapter and ask Urself why John mentions figuratively city if everything is figuratively in that book? Dragon is both symbolic and also depiction of devil. As U know, even horns mean both kings/rulers and kingdoms. So, there is more possible interpretations than one but only one is the Truth.
@@dragoncomosaics9282 One truth of what?
Can you define the word truth?
Is it true that 2 plus 2 equals four? And that the moon goes around the Earth?
@@joecheffo5942 Truth opposite of lie. Truth = reality - all delusions. 2+2=4? Better give U example of 1-1=0. If U apply 1-1=0 rule to information it would be wrong, as once U have information and share it with someone U get: 1-1=2. So, can 2+2=4? Maybe. However, in simple standard context 2+2=4, and probably always.
Regarding moon and earth ask NASA if U trust them. It is not clear what do U mean exactly regarding moon goes around the Earth on different than heliocentric model.
I turned from the faith because I was Catholic at a young age as well. I found the real God who loved me at age 24. The more I searched, the more I discovered his name was Jesus Christ.
God has made his way evident to all mankind.
He has written his law on all men’s hearts, such that all men will know that is God incarnate.
I understand how hard it is to have a critically thinking mind in the Catholic Church. I have also come to understand that critical thinking will lead you to God.
It may not mean anything to you anymore, my friend, but I will pray for you. God knows your heart, and He sees your struggle. He still loves you, and I will pray that He enters your heart again.
God bless you.
Thanks for those thoughts--cheers, DCF
The real god is the god of the culture you were born into how coincidental
Those are not just bold claims. Those are blatant lies.
How could you possibly know whether God has made his way evidence to all mankind?
I can tell you for a fact, that is not true…because I am part of mankind and NO God has ever made its existence evident.
Quite the opposite in fact.
You’ve never heard of the problem divine hiddenness?
As for critical thinking, you have no idea what that means.
But if you’re going to pray, pray and ask God what would convince us he exists.
Then let us know. Are you willing to consider this? Or do you already know this can’t work?
Jesus the failed end times preacher?
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*Jesus is clearly speaking to the disciples and gives a timeframe for when the Son of Man would come.*
"Jesus sent these twelve out, charging them, saying: Do not go into the way of the nations, and do not go into a Samaritan city. But rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And going on, proclaim, saying, The kingdom of Heaven has drawn near" (Matthew 10:5-7)
“Truly I say to you, ***you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes”*** (Matthew 10:23);
For the *Son of man* shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; ***and then he shall reward every man according to his works.***
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here will not taste death*** before they see the *Son of Man* coming in his kingdom (Matthew 16:27-28)
Truly I tell you, ***some who are standing here*** will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God (Luke 9:27)
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Mark 13:30)
*He says that the coming of the Son of Man will be accompanied by:*
The sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
Then will appear the sign of the *Son of Man* in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the *Son of Man* coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Matthew 24:29-34)
There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the *Son of Man* coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
Truly I tell you, ***this generation will certainly not pass away*** until all these things have happened (Luke 21:25-32)
He also falsely prophesied to the high priest, the Sanhedrin and Nathaniel.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to the high priest and the Sanhedrin (assemblies of either twenty-three or seventy-one rabbis appointed to sit as a tribunal)
You will see the *Son of Man* sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and ***coming on the clouds of heaven*** (Matthew 26:64) (Mark 14:62)
Except the high priest and the Sanhedrin never saw Jesus sitting at the right hand side of God, or coming on the clouds of heaven, or any such thing.
*Jesus falsely prophesied to Nathaniel*
Jesus also falsely prophesied to Nathaniel when he declared, “Rabbi, you are the Son of God; you are the king of Israel.”
Jesus said, You believe because I told you I saw you under the fig tree. You will see greater things than that. He then added, ***“Very truly I tell you, you will see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man*** (John 1:50-51)
*Nathaniel never saw any such thing. Neither did anyone else.*
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Also look up:
Watch *Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet, Historical Lecture - Bart D. Ehrman*
*"End Times - Evil Bible .com"*
*"The End of All Things is At Hand - The Church Of Truth"*
*"ex-apologist: On One of the Main Reasons Why I Think Christianity is False (Reposted)"*
*"Jesus the Apocalyptic Prophet - History for Atheists"*
(Tim O'Neill is a former Christian and is familiar with most of the Biblical scholarship. He's been studying the scholarship and history for decades)
*"Jesus’ Failed Prophecy About His Return - Black Nonbelievers, Inc."*
Also, how cognitive dissonance possibly explains early Christianity.
*“The Rationalization Hypothesis: Is a Vision of Jesus Necessary for the Rise of the Resurrection Belief?”* - by Kris Komarnitsky | Κέλσος - Wordpress
*"February 2015 - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* - Isaiah 53
*"Jesus and the Messianic Prophecies - Did the Old Testament Point to Jesus? - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
*"Did Jesus Fulfill Prophecy? | Westar Institute"*
*"Jesus Was Not the Only “Prophet” to Predict the Destruction of the Temple - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"*
*"What Do the Apostles’ Deaths Prove? Guest Post by Kyle Smith. - The Bart Ehrman Blog"*
@@moonshoes11 It's cute how religious people talk about critical thinking, when they never employ it when it comes to their religion.
Poor Poor Poor man Yee with no faith, it's impossible to please God without Faith, you have nothing to lose believing, but everything to lose withou it, this is so sad to see I didn't finish watching because it to painful to watch.I pray that you'll wake up soon before it's to late.
It is not too late for you to learn how to spell. If you are going to parade your credulous superstitions in public, at least do others the courtesy of spell-checking.
Faith is worthless if it is in a vain thing. Faith in young-earth creation is belief in something scientifially false and morally empty. I am satisfied that God can use godless people to serve His Plan.
If you take things on faith, I have a bridge to sell you. Just trust me - I'll make you rich. Send me $3000 investment (cash) and you'll be a millionaire. Just have faith!
@@paulbrowerI wish you well; you'll see in the end. Please forgive my misspelling. There is no need to argue; the proof will come sooner or later.
@@paulbrower That’s grand, Paul. I wish we godless could be so certain you god-botherers could be trusted to serve democracy..Of late your co-religionists seem intent on imposing Christian fascism, a form of sharia.
What a bunch of rubbish. When you receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit, you will have no doubt of the truth. Read the Bible yourself very carefully.
superstition - noun
1a: a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown, trust in magic or chance, or a false conception of causation
b: an irrational abject attitude of mind toward the supernatural, nature, or God resulting from superstition
2: a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary
Merriam-Webster
So if I "receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit..." Huh? It sounds like I ALREADY was convinced.
As a Christian, I've read the Bible cover to cover more than once, and studied if for hundreds of hours. Until, that is, I took the blinders off...
Would you want a personal relationship with anyone that threatened to have you tortured if you refused?--- Matthew 13:49-50
Would you befriend someone who condoned owning other people as property and allowed you to severely beat them just so long as they didn't die right away? -- Exodus 21:20,
Who called for the execution of gay men? --- Leviticus 20:13
Who thought the role of a wife was to submit herself to her husband? --- Ephesians 5:22
Or if their virginity was found to be suspect on their wedding night, be put to death? ---Deuteronomy 22: 20, 21
Someone who commanded Israelite soldiers to 'kill all the little boys but save the little girls for themselves'? --- Numbers 31: 17,18
Someone who drowned an untold number of newborns and toddlers, not for anything that they'd done but for the sins of their parents? --- Genesis 6-9
I wouldn't. You might be THAT in need of having an imaginary friend to cope with life's difficulties but I'm not
@@gordon3186 Thank you. The best way to make a Christian a non believer is to have him read the Bible.
@@oldpossum57 --- *"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” ― Isaac Asimov*
I never knew how good it felt to deny all that shit i was lied to about God and Jesus…. I never asked a man to die for me in fact I will pay my own price for my faults I am not some scape goating coward…Maybe my sins would not even warrant Jesus to die for me did these idiots in church ever think of that?
It’s an Honor to SIN against the Evil God of the Bible i mean just read about that killing machine to humans ! He was an Alien not a God !
How are you able to reject something that hasn’t been demonstrated to be actually true like a real thing I mean, what did Jesus sacrifice nothing but a weekend he went straight back to heaven we came from Christianity. What a wacky religion…
Jesus sacrificed his weekend for your soul.
Jesus sacrificed nothing? Are you serious