Jesus Never Claimed to be God
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If the bible isn't true and is mere mythology then it doesn't really matter whether or not Jesus claimed to be God. But Bart and Alex both know deep down that the bible(God's word) is completely true and authoritative. Thus if they can show us that it doesn't support Jesus's divinity then we must accept it for God's word must be accepted.
Sadly, this is just a hateful attack on the Son of God. But no one ever had a reason to hate the perfect Christ. As He Himself said "They hated Me without reason." John 15:25
I see no reason why Jesus would not call himself god as going by the verses of the Old Testament the only difference between Adam and god was eternal life, so are we not gods, yes you are (Psalms) and so was Jesus.
I think the current fixation for Jesus being god in the church is just theocracy making him the most important sacrifice. So they had to make the trinity etc etc
EHRMAN DENIEES JESUS’ CLAIM TO BE THE SON OF MAN BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT IS A CLAIM TO B GOD
By Ehrman’s criterion of DISSIMILARITY, not only is Mark a reliable Gospel but the verses quoted from here are valid because Jesus refers to the son of man in the third person [see Ehrman, “How Jesus became God”, p59, pdf version]
Premise 1: The Messiah sits at the right hand of God [Mark 12:35-37]
Premise 2: The son of man who comes on the clouds, sits at the right hand of God [Mark 14:62]
Conclusion 1: The messiah is the Son of Man who comes with the clouds.
Premise 3 (from conclusion 1): The Messiah is Son of man who comes with the clouds.
Premise 4: Jesus identifies himself as the Messiah [Mark 14:61-63]
Conclusion 2: Jesus, claims to be the Messiah, son of Man, who comes with the clouds.
Premise 5: The Son of Man is given worship that is due to only God! [Daniel 7:13-14, the word for worship here is פְלַח [pelach, Strong's number 6399 ] and is used in Daniel ONLY for deity, not persons [compare Daniel 3:14, 3:17]
Premise 6: Coming on the clouds is an Old Testament motif applied to only God! [Isaiah 19:1, Psalm 104:3]
Premise 7: The son of MAN IN Ezekiel, shares God’s glory [Ezekiel 1:26-28]
Premise 8: Ehrman agrees, noting in his book that the Son of Man sits on the throne of God and shares His power! [Ehrman, How Jesus became God, read from p39]
Premise 9: God shares His glory with no other being [Isaiah 42:8]
Conclusion 3: The Son of Man Equal to God in nature.
Premise 10 (from conclusion 3): The son of man is God.
Premise 11 (from conclusion 2): Jesus claims to be the Son of man
COCLUSION 4: JESUS CLAIMS TO BE GOD!
@@tommyrotton9468Did you hear Enrmann admit that the he calls himself God in the book of John, at least?
@@micahhenley589 Is this the "atheists don't exist" argument that's trendy lately?
What about me? Do I also secretly know Jesus is real?
When I got past the fact that religion is basically people arguing over their interpretation of fan fiction, this stuff is incredibly fascinating from an anthropological perspective.
I just learned a new word, anthropological. Sounds interesting.
@@PerfectByClipI am anthropological fascinated about how you didn’t know that the word anthropological existed until now
"Fan fiction" is your ignorant fantasy !
Re: "fan fiction"
So true, lol. What Christians don't realize is that these debates sound like an argument about whether Han shot first or if Balrogs have wings to a lot of us nonbelievers.
Like, I can get into any of those debates for the sake of doing it, but then I pull back and think how weird it is that _people assign cosmic, existential importance to the issue of whether Balrogs have wings..._
Unfortunately that's not what the truth is
Love that you had William Lane Craig and Bart Ehrman on to talk about the different positions on the historical Christ, would love to see this done with more theological takes!
Let's repeat to those godless and souless alone hipocrite, which you does not neet respect for the follow reasons: When you see people talking contantly about something they do not even believe in you should already know that is a cult that have nothing to offer to you, but you are a western godless idiot and hipocrite how can you get it??? Real No respect for you...
Real those godless alone people are that stupids and do not deserve any kind of respects... They are all here to kiss some godless ass... they should get from the point those godless people who they like to kiss their ass, that they talk always, and are obsessed with something they did not even believe that Atheism is a fraud and a cult... (no respect for their dishonesty to get it). why they do not get it???) But I guess you are a western, always the worst... and now even in Godenier version. No respect for you....
Now, Let's repeat for those godless hipocrite who always spend so much time to talk about the nothing they think they will be once death, and run to kiss someone godless ass, because that is what their new no sense cult "called Atheism" lead those people to do...
See those godless rats do the only thing they an do run once they see a godless videos, that what you rats can do when you are lone godless idiot, you have no God and no Community. So many reasons to do not have any respect for you rat Goddenier idiot
Here other more enjoy to see how more disgusting and idiot you modern godless idiot are:
They are not called atheists but western godless and soulless modern idiots: who is a western godless and soulless idiot a) someone who fallows this new bullshit almost never existed before b) someone who does really believe God to exist cares about his or her opinion c) someone that will believe from now constantly that he will be Nothing once death, poor cursed idiot... D) someone that does not have any kind of Spiritually, (how can can someone without God or soul have any kind of spirituality??? No go no soul no spirituality (why do you even live???) E) someone who will pay afterlife infront God F) someone if he is right mostly he will Be NOTHING once death but if there is God and we are right and his or her heart will stop he will not know what to do once God will ask "why you did not believe in me" (what would you say?) (What a fool) G) someone who will feel strong now to deny God but hopefully he will not need, because if he will get down, depressed, older, alone and closer to death God is only things he get, but he is so stupid to do not get now H) someone who doesn't not even have an actual community I) someone who see atheist on Internet the term atheist and go writing some shit because he got no community... L) someone who deny his creator which we called lier m) a goddenier so a lier by definition...
M) is someone who decide to do not have by purpose a sacred things as God and for free (what a poor person!)
N) we got what you do not and give us much force and for free.
O) someone who have very much few things to believe in. Let's say that if you do not believe in God, what do you believe humans (I believe in Humanity as well, however: wars, genocide, cheating, bad talking, and so on) what hell is left?
P) someone that does not God R) therefore if you do not know God or have in your miserable life how can you deny what you do not know??
How to pity those fools and their miserable life to be so????
(No questions as you godless and soulless hipocrite, but actually answer)...
Anyway. No respect for you at all. You may not believe now, but you do not know if you will pay this modern idiocy to deny God in future... Wait and see, wait and see, you fool. (So think next time to write certain things or to be a godless and souless idiot, because there is very few things you can lean on)... if we die nothing will happen to us, as wewill nothin as you think we will be, but when your heart will stop, well infront God, when he will ask you why you did not believe in me what would you say??? You are playing with the fire, your problem Godless Fool!
Why n yuo want follow only you instincts as f** animals but they change all the time and you as human can get crazy and think killing is God... How to pity your miserable life, you Godless idiot, for real? Only a godless idiot can call God, which is all an imaginary friend, for real you are disgusting. Modernity and its idiots. (by the way this channel is getting more and more ridiculous talking about and be obsessed with something that they do not even believe... Only godless and soulless idiot do not get it, why?)... Hope you will no need God in your life because otherwise you will be fuck* up searching for the nothing you are and you believe in. No respect for you and your family, your mom and father who rise up such godless idiot.
Be ready to cry because of God is real you will be fu**d up, and all this for not believe for free and in a simple way. What poor person you are....
Np hope for you and respect for this godless generation hope for the next one to be better then you.
(you sand on Nothing, the nothing you think you will be and now cursed to think so constantly, even if you will not admit it). You are just fool yourself, how to pity your miserable godless life?
laugh and enjoy the life now, because in the future you will be scared for denying God, your creator...
They are alone... Poor modern godless idiot. No pity for them...
Their really need to kiss godless people ass .. disgusting human being.
that does not make any sense dude. God is all-mighity and all powerful he can see you and can even stop your heart in any moment, so. So think twice before be a godless and souless idiot because the world and God does not go around you and what you think about him.
But you want just fool yourself just trust none expet you that are a disgusting godless idiot No respect for you.
They really deserve to die alone without God. How can anyone can pity your miserable and godless alone life? No respect for you modern godenier, you do not deserve it... The are fighting against something they can never win, God.... What fool people! The what is so positive to do not have God, Soul (as a freaking robots), an actually community, live and die alone as a godless fool? And why do you always talk about something you do not even believe in (God)? Are you a godless and soulless modern idiot, then live like that, right?
You are into a cult where you are alone and you do not even get it. Are you that smart you godless alone idiot?
I just have enough with those people and the cult they belong to and the obsession for what they do not even believe, what hipocrites! Their just pathetich alone human being. No pity for them. Of course God made it, who alse your mother made it??? Anyway as always you godless and soulless alone idiots, have nothing to offer to us, to yourself, and to the world. No respect for this godless alone pathetic generation. That how this new Cult "atheism" makes you alone idiot, and with nothing actually to say, because you are based on the nothing you think you will be once death. (but they love to kiss godless ass, they run for it, Disgusting) No respect for you and the family who raised you so stupid and alone...
Reallly they have nothing to offer to us, to the world and to themesleves, that stupidity and lonlyness.
(this channel is getting more and more ridicolous and who said the opposite is a godless alone hipocrite).
we godless and souless modern alone people are obsessed with someone who get riched be obsessed and talking constatlly about somethin he and you do not even believe. You are ridicolous. Another reason to not be like you.
Atheism leads to Nothing.
No God
No Spirituality
Not an actually Community
Only Loneliness and Obsession for God and what you do not even believe anymore.
But yes be disgusting Godless ass kisser...
Let me ask some questions (be honest to answer): the first question will be... how does you feel to have less sacred things in your miserable alone godless life then us? And then why are you into a cult that leads to nothing? And why you are a part on something that have nothing to offer to us believers, but loneliness?? and finally how can you deny what you do not know or have in your alone godless life? and why God should care about what you think to exist? Go and be honest once in your life you Goddenier.
(Do not write to this message if you actually have nothing to say, as you always godless people do... What waste of lives yours, for real).
If you had some dignity you must be ashemed to deny God... But you do not have any, right???
why? theology is just fantasy.
@@matswessling6600 It's really interesting
@@Nitroade24 no. its like discussing the material in bat mans mask... useless.
@@matswessling6600You could make that case for anything if you stretch it far enough. If you don’t find it interesting don’t study it then.
And ˹on Judgment Day˺ Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary! Did you ever ask the people to worship you and your mother as gods besides Allah?” He will answer, “Glory be to You! How could I ever say what I had no right to say? If I had said such a thing, you would have certainly known it. You know what is ˹hidden˺ within me, but I do not know what is within You. Indeed, You ˹alone˺ are the Knower of all unseen. Sorat al maida
That sums it nicely and confirm what should he common is that Jesus is a messenger of God not God almighty himself in human flesh!
How do you know? Just because you read it in a book composed of the sayings of a wandering 7th century brigand, many of which were lost to the wind and goats?
@@hugolindum7728As opposed to 3rd century anonymous writings that have been chopped and changed and altered thousands of times? Your logic is flawed.
And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen. I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness. If You should punish them - indeed they are Your servants; but if You forgive them - indeed it is You who is the Exalted in Might, the Wise”.
Holy Quran Surat Al Maeda (5: 116-118).
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
This to me is a perfect representation of what freedom of speech is supposed to be. It's an open discussion about sensitive topics but it's not mean spirited, derogatory or condemning a group of people. You can agree or disagree, but it's just too guys having a discussion. Love it.
@@WillofGodwhosoever as long as you do not shove your beliefs down my throat I do not care.
@@WillofGodwhosoever I went to church for 4 years and have either read or heard most of the New Testament. I have nothing but positive things to say about Jesus. If Christians actually did what he asked them to do and lived by his example this world would be a better place.
But sadly they don't. And in my experience Christians are more likely to mock Jesus than anyone else, especially with their actions. And the various Church's, for so much of their lifetime, have been the worst offender.
And really it's not your place to know where I go when I die. It's just your opinion. And I'm grateful we live in a society where I can agree or disagree. But either way, whatever is in store for me, it's not up for you to know that. But you're kind of presuming if I don't say, believe or think X then God will do Y. But your faith is for you and your soul, not mine. You presume to know my path when you say you have mercy but that's not for you to decide. You can ask God for mercy for yourself but it's not your job to dispense it to others. That is God's. You're supposed to treat others as you would anyone else.
you are deluded pls, stay away
This isn't even particularly remarkable in terms of the flow of the discussion. This is simply what two adults with an ounce of respect & education look when having a talk/debate. We're just so used to people interrupting and yelling that whenever people talk this way it seems fascinating.
@cygnusprime6728 yes, %100 agree.
I remember as a kid being very confused about the passage of the sin forgiveness precisely because he didn't directly reply with "I'm forgiving your sins".
Sin is a word the religious use to keep you toeing the line. It is not a real thing.
@@billgreen576 I'm not talking about present views and I was referencing the passage that was mentioned during the discussion. Certainly there's a lot of control motivating the creation of all organized religion.
Jesus did say He was God.
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say He was God.
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say He was God.
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
john 9:17
"He is a prophet"
Yes, Jesus is/was a prophet of GOD on earth.
That being said, the scriptures also reveal that Jesus was more than a prophet however, in-that He is the only begotten son of GOD and appointed heir to the throne of GOD.
No hes not
Prophet is someone that proclaim and spread God's word. Yes, Jesus is indeed a Prophet, but not just a Prophet, He is more than that.
@HalleluYAH7
Matthew 21:11
And the crowds were saying, “This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee"
John 4:19
The woman *said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet
the most references to deity come from john, who was not eyewitness of
@@smalltimer4370 melchezedek the king of jerusalem was on the same level as jesus according to you. he had no mother, father, and never died and was there helping abraham.
Thanks Alex and Bart. Excellent video. :)
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Thanks for the bunch of claims.
Do you have any good and sufficient evidence for these stories that you were once convinced were true please?
Without that someone could quote the Quran or Vedas back at you with exactly the same authority.
Happy to hear what you have.
@@grayintheuk8021 Thanks grey for your open mindness
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Son of Man is a reference to a specific prophecy in Daniel. It's like some people have blinders on while reading the Bible.
Many have tragically.
Son of Man is used throughout the old testament, not just Daniel. Over a hundred times.
@@saberswordsmen1 The Son of Man is a title when it's stated as "the Son of Man." That title is referring to the Daniel prophecy. Try again.
@@markwhite116 "The use of the definite article in "the Son of man" in the Koine Greek of the Christian gospels is original, and before its use there, no records of its use in any of the surviving Greek documents of antiquity exist.[3] Geza Vermes has stated that the use of "the Son of man" in the Christian gospels is unrelated to Hebrew Torah usages.[5]"
it's actually what the first century Jew thought, which is who Jesus was talking to.
Of myself, i can do nothing..
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Who was Jesus prayed to and why he learned and didn't know the season and hour
@@drilonkrasniqi9928 He never sinned, He becameman so He could die a sacrifice
Receive the love of God or the Hate of the devil. Be Holy or be sinful. Choose light or stay in the darkness. Be selfless or selfish. Life or death. Right or wrong. Win or lose. Sins forgiven or spend eternity paying for your sins. Heaven or Hell. Choose life, choose Jesus today.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ignorance and rejection of truth also can lead to everlasting hellfire human are being blessed 🙌 out of many creatures by their creator to think not to be fed a senseless believe there's only 2 communities on this planet that believes in Jesus came and go and will surely return and the written is on the wall it's up to use God given knowledge and find out with sincerity and he will surely show you the way
@@drilonkrasniqi9928Because he was fully human. He’s also fully God. Everyone in this comments section just found out about day 1 reddit tier arguments smh
Having re-read Mark (et al) after this, he certainly very strongly implied he was God.
GOD worshipping GOD, makes no sense whatsoever
The view that GOD would send Himself as a man on earth, only to deny being Himself, as well as undergo stress, for letting Himself down in obedience, is all so completely silly, that it simply cannot be the concluded as the truth.
I mean, in all fairness, the level of contradictions with such a view, prove to be nothing short of insane.
And yet, so many people seem driven to put faith in the absurd, and all because degenerate men said so - not Jesus, or any of the approved prophets, but very, very clearly, based on the word and direction of other sinful humans - having no place whatsoever in the written truth of GOD.
Read the scholars version, not a confessional translation.
still implied He was God there, too @@someguyusa
@@BELPHECROW Did you go purchase and read Mark in a scholar's translation? Or are you just talking out your butt now? Because I just completed a college course about it, and it does not imply what you claim. Go read A Brief Introduction to the New Testament as well if you honestly want to know what the texts meant and how reliable they may or may not be.
Did you read that in kj version or niv?? Because there are definitely different
I'm Christian, so I'm very biased against the argument from the start, but it seems incredibly unlikely to me that the "historical Jesus" did not claim to be God, he was killed for blasphemy (and rose from the dead, although non-Christians would dispute this so we'll set it aside) and then all his closest followers got this brutally wrong and claimed he was God.
That another reason why I can not be a godless alone person: well I am not jelous and desperate because other people have God in their life and trust him, while you have not 8but you can not admit)... The reason behind thos godless alone people talk always about God and Christianity is that there is nothing much to talk about Aheims... it is just an empty Cult, plus it does not lead to anywhere and leads to nothing.. . then atheism lead only to the lonlynes (as you do not have God in your miserable Life, we have what you do not, you Idiot)... And you run to kiss godless ass for that... You just worth as your cult, so : 0... No respect for you...
But let's hope for a better generation, this one is so lost... They left God for nothing.
Let's really Hope in a better generation. (and keep remember God is what you do not know, and as any Goddenier you are a lier).
(Do not write me, you are not wroth of my time)
They are realy pathetic as their cult called Atheism... and can not pity for that... and mostly kiss godless ass that talks contantly and more then we believers about Christianity and God, you can not be that stupid and alone to do not get there is something broken and wrong in atheims and its BS. No respect for you.
Atheims is full BS and trash (nothing good on it)!
The idea that the Jews wanted him killed for blasphemy is a later creation of Roman gentile Christians who wanted to shift the blame for the death of Christ. Jesus was crucified for the crime of attempted treason, for claiming to be the king of the Jews, when the Roman Empire claimed control over Judea. There were definitely Jews who viewed him as blasphemous, but he was brought to Roman authorities under the charge that he would cause another Jewish revolt against the empire, so Rome killed him. Also, we have no works for his original disciples, only from anonymous Greek writers, who obviously plagiarized each other, so no one is saying his disciples were wrong, because we don't even know what they believed.
Just one question , so you acknowledged Jesus was killed "allegedly" because of blasphemy ?
@@AbelOktavian is this addressed to me or above me?
@@JtheCritic I don't see any of your comment, It shows me that this comment has 4 replies but i don't see them, bug probably .
but if you believe Jesus was killed for blasphemy ( claiming to be God ) sure you can try answer my question and share your opinion.
respectfully.
Read it with me again. " The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
That another reason why I can not be a godless alone person: well I am not jelous and desperate because other people have God in their life and trust him, while you have not 8but you can not admit)... The reason behind thos godless alone people talk always about God and Christianity is that there is nothing much to talk about Aheims... it is just an empty Cult, plus it does not lead to anywhere and leads to nothing.. . then atheism lead only to the lonlynes (as you do not have God in your miserable Life, we have what you do not, you Idiot)... And you run to kiss godless ass for that... You just worth as your cult, so : 0... No respect for you...
But let's hope for a better generation, this one is so lost... They left God for nothing.
Let's really Hope in a better generation. (and keep remember God is what you do not know, and as any Goddenier you are a lier).
(Do not write me, you are not wroth of my time)
They are realy pathetic as their cult called Atheism... and can not pity for that... and mostly kiss godless ass that talks contantly and more then we believers about Christianity and God, you can not be that stupid and alone to do not get there is something broken and wrong in atheims and its BS. No respect for you.
Atheims is full BS and trash (nothing good on it),
You ignore every other instance where Jesus himself places a superiority in the person of God..above himself. You're not listening
@@cezar211091 We shall not call to those patehetic clowns... we know godless alone people into this modern cult are so hipocrite, they will never believe in God... But they talk constantly about him even more then priests... How ridicolous they can be?? IT IS A CULT, an empty ones. where people can only come here to kiss their disgusting ass, that does not teach them or give them anything. Pathetic.
Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
They even have less sacred thing their alone miserable f
Life. What fools!
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
They have less sacred things then us... what an idiots they are for that too.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost.Can we move for the next one? Do. not write me, you disgusting godless ass kisser (you left God and your dignity for this empty cult called atheism).... Do not tell me if this is not but an empty cult.
Yes, because he was calling himself the son of God, that's a claim of divinity, not a claim of being God Almighty.
You think such concepts were incomprehensible for Jews?
One of the earlier titles for their god was literally God of Gods, Elohim; poor translations had made it so that every use of the word "god", be it in Greek or ancient Hebrew, is translated to capital G god, which is incorrect.
@@cezar211091 where did you get that from? Building your strawman ,eh? Look, just because Jesus doesn't say it in the manner how you wish Him to say it, doesn't change the facts. The people from antiquity clearly understood what Jesus waa declaring.
Yes, we acknowledge that the "right hand" humbles Himself as a man, giving full authority to the Father, as He walks the earth.
This passage is clear in what the Pharasees are saying. You pretend that this is a Christian interpretation, yet here are Israelites knowing damn well what the messiah is revealing.
Great conversation. I always appreciate thoughtful conversation that takes a logical and thoughtful approach and not blind obedience to tradition.
They lie in the conversation though because Jesus claims to be son of the blessed one in Mark (the first gospel) so I don’t know what Alex and this guy are on about here. Mark 14: 60-62. Believe what you will but they lied here
What's the logic behind saying such a shameful, disgracefull LIE? The Bible clarly mentions dozens of times when Jesus said HE IS GOD. (Ex John 14: 6-11). Maybe the Satan in this guy didn't let him read those parts...means all the Bible. How would this person teach his children not to lie when he lies as he breathes. Such a disgrace
@@bbb11110 I don't know which version of the Bible you are reading but Jesus does not say he is God in the Verses you mentioned.
@@dogzdigital Any version
You guys are quite entertaining, thanks for the video
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nah i aint gonna worship a dead body its paganism and its forbidden in the 10 commandments
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363How jesus can save you if he couldn’t save himself?
This is pretty insane that part claims that he never claimed to be God, I feel like he should know better according to the source material.. the Sanhedrin literally tore their robes after he said he'd be at the right hand of the father and said what more do you need to hear, crucify him, they knew he was putting himself equal to the Father.
Exactly right - not to mention that this is direct reference to Daniel 7 in which this 'Son of Man' would be in the presence of the Ancient of Days (God) and that He would be worshipped by all nations and languages. Only God is worshipped, hence the Sanhedrin's reaction.
When discussing topics like this to a large audience proper Bible study is so important
Being on someone's right hand does not make you equal. This is basic semantics.
@@mohankang8062 Yes, more needs said, like citations to support your disparaging claim.
@@mohankang8062 Support for this "assessed fact"?
Jesus already addressed that issue early on in his ministry when he quoted Moses who said “ye are gods.” He understood that we ALL have the spark of the divine. He was just the one sent by God to demonstrate what a fully realized son of God looks like. We ALL have that same potential of self realization since we ALL were created by the same God.
There's a couple of times here when he talks about Pilate wanting to kill Jesus......didn't Pilate want to release him and was he not a bit surprised when the crowd decided to release Barabus?
As soon as he acknowledges Luke, he's been duped...
Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament.
This guy is wrong.
The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God.
These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say many times He is God.
He also PROVED He was God by doing:
miracles to prove He was God.
Healing all sicknesses and diseases
Raising the dead
Walking on water
Controlling the wind and the sea
Turn water into wine
Casting out demons
Talking about the future what would happen
He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once
Telling people about their hidden past
Forgiving sins
While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord
Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance
Rising from the dead after three days
Luke 2:7
And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist).
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Yes. But that's probably one of the parts where the Gospels aren't reliable. Do you know that there are parts of the Gospels that aren't reliable? "How can you tell the difference?" You'd ask... Simple: you ask Bart Ehrman. And don't go asking for contradicting evidence or any kind of proofs! The fact that Ehrman says it should be proof enough!
@@deductivereasoning4257 explain please...
@@JCMcGee Luke and Paul were clearly grifters - if they were even real. Luke, who was most likely Greek, is known as the physician. Well, what medicine was he handing out? How was any medicine not ritual based? Why is it not common knowledge as to what he was handing out as medicine?
Luke said to trust doctors because their knowledge was given to them by God. Uh, how is that not proof he was grifting? And then, the Catholics, who push Luke more than anyone, created the 1st hospitals.
And why are those 2 the most pushed apostles when there are like 50 others? I mean, they didn't even run with Jesus, so why are they the most relevant? Makes no sense other than a grift.
Paul claiming to be blinded and healed is the easiest ailment to fake. And then, was his name Saul or Paul? If he is was so relevant, why any confusion?
I’d say Jesus never even claimed to be God in John. Although John does portray Jesus as being unique or divine in some way, he still never claimed to be God. And any verse where he’s mistaken claiming to be God is grossly mistranslated or misunderstood.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
Jesus claims to be God! God in the Flesh, in human form! Before Abraham was I Am! Read your bibles people again and again. Don't ask me to prove it, you prove it. You are are truly blinded By Satan. These men are pure heretics and false teachers, wolves in sheep clothing. Very sad. Your all still very lost on this! Praying for all of you! 🙏🙏🙏❤
Why would Jesus have been crucified in an especially drawn out and brutal manner if he never claimed to be God?
If he were merely claiming to be messiah and causing a stir, surely he would have received the typical expedited form of crucifixion instead of being scourged and forced to carry his cross for long distances?
The written records show, Jesus was found guilty of death for claiming to the Son of GOD and Christ(Messiah)
That said, the sentence itself stemmed from the Mosaic Law, stating that anyone who lies in GOD's name shall be put to death - therefore concluding that Jesus was in-fact lying about His identity in GOD's name(YHWH), and was therefore worthy of death as a result.
@@smalltimer4370 they were baying for blood and wanted him dead. Pontius Pilate even tried to coax some mercy out of them.
There’re a lot of prophets killed in brutal manner , it’s not something new…
Well here is the thing, the jews even before the coming of christ were waiting for their promise from god of a "kingdom" for them, when jesus came to them claiming to be a prophet with all of the miracles and signs that proves it, and told them about the kingdom in heaven, well for the jews at that time it wasnt the most pleasant idea when they realized the promised kingdom was in heaven, as they had thought it was supposed to be a kingdom on earth, and the jews and their love for this life they rejected the man's message and claims, not because he was a prophet but because he wasnt the prophet THEY wanted...
but the jews didnt care about killing him because simply killing him wouldnt have helped them disproving his message which they didnt want, so they wanted to disprove his status of a prophet of god, now how do you do that? One of the laws of judaism is that whoever is crucified on a tree is deemed cursed in this world and hereafter, a prophet of god just simply cant be cursed so they schemed to crucify him and the rest is history, also if he was just claiming to be a god the jews couldve just killed him to prove he wasnt a one, since yk a god simply cant die, they didnt need all of this crucifixion, but to disprove someone's status as a prophet you needed something ever specific, which is the crucifixion, and since a prophet is still a human and they know he could die killing him wouldve made them lose their chance to curse him and disprove him and his message.
The "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts.
Who told you that "the "anointing of kings" was a regional custom (Ancient Near East) that began long before the Israelites existed. It's spoken of in Hittite and Akkadian texts", and why do you believe them?
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Correct me if i am wrong in any of what i say. At 9.12, Alex says Jesus sent the disciples in his name before his ascension. That's in John, but they are explicitly referring to the synoptics, so this doesn't make sense. Besides that, Jesus calls them to forgive others the same way he does on the sermon on the mount, so there isn't that same level of authority given to forgive sins, thus not giving them divine status.
In Matthew 26:64-66, as many people refer to, the priests tore their robes off at his blasphemy. I couldn't find any other meaning of blasphemy, both greek and english, that didn't refer to misuse of language when coming to God. The 1st century Sanhedrin knew exactly what that meant (he did not deny the title 'Son of God' rather He said they were right in saying this) and so accused him of this.
To refer to why he was killed, Bart I'm sure is right. His plaque by the cross read 'King of the Jews'. But the Jews who did not believe in Jesus twisted it to make it sound like He was claiming to be above Caesar, which resulted in death. The Jews still knew exactly what He claimed to be and wanted him dead for that, but couldn't charge him legally (again not 100% sure).
Finally, if Jesus was not God, his sacrifice means nothing for the forgivness of sins. If Jesus was a man highly inspired by God (yet still only a man), this means that there was a way to live free of sin. Jesus came because, as Paul said, "All have fallen short" and "the wages of sin is death". Therefore humans simply cannot live the life we are expected, but Jesus came - fully God and fully human - to live a perfect life we cannot attain, and produce a better covanent as Hebrews talks of. Thus before God we stand pure and clean because of Jesus' death and resurrection, and whoever would believe this may have eternal life.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
How about the coming back to life part?
No matter if he SAID it ir not, THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CANNOT DIE
Calm down dear, those that abuse capital letters not only emphasise nothing but the hysteria of the abuser but also declare to all the world that they are raving lunatics.
Creators! last i asked Zues said he was partying with Thor and Odin to do some lightings on earth...
@pawoon, your mouth is the creator of the creator of the universe out of nothing but saliva with atoms
He gave up the ghost then resurrected. The tomb is empty..
true
In regard to forgiving sins, are we not forgiving the sins of each other? We do forgive sin in this regard. I was recently discussing this with my wife and realising that we have the authority very much like Jesus. He also calls us brothers and sisters levelling the field.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
In revelation Heaven comes to us. Aren’t we not now in God’s presence?
@@TheStudiolight Right nowyou are experiencing the common grace of God with the ability to breathe, peace, joy, friendship but when you die it is either put on full blast where you are forever joyful (Heaven) or all good things get taken away (Hell) , choose Heaven by choosing Jesus today therefore repent and believe the Gospel
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
How many time did in the book of John did Jesus refer to as the "I Am" - the same I AM in the burning bush that came to Moses.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Jesus also said"Dont call me good. Only God is good"
He never said 'Dont' call me good. He said 'why' do you call me Good, only God is Good.
What he said ^ and then Jesus goes on to call Himself the Good Shepherd.
yeh....the character in those stories supposedly said a lot of things, and you have over a thousand different denominations disagreeing on virtually every point he supposedly made.
these days when i hear ''Jesus said'' i realize that what the person is saying that ''my interpretation is that Jesus said'' and every person has just as much evidence as the next making them all indistinguishable .
Why do you call me good? 😂😂 FFS get your polemics right.
@@brianbridges8124 Actually most denominations agree on most things in the Bible. They very much agree on the Jesus said stuff. Please try for yourself. Go to a Baptist Church and then a Methodist Church. then Lutheran and keep going. You will find they agree on most things, I am talking about the Christian mainstream. You appear to contradict your claim in the first paragraph with your claim in the second.
John 14;28 "For my father is greater than I" is a very clear distinctiom from God even in Johns gospel
Not necessarily a father has authority over their son the God head is ultimately at top the thing is the sons will is the exact same as the fathers and the son will naturaly inherent the fathers inheritancee and that passes on to us through Christ
@@carolinpurayidom4570 make that make sense pls
@@user-hx1ob7sl8oThe Father and the Son share the same nature of deity (Being the one God) but are distinct in function/person.
My father is greater than I, doesn’t mean I’m not human, it means he carries greater authority over me and I submit myself to the will of my father. Likewise, Jesus follows his Father’s will therefore the Father is greater than him in authority.
The trinity is coequal and coeternal in nature, however distinct in authority and function. If the Trinity were a triangle the Father would be at the top with the Son and Holy Spirit being lesser in authority.
Does this clear it up for you. Equal nature (what God is) distinct in person (function and purpose)
John is the ultimate fan fiction written 60 years after the fact.
That’s why it’s the synoptic gospels and then there is John.
John is dedicated to formulating Christology.
Their overexplaining things to the point of ridicule smells like fish. @@rayhill5767
I just watched one of Prof. Ehrman's videos on theodicy and thought how much you would appreciate him, so I did a combined search for you two guys and was delighted to find this excellent interview.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
This dreadful interview is based on Ehrman's ignorance and narrow mindedness. Watch ''Bart Ehrman Calmly DEBUNKED With Scripture & Logic'.
@@marcokite I can’t prove God exists, but I can show evidence that He does. Proof is universal and uniform like 2+2=4 or proof that gravity exists. On the other hand, evidence is more personal and is different for each person, what some people consider as evidence others do not.
I have received a miracle, seen the supernatural, think its impossible to get something from nothing, see the order in the universe , too many strange things happening like thinking about someone and seeing them shortly after, humans having way more value than animals (the punishment for killing an animal is more severe than killing a dog).seeing all the hate and love Jesus gets and more.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.@@marcokite
How I knew as a fact that Jesus wasn’t god was when I read that Satan tempted him and offered Jesus the world
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363This is all Pauline theology, or Pauline doctrines and ideas, not teachings of Messiah Yahushua.
doesn‘t proof jesus aint god bruh
@@alt_of_trollotvHow could Satan (basically a disgruntled ex-employee) offer God in his human form the world? Doesn't make any sense.
@@NJards-zt4fp satan didn't even succes to tempt him and also i dont see why it makes no sense to y'all
I don’y understand why so many people think the argument of “Jesus never claimed he was God” holds any water or is effective at scrutinizing Christian claims. Jesus did not need to say to his followers “I am God, the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity, eternally begotten by the Father” and have that quoted verbatim in the Gospels (which skeptics dismiss as unreliable sources anyways, so it wouldn’t matter even if that was recorded).
-Jesus does reference his divine identity across the Synoptics, and additionally claims the authority to do things that the Jews typically relegated to the authority of God.
-Jesus does not correct anyone who calls him God, nor those who treat him like he is God
-the demons in the Gospels recognize him as God (who, as preternatural creatures who know God but hate him, ought to know a thing or two)
-Anyone can claim to be God, just go to any psych ward. The difference is that Jesus shows his divinity through his actions before revealing his identity with words.
-the fact that the earliest Christian writers of the first and second centuries had to combat the heresies of Docetism (which claimed Jesus wasn’t human), attests historically to the fact that the disciples (people who knew Jesus and knew the people who knew him) and the first generations of Christians already believed de facto that Jesus was God and took that position for granted a priori.
"Jesus did not need to say to his followers... [I am God]"
If he didn't need to say it, then it's weird that the Christian church decided to explicitly claim, from the Nicene Creed onwards, that Jesus is God front and center making it well nigh impossible for anyone to misinterpret or misunderstand the claim.
Well if Jesus didn't need to say he was a god then you don't need to believe he was. I as a true follower of Jesus (peace be upon him) care very much about what he did and didn't say
Jesus did say He was God.
this guys lying
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
@catholicsamurai
God is Powerfull.
If Jesus disciples knew that Jesus was real God.
Why they run away when Jesus cought, as in mark 14:50.
Seems they thought Jesus was only human being.
Thats so stupid, imagina im not claimed to be david and people keep saying im a guy named david. Whos crazy here me or the people lol
At around 4:10 Ehrman says Jesus claiming to be God wouldn't have got him killed. Then at around 14:44 he says Jesus would have been stoned to death for claiming to be God.
They would have stoned him if they were in control of the Holy Land, but they weren't. They needed Roman permission to carry out a death sentence, but Pilate wasn't interested in Jewish religious law. So the Jews stirred up the crowd, threatening an uprising. Pilate had him crucified out of political expediency/cowardice, not a violation of religious law.
No he says the Romans crucified him for sedition not for claiming to be God and that he would have been stoned by the Jews had he claimed to be God.
Jesus was most likely crucified for claiming he was the king or messiah(anointed king) of jews which is blasphemy in a way when the Romans were the king of jews and were the ones anointing the Supervisor supplanting the role of Yahweh.
Also crucifixion is about leaving the body to rot for numerous days and allowing insects and scavenging birds to eat the flesh. So Romans would not have allowed the removal of the body after death, so the 3 day resurrection is also a creation of Jews who had lost their power and faith in their own god in face of the Roman Empire.
@@OrichalcumHammer False. The majority of scholars agree that Jesus was in fact crucified, and taken down from the cross to be buried before the Sabbath. There were actually eyewitnesses that wrote about it. The Jewish leaders had Jesus crucified, so they didn't create the resurrection story. That's the last thing they would have wanted to happen. They hadn't lost faith in God, but had rejected the promised Messiah. You're just way off on the facts.
@@michaelharrington75 First the jewish god Yahweh was k1ll3d completely & absolutely by the Romans. So I don't agree with Jewish sources because they are fictional camp fire stories of sa-vag3 unc-vilized tr-bal people. Was Pharaoh Ramesses II who was considered as god king by his people, un-alived by ins gn ficant l3sser god of Jewish tribe known as Yahweh & Moses?
Does it take 44 years to travel from Egypt to Israel? Open world map you will see lies vanish from front of your eyes in real time.
Roman accounts are very clear, some humans love their bodies and would not want body des3crated as they d ie and after they are d e-a- d . crucifixion serves the dual purpose of humil-ation for the person crucified and example for others. Hence bodies of almost everyone crucified was left as display for several days. Roman account and Egyptian accounts are factual real history.
Watch the full podcast of Alex and Bart Ehrman where he addresses the question you asked.
God, who created everything, raised the dead, parted a sea, healed lepors, wasn't able to say the words, "I am God, and you are to worship Me."
Make it make sense.
Because the word God didn’t exist then. God introduced himself in genesis “I am who I am” God is “to be, to be” forget the word god. You are trying to categorize something that is beyond space and time. Your question you’re looking for an answer for doesn’t exist. Don’t think of the word god and a category. God is “to be.” When you understand that. You will see the answer to your question is all throughout the Bible
you are suffering from a bad translation , he never said that.
@HalleluYAH7 revelations is the words of John , to the Asians:
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father-to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”[b]
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”[c]
So shall it be! Amen.
8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father - Jesuss clearly says that he frres us to serve HIS FATHER, HIS GOD.
When Jesus says " “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God ", he is clearly speaking for his Father, and His God.
Jesus was not saying that HE is God.
And this is the words of Jesus, according to John.
So no Jesus did not claim to be God in Revalation 1;8 ,
Jeusu was CLEARLY saying that , the lord god, his father (Jesus's father, and Jesus's god) said : " I am the Alpha and the Omega"
@HalleluYAH7notice how all the verses come from John
The same exact gospel writer that pushed a burdening tradition of father and son unlike the first three gospels
The word God was used by Jesus himself in John 17 3" this is eternal life that they may know you the ONLY true God and Jesus Christ whom YOU SENT"@@awecballwin77
I think its possible that explicitily saying Jesus was God in the early Synoptic gospels could have been too dangerous and that an oral tradition which said the more explicit things existed alongside written testimony. John is then called to write it explicitly later on
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Dr. Ehrman addresses this at 3:47. One: Jesus was not crucified because of his religious message; he was crucified because he was becoming potentially politically dangerous, hence Pontius Pilate labeling him as "king of the Jews." Two: Even if we take the Gospel of John to be correct here, it would still not make much sense since in it, Jesus early on in his ministry proclaimed his divinity, which would've exposed him to dangers. Either way, the dangers would've come from fellow Jews who would've stoned him (illegally) for blasphemy.
43. He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.” ’
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?”
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
excellent video... great questions, clear answers... wonderful production standards
Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament.
This guy is wrong.
The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God.
These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say many times He is God.
He also PROVED He was God by doing:
miracles to prove He was God.
Healing all sicknesses and diseases
Raising the dead
Walking on water
Controlling the wind and the sea
Turn water into wine
Casting out demons
Talking about the future what would happen
He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once
Telling people about their hidden past
Forgiving sins
While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord
Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance
Rising from the dead after three days
Luke 2:7
And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist).
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
That another reason why I can not be a godless alone person: well I am not jelous and desperate because other people have God in their life and trust him, while you have not 8but you can not admit)... The reason behind thos godless alone people talk always about God and Christianity is that there is nothing much to talk about Aheims... it is just an empty Cult, plus it does not lead to anywhere and leads to nothing.. . then atheism lead only to the lonlynes (as you do not have God in your miserable Life, we have what you do not, you Idiot)... And you run to kiss godless ass for that... You just worth as your cult, so : 0... No respect for you...
But let's hope for a better generation, this one is so lost... They left God for nothing.
Let's really Hope in a better generation. (and keep remember God is what you do not know, and as any Goddenier you are a lier).
(Do not write me, you are not wroth of my time)
They are realy pathetic as their cult called Atheism... and can not pity for that... and mostly kiss godless ass that talks contantly and more then we believers about Christianity and God, you can not be that stupid and alone to do not get there is something broken and wrong in atheims and its BS. No respect for you!
Now look at what the critics say so that you can get a balanced view.
Highly educated men straining at gnats.
@@chrisburright9854 LET’S REPEAT THO THOSE GODLESS ALONE PEOPLE TRAPPED INTO THIS EMPTY CULT THAT DOES NOT LEAD TO ANYWHERE BUT OBSESSION AND LONLYNESS…. POOR FOOLS AND LIERS AS ANY GODENIERS (By the way this godless alone people who you leak his ass is just ridicolopus like you and your atheism) Why godless alone people are obsessed with God?? and talk about him more then a believer? Well for many reason.... 1) About that BS called atheism there is not much things to say, no value, no sacred things and and it leads to nothing. 2 And then because they know they are so many godless alone people that will run to kiss their ass... 3 they do that so this cult can be alive, otherwise is destined to vanish, exactly from the nothing it comes... because is nothing but a cult that has nothing to offer to us and neither to the godless alone people who belonged to 4 And finally this cult will be vanished without those videos and those godless alone people will be just alone.
And who said the opposite is a godless alone hypocrite.
This cult called atheism is so empty... And those godless alone people really have nothing to offer to themselves.
They have less sacred things then us... what an idiots they are for that too.
Let's hope in a better generation because this is so lost.
You are into an empty cult that leads you nowhere... No respect for you, godless ass kisser.... You really left God to put BS and emptiness in your miserable Life. No Pity for you. (God is always you do not know)..... We need to move to a better generation, and Hope godless alone people like you will not exist anymore in the future (you are worthless your cult called atheism).
What you realised that Etheism is just an empty cult?
That Have nothing to offer to you, or to the humanity?
It leads to nowhere?
To the Obsession for God?
For Christianity?
That there is not comfort on it???
We have what you do not have (God) and more and precious things in your life that in your godless alone miserable life. Poor fool
And that live and die as an alone godless person is not the best you can have?
Just as have the idea that once you die you will be Nothing (and Nothing you are now, as you become what you think you will be once death) is not the best for your mental and psychological stability?
Or have sacred things (as other people have) and you do not (such God) is so idiot that you are rething about everything and start to believe that Atheism is not but a BS, and a trap you are in????? Those are just pathetic people just as their empty cult called atheism... Let's hope in a better generation and forget about this godless one......
"I and the Father are one" sort of leaves little room for ambiguity...
Jesus revealed that we too are destined to be one with GOD the Father as Jesus is one with GOD the Father - and so I'd say there is definitely room for ambiguity
@@SmalltimR Jesus is saying 'Just as we are one in Nature may you also be one through GRACE'. Jesus is God, Ehrman is a pseudo-scholar who propagates these popular claims for money and fame. But I think he knows the truth deep down or is simply illogical.
@@CatholicSpiritualCrusade
He doesn't say that at all - as there are no such words written - but moreso, it is you who is now adding this to scripture in saying this, and in an-effort to cater to your own beliefs.
Whereas scripture on the other hand, spells it out clear as day - '...that they may be one, JUST AS WE ARE ONE...'
And so, in-spite of your attempts at changing scripture, the text is clear as day - and moreso, that you are therefore proven wrong as a result.
And let's be clear - this is not about convincing you or anyone else for that matter of anything - as the truth is never dependent on such things, but moreso, the point in question is about the truth revealed in GOD's written word - of which, we are all in subjection to.
@@SmalltimR That’s the correct interpretation. Don’t play your unitarian heretical games.
Just as/as we/like we denotes the ONENESS not the nature of the oneness. Now go and read John 17:5 heretic.
@@CatholicSpiritualCrusade
If you were not a liar, then you would have cited the words and passage in honor of the truth.
Though as it is obvious that there are no such words written anywhere in scripture, you now exposed yourself for adding to GOD's written word rather than adhering to the written truth.
Here again, having no bearing on the truth, or what matters most - have a nice day and and please consider repenting of your ways in- honor of Jesus teaching and commandments.
What about in the revelation where John has a vision of Jesus saying he is the first and last the alpha and the omega
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
That's exactly what some early Christian sects believed, they believed pretty much what Muslims believe that he was a Messiah and Prophet but never claimed to be divine
Its only later and the mainstream Christian sects that force their interpretation onto the words of the Bible.
@@Joe-sg9ll And how do you know Jesus really said all that is ascribed to him?
And stoning someone for blasphemy may not find favour with Jesus.
@@YoD-wh3mn Messiah/Maseeh in Arabic has a meaning, in know Arabic. Its root words M-S-H are used in day to day Arabic too.
@@Joe-sg9llAugustine Tractate 105:
"6. But this *predestination*
He still more clearly disclosed in respect of His own glorification, wherewith He was glorified by the Father, when He added, With the glory which I had, before the world was, with You. The proper order of the words is, which I had with You before the world was. To this apply His words, And now glorify Thou me; that is to say, as then, so also now: as then, *by predestination;* so also now, by consummation: do Thou in the world what had already been done with You before the world: do in its own time what You have *determined before all times*
Exactly.
@@YoD-wh3mnMessiah means anointed one as far as I know in all 3 semitic languages. Thats for sure the meaning in Hebrew. That doesn't make you divine in Hebrew. In the Hebrew Bible a pslam verse says something like: do not harm my anointed ones/ my prophets. Cyrus the great is also called Messiah. It just means anointed one
The fact that Jesus always refers to his “father”, that tells me there is some distinction in both role and power
That is heresy of aroism nothing new
@@gabrielgabriel5177 ah I just call it common sense
@@wsmc14 well you did not understand the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. There is distinction between The father, the son and the holy spirit. Meaning that they are different hypostates. Son is not father and father is not the holy spirit byt the are all one. All of these hypostates have same divinity. There cannot be three gods becouse only one God can be allmaighty. These three are one God. Hypostate of Son speaks to hypostotate of Father.
@@gabrielgabriel5177 lol.... please continue to tell me what I don't understand....
@@wsmc14 our Lord denied us throwing our treasures to dogs. So go and study the scriptures, fathers and teaching of the Church and ask guidance of the Holy Spirit. Maybe he will have mercy.
This is very interesting. Many thanks for this discussion. Does anyone know what’s Bart Ehrman’s view on Jesus’ use of the title Son of Man from the book of Daniel?
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 ok but what does this have to do with my question??
@@steved5960 Aib od Man is actually a divine title used as Daniel saw, so when Jesus claims to be son of Man He is claiming to be God
Matthew 14:33 - Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, "Truly, you are the Son of God"
Nay GOD is Daughter of JESUS
But They wanted The Son Thats Why they Did This To him
There's a verse in the Bible Matthew 24:36 saying
" No one knows when that day and hour will come - neither the angels in heaven and the Son ( the father alone knows ) "
But all knowing guy is ignorant. He never showed up and saved people's arse
That’s one of the many verses that proves Jesus is not God. Satan offers Jesus the world , how is that possible. God created Satan and the world makes no sense unless Jesus is not God
@@raulmaarcheco5099 Yeah and Jesus died at 33 but he only was given his purpose I believe when he was aged 12 and before that he didn't know.
@@raulmaarcheco5099 you are so wrong because since Jesus is God he doesn’t need it cause he’s the one who created and he’s the one who can destroy it and if you just read when Jesus is talking to the Jews that he says he is God and I can give you one that no one can argue John 8:58 “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” He literally saying he’s God and if you actually read the Bible you will found more evidence then that, that say he’s God.
In Acts 1:7 Jesus said “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority". Jesus used the word YOU and not US even though he was present with them, he was implying that he knows the hour, but he did not want the apostles to know the specific time. Jesus said these words after his resurrection, after defeating death.
The channel name may have changed to Alex O Connor but you'll always be Genetically Modified Skeptic to me.
Lol. On a side note: Alex > Drew for me. Drew has this smarmy 🤓 energy that I can't dig
Alex was not Genetically Modified Skeptic, he was Cosmic Skeptic. GMS is Drew.
@keksteig387 I prefer cosmic too but that doesn't mean to say genetically doesn't offer a lot of good things he does got something about gum though you ain't lying
@@OldMotherLogo
the joke
your head
he shouldnt change his name. CosmicSkeptic can attract new people to the channel, while Alex O Connor not so much as it doesn't give any context
I was raised Lutheran and started questioning this over 20 years ago.
Islam answer that.
check catholic church faters
With what? Muhammad fucking a 9 year old named aisha? Get out of here, terrorist@@nationalguard226
@@nationalguard226 Islam answers nothing. Is just a convoluted evil cult. Weren't they the ones that crashed four airplanes and killed 2000+ people because they believed the would get 72 virgins?
@@nationalguard226answers what?
That you get multiple wives in Heaven 😂😂😂😂😂
The event you're referring to is recorded in the Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 26:65, in the New Testament of the Bible. The Jewish leader who tore his clothes in response to Jesus's claim, which he deemed blasphemous, was the high priest named Caiaphas.
During Jesus's trial before the Sanhedrin, the Jewish council, Jesus indirectly affirmed the high priest’s question about whether He was the Messiah, the Son of God. In response to Jesus’s affirmation, Caiaphas tore his robes and accused Jesus of blasphemy, which under Jewish law was a crime punishable by death. However, because the Jewish leadership did not have the authority to execute someone under Roman rule, they brought Jesus to the Roman governor, Pontius Pilate, accusing him of claiming to be "King of the Jews" and thus challenging Roman authority.
This pivotal moment led to Jesus’s crucifixion, a cornerstone event for Christian faith, symbolizing the ultimate sacrifice for the sins of humanity. The accusation and subsequent handover to the Romans underscore the complex interplay of religious and political tensions present in Jesus’s time.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
Thank you for this
JOHN 3:16-20 (READ IT ALL)
. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Cant believe how a statement could be interpreted and debated in so many ways 😂
And that right there is why there are so many denominations of Christianity.
@@jimmyk712 Satan and man are the reason their are so many denominations. God's perfect Word, if God truly exists and the Word is true, is not that hard to understand. It's been happening since the Israelites and before. spinning God's commandments or Words to their own god or will to enable them to live their own ways... or to impose on others
@@0dteESmini No, God is responsible for the plethora of denominations, sin and Satan. According to you he created everything with full knowledge of the outcome…so yeah, it’s all on the big G.
@@0dteESmini is there Bible God’s word?
@@jimmyk712 God is responsible for creating Angels (Lucifer) and mankind perfect in his image, but mankind and angels are not God themselves. with that perfection came the ability to separate from God and think we can do things better without Him. He did create everything and our ability to transgress from the law (sin) but we are not robots. His plan will still be fulfilled and it's on you to decide where you stand for eternity. Do you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit and live God's will... or is it in your best interest to disagree with your Creator and His plan for us? Just as we didn't decide to be born from our Mother, we do not have option to step away from this game board. You have to make a decision, God's way, or your way (under God's final rules).
Damn, dude has the biggest hands I’ve seen proportionally 😂👊
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Yeah and Jesus also said I’m just a messenger conveying to humans Gods message .
lol abdools and their delusions 😂
Thomas called Jesus "My Lord, and my God," and Jesus replied "Now you believe? Blessed are those who believe without seeing." If he wasn't God he would have said not to call Him that. He refers to Himself as the 'I AM' multiple times which led to the jews to wanting to stone him all the time. Multiple times it's said his followers worshipped him and Jesus never stops them. And he claims oneness with God multiple times. This argument that he wasn't atleast implying that he's God is ridiculous.
You ad god here...
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
What about the God that jesus prayed to? If we repent to God (the spirit) who jesus prayed to, do you think jesus will condem you for that? The father is greater than man right? It was God the spirit that brought jesus back after 3 days. In my opinion, you cant go wrong when you worship God in spirit and not the man. Im on a spiritual journey and asking as many questions as i can on subjects im not familiar with. @thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@Nasir.Ali33 Actually God as the Holy Spirit helps you repent and pray and guides you to Jesus. Jesus is the one who reconciles us with the Father.
@@TheRealCSD6 why does he guide you to Jesus?
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The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
then they picked up stones to throw at him, to effectively stone him to death because for him to say he was there before Abraham is saying he in fact is God.
Not what that means
@@cc3775 Thanks for the "Not what that means" you've pointed out your argument for us so neatly.
@@alazar7685 you’re welcome, glad I could help.
what nonsense....he was in heaven with myriads of angels, serving rheir Father Yaweh
@@christiaanwilhelmnieuwoudt7713 1. using a form of the Hebrew name of God doesn't make you a scholar nor right. 2. Read the bible before writing nonsense.
Jesus said : I and my farher are one, thats more than enough
Read it context, what he said next phrase..
You have a child and he is your son and he is an exact copy of you, he's the spitting image of you. Jesus is exactly like his dad in heaven. And they are one in spirit which is the Holy Spirit which they give to us. It's like my nephew he has a son and he looks exactly like he did when he was a child. Jesus is genetically exactly like his father.
My recollection is the quote
----" The Father and I are One".
As the deciples are one?
In the same chapter he says this:
I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one-as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
John 17:21-24
Jesus himself said, “Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, The Father.” There you have it.
He also called himself the good shepherd though
@@skimask_8508 Only in terms of the analogy of a good shepherd who gathers his sheep.
@@GillAgainsIsland12actually the analogy for good Shepherd is God from the old testament .
Jesus: says in every possible way that he is the same as God besides literally saying "I am God" people: See? he never said he was God 🤦
Do the Unbelievers think that they can take My servants as protectors besides Me? Verily We have prepared Hell for the Unbelievers for (their) entertainment. (Kehf 18:102)
My exact thoughts as well. It's ridiculous hair splitting. If he didn't explicitly lay it out, then he did such a good job of showing it that he was tortured and killed.
John 14:28 “for my Father is greater than I”
@@Robert-Re notice how he says 'my' and not 'our'.
Bart Ehrman is just another grifter like Reza Aslan trying to sell books, just because Jesus didn't break it down for dummies doesn't mean he didn't leave massive breadcrumbs. Christianity hasn't waited through 2,000 years and hundreds of denominations, for Bart effing Erhman to finally figure it all out for them.
To not believe in Christian doctrine is one thing, and totally acceptable. Most of my friends are atheists. But to announce that all Christians have misread their own religious text for 2,000 years is the peak of arrogance and delusion.
@@nichobee in other part of Bible he does say "Our" and also the point I raised is he clearly shows that they are no coequal, because father can't be greater if they coequal. you can't be equal and greater.
Alex talking about theology while holding his cup of tea is so british. Love the series, Alex!
Would it still be whatever you mean by 'British' if the cup were empty or contained juice, gin, or beer?If you really wish to annoy an Englishman, tell him he is 'British'
Jesus did say He was God in the New Testament.
This guy is wrong.
The next step is to show you where Jesus says He is God.
These are found in the books of Matthew Mark Luke and John.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say many times He is God.
He also PROVED He was God by doing:
miracles to prove He was God.
Healing all sicknesses and diseases
Raising the dead
Walking on water
Controlling the wind and the sea
Turn water into wine
Casting out demons
Talking about the future what would happen
He multiplied a few fish and a few loaves of bread to feed thousands more thanks once
Telling people about their hidden past
Forgiving sins
While Jesus was alive people around Him addressed Jesus as Lord
Jesus talked about heaven and the kingdom of heaven, hell, sin, the commandments, repentance
Rising from the dead after three days
Luke 2:7
And she (Mary) brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.
And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (John the Baptist).
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mark 1:3
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
John (John the Baptist) did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.
And John was clothed with camel's hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey;
And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Jesus did say He was God.
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Jesus did say He was God.
And he did say it in Matthew and Luke.
This is just ONE example.
This first one Jesus clearly say He is God.
When Jesus was tempted of the devil He tells Him He is God.
Luke 4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.
8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Matthew 4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
@@vhawk1951kl O'Connor sounds very english to me
4:30 Didn't Pontius Pilate want to release Jesus, claiming that he found no blame in Him. He went further and offered the people 2 options of who to release, Jesus or Barabbas and the people all shouted to crucify Him? Also he, Pontius Pilate wrote a sign saying King of The Jews, in Hebrew, Greek and Latin so that all could see, and the Jewish authorities told him to remove it. It does not sound to me like Pilate wanted to kill Jesus. I might be mistaken though... so open for a conversation
In which gospel? If you watch the rest of the video you will find that he talked about Pontius Pilate and how the gospels progressively absolve him of the blame. Just a brief search seems to point to John.
You are absolutely correct. Jesus was no threat to Rome. Pilate and Herod sent him back and forth to each other because neither one had any idea what to do with him. It was the angry mob that caused his crucifixion.
If you watch the whole thing he actually speaks about it. And how Pilate becomes less and less guilty for the later sources. The idea being that the "civilized" greeks and romans actually writing the gospels (that were not jews) wanted to blame the uncivilized jews for the death of the son of God, and not the romans, remember that the early spread of christianity focused a lot in spreading to rome and their provinces, which included a lot of the letters in the new testament. Historically, there is no reason to believe Pilate will care at all about not killing jesus. the romans crucified people in the hundreds. They also spoke about some reasons to believe for why Jesus did see himself as the future king of the jews once god came and bring the apocalipse. And at the very least, some people believed he would be the king of the jews. Which gives plenty of reasons for Pilate to kill him.
I really recomend watching the whole thing, is very interesting.
@@InShadowsLinger missed that part, sorry XD, so what extra biblical sources or reasons does he give for saying that the Bible absolves him of blame, and what would their motive be for absolving him of it? To make the Jews look bad, but they were the very people to whom the disciples preached and tried to convert?
@@diegog1853 Mark 14:60-65, the accuse Jesus of blasphemy, and that in Jewish culture in Leviticus is punished by death. You are right it is interesting, and unfortunately I am guilty of not watching the whole thing through. My mistake on that part.
I wish David Wood come across this polite discussion.
I personally think that if you exclude the idea of divinity of Jesus from Christianity It becomes more reasonable yet retains its powerfulness and attraction. These are my thoughts as a Muslim.
Jesus always maintained his divine status as Son of God. And in most of the text he always refer to Him as his Father. It is clearly stated in Bible Jesus taught his followers the Lord's prayer starting with 'Our Father, who art in Heaven ...." and many a times he refers to God as "my Father". Indeed he never claimed directly to be God but a representation of God by virtue of him being His son. The best example to evidence his divine status as Son and not God is when he was nailed on the cross and in his last few breath he cried out "Father, Father, why have you abandoned me?" or in some other text version "God, God why have you deserted me?" Another instance was when he declared that "I am the truth, the light, and the way. No one goes to the Father but through me." Indeed Christians pray to God but through Jesus, always.
Did you even watch the video? John Gospel the one you quoting is questionable it came last and nobody previously mentions anything like it. If you saw Jesus praying today, wouldn't you pray with him instead of praying to him.
Luke 6:12 KJV
KJV And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God.
WHO WAS JESUS PRAYING TOO?
Matthew 5:9
New King James Version
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
THAT IS LOT OF GOD. exactly the point Bart was trying to make. Reflect on it .
@@kashkash9244 You are an authority on the Bible? For your info, jesus came to me in a dream in 1984 one night when I was at my lowest point. I felt blessed that I have received some divine inspiration and understanding. Unless you have been visited by Jesus whether in a dream or in conscious state, don't lecture me about what is written in the text of the Bible. Believe me, Jesus is the Son of God and he sits on the right hand side of God in Heaven. The scribes who wrote tye text in all those books received divine inspiration when they wrote and recorded what they had received mentally. Never doubt the word of God. No one goes to Him but through Jesus. Understand what the Holy Trinity is.
@@kashkash9244 Read my comments properly. I never mentioned directly or indirectly that Christians should pray directly to Jesus. I said Christians pray to God but through Jesus. Isn't that very clear? For your info, Jesus came to me in a dream in 1984 when I was at my lowest point. I feel honoured and blessed for that visit which has opened up my spiritual being. Unless you have seen him in a dream or in your conscious state please do not lecture me on the text of the Bible. I wonder the guest on the video, from the high pedestal that claims he is from, actually had any divine intervention or any divine inspiration at all. He is speaking from the angle of his human understanding and therefore expressing his opinion (which is not perfect). Jesus is the Son of God and he sits at the right hand side of God. Do not doubt what is written in Book of Revelations. John who wrote it was under divine inspiration and not under his own mental acuity. Scholars do not clearly understand the text written during that era and they start imposing their opinion on them as the right interpretation of this and that. They forget most of the text are written in representative or what we would call today as coded form. This is because they were writing for the benefit of posterity, for people of future generations. So they hadto, at times, relate things not as they appear during the writers' era and cukture but in tepresntative coded form so that future generations, if duky inspired divinely, could then understand. John in Revelations talks about the prostitute seated on seven hills. Which scholar understands what is he representing in the writing. The Vatican City sits on the seven hills of Rome. That's what he is saying. But the Vatican was not even born during his time so how did he know? It was a divine revelation to him about the future. So, beware all doubters. All things written in the Word of God will come to pass. Remember the text of today were transcribed ftom the original books which were written in Abrahamaic/Hebrew and some meaning were lost during translation or misinterpreted . Take for instance the reference to Tree of Knowledge and the fruit that Adam ate. It has got nothing to do with knowledge. In Hebrew the word "know" has sexual connotation.. The Tree of Knowledge is actually about reproduction process. That is why the snake (satan) enticed Eve to seduce Adam. And Adam eating the fruut should be very clear to you now or need I explain further? That is why immediatrly after that act they both realised they were naked and became ashamed. And why did God out of the blue punish Eve by cursing her with labour pains when giving birth after Adam ate the fruit? Think about it. Scholars are scholars, unless they have divine inspiration their understanding is not perfect. As to the Tree of Life itt is our DNA which today humans are trying to be God by doing cloning, splicing, etc. Know the truth. Jesus gave me a source of inspiration that when I read the Bible from whatever versions I get an innate understanding that transcend the literal words written in the text. Scholars see the text as in its written form. I perceive them beyond just seeing. Peace be with you.
@@CCLow-jr7um You had an experience which nobody can validate but you refuse to see the history or historic fact that Gospel of John which came later on claim something was never claim by any of the earlier Gospels. Hinduism is the oldest religion I bet many have their personal experiences and they would gladly share that with you. This about seeking truth. This about Salvation unless it's just a joke. Should a man ever stop learning and put a blinders on. Per say if you saw Jesus praying to God. Will you pray with him, the way he prayed or pray to him as he is praying to God . He basically said follow me, do as I do. Give your wealth to poor, so no poor is left in a Christian country. You think people follow?
Luke 18:25 that "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" (Jesus and the rich young man).
They are talking about how people have manipulated the message.
@@kashkash9244 May God have mercy on you spilling a lot of anti-Christ material. I shall not be drawn into any further exchange with you. It is very clear you have been empowered by Satan. So, get thee gone from me. God have mercy on your soul.
11:37 I’m surprised Mr Ehrman has never pointed out that “I am” doesn’t work in Hebrew or Aramaic, only Greek and very few people in the Galilee spoke Greek
the romans spoke Greek because Greek was the lingua franca of the roman empire supposedly but nothing can be known of the past. There is simply no way of knowing who spoke what when and where nor how many. You may guess and believe but not know - directly immediately personally experience anything about the past, because the past cannot be verified.
What is called history is and can only possibly be, belief, supposition or guesswork because the past cannot be directly immediate personally experienced or known, and that only leaves belief.
@@vhawk1951kl thanks for your comment. I disagree that history is simply belief. What I quoted is directly from a well known and respected historian. The not working part is a fact, the Tetragrammaton does not mean I am. Neither Hebrew nor Aramaic have a present tense being verb. I agree with Mr Ehrman though, Jesus never said it. It was added in Greek to his sayings much later. John’s writing is circa 100 CE
@@theunapologeticjew Belief is belief is belief whether it is is the belief of an historian or your or my belief or shit is shit and there is no non-shit shit, or slightly less shitty shit. There is simply no way of knowing what language whoever is being called Jesus spoke.
Almost everything about whoever he was is third fourth fifth etc hearsay, and self evidently if Christianity was ever a living tradition it has now died out as such, or if I am wrong about that, it is being kept a very closely guarded secret.
It occurs to me that what matters is whatever it was that he taught, not the language in which he taught, about which I have to confess I am more than a little hazy, but I would bet he tried to avoid the god word for obvious reasons.
Almighty God said: Ehyeh asher ehyeh (Hebrew); ho on (in Greek).
Jesus Christ said: Ego eimi (in Greek).
Ho on is not ego eimi.
How can "ho ōn" even be confused with “ego eimi” on Greek?
I believe that Jesus is not claiming to be God, he is claiming to be the Christ or Messiah.
@@forgivenessseeker2023 my Greek is not so good. So you are saying that even in Greek there is a difference between the verbs? Would not have Greek speakers known this? Why is the “I am” utterance in John taken as gospel then?
Jesus would have spoken Aramaic. My historian states very little Greek in the Galilee
Ehrman does think through this a lot (I didn't realize that the major instances of Jesus explicitly saying "I'm God" are all (or most) in John for example). However, there is one thing he talks about here that I don't agree with his logic: forgiving the paralytic's sins.
When Ehrman is explaining the story, at 8:42, he states that Jesus's enemies are the ones that point out "Only God can forgive sin." Ehrman and then Alex use this later when they bring up John 20:23 when Jesus says "if you forgive then they are forgiven." This story helps their point because they say that priests would say "your sins were forgiven" too, and they were not claiming to be God. Therefore, Jesus is only saying he has more authority than the Pharisees.
As it stands, I don't find anything wrong with that argument (I think it's pretty compelling actually). However, there is a detail in that story that both of them leave out: the Pharisees never said "Only God can forgive sin." If you look up the story in all the synoptic gospels (Matthew 9:1-8, Mark 2:1-12, and Luke 5:17-26), they all word this as not something the Pharisees were saying, but something that they were thinking internally. It's something we only know about because the gospels claim that Jesus knew their internal thoughts, and they don't record him telling the crowd what the Pharisees were thinking (Jesus not telling everything to the crowd isn't out of character for him either since the gospels are filled with stories of him explaining stuff to just the disciples after he preached, which leads me to conclude that this detail was something that Jesus explained afterwards to the disciples). If that was the line of thinking of his accusers that led him to do the miracle that shows his authority, I would expect Jesus to make some sort of correction to their logic if they were incorrect; which is absent in the story. If their thought was referring to authority given to priests as representatives of God himself forgiving sin, wouldn't a more direct thought be something along the lines of "doesn't this guy know only people given authority by God can forgive sin?" and not "doesn't this guy know only God himself can forgive sin." This dichotomy, just like with the famous "before Abraham was, I AM", story leads me to think that the Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus was trying to communicate when he told the man "Your sins are forgiven"; that he was in fact God himself, not only just someone with more authority than the Pharisees.
To sum it up, to conclude that that story is not Jesus making a claim to divinity is an interpretation that is not supported by the story itself (and, if I may add, Jesus's statement of giving the disciples authority is found in John, the book that Ehrman argues is not reliable to learn about Jesus; I only see room for doubt of the interpretation that its a story of Jesus's claim to divinity if you use that saying in John, but according to Ehrman, we can't use that book).
This is quite compelling, but couldn't one just say that the Pharisees were wrong about who could or couldn't forgive sins?
@@VictorMainaKinuthia That's certainly possible, but one would have to look elsewhere to make that claim that the Pharisees were wrong. If you were to use the rest of the Bible to make that claim, I would argue that the rest of it would support their thought, that only God can forgive sins. At least from the internal source of the religion itself, there is nothing to disprove their thought, but instead, agrees with their sentiment.
I'll even go one step further; lets go with the option that Matthew, Mark, and Luke were in fact made up; which means that that authors' are creating Jesus and using stories to describe who this made-up person was supposed to be. This still doesn't change what the most obvious (or at least what I argued above) interpretation would be; it's a story that claims his divinity. If they had free-reign to write whatever they wanted (because we are assuming it's a fictional story) and the point of the story was just to show that Jesus had more authority than the Pharisees without also being God, I would argue it would make more sense to write that the Pharisees' internal (or even something they said out-loud since that probably seems more believable if they were trying to create a lie, at least to me) thought was focused on their authority to forgive sins (or what kind of people were given that authority by God) rather God's authority itself. The fact that the story not only has Jesus not correct or challenge their belief that only God can forgive sins but that these writers would have decided to make that the statement that the Pharisees were thinking of in the first place still leads me to believe that their intention of the story was to show that Jesus was making a claim of divinity. Basically, I'm saying that if this was made up or not, the interpretation that aligns most with the story as it is written is a claim to divinity. (P.S. I know this wasn't necessarily what you were asking/saying, but your question got me thinking more, and I wanted to share)
@@jesusbrickfreaklego9388 You make a good point, but we can still support this claim using the content from the Bible. If we're taking Jesus' lack of correction as a metric, we need to remember that the same story is retold in Matthew 9. In verse 8, the crowd is recorded as saying that the authority to forgive sins has been given to human beings.
"When the crowds saw it, they were filled with awe, and they glorified God, who had given such authority to human beings." Matthew 9:8 (NRSVUE)
By your logic, Jesus' lack of correction for the crowd implies that God isn't the only one who can forgive sins, but He has also granted that authority to mankind including "The Son of Man".
Ehrman contradicts himself left, right and centre. Only chooses those parts of the New Testament which he thinks support his views and dismisses the rest, conveniently.
I would argue that there's an important difference between being divine (in the sense of being above man) and being the same entity essentially as God
How do you interpret
John 10:30
"I and my Father are one."
Meaning they are both god.
@@explorer7694 how?
He's arguing before John Jesus didn't say he was god so you can't use quotes from John
he is arguing that 6 sources before him didnt mention that jesus was god and then 7 th mentions, look at the begining of the video for explanation
I mean...with so many quotes of Jesus saying He is God how can some people keep on arguing this? Ex John 14: 6-11
""Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves. John 14: 6-11
The Qur'an says the purpose of our existence is to worship God.
Qur'an 20:14
‘It is truly I. I am Allah! There is no god except Me. So worship Me ˹alone˺, and establish prayer for My remembrance.
Qur'an 21:25
We (Royal we for God) never sent a messenger before you ˹O Muhammad’ without revealing to him: “There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Me, so worship Me ˹alone˺.”
Quran 21: 92
“Verily, this is your nation, one believing nation, and I am your Lord so worship Me.”
Qur'an 51:56 I did not create the Jinns and the humans except to worship Me alone.
People has the freewill to worship God by being righteous but can you see how simple and direct the answer from the Qur'an especially when the almighty Allah (SWT) directly mentioned I AM ALLAH! WORSHIP ME ALONE. Let's be honest, Jesus Never Claimed to be God and NONE in the any Bible he said, I am God, Worship me.
Interestingly, in the Bible, especially Old Testament, God/The Heavenly Father is direct in introducing himself as the Creator of everything, The one true God, besides whom there none. The one and only God. Pure monotheism, almost identical to how He says it in the Quran.
This is why the Judaism have no issues at all agreeing with the concept of God in Islam.
For the Christianity, it’s a bit complicated, mainly because of the non-biblical doctrine of the trinity, which was developed (i.e. made up) by the Roman Catholic Church in the famous Council of Nicaea in the year 325. In this meeting, Jesus was literally “voted” to be recognized as God equal to the Heavenly Father, regardless of the clear statements made by Jesus that, The Father is the only True God, and Jesus clear statements that The Father is greater that all including Jesus himself.
The trinity is a self-inflected wound, done by the Roman Catholic Church and it has changed mainstream Christianity from the monotheism preached by all ancient prophets of God to pagan-like Trinitarians. After the council, Christians who refused the trinity were mercilessly systematically eliminated one by one.
I’m new to this channel, so I don’t know where else it’s been discussed, but there’s an interesting discussion here about words that mean God, are related to God, or have been interpreted as meaning God. Where can I find your thoughts on ‘Son of Man’ - 'Ben Adam' - how it’s interpreted by scholars now, what it means in modern Hebrew, and what the equivalent term may have meant in first century Aramaic?
Ben Adam means Son of Adam the first man created so Jesus is not part of that so is not the Son of Adam that's the miracle of his creation but his creation was just like Adam and everything and everyone else with the word Be and it's, the problem some people have is they take the scriptures literally like God created the world in 6 days and created Adam from clay, people ignore reality within themselves they don't know that the body is part of them it's not them in reality, the body is like a machine someone uses to get by it can come in perfect order or damaged but still function also it can get damaged and mended
"Son of Man" comes from Daniel 7:13-14 and refers to God coming to earth as a man. And we read in Mark 14:61-64 English Standard Version >> 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” 63 And the high priest tore his garments and said, “What further witnesses do we need? 64 You have heard his blasphemy. What is your decision?” And they all condemned him as deserving death.
@@johnzuma4688 It's so strange you can't see what you are saying, First there was no priest at that time, second you said the Son of the Blessed, Who do you mean by the Blessed? Are you saying someone Blessed God? How does he see the son of man seated? who's the man? Are you saying God is a man? How they condemned God to death? can God die? the Jew at that time and still now associates the Messiah with the king of the Jews, the anointed one, it has nothing to do with the son of God
They say people who live in glass houses should not throw stones,
In Arabic there is a term called “bani Adam” or “son of Adam” which refers to humanity since both Muslims and Christian’s believe that we are descendant so of Adam peace be upon him. So yeah if someone is referred to as son of Adam or man then they are human
@@MrManny075 You are a bit confused or are you truly so ignorant that you do not know that there was a Jewish high priest at the time of Jesus??? And it is not me who says >> “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
"You come to the Father through me" -Jesus
What does that mean to you?
For me, that it's when you need to have religion based on the Bible, so can come to the father throughout me, so you can be saved. And remember he didn't fully said the entire verse lol
Each prophets on them time they r the way to God not only Jesus
Moses too nosh Solomon .....
By following his path, that's what a prophet stands for
How has Mark 14vs 63-64 been left out the conversation ?
i hope they talked about that in the full video
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363you are preaching to a wall
@@ozymandias283 Youare not an inanimate ibject but rather a human being made in the image of God
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
Before Ambraham was, I am.
The Greek words, now translated 'I am', were commonplace at the time of writing, and never once used to call-upon or identify the GOD of Israel.
In-fact, and unbeknownst to many, the words now translated 'I am', would not be original translated in English Bible's as 'I am', for many years - but moreso, that it was only recently changed to say that, and in contrast with the original words 'I existed', 'I was', 'I lived', etc.
One of the issues with Christianity is events were interpreted by subsequent humans, like Paul or the gospel writers, and we have way of knowing if they got it right. They did not know Jesus, they did not witness his ministry.
Paul knew the apostles and met them in Jerusalem, Luke was a student of Paul, Mark was a follower of Jesus and Matthew was one of the original 12 apostles. Many knew him and plenty witnessed his ministry
@@herbivoremd2592 No. We have no idea who wrote the Gospels. This is standard modern biblical scholarship. These books were written anonymously, many decades after the facts they describe. The names Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John were affixed sometime late second century. The authors never tell us who they are, and they never tell us their sources. The stories are written in high-level Greek, the followers of Jesus would have uneducated fishermen, ... illiterate, and would have spoken Aramaic. The NT captures a circulating tradition, part oral, part written. How much is fact vs. fiction is unknowable, it is underdetermined. We have limited access to the historical Jesus.
@@herbivoremd2592 You're so deluded.
@@wagsman9999 We have no access to the historical Jesus. It's all fabricated.
@@wagsman9999 Your evidence that they were illiterate and uneducated?
Is no one going to address the fact that it's never mentioned that Jesus rebuked anybody claiming His Lordship?
Lord vs God at that time were very different. Many many people were called lord.
@jgoeg8922 anything about being God in general, is what I mean.
Maybe because they didn't know how to CAPS or SHIFT yet? It's probable
He did, although indirectly:
Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. (Luke 18:19)
My Father is greater than I (John 14:28)
@@vytahLmao no he didn’t, this is such a weak argument
The cannon of Catholicism was laid out by Constantine through the Council of Nycaea in 325 AD. At this time Jesus became a demi-god by concious choice.
His divinity and other amalgamations of existent popular mythology were accreted to his legend in order to make it more popular with the pagan Roman world.
Wrong he was viewed as a Demi God by Arius who was essentially regarded as a heretic .
@@tylerda282 lol, right, not wrong. All modern Christian theology considers Jesus of Nazareth as a quasi-demigod. They just differ in doctrinal obscurities.
The Nicene Creed (codified during the first Council of Nicaea) was adopted in opposition to Arianism, which considered Jesus subordinate to God, but still divine, whereas the Nicene creed and what would become 'mainstream' Christianity saw Jesus as an equal extension of God along with the 'Holy Spirit', thus canonizing the tri-part godhead.
Both still consider Jesus as a demi-god, which was a later invention of early Christianity and most likely an absorption of previous pagan mythology stories such as that of Hercules as son of Zeus.
The idea of Jesus as the son of God made Christianity more palatable to the pagan world, where these demi-god stories were prolific, and it was a conscious choice to canonize this for Jesus in Christianity.
@@joshuaf.3723 Yeah however this belief was rejected by the council . Also the trinitarian belief of the father , son and holy spirit as co equal actually existed before the Nicene Creed as documented by Origen of Alexandria who stated “Moreover, nothing in the Trinity can be called greater or less, since the fountain of divinity alone contains all things by His word and reason, and by the Spirit of His mouth sanctifies all things which are worthy of sanctification . . . ” . The Canonization took place in 325 but belief of the trinity in its oneness existed before this actual event.
*You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. John 13.13*
John is a liar who associate pagan greeck mythology to Issa .
Jesus is mentioned in The Qoran, please read chapter Meriyam for more understanding. It definitely answer your questions.
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You should bring Richard Carrier on your podcast next.
absolutely!
Agree!
Yikes
That would really lower the quality and credibility of the channel
@@christianaspas why? because you doesnt like what Carrier has shown?
I wish I hadn't thrown away my Bart Ehrman book now.
What bible? The Old Testament, New One? The Enjeel? Or Before Naecea?
THIS is the best crossover ever
Tovia Singer and Bart Ehrman would be the best
@@anonanonanon2868 i think dr william lane craig and bart would be!(today) because i know they had a debate before...
But that has been a while now..since then both dr william and bart have obviously changed a lot of their views in many areas
@@asathelogiclaman637 referring to lane craig I presume??
@@anonanonanon2868 yes
@@asathelogiclaman637 yeahhh I mean the debate was pretty one sided imo. Also watch his debate with Tovia Singer he didn’t do so well. If you want a good representative of the Christian faith with regards to the historicity of Jesus, it probably would be licona or white (both of whom have debated Bart)
Love your work thank you
Sad he is not correct , CZcams ,,, SAM SHAMOURN , you will find out the facts ,
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
From Mark 11: (LSV)
1And when they come near to Jerusalem, to Bethphage, and Bethany, to the Mount of Olives, He sends forth two of His disciples, 2and says to them, “Go away into the village that is in front of you, and immediately, entering into it, you will find a colt tied, on which no one of men has sat, having loosed it, bring [it]: 3and if anyone may say to you, Why do you do this? Say that the LORD has need of it, and immediately He will send it here.” 4
It's fairly obvious isn't it?
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I have indeed. God bless. My comment seeks to show how the argument that Jesus never claimed to be God is stupid, because the new testament shows explicitly that he is. In Titus, it even explicitly says "Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."
@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG Yes
The story of the Lepers Jesus claims to be God and when the devil tempted Him He said Do not tempt the Lord your God
17 So Jesus answered and said, “Were there not ten cleansed? But where are the nine? 18 Were there not any found who returned to give glory to God except this foreigner?” 19 And He said to him, “Arise, go your way. Your faith has made you well.”
10:02 the priests aren't the ones forgiving sins, God implemented the sacrificial law so it would stand that he is the one forgiving sins and the priests are simply communicating what God has laid out in the law.
From the very first words of Mark's gospel, Jesus is portrayed as God. Mark, which Ehrman accepts is likely the earliest Gospel, appropriates verses from 2 Old Testament prophets which referred to God/Yahweh and applies them directly to Jesus. Funny that.
@PC-vg8vn Just to reiterate Ehrman’s point in reply to your comment here that “Jesus is portrayed as God” is definitely not the same thing as “Jesus claimed to be God” because in the gospel according to Mark or any of the synoptic gospels, Jesus never does. Alluding to or implying that another person is God is not the same as that person claiming to be God. Even in the gospel according to John where Jesus makes allusions to his being divine he also states in John 10 that “those listening to him are gods “elohim”. So, one could deduce or argue from his statement here is that what Jesus thought or claimed about himself was also true of those around him. 🤔
@benjaminwhitley5679 especially when he himself has stated they were messengers before him and they will be messengers after him, all the religious books have been tampered with by anonymous people
@@benjaminwhitley1986 if it wasn't explicitly clear to their audience that the books they wrote documenting Jesus' ministry and crucifixion are framed all throughout by the context of the old testament, they could have just put words in His mouth if the point was to paint a false image.
@@benjaminwhitley1986in Mark, Jesus claimed to be the Lord of the Sabbath, to the Pharisees he was arguing with about the observance of the Sabbath.
Who’s the Lord of the Sabbath and why?
"He's actually not crucified for calling himself God. His divine claims actually have no relation to any of the crucifixion narratives."
Sorry?
'Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
“I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
The high priest tore his clothes. “Why do we need any more witnesses?” he asked. “You have heard the blasphemy. What do you think?” (Mark 14:61-64)
I'm sure Bart Ehrman knows these verses from Mark's gospel (which he acknowledges is probably the earliest gospel).
What is Jesus saying here? Here's using the self-designation he most often uses for himself and taking it right back to where it comes from - Daniel 7:13-14. The one who (remarkably in the Jewish Scriptures) is described as 'like a son of man' and yet comes as God does (on the clouds of heavens), to whom God gives authority and glory (and God does not give his glory "to another") and who is worshipped (despite God being the only one who is to be worshipped). And Jesus before the high priest not only admits to being 'the Son of the Blessed One' but takes up the language of Daniel which speaks of him being worshipped alongside God. What's the high priest's response? - 'You have heard the blasphemy.' The High Priest understands exactly the claim that Jesus is making - and denounces it as blasphemy. It's a claim to divinity and that's exactly how it's understood by the listeners. (And it's there in very similar terms in both Matthew and Luke - with the same reaction from the Jewish leaders). Now, Bart Erhman IS right that the charge that Pontius Pilate is considering it that Jesus is the King of the Jews. It's there in all three synoptics but made most explicit in Luke - who records what the Jews say when they take Jesus to Pilate: "We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Messiah, a king." (LUke 23:2). Why's that? Because Pilate won't care about their Jewish scruples about blasphemy, but he will care if someone is setting himself up as a king in opposition to Caesar - that's what will get you killed under a Roman governor (and the Jews know it!). That's why the Jews play the system and change the charge from blasphemy to sedition. That's what will get you crucified.
Actually, Bart Ehrman is wrong again saying that Pilate kills him for claiming to be king of the Jews (though he is right in saying that's a political claim). PIlate can see through it all - all four gospels tell us the same thing: that Pilate can see Jesus' innocence and doesn't consider him guilty of any crime. He knows the Jews have handed Jesus over because of envy, but eventually caves in to the crowd. (It may well be that his own political situation was precarious at this time due to the political situation in Rome with his supporter Sejanus having recently fallen out of favour with Tiberius - and he therefore wanted to avoid open conflict with the Jews.).
So it was precisely Jesus' claim to be God that got him killed. Bart also doesn't really seem to have fully addressed the fact that in Mark 2 the religious leaders DO clearly see Jesus' claims as blasphemous - and Jesus doesn't tell them, 'no, no - I wasn't really claiming to be God there' Just the opposite in fact. Oh, and Mark also tells us in the same narrative, "Jesus knew in his spirit that this was what they were thinking in their hearts." And what would Mark, a good Jew, know? "Yahweh knows the thoughts of man." (Psalm 94:11) Oh, and a couple of chapters later, Mark records Jesus calming a storm with his words. And his disciples (in the boat with him at the time): "They were terrified and asked each other, 'Who is this? Even the wind and the waves obey him!" (4:41) - Actually, they know who stills storms - Yahweh again (Psalm 107:29). I could go on (has power over death, calls himself Lord of the Sabbath, creates matter, is called 'my Son' by a voice from heaven, calls himself the son of the vineyard owner (ie God) - and this is all in Mark's gospel, not John's).
You know this because you read it in a book? Really?
@@landonbarretto4933 Just commenting on the book that Bart Ehrman is commenting on... And don't we only tend to know ANYTHING about history because people have made records? I'm sure most of the exams that most of us have taken have been on stuff that we've read in books. I'd love to understand more about what point you're making.
@@landonbarretto4933 yes...the exact same book that Bart read
Bart is essentially referring that this is just one giant misunderstanding running for 2,000 years.
My own common sense finds this highly unlikely.
If Jesus didn't even implicitly claim to be God, then the New Testament would read much more like Life of Brian.
@@nichobee Exactly. This would have either been the one of the greatest misunderstandings or the greatest conspiracies in human history, one that has managed to keep going despite many of its earliest proponents being put to death for doggedly adhering to it. I just don't think Bart Ehrman's claim is credible when you consider all the texts. The idea that Mark's gospel (as the earliest) didn't really claim that Jesus was God and that these were legends or embellishments that somehow suddenly evolved in the small number of decades before the gospel of John (with its more overt claims to divinity) seems sligtly ridiculous when you consider that Mark's gospel points to Jesus being the son of God... in the first verse. I suppose that Prof Ehrman will claim that's really not a claim to divinity, but it's funny that the religious leaders of Jesus' day seemed to know with great clarity that Jesus was making claims to divinity... in the second chapter of Mark. And then just a couple of chapters on, Jesus is demonstrating the sort of power over nature that the Jewish Scriptures spoke of as being the power that was wielded by God himself. (I could go on...!!)
Why doesn't the mainstream ever talk about the ancient text, the ones written in clay , the ones that have stories, stories similar to the bible, the ones 2000 years and older before the time of Jesus that recount similar stories, that are apparent were just copied through the ages and eventually ended up in the bible with their own twist?
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Well in Philippians 2 vs 6, Paul does mention that Jesus is God and even equates him to God the Father.
_'who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped'_ - Phil 2.6
Paul was imposter. He made up whole bible
That is interesting. That seems like one of those talking points us atheist types would know about and argue but I've never heard it before. Not until John. That's significant. John used language that modern evangelicals are very comfortable with. That's why they tell you to start with John and print up little pamphlets of the book of John. John has none of those little uncomfortable passages that would make a skeptic go "WTF?!?!". "Let us make man in OUR image." or "Iron chariots." etc.
How about Mark 1 calling Jesus God?
@@hubertagamasu6283 What? So, you're saying Bart Ehrman is wrong and in Mark Jesus says he's God? I don't really know what you're saying.
@@hubertagamasu6283 The "Son of God" is only in later Manuscripts, not earlier. It is a later addition. More modern translations even point this out. Mark 1 doesn't call Jesus as God anywhere regardless, as even Son of God is more of a title that isn't exclusive to Jesus.
@@Arexion5293 I'm not sure I spoke about "Son of God" in my article but "Son of Man". Please, read my article well.
@@hubertagamasu6283 Son of Man is irrelevant to the claim of being a god. It is not a title with such a meaning back when these oral traditions existed. So only "Son of God" would be somewhat related, but even that is more of a role bestowed upon an earthly representative of god like King David was once.
"I am what I am, and that's all that I am." -- Popeye the Sailor Man. Was Popeye claiming to be god?
Yes
Look at those arms dude...
😂😂😂
Are you claiming to be an adult?
No, I rather thought not
@@vhawk1951kl I merely claim that I am what I am, and that's all that I am.
*Excuse me. If you say: **_"All authority in heaven and on the earth has been given to Me"_** (Matt 28:12) What role has been given you?*
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
By Whom.. By God
@@galloshanker1392 Can God authorize someone else to be God ?
@@galloshanker1392 People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
And always stated he was sent by the Father to do the Father's will. He even stated the the Father who sent him is greater than him so I don't understand how people think he is equal to the Father when he himself said the Father is greater than him who is sent.
JOHN 3:16-20 (READ IT ALL)
. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
“The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God [g]is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
What’s your point you can believe in Jesus, follow his teachings and still not think he is a God but a messiah.
@@nad0862 Nah if you don't believe He us God you will go to hell for your sins
John 3: 18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
It’s so funny cause your response just made my point thanks, just reread what you wrote !! If you believe in him you are saved it’s not written He who believes he is the son of God . Sons of God and children of God are all over the Bible, that does not mean they are literally his children ( and apparently you are not one of them with your foul mouth and ways (« Blessed are the peacemakers for they’ll be called children of God ») m. Lastly you don’t get to say who goes to Hell or not, who do you think you are to claim that, it’s pure blasphemy only God gets to decide.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 John 3:16 is a fabrication and interpolation
This video starts with the exact words that the Almighty uses to describe himself - I AM. And Jesus uses these words to that effect throughout the Gospels. Google - I AM statements of Jesus. And also "before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:48-59).
You pull that from John? Can you by any chance see the problem with that?
@@Philitron128 I'm not a protestant or an atheist, so no. I don't.
watch 'Bart Ehrman Calmly DEBUNKED With Scripture & Logic'
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Bart’s Jesus be pulling the ol’ “I’m not saying I’m God, but have you ever seen God and Me in the same room together?”
Within the synoptic’s Jesus regularly was accused of claiming to be God without refuting his accusers. He did actions not only the fulfill messianic prophecies (as Matthew is keen at pointing out) but also actions only God can do (forgiving Sins, making new commandments, removing old commandments, declaring Himself to be the Temple aka God presence with His people. He is called Emmanuel (God with us). He is worshipped without rebuking the worshipper in contrast to Angels or prophets would do not receive worship and rebuke those who attempt to worship them.
The case is so robust that to deny the Gospels implications of Jesus’s deity is like winning on a technicality.
I could never figure out why people think anyone who is reasonable thinking would call themselves a god.
Obviously if anybody did believe they were a god they would have to be cautious.
Especially if they're going to say it out loud.
people would consider it blasphemy.
People would pick stones and be ready to kill him in that period of history.
I believe some people would consider it to be justified by God in modern times,
I have heard some Christian talking about how people could be stoned to death for blasphemy.
that's one of the reasons I have always thought about it and asked why would he do that, but no one had a good answer or silenced me as a child.
I didn't doubt that God exist when I was growing up because I was forced to believe otherwise I would receive a beating,
We were slaves at their command.
Why would anybody think that is a decent way of treating any human?
Does that not sound like indoctrination, I think it's very similar.
what do you think?
Buddy your trauma is really obscuring your thought process here
@@JP-sm4cs how?
@@johnrangi4830you really aren't thinking straight, maybe due to pasy experience or so, but I you suggesting we throw away all records of early fathers of the church and even the testimony of roman officials that weren't even Christians too just to buy what you're selling
@@jacobalexander4167 I think there is nothing wrong with my critical thinking thank you.
I noticed you are busy trying to hunt for excuses.
Here's an idea don't pretend you know something about a person when you don't.
My state of mind is my business and you don't have access to it so don't pretend you know anything because obviously you can't read someone else's mind.
@@jacobalexander4167 perhaps you should stop relying on church fathers and worry about if there is any truth to what the Bible says in the first place.
There is no point agreeing with a bunch of humans until evidence can be provided.
No evidence no reason to believe.
No the premise was he was an Enlightened being as a Son of god.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Now solve how many angels can dance on the head of a pin!
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
I always figured Gospel of John has more in common with Book of Revelations than anything else.
While the first 3 are a strict recounting, John/Revelations are a self-contained thesis of a specific author. Bearing in mind that John begins with creation itself and then jumps straight to Jesus' baptism as an adult, it's not another piece of a puzzle, but a sprawling recontextualization of and commentary on everything that came before.
John wrote both. Catholics believe the Church leaders chose to include those books in their Bible due to divine guidance at the Council of Rome in the 4th century
What!
What makes you think John is referring to the Genesis creation?
@@cc3775 I mean "In the beginning, there was the word. And the word was with Christ. And the word was Christ." That unlike the other Gospels skips the Nativity entirely to focus on Jesus' timeless existence and the many prophecies about him, instead going to John the Baptist saying he's _not_ the Messiah as people were already waiting for one and thought it might be him.
All the other Gospels are a more straightforward recounting of Jesus' lifetime; John goes out of its way to only talk about his spiritual nature and significance in a cohesive thesis while skipping some basic events.
@@samwallaceart288 in the beginning of what? Why do you infer the Genesis creation? Why not the beginning of the ministry of Jesus?
People here saying that Jesus did claim himself to be god and start throwing verses, they’re definitely not listening to what Bart is explaining Xd
I listened to what he was saying. I like seeing a different angle of things. I think it helps broaden prospective which I am always open to. But it is however wrong to say Jesus did not claim to be God. Because all he did showed His authority as God. And he quoted several times referring himself as the savior of the world which sins wrath would be poured on so that man could escape the punishment of the law of SIN & DEATH. From the beginning of the history of the world til now God's glory has been displayed, all things pointing to Christ. Even this video and you and I in this moment.
@@PerfectByClipand you know all this because? Oh, you read a very old book. Okay
@artsbyoba like the rising sun, I see it therefore I see everything else.
@@PerfectByClipmy friend, you are in fact missing the point, the belief of the majority of scholars is that the Historical Jesus did not claim to be god or divine, directly, but that the gospels represent a highly edited, skewed interpolation of some things he said
@@pureruckuspower2165 if you really believe this, you're just arrogant. Common dude, you're just a guy. There are billions of other guys. You're not special. And there's nothing wrong with admitting it. It is rather humbling
The only Jesus quote I'm aware of is, "I and the Father are one." Well, when I'm having a wonderful stroll through the woods, I feel a oneness with nature, but that doesn't make me a tree.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
That part about the anti-preistly polemic would line up with the idea of jesus being a pharisee himself.
Matt 16: 16-17 ... remember He has never denied when He was called God
Jesus claimed to be God:
John 10:33
“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.“
Paul created Christianity in 48 AD and he stated that Jesus is God:
Philippians 2:5-6
“You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.”
John 1:18
"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God."
John 20:28
Thomas declared, “My Lord and my God”. Jesus does not correct him.
Titus 2:13
"...the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ."
2 Peter 1:1
"...by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ."
John 10:30
"I and the Father are one."
John 8:58
"I tell you the truth … before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 1:1, 14
"The Word [Jesus] was God” and “the Word became flesh".
Several times in Scripture Jesus receives worship (Matthew 2:11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38).
He never rebukes people for worshiping him.
He always knew who He was...there's 4 gospels all different in their own way, draw it from that context..
all these titles he was given and never denied them once... See what these titles reference in the OT what they mean...Son of man, Son of God, King of the jews... question you should be asking is not whether Jesus claimed to be God but why He came in the flesh...
and when you say that the jews of the time were sceptical of him of course they were.. that is why the gospels were written..
I guess you also need to understand who God is and the trinity...UNDERSTAND. Why He came in the flesh. Understand why they called Him blasphemer. Understand why the pharisees were angry with him when he said He forgives sins and wanted to arrest him. Understand why He was forced to leave early after He healed him. UNDERSTAND why they crucified him. when his disciples called him God, he never denied it. He knew who He was.
UNDERSTAND the full context...
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@@jasonmwaniki159
_"....there's 4 gospels all different in their own way..."_
None of the Gospel authors witnessed Jesus.
I've heard a lot about Bart Ehrman but this is the first time I've heard him speak at length. He seems like a good-natured, funny guy - and very knowledgeable.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
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@@user-ug2hk3go6i Jesus is reaching out to you man using me
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 k now answer why God loves you
@@user-ug2hk3go6i God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.